Kevin Spacey...WTF?!

eagle eye · 25-12-2018 6:21pm

Augme wrote:

So do you think the mutplie people who have accused him are all lying about it? For what purpose? Money? Attention?

In this day and age with social media it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world if a group of Kevin Spacey haters got together to make it look bad for him.
Not saying that is the case just that it's entirely possible.

Potential-Monke · 25-12-2018 6:47pm

Pac1Man wrote: »

2019 is Kevin's comeback season.

Come on Kevin!

Bad choice of wording... :pac:

Augme wrote: »

So do you think the mutplie people who have accused him are all lying about it? For what purpose? Money? Attention?

Never said that. They may be lying. They may also be telling the truth. This is what the courts system is for. Innocent until proven guilty. That's the same for everyone, regardless of who they are or what they did. Half the population who care have already convicted him, and that's dangerous. The other half are not necessarily defending him, most are probably waiting to see the legal outcome based on facts judged by peers. That's what i'm doing. That's what the majority of people on here not instantly hating him are probably waiting for.

If they are lying, like above, most likely for the money. You can get crazy money these days for nearly anything, and when a celebrity is involved the amount sky-rockets. Most probably get a payout to say nothing, mostly like sometimes because it's hush money, sometimes it's cheaper than going through the courts, and sometimes because even an allegation can ruin a career, even if they're guilty.

Have a look at this article, written like Hollywoods Nicest Keanu Reeves deliberately knocked over a paparazzi and made him fear that he would die (yes, the article bolded the word die). Reading that, some would perceive Keanu to be a lunatic, a danger, crazy, possibly on drugs. Turns out it was all false. Took 4 years, but many people had considered him something he was not because of it. Kevin Spacey seems to have a lot more evidence against him, and for something way more serious, but I'll believe it once it has gone through a proper and thorough investigation, hearing and judgement.

Muscles Schultz · 25-12-2018 6:50pm

Has Al Porter commented ?

Billy86 · 25-12-2018 7:30pm

Augme wrote: »

So do you think the mutplie people who have accused him are all lying about it? For what purpose? Money? Attention?

I don't think they are, but even if he did it I think he deserves due process as does anyone (even if you kill someone... was it manslaughter, self defense or murder - and which degree. The details should always be ironed out).

But guilty or innocent, his idea here was disgusting and reeks of strong mental illness/delusions of grandeur. As did his absurd "did you know I'm gay?" bit last year.

bnt · 25-12-2018 8:02pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well imo it's what an innocent person would do. The guilty guy usually takes the advice of counsel and keeps very quiet.

Good news, Kevin: it's working! :cool:

s7ryf3925pivug · 25-12-2018 9:40pm

Rape has fallen out of fashion though. Just a couple of years ago Natalie Portman was saying how Roman Polanski has suffered enough and she was delighted to work with him. Now she is being cheered on as she rants about getting no sleep since Kavanagh was appointed to the supreme court.

PuppyMcPupFace · 25-12-2018 9:43pm

I'm a huge fan of Spacey's work, and I am actually glad to see the charge made.

Now he can face his accusers, be found not guilty and only the nonsense from the "twitterverse" will remain.

Sadly though I fear in the current witch hunt climate he'll never work again.

judeboy101 · 25-12-2018 9:44pm

Hollywood will forgive anything except saying anything against jews. Isn't that right, Mel.

Augme · 25-12-2018 9:59pm

eagle eye wrote: »

In this day and age with social media it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world if a group of Kevin Spacey haters got together to make it look bad for him.
Not saying that is the case just that it's entirely possible.

So when has this happened before?

DellyBelly · 25-12-2018 10:01pm

I really hope he makes it back. The last season of the house of cards was crap without him. Guy is a great actor. Have a feeling there are a few people trying to make a few dollars of him by spreading awful stories about him.

Paddy Cow · 25-12-2018 10:04pm

Even his "apology" last year was WTF?

I have a lot of respect and admiration for Anthony Rapp as an actor. I’m beyond horrified to hear this story. I honestly do not remember the encounter, it would have been over 30 years ago. But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour, and I am sorry for the feelings he describes having carried with him all these years.

This story has encouraged me to address other things about my life. I know that there are stories out there about me and that some have been fuelled by the fact that I have been so protective of my privacy. As those closest to me know, in my life I have had relationships with both men and women. I have loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose now to live as a gay man. I want to deal with this honestly and openly and that starts with examining my own behaviour.

- Kevin Spacey

The arrogance of the man thinking he could brush off sexual assault as drunken behaviour and then try to distract everyone by announcing he is gay. He's living in cloud cuckoo land.

batgoat · 25-12-2018 10:04pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

I really hope he makes it back. The last season of the house of cards was crap without him. Guy is a great actor. Have a feeling there are a few people trying to make a few dollars of him by spreading awful stories about him.

Thing is with the last allegation in relation to the teen. His denial consisted of not remembering it rather than it not happening. He also apologised for it. Plus had similar onset allegations if I recall correctly.

Paddy Cow · 25-12-2018 10:09pm

batgoat wrote: »

Thing is with the last allegation in relation to the teen. His denial consisted of not remembering it rather than it not happening. He also apologised for it. Plus had similar onset allegations if I recall correctly.

His apology was PR damage control whataboutery. He even says in it there are stories about him. He knew others were going to come forward. Absolute creep.

PuppyMcPupFace · 25-12-2018 10:39pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Even his "apology" last year was WTF?

The arrogance of the man thinking he could brush off sexual assault as drunken behaviour and then try to distract everyone by announcing he is gay. He's living in cloud cuckoo land.

I'm 50 and if someone said I'd groped someone when pissed 20 plus years ago i doubt I'd remember.

Augme · 25-12-2018 11:07pm

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

I'm 50 and if someone said I'd groped someone when pissed 20 plus years ago i doubt I'd remember.

Good to know you think you'd be capable of gropping someone though. Classy.

PuppyMcPupFace · 26-12-2018 12:37am

Augme wrote: »

Good to know you think you'd be capable of gropping someone though. Classy.

Ah sure who hasn't dropped the hand now and then ?

Billy86 · 26-12-2018 2:11am

judeboy101 wrote: »

Hollywood will forgive anything except saying anything against jews. Isn't that right, Mel.

The same Mel Gibson that was nominated for a best director Oscar on a movie that had 6 nominations, 2 wins and made 175mn just last year? He was ostracized for sure, but a good director is a good director is a good director.

MarkHenderson · 26-12-2018 11:26am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Even his "apology" last year was WTF?

The arrogance of the man thinking he could brush off sexual assault as drunken behaviour and then try to distract everyone by announcing he is gay. He's living in cloud cuckoo land.

He's an absolute creep. I hope he serious time but i seriously doubt it.

PuppyMcPupFace · 26-12-2018 12:08pm

MarkHenderson wrote: »

He's an absolute creep. I hope he serious time but i seriously doubt it.

Ah yes, can you quote the penal code where "absolute creep" is listed and what the penalties under law are ?

Mint Sauce · 26-12-2018 12:21pm

I thought Spacy was a great actor, long before HoC, and even his performances in that was top notch. Yes S6 is crap without him, but based on current allegations, I could not bring my self to watch him in it, or any of his films again to date.

That video, I just found chilling, disturbing, a mockery of the whole thing, and disrespectful to his alledged victims. I would have much rather he appeared as him self, on the court steps, and said he would fight these allegations, and clear his name.

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 12:25pm

So if somebody is accused for something whether guilty or not you would be against them working?

FrancieBrady · 26-12-2018 12:28pm

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I thought Spacy was a great actor, long before HoC, and even his performances in that was top notch. Yes S6 is crap without him, but based on current allegations, I could not bring my self to watch him in it, or any of his films again to date.

That video, I just found chilling, disturbing, a mockery of the whole thing, and disrespectful to his alledged victims. I would have much rather he appeared as him self, on the court steps, and said he would fight these allegations, and clear his name.

The gloves were always going to come off on this modern phenomenon of destroying someone on the basis of allegations.
All over this site we see it, where someone is lampooned, ridiculed or more seriously, defamed on the basis of unproven/untested allegations.

In Spacey's case the punishment has been the complete loss of not only his reputation but his career.
I have no idea if he is guilty or not, but I regard it as a total infringement of basic human rights, what has happened to him.

Mint Sauce · 26-12-2018 12:45pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The gloves were always going to come off on this modern phenomenon of destroying someone on the basis of allegations.
All over this site we see it, where someone is lampooned, ridiculed or more seriously, defamed on the basis of unproven/untested allegations.

In Spacey's case the punishment has been the complete loss of not only his reputation but his career.
I have no idea if he is guilty or not, but I regard it as a total infringement of basic human rights, what has happened to him.

This is why I use the term allegation. I don't know if he did what he has been accused off, but it's like any sexual related allegation case, the names of the accused should be protected, as well as the alledged victim. However, I don't think that video, has done anything to help him.

If down road, he is found innocent, I think unfortunately the case will have gone to far for his career to be saved. There will always be that assumption that something untoward happened.

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 1:48pm

Mint Sauce wrote:

If down road, he is found innocent, I think unfortunately the case will have gone to far for his career to be saved. There will always be that assumption that something untoward happened.

Maybe for you but not for me and I'm sure many others would agree with my take.
Kevin Spacey is a magnificent actor and if he is found not guilty then I'm happy to give go the same benefit that a jury did.

Potential-Monke · 26-12-2018 1:50pm

Mint Sauce wrote: »

If down road, he is found innocent, I think unfortunately the case will have gone to far for his career to be saved. There will always be that assumption that something untoward happened.

And that's why me, and many others, have not yet judged him. You cannot take away the fantastic performances he has given over the years, and that won't change regardless of the outcome. While evidence is mounting against him, it's still not an official verdict, but this thread alone will show how many people consider him guilty already.

batgoat · 26-12-2018 3:01pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Maybe for you but not for me and I'm sure many others would agree with my take.
Kevin Spacey is a magnificent actor and if he is found not guilty then I'm happy to give go the same benefit that a jury did.

The first incident that came out, Spacey has never denied. He just said he didn't remember it and apologised. The victim was 14 years old at the time. Fourteen more allegations came after that. His career died after that first allegation and the fact he simply said he didn't remember it is a bit telling tbh.

https://www.ibtimes.com/kevin-spacey-sexual-advances-teenaged-anthony-rapp-was-inappropriate-drunken-behavior-2607825

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 3:49pm

batgoat wrote:

The first incident that came out, Spacey has never denied. He just said he didn't remember it and apologised. The victim was 14 years old at the time. Fourteen more allegations came after that. His career died after that first allegation and the fact he simply said he didn't remember it is a bit telling tbh.

I've got a ridiculous memory according to my friends and even I don't remember some things. My friends don't remember things I remind them of quite often. If I told them they touched up a kid and they didn't remember it are they guilty? If they said it was highly unlikely they would do someting like that but apologised if they did does that make them guilty?

batgoat · 26-12-2018 5:08pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I've got a ridiculous memory according to my friends and even I don't remember some things. My friends don't remember things I remind them of quite often. If I told them they touched up a kid and they didn't remember it are they guilty? If they said it was highly unlikely they would do someting like that but apologised if they did does that make them guilty?

Climbing on top of a 14 year old boy is something that people generally wouldn't forget....

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 6:44pm

batgoat wrote:

Climbing on top of a 14 year old boy is something that people generally wouldn't forget....

Good man, and he doesn't remember it so it may never have happened.

batgoat · 26-12-2018 6:56pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Good man, and he doesn't remember it so it may never have happened.

But saying you can't say for definite that you haven't pinned a fourteen year old to a bed isn't exactly a great reflection. I could ask most people that and they'd definitively say they haven't.

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 8:41pm

batgoat wrote:

But saying you can't say for definite that you haven't pinned a fourteen year old to a bed isn't exactly a great reflection. I could ask most people that and they'd definitively say they haven't.

If you told them they did it when they were drunk what would they say?

s7ryf3925pivug · 26-12-2018 9:56pm

eagle eye wrote: »

If you told them they did it when they were drunk what would they say?

Most people could comfortably say no. Most people don't have that in their mental landscape. If you do have that sort of thing in yours, then maybe you're someone who shouldn't get drunk.

Dante7 · 26-12-2018 10:08pm

There were loads of stories about Spacey when he was in Dublin filming ODC. He was apparently very open, and rampant, despite still being in the closet. I heard firsthand about him following a guy into a toilet cubicle, which is no real Biggie, but I also heard plenty of other stories second hand which were well dodgy.

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 10:17pm

Lovely, stories.
I know he had a partner with him in Dublin.

Dante7 · 26-12-2018 10:34pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Lovely, stories.
I know he had a partner with him in Dublin.

Yes, a lot of stories. And when you hear stories and rumours and innuendo from a lot of different sources you tend to give certain allegations a bit more credence.

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 11:17pm

Dante7 wrote:

Yes, a lot of stories. And when you hear stories and rumours and innuendo from a lot of different sources you tend to give certain allegations a bit more credence.

And where did you hear these stories? Do you realise that a story that he is gay can turn into a story about him pulling his cock out if it goes through three people?

s7ryf3925pivug · 26-12-2018 11:19pm

eagle eye wrote: »

And where did you hear these stories? Do you realise that a story that he is gay can turn into a story about him pulling his cock out if it goes through three people?

if what goes through three people?

eagle eye · 26-12-2018 11:34pm

Alvaro Bewildered Wallaby wrote:

if what goes through three people?

A story.

Stephen Gawking · 27-12-2018 12:59am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Even his "apology" last year was WTF?

I have a lot of respect and admiration for Anthony Rapp as an actor. I’m beyond horrified to hear this story. I honestly do not remember the encounter, it would have been over 30 years ago. But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour, and I am sorry for the feelings he describes having carried with him all these years.

This story has encouraged me to address other things about my life. I know that there are stories out there about me and that some have been fuelled by the fact that I have been so protective of my privacy. As those closest to me know, in my life I have had relationships with both men and women. I have loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose now to live as a gay man. I want to deal with this honestly and openly and that starts with examining my own behaviour.

- Kevin Spacey

The arrogance of the man thinking he could brush off sexual assault as drunken behaviour and then try to distract everyone by announcing he is gay. He's living in cloud cuckoo land.

Alleged sexual assault.

Avatar MIA · 27-12-2018 1:09pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Lovely, stories.
I know he had a partner with him in Dublin.

Kevin, that you?

Loved you in the usual suspects. Not so much as sexual predator suspect.

eagle eye · 27-12-2018 1:22pm

Avatar MIA wrote:

Kevin, that you?

Ha, so funny, if you are a boring person.

Avatar MIA · 27-12-2018 1:35pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Ha, so funny, if you are a boring person.

Hah! I know you are, but what am I?*

* That's about your level.

eagle eye · 27-12-2018 1:41pm

Avatar MIA wrote:

Hah! I know you are, but what am I?*

A child? A boring child?
A person who doesn't believe in due process?

Avatar MIA · 27-12-2018 1:49pm

eagle eye wrote: »

A child? A boring child?
A person who doesn't believe in due process?

From you earlier today :rolleyes:

eagle eye wrote: »

No, jail for anybody telling people they are not allowed to air their views and using media to tell people how to think in the guise of current affairs.

Would you leave your 14 year old son alone with anybody with as much allegations against them as Spacey or would you be okay with leaving your 14 year old son in their care until a jury convicted them? I'm asking to find out if you are a hypocrite or an idiot.

eagle eye · 27-12-2018 2:02pm

Avatar MIA wrote:

From you earlier today

That's just a fun thread.

Avatar MIA wrote:

Would you leave your 14 year old son alone with anybody with as much allegations against them as Spacey or would you be okay with leaving your 14 year old son in their care until a jury convicted them? I'm asking to find out if you are a hypocrite or an idiot.

I wouldn't leave any of my kids alone with a stranger whether he has allegations against him or not.

Avatar MIA · 27-12-2018 2:15pm

eagle eye wrote: »

That's just a fun thread.

I wouldn't leave any of my kids alone with a stranger whether he has allegations against him or not.

This is After Hours, hardly the legal forum.

I didn't say anything about strangers. How about someone you are acquainted with?

eagle eye · 27-12-2018 2:19pm

Avatar MIA wrote:

I didn't say anything about strangers. How about someone you are acquainted with?

Outside of my siblings and my best friend I wouldn't leave my children alone with anybody.

Avatar MIA · 27-12-2018 2:27pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Outside of my siblings and my best friend I wouldn't leave my children alone with anybody.

Unlikely to be true. What about their school teacher for example. You do let it happen.

You're going a long way to avoid the question. But, let's stay with your scenario. Your best friend has a dozen or so allegations of sexual misconduct against them, including against minors. After this information came out, say today, would you let your 14 year old son alone with them?

batgoat · 27-12-2018 2:28pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Unlikely to be true. What about their school teacher for example. You do let it happen.

You're going a long way to avoid the question. But, let's stay with your scenario. Your best friend has a dozen or so allegations of sexual misconduct against them, including against minors. After this information would you let your 14 year old son alone with them?

Let's add on top of that that they say they have no recollection of event and apologise.

eagle eye · 27-12-2018 2:30pm

Avatar MIA wrote:

Unlikely to be true. What about their school teacher for example. You do let it happen.

He would never be left alone in school. If I heard that he was left alone with a teacher there would be problems for that teacher.

Avatar MIA wrote:

You're going a long way to avoid the question. But, let's stay with your scenario. Your best friend has a dozen or so allegations of sexual misconduct against them, including against minors. After this information would you let your 14 year old son alone with them?

I know my best friend very well, he is like a brother. I would be certain that the allegations were false and would have no issue from a trust point of view.

Kevin Spacey...WTF?!

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