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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    ^^^ With age comes wisdom, I suppose. ;) Happy birthday a few days late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Great picture of you on TI's facebook page Peter, complete with sunglasses :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    this is a every day swim week.

    Monday solid long swim as i felt 80 min ( mix of recovery and getting back feeling for the water as not much swimmng last 10 days)


    pm easy 8.5 k run ( i really should not run the day after a race but a mate asked if i wanted to go for a run and so i did )




    tuesday
    am swiming with tango 6x400 s main set one fs i think average 5.35 ( me with neo shorts) alternated padles an neo shorts average 5.25
    good cool done


    pm 40 min bike


    wed 80 min swim 5x 800 steady pace

    pm 25 bike 15k run main set 5.120 k in 18.30 2,56k 9.24
    2.56 k 9.27 didnt think i would feel good but really enjoyed it still a bit of a cough but getting better now.

    thursday
    am usual bike

    pm 80 min turbo 10 x 5 min at sunday race pace 30sec to 1 min rest .
    12k run
    Followed by 2 k swim


    Friday is swimming different session than usual 2x400 in 5,30 of 6
    5 x200 off 3.05 2.42 average 2x400 pull 5.04 and 5.27 5x 100 average 1.14 of 1.45 5 x 50 off 1 average 35.5 .
    i guess today was the first time i could have gone sub 5 for 400 had i really wanted

    next 4 days should see 500 k of cycling with some good intervals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    friday
    pm overall 120 k bike, including 4 hours in park with kypeer pass intervals and dublin city course reps. as planned the thursday turbos session took the sting out of legs and i was suffering doing roleovers with the powerhouse. Spectacular bonk in the 2nd last interval and i was very luck to get some food from niamh and some food and drink from a super kind guy who was listening to our conversation.
    funny i stood on the scales on thursday and had put on 1.5 kg in germany ( i know that and ergo did not touch sacle before the dua nats ;-) and I guess unconsciously had forgotten to have a proper breakfast in the monring after swim.
    anyway all good but the plan was to lose the weight i gained in germany by end of next week.

    sat
    aquathon 1000m pretty close 14 min flat at half IM pace, the guy that let our swam way too slow for first 170 m and luckily just as i was to pass another guy passed and I was able to go nice and handy behind him ,with only 3 sprints when we passed people ( mental note do not do tumble turns the week before you do a pool try as every turn i had to force myslef not to tumble turn)

    apart from no marshall as promised an un uneventful run at just under 3.30 min k pace marshalls were not ready for us and there was 2 guys that did the short race who said we cant turn left as this is a dead end...
    anyway i got an extra 1k at sub 3 .30 pace in and all good
    6 k run cool down
    than 2 k steady swim ( warm up 8 k bike 3 k run 300 swim for race )

    pm the fastest average speed and average power output of the weekend 120 k out just behind brittas bay with bon jovi. brilliant weahter and i got into a grove average speed just under 33k and a 10 min stop after turn around in brittas) the last 30 min were tough but i just loved that spin and the sun.
    after some rest run 9 k 5 k steady 4 k sub 3.35 k pace




    sunday
    am 159 k another good session and i had to do 0 thinking as guide mark lead the session fast stuff with them was a good bit easier than with the powerhouse on friday but good enough to drop me a few times but apart from the intervals it was an steady enough pace.

    pm 45 k recovery and coffee spin to shake legs out
    8 k run ( well would be a bit optimistic to call that a run more and ironman shuffle
    and 2.2 k swim

    monday
    am 10 k steady run

    after the swim session 90 k bike today deco was the guide and again i had not to think. struggled on first howth climb and pretty much was in the hurt box for the rest of the day ( got dropped on last howth climb) 30k average to me felt a good bit harder today
    but what a weather !!!!

    pm swim 4.1 k, while suffering on the bike i was in the right head space today and brought that in to the swim did the same session as the guys this morning that did the full session, plus 200 m, this was the first time ever i swam faster and longer than the guys when on my own
    100 m average 1,14 75s the only one i timed was 54.5 and the 50s were 34 average. 25s were a b.tch

    evenning 15 k warm up on bike 11.5 k run 4 steady 1,5 built , 6 k at 3.55 ish pace 20 k bike cool down

    another solid camp.
    stats for last 5 days
    650 k bike with as much intensity as i possibly could take
    60-2 k run , 10 k sub 3.35 k pace 6 k sub 4 k pace and the rest apart form the ironman shuffle run nice and steady
    swim 15.8 k or so with 8 k quality . a 12month 1k 400 100 50 pb amongst them

    in hours thursday 4.5 friday 6 sat 7 sunday 8 monday 7 32.5 hours in 5 days.
    overall it worked out very well.
    and while i got smashed on friday by the powerhouse, sat hang on to the swimmer , got smashed sunday by mark and johnny and monday by deco and niall I really enjoyed the 5 days and feel i got the quality in that i wanted.
    big thanks to all the guys that made the time pass by quicker .

    It band cant be touched right now otherwise body was holding up well ( at least 1 hour body maintance a day )
    well ... the shoulders were totally in bits after sundays am ride.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    tue
    8 k easy run

    wed
    am 4k total 30x 100 10x off 135 10 x off 1.30 10 x1.35
    not the best session as i wanst really in the mood to push myslef but solid enough and sufficently tired afterwards

    pm run
    25min bike wu and 25bike cd overall run session 20 k
    5,260 18.32 5.260 k 18.27 2.560 9.11 v good weahter condition and a unusual wind , a pleasure to be out there "confi"(legs not breathing) at the pace but 3 seconds a k too slow ( i guess its now 5 or 6 weeks i keep complaining aobut those 3 seconds ;-) but yesterday i was just not fluid enough and ground contact time too long and too much breaking going on ( a little blister part of the issue and stomach far from being confi )
    casio told me she needs 24 hours recovery ;-)


    stayed 10 min longer in bed this morning arrived at work 2 min earlier commuted on schweinstein and it was fun.on why home 10 x kyperpass reps.

    pm easy cycle easy run


    friday
    swim motivation was low this morning so not too much happening apart from 2 decent 400 intervlas and 2 x 200 intervals an steady enough session ( the first time in a long time my arms where tired and i was almost thinking doing kick drills ;-) still body losened up during the swim and i got faster towards the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Friday pm long run 2 hours

    Sat am 3.5 hour bike quite easy and did not really mind a few techniqual issues .

    Pm 8 k run

    Sun am 60 k tt I got messages since Thursday how bad the weather would be , but as tango said with a dry voice .... It can rain on race day....
    When people don't turn up because of the weather in Ireland I get depressed. It was certainly not the best day but with the knowledge that I was almost overheating in ennis and wearing more gear I was sure it would be grand . I struggled to get into a grove as I could not shake of my dissapointment that people dont understand that this why some people complain about bad weather on race day and others don't ( it's part of the game to race in bad weather )
    Anyway first 10 k in 13.38 2nd 10 k 19.01 third 13.31 4th 18.56 5th 13.27 6th 1845 are the rough Casio splits and overal1.37 30
    Roundwood suggarlough circuit
    It was windy and roads were wet but I had some spells of sun and only the last 2 min the rain started I was in the car 9o sec after the tt ( and said to my driver this is one of the few times I am happy to be in a car)
    A good session and I feel Iam very much on track on the bike and I hope that some high end work will get a bit more power I am good at holding speed but struggle to accelerate and times with the wind behind me should have been 30 sec faster


    Pm 10 k run. This time in the sun shine

    Mon am swim
    75 min in the water :) ie not a good session but got some work done. And this week wed and Friday are key sessions I want to hit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    I'm kinda surprised that the (lack of) actions from other people affected your groove Peter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    AKW wrote: »
    I'm kinda surprised that the (lack of) actions from other people affected your groove Peter.

    i have many weaknesses ... It does makes me depressed when i see athletes underachieving and I almost quit coaching because of this last year. I thought i get more relaxed if i train again myself , as i kind of thought because i havent done the performance i want, iam angry and project it on other people, but it hasnt changed.
    When i decided to not quit coaching last year, as i love it in a way, I said i become more relaxed with social atheltes and i think i have improved as many of those people tell me i have become soft ...
    At the same time most of the good coaches i have seen have this behavior even more pronounced, so I also see it as a good thing, too ...

    but yes,for myself, until I really learn to switch off and be totally in the zone when I need to be, i wont be focused enough to do an Ironman to the best of my ability and this is the thing i am working on most right now ( henceforth treadmil runs which i totally hate but are a great tool for me to stay focused ) and in the third lap y 'day i did ok ( better late than never) .

    but yes we could almost say my first 2 laps were junk miles as i could have done better ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Thank you Peter, that is very open of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    mon
    am 60 easy swim

    pm 2 hour run with some .4.10 k pace and other fartlegs



    tue
    pm 1.30 bike , 55 min oly distance intensity.

    wed am
    80 min steady swim

    pm usual bike 21 k run 3 x 5.12k 18,23 18.22 18.15 ( all slight negative split ) really enjoyed the last rep and if i can hold 4 reps in 2 weeks time at that pace i want complain about my run as much .

    thursday usual am bike fast on way out easy on way back

    pm recovery session.

    overall all good


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    friday
    am
    swam without being there tangoand dave ( counting) doing all the work for me. ( out off 6 200s i did 4x250m and 1x150 after tango left )

    run to work and back 10 k

    sat
    new record , i guess , I spend 8 hours in my cycle shorts before i left the house finally at 3 .30 pm ( on the up side i got loads of stuff done )
    3 fast laps in the park and 15en kyperpass reps all in all 3 hours
    10 k run of the bike
    and 1 k swim


    sun
    4 hours bike first 40 min tt pace
    than easy 1 hill rep where i got destroyed by the powerhouse ( and i did not do to badly)
    10 k of the bike

    pm
    run 3 k warm up 30 min at various speeds starting at 3.40 finishing at 3kpace roughly 2.30 on 3o sec off .
    very happy with that session did not really want to do it (stating at 7.45pm ) but hit it much better and running well till 3.07k pace

    this was a tough 8 days but i guess my best intensity 8 days in a long time and still 100 kish (likley 95-6k) running and 360 k ish cycling done sunday to sunday . I know I am on the edge but still on the right side of if , but have to be careful this week.
    had to put down my runners this week as i run trough the hard rubber of it (first time ever i really wanted a pair of runners again and i am ashamed to say its a company i really dislike as they support many dopers and seem to think its fine)

    mon am 80 min swim some good times 5x 100 sub 1.14


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    so we tipped over the edge and rest will be taken for noext 48 hours.

    monday pm long run stopped running after 1.45 h as right ankle did not feel 100 % ( seems fine again so i think the precaution was agood thing as right now i can really only lose and undo a lot of work.


    tue pm brilliant turbo session i worked nicely into it and was very pleased with the result of that 5x30 20 20 4x4

    pm easy bike 30 min

    Wed is swimming didn't feel it abandoned the site after 3 reps did a slight cool down and home and felt worse as day progressed . its a mix of intensive training and being underdressed last sunday on the bike causing this resulting in slight cold . Nothing to worry as I knew i was on the edge and a few days easy will be good and i did get in a good turbo which is the main goal right now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    When do you start in the OW Peter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    still chipping away with light recovery sessions.


    and i guess people that will race tris in May should start to acclimatize for the open water now ( and its quite posible to swim for skinny people in the open water as we see inthe water temp thread and one of the guys is around 10 % bodyfat and spend 10 min in water without a wetsuit already. I am not too bothered myself yet and will wait until healthy.but will have certainly done 6 decent openwater swims before may 17th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    How do you see swimming in cold Irish seas prepares you for warm, fresh water and possibly a non-wetsuit central European race?

    The non-wetsuit is probably less likely for May 17th, but I think for most people following this log who are racing IM, this is the reality for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    zico10 wrote: »
    How do you see swimming in cold Irish seas prepares you for warm, fresh water and possibly a non-wetsuit central European race?

    The non-wetsuit is probably less likely for May 17th, but I think for most people following this log who are racing IM, this is the reality for them.
    2 years ago swim was cancelled in austria as too cold ;-) there is 0 chance of a no wetsuit swim. even barcelon 70.3 has a 0 chance of a no wetsuit swim.
    besides i dodnt think there have a black line and ropes in an open water tri regardless wetsuit or non wetsuit.
    oveall i think ironman mallorca was the only non wetsuit race in europe last year
    i also dodnt think any european race has been non wetsuit twice in a row ( mallorca likley as a very sheltered place and shallow water

    btw 2 open water swims will be at the race venue as i will camp right beside the lake ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Of course no black lines or ropes makes swimming OW entirely different to pool swimming. That's one reason to start open water swimming, but you were talking about acclimatisation a few posts back. I agree if racing in Ireland in May, then it would be a good idea to be swimming OW sooner rather than later.
    But I'm guessing many people following your log, with intentions of doing an IM, are thinking of European races. Whether wetsuit or non-wetsuit, the water at these races will still be a lot warmer than the water in Ireland.
    I'm just curious, do you see it as important to get used to swimming in cold water if your A-goal for the year is IM Austria, Nice, Frankfurt, etc.?
    Someone who was racing Roth last year said why would he need to freeze his balls off in Seapoint in May, when it was going to be nothing like the conditions he'd have to deal with in Germany. He had a point surely? There's better uses of your time than driving for one hour to go for a 10 minute dip in The Irish Sea, take 20 minutes to get dressed again and then another 20 to warm up again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Mr Tango


    zico10 wrote: »
    Of course no black lines or ropes makes swimming OW entirely different to pool swimming. That's one reason to start open water swimming, but you were talking about acclimatisation a few posts back. I agree if racing in Ireland in May, then it would be a good idea to be swimming OW sooner rather than later.
    But I'm guessing many people following your log, with intentions of doing an IM, are thinking of European races. Whether wetsuit or non-wetsuit, the water at these races will still be a lot warmer than the water in Ireland.
    I'm just curious, do you see it as important to get used to swimming in cold water if your A-goal for the year is IM Austria, Nice, Frankfurt, etc.?
    Someone who was racing Roth last year said why would he need to freeze his balls off in Seapoint in May, when it was going to be nothing like the conditions he'd have to deal with in Germany. He had a point surely? There's better uses of your time than driving for one hour to go for a 10 minute dip in The Irish Sea, take 20 minutes to get dressed again and then another 20 to warm up again.

    I only ever swim open water in a race. Too cold in Ireland and to much hassle!. I still fare alright in the races tho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    Mr Tango wrote: »
    I only ever swim open water in a race. Too cold in Ireland and to much hassle!. I still fare alright in the races tho

    You fare far more than alright, and I could spend a lifetime trying and I still wouldn't match your times, but I fear Peter's next post is going to say this is why the two of you are so close to each other coming out of the water, but by his own admission he has to bust a lung to keep up with you in the pool.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    i know a guy who has not run for 3 years ( maybe has run 10 times in 3 years ) and still would run 10 k in 36 min ( used to be a 30.20 10 k ) for most 36min would be brill to run for 10 k ,but i dont think many would advocate to a 43 min 10 k runner not to run for 3 years to run 10 k in 36 min...

    so what iam saying is if somebody does ok, that dosnt have to mean it s good for everybody .

    before i go more into this this is something for some to read ;-)
    as some people can explain this much better than i can.

    http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=5517934;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

    tango is sam gyde (syg) syg is one of the best age groupers in ironman sam is very good and uses power cranks ( his vo2 is 80 ) . most studies would say powercranks not to work yet he is still very good ( to be fair one the best over 40 years old ironman in the world .
    anyway the above link is the usual powercrank discussion re discused for the 1001th time. he is sponsored by them ( and there is also no realy study that says they make you slower ....)
    but if one was to say sam is good becasue of using powercanrks I would certainly laugh ( but they might very well work for him and he does mention the placebo effect as well )
    but its many little pieces that make the full picture for him to be very good .

    tango is good , could he be better ( yes) but he is already good enough in the water for his ambitons and time available. but that dosnt mena that i would think that a poor swimmer should do the same.( and i dodnt think lazy triatheltes read my blog zico, as i am sure i have pissed them off long ago)



    dont get me wrong one can very easily make the argument against open water swimming ( and as i said iam not to bothered about it too myslef
    at the same time i prefer open water swimming vs pool swimming.

    tango has an incredible awareness and pacing in the pool which most people dont have ( i also guess he has more swim ks than anybody on boards done in his child years ).


    what i am trying to suggest here, is that it does help to think through an argument further than x does this and x is good so this must work for y . or x uses this wetsuit so i buy the same wetsuit.
    at the same time there is pyhsiological principles that are the same fome beginner to pro, and i do not say we are unique snowflakes

    it is hard to single out 1 thing and say x leads to z ...
    ( and you know from your wetsuit testing that there is stuff i could predict and there is stuff i dodnt understand so its really not that easy )


    let us use yourself.... its the same with you doing a training marathon before a marathon ,many people told you it would not work some said its wrong , for you it did work, and why it works for you is that you are strong , never get injured and train a lot and have a stubborn mind . most other people would be f...ed after it .
    so I would not not tell an guy that gets injured all the time to run a traings marathon before a marathon ( heck i would tell him to actually do not run a marathon if you are a triathelte)
    at the same time long runs are an imperative for an marathon.

    is that training marathon the reason the reason you run a good marathon , no, it is not really,its a little piece in the puzzle. Has it made you 1 or 2 min better , we dodnt really know but chances are good it worked for you .
    the reason you did well it it that you overall trained well for it and have run many years (and have some talent for it and you have a light frame ) had you not done the marathon pre race would not have done much difference , had you done less miles might have done little difference , had you done less tempo it might have done little diffence,etc same for your strides for your intervals for your recovery runs etc etc
    BUT had you done less of all of this THAT would have made a difference ( unless you had cycled much more ) also had you not run many years before you would not have come close to the time .
    and you see you are not runing much slower this year with less miles ...

    the same we can do with open water swimming its not the only one thing that makes people good but most triathletes are really bad swimmers and many even worse open water swimmers.
    likewise most triathletes would not do so well in criteriums despite being faster than a lot of a3 roadies in a tt ) -
    like in a crit open water swimming is about being at the right place at the right time and save as much energy ( for the sprint in a crit or the final breakaway, or for the bike in a tri ) its often not the fastest that wins but the ones that race the best on the day ( and of course the fast once that read a race well are the onece the win most often)

    i guess most people that read this blog would fall into this category and are not confortable being , hit in the open water being pushed around,freak out if they cant see the bottom of the pool ( you would be suprised how many people have that issue ) swim incredibly bad lines in races
    so for many there is easy time to be gainned in an half ironman swim to practise in this environmnet ( and yes i have seen people to that struggle with sighitng in Athy.... and a few weeks before the race it CAN be beneficial to train that. it can be a low hanging fruit for many ( and useless for some)

    zico you think aoubt 1 thing water temp , but you forget aobut group drafting sighting feelling conforable in the open water etc .
    when i say acclamatise i need usually 1-2 session at the begining of the seasion to get used to the cold open water and if i do it now, than i will do good 45-60min sessions when i need them ( and since i have an open water base i need by far less open water swims to feel conforable in a mass start environment than people that have never learned it )


    one can say i dont like it , so i dodnt do it
    likewise one can say i hate long bike rides in the cold so i dodnt do them ...( and sometimes it can be smart not to do a session in the cold ....and not to swim in the cold water ...)
    but my goal is to podium in my age group in austria and if i dodnt do the training somebody else will do it ....

    i dodnt think its tangos goal to podium in his age group at the ironman in austria and given his run he naturally is much better of focusing more on his run and bike , as his time is limited having kids. the swim is really not the problem for a guy that has swam more miles in his live a than you will swim until you hit 50 if you keep swimmng as you do ( coincidentaly this is why a lot of people dont like that athletes who used certain drugs to return to the sport after a ban as they belive using those drugs has an long term effect even if they are clean now and give and unfair advantage )

    i do agree one has to think how practical it is to go to the sea.
    but one can also combine it , i often cycle out to seapoint swim and then continue with my bikes session ( wetsuit on back also strengthens my shoulder and makes it easier for me to hold aero posiotn in a race when i dodnt have something on my back.or I leave it at seapoint and pick it up on way home ( i have a 50 euro neo for this and i would not be to worried if it gets stolen ) time cost pretty much 0 and its a huge difference going for a 4 hour bike ride and doing the 4 hour bike ride after 1 hour in the open water . ( and you would very well know how you felt after your last 4 k swim last year -

    and lets remember i did say that people who race in MAY should hit the open water now-and i think we would agree that you would not have cycled well after that 4 k swim in july or whenever it was last year ;-). i am pretty sure tango would have felt quite well after that swim ... would he have won that 4k race no becasue there is people that are as talented as him that swim more and more open water ...

    i am sure i have lost quite a few so far but thats my 2 cents
    as wise coach once said if i get 8 out of 10 decisons right iam doing fantactically well. if its 5 out of 10 its still good enough.


    if you want to discuss it further guys please open a new thread
    I know i worte all this sh,,t but i guess at the end it comes down to, train how you race ,( and the closer you come to a race the more specific you train for it )
    if you want to race well you have to go through many more uncomfortable situations (and you have to train your weakness)., than somebody that wants to race ok and if you just want to tick the box you have to do v little do finish an ironman (or an open water swim)
    so dodnt mind me.

    ps before an summer ironman I would do 3.8k tts in the nac with a wetsuit and if its a hot year also without a wetsuit ....
    and then i would not cry before a race whatever happens wetsuit or no wetsuit. and if it is a misserable rainy day i would remember i have also done days where my muscles where stiff comming out of the water and konw how that feels but know how to deal with it
    ( and at the end of the day all this can be useless if my brain gives in ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    "If I don't do the training somebody else will do it...."

    You do tend to ramble some, but you always have valuable information in what you say. All good stuff above. Perhaps not rocket science, but appreciate your contribution here on boards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    The tribox is rocket science ...
    Dory Dory wrote: »
    "If I don't do the training somebody else will do it...."

    You do tend to ramble some, but you always have valuable information in what you say. All good stuff above. Perhaps not rocket science, but appreciate your contribution here on boards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    peter kern wrote: »
    The tribox is rocket science ...

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    the swim is really not the problem for a guy that has swam more miles in his live a than you will swim until you hit 50 if you keep swimmng as you do ( coincidentaly this is why a lot of people dont like that athletes who used certain drugs to return to the sport after a ban as they belive using those drugs has an long term effect even if they are clean now and give and unfair advantage )

    Actually I think in this one sentence you have stated a very obvious and often overlooked effect of legacy that doping has on the body. A clear anecdote that can not be argued against. Nice one Peter :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭MD1983


    not long now until your first big race, how are you set? when does the taper start for you?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    long time no update
    still ticking over ( but it would appear this wednesday was the rock bottom day and things are going upwards again.



    wed (last week) pm nothing

    thursday usual bike am v easy

    pm 30 min easy

    friday easy swim easy run

    sat easy run

    sunday 90k tt at half ironman intensity very sobering I never expect to do well after easy days and the form has been down but that this was a good bit slower than i had wanted, at the same time was a very good session. While i would have liked to get of the bike a few times I kept going and after 30 k it started to get a bit better , Still the only lap i hit the target were the last 2 laps
    run of the bike was not too bad, i guess it was a clear sign that i had oertrained a bit i was confortalbe with the pace but when i tried to push a bit more there was nothing and i did not get the cranks moving.
    overall 135k 130 k bike 5 k run

    pm 9 k run easy


    monday easy swim

    pm 70 min run

    tue turbo 1.40 min I told coach gordo the session to be done and then checked out and let him call the shots ,always great to have somebody shouting at you for the the tough stuff. i cant even rember the session i guess main set was 8 times 5 min as fast as possible 4 easy

    wed am steady swim

    pm run I dodnt want to talk aobut it most likley the worst session in the last 6 month ( i should not have worn a watch just do it )

    thursday usual cycle

    friday am swim as usual

    lunch time turbo 20x 1 fast 90 easy i cant rember when i fell on the ground the last time after a turbo session but after the last interval i felt like a nordic skier after a sprint finish ( coach gordo looked pleased )


    sat 1.45 turbo 3x20 coach gordo constantly reminding me to push a bit more

    pm teadmil run with half ironman pace

    sunday triple zone session 2 1 1 28min 24min 16 min to the dismay of the coach i did quite a few bike adjustments before we started but it was worth it and iam very close to be fianally happy on the bike and have the sattle tilt finally close to where it is right, (just need to raise the pads 5mm) . another good session

    easy run pm 40 min

    overall not very good 2 weeks and very poor running and swiming
    but i like to think that iam starting to feel a bit better and while i have adapted my goal times for austria a bit iam not too worried that 2 not so great weeks have a big impact overall and as i said i like to think that iam starting to get better again.at the same time it was a good lesson for the 2nd part part the year. bike wise this was quite a decent week and on reflection given that iam a a bit in a dipp the bike tt wasnt that bad either as everything was bad last week ;-)

    i am sure without gordo i would not have done any of the 4 turbo
    sessions proper last week as motivation was rock bottom ,he also kept me in the pool on friday and he has certainly been the most valuable trainings tool this week,what likley would have been a write of week turned into my best cycling week in terms of bike intensity in the last 6 month .



    monday 60 k at half Im pace . it was prob a bit windier than last week at the same time the wind came from a different direction (and the more wind was at least negated by being more protected over a 2 k strech per lap, ) each 8 k lap was 40 sec faster than last week
    I was pushing a bit harder than last week but also felt for the first time this year that I generated close to proper power and put some pressure to the paddle. run decent of the bike approx 3.55 k pace for 5 k


    MD1983 not long now until your first big race, how are you set? when does the taper start for you?! its still 5 weeks to go till Bala , in a way i have already done my taper for 70,3 austria in the last 2 weeks ( not the way it was planned) so i plan normal training this week duathlon on wed thursday easy day and another bike tt on sat and swim tt
    rest day monday and easy day tuesday next week and then still close to normal training with an easier day on sat before the race on sunday
    it does finally look like that after 5 weeks iam about to get rid of the slight chest infection i have since germany. so that would be a good thing ( i was very close to get my first does of antibotica in 10 years i have been living in ireland now ...)
    as i have said earlier i have down scaled my goals a bit for the 70.3 in austria but i do not think i would take a slot for the worlds if i dont go at least sub 2.24 on the bike ( a usual bike split that gets you on the overall podium in austria for the pros is 2.12 ish and uber biker pros like vanhonecaker go sub 2.09 and the inital goal was to be no more than 10 min slower than a typical podium pro split (usually raelert or llanos ) . I dodnt think iam there , at the same time training and racing are two very different things and austria is more a test to see that where i think iam is where iam at .and with 2.24 i dod not really have to really push the run unless i feel I could get a uplifiting time if i really push but I would like to keep the recovery need after the race as low as possible to get another 2 good weeks before wales.

    coach gordo will keep a close eye on me on the turbo over the next 10 days as there is work to be done.
    at the end I am watching my right achillies a bit right now and iam more in the orange Zone than i would like to be and the main goal has to be to do nothing stupid as i would prefer to not run 2 weeks than not running for 3 month ( if i get this right i would be much happier than anything else to be honest and today i did not feel it during the run but i also know i should be a bit more careful than i have been so far dealing with it as it is prob closer to red than i admit to myself and i will be careful now
    ...and this week i get back to focus on the swim ( as planed )
    after achilis 2nd most important goal is to sleep more .
    ps mark to answer your question ;-) i am set for austria If i keep the achillies in check. Last 6 month have been solid and 6 month is more important than 2 poor weeks...
    at the same time 4 days ago my answer would have been a bit different ,they say its always darkest before dawn and there was a few times i had to remind myslef of that,and look at the bigger picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    monday pm 8 k easy run

    tueday 90 min turbo main set 3 sets , 3x 1 min fast 1 min easy , 45 1, 30 1,
    pm 7k easy run

    wed am
    motorpaced swim 2 sets 6x 100 6x75 6x50
    I did not look at the times, my motorpacer was in charge to keep the set off times and i knew they were bad and i just did my best and also focused on race specific skills, and only if i got it right did I not get spit out. This was a brutal set and i left the pool dead and was close to falling asleep while writing emails.

    pm duathlon
    I was in no mood doing this and only turned up as i had promised it to my swim pacer and I did not want to hear for the next 5 years that i did not turn up.
    I had 1 liter coke before I left as i was worried i would fall asleep . but to be honest I was already glad on my way to the race that i did go, as there would have been no way I would have done a session on my own.
    I got a niece beating but did a very good training session and got a moral boost as I think I raced very well at this fatigue level and felt good when I continued to add on another 8 k run after the race.
    Achilles caused 0 troulbe and that alone justified to do the race ,and made me really happy after the race.

    Respect where respect is due .Got a great massage after the race by Robert from bodyright.
    despite being the last athelte of the evenning and getting a free massage, he spend more time than he had to and was very good being careful where he had to be ( left calf) and really hurting me where he could ( quads which have taken a serious beating up in the last 6 days with an intensive bike session every day )

    nice 25 min spin home
    I slept surprisingly well despite all the caffeine in the system.

    thusday am usual cycle nice and easy

    pm 30 min recovery bike run

    friday usual swim session all off 1.30, swam a bit better than Wednesday ie Wednesday was abysmal . today it was only horrible so i am moving in the right direction ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    friday pm 10 k steady run

    sat pm 90k tt 20 min off the bike due to lack of motivation I would have liked to reschedule this to Sunday and i still had to do some stuff on the bike but decised to go ahead, got the bike stuff out of the way am and fianlly started tt just after 12pm ( after being inside and outside woodies for what felt like an eternity ) but happy to get something done i should have done 3 weeks ago ...)
    in the same way the last 90 k tt went bad , this one went well and faster than i was hoping for. i was pleased with going another 30 sec faster per 8 k lap than last week for the 60 k tt and 12 min faster than a few weeks ago for the 90k tt .
    for the 20min run i had my pacer who i had told to go 3.50k pace cycling beside or behind me, i felt constantly under pressure and just a bit too fast to call it half ironman pace thinking this cant be right and i am going faster than 3.50 ...anyway as happy as i was that the run was over, as much i had enjoyed it. Only after the run was I told that the fecker had me on 3.40 k normalized pace running
    anyway happy with the session and was even more pleased when one guy questioned my times later on. Granted wind conditons where very good, bit less wind than last week and the wind direction was i guess the best for the loop. Anyway i am not that faced by the time, and like with the bad tt , the process was more important than the time.

    sunday am cycled to nac for planned swim tt unofrtuantley no 50 m format and with a swim meet pool quite busy i did a 90 min steady swim and another 2 hours easy cycle afterwards.

    monday am
    swam again a bit better ( or better less bad) and unlike the boys earlier on I won the 50 m race series against finman ;-) A good race practice sesesion and I almost enjoyed that session.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Good luck in Austria Peter, solid and consistent training from you the last few months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    peter kern wrote: »
    the fecker had me on 3.40 k normalized pace running

    Hands up - who else smiled at this? :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭rodneyr1981


    peter kern wrote: »
    friday pm 10 k steady run

    sat pm 90k tt 20 min off the bike due to lack of motivation I would have liked to reschedule this to Sunday and i still had to do some stuff on the bike but decised to go ahead, got the bike stuff out of the way am and fianlly started tt just after 12pm ( after being inside and outside woodies for what felt like an eternity ) but happy to get something done i should have done 3 weeks ago ...)
    in the same way the last 90 k tt went bad , this one went well and faster than i was hoping for. i was pleased with going another 30 sec faster per 8 k lap than last week for the 60 k tt and 12 min faster than a few weeks ago for the 90k tt .
    for the 20min run i had my pacer who i had told to go 3.50k pace cycling beside or behind me, i felt constantly under pressure and just a bit too fast to call it half ironman pace thinking this cant be right and i am going faster than 3.50 ...anyway as happy as i was that the run was over, as much i had enjoyed it. Only after the run was I told that the fecker had me on 3.40 k normalized pace running
    anyway happy with the session and was even more pleased when one guy questioned my times later on. Granted wind conditons where very good, bit less wind than last week and the wind direction was i guess the best for the loop. Anyway i am not that faced by the time, and like with the bad tt , the process was more important than the time.

    sunday am cycled to nac for planned swim tt unofrtuantley no 50 m format and with a swim meet pool quite busy i did a 90 min steady swim and another 2 hours easy cycle afterwards.

    monday am
    swam again a bit better ( or better less bad) and unlike the boys earlier on I won the 50 m race series against finman ;-) A good race practice sesesion and I almost enjoyed that session.

    Hi,

    Did u ever get your stolen TT bike back?
    Good luck with race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    Safe travels and the very best of luck this weekend Peter. Race well and race hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Best of luck Peter. Hope it all goes to plan for you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭pointer28


    Good luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    thanks for messages
    and no i did not get the bike back

    mon pm
    light 30 min session

    tue
    cycle to nac and back 3.2 k swim 1.9 k tt slow enough time but good practise should have used my race wetsuit but since she is getting tired i did not want to stretch her on 38 flip turns.

    quick turbo session with a few short intervals binned it after 25 min, got out of it what i wanted, ie to shake the legs a bit .


    pm cycle to seapoint open water swim approx 1.2 k slighlty faster than tt pace in am . loving it


    wed easy swim getting into a swim grove again

    I have sat down a bit the last few days and reflected but overall I have to say despite the fact its still a long way ,and i am not really happy where i am right now,overall the pre season time has been positive and more importantly there is a few important things i can learn from and improve on.
    the last few weeks where not fun but an important part and i saw i still repeat some of my mistakes, but I also found ways how to deal with those mistakes better .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    Best of luck Peter, looking forward to tracking your day!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    best of luck Peter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    This is always a great log to read,and to inspire. Hope you get what you deserve at the weekend!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    race report

    1 the world is not fair if it all had gone my way I would have won the race ...

    2 Iam the worlds most miserable trithlate, I cant swim bike and run I hate the world and my bike is now at the bottom of a lake.

    3 some good bits some bad bits ,some problems resolved new opened up.

    We go with 3 at the same time, had i not seen that my rear tyre was flat after the race I might have gone for 2. At the same time there is still enough left of 1 too keep me going.

    the good
    i got the nutrition spot on pre and on race ( should have had one more gel at one o fthe 2 last downhill but forgot to take that at the aid station)
    the problem zones in my body where holding up nicely.
    transitons were good nice and steady.

    solid I swam ok and i knew before the race i would not set the lake on fire, and was 2nd out of the water in my wave without using much enrgy ( the first guy was too fast, I was 600 m in second place and then let my draftee ahead of me and let another 200 m in the 2nd lake and then back into third until the end where it was clear that the guy i swam after had not done his course homework proper and swam to wide .

    on the mental side race was solid I was reasonably focused the whole day and did not walk despite the pain.

    bike was for most part solid too apart from the climb and it does come on nicely right now , I rode 82 k totally on my own and was leading my wave till k 60 when i got passed by a pack of 7, 5 of them ( the hanger on ) i dropped again in the climb or last section of the bike. so third in my age group into t2.


    the bad
    One body part seems to be fixed another starting to cause issues I had massive back pain when i started the run. ( i like to think I know why it happpend at the same time I also realiced I had those syntoms last week and ignored them as i still had more issues with my problem zones (I will also lift the arm rest a bit)



    the unknown
    I have no idea when I punctured. part of me likes to think that at k 20 the rear tire started to feel a bit softer. the only problem with that theor... it did not feel do get that much softer and when i picked up my bike after the race the pressure was so low that it doesnt square up (it was a micro pucture and so maybe it got slightly bigger during the course) or the puncture really happend at the end of the race.

    I am non the wiser aobut the run of the bike I did not want to really burry myself in the run but had planned to push for the first 8 to 10 k and then easy of and while I did easy off after 10 k it was from slow to very slow. again it would be easy to go back to point 1 and say without the back pain i would have run x.



    the result
    the minimal goal to qualify for the worlds was never in danger I had a look at age group sizes before the race and was fairly sure my age group would have 11 slots ( it was 10 ) and new where I was during the race so 8th place was safe.
    naturally I would have wanted to cycle 2 min faster. and would have liked to run the first 8-10 k in 3.50 pace so I am far from happy with the race, but to be fair the bigger problem is that i did not really get the conclusions where i am right now, in fact I have almost more new questions than i found answers.I am not worried about the run split but rather than running on my terms I was actually really hurting to run that slow ( at the same time the legs felt good so thats a mild plus)
    but the body breaks at the weakest link and it dosnt really help me if i fix one thing and another part dosnt hold up.

    The reality
    I dodnt like to speculate,
    I would like to do another half this weekend to get some answers and since i run that slow i have pretty much recovered from the race. back is still tight but today is much better than y day .

    3 things to take away from the race

    1 more climbing on the bike
    2 I need to strenghten the back a bit more and be more careful with sitting position protecing my harmstring while sititng puts more stress on the back.
    3 do not tell me that slower people draft less than faster guys . its just not true. Having passed some 500 people its just makes no difference how slow or how fast people are . the faster guys are maybe more skilled but drafting happens from the slowest to the fastest guys . draft marshelling was brutal to be honest. ( the rest of the race extremly well organiced )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    So, you qualified for Worlds? I assume you will go then? When is your big IM in relation to Worlds? Congrats, even if you've been left feeling a little empty(?). If you learn from things, then there is always value.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    yes i paid the big bucks for the slot,its after all project 40 . a once in lifetime stupitity ;-0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    Well done Peter, congrats on the qualification!

    A little birdy told me you might be racing this weekend? Are you paying a visit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    peter kern wrote: »
    yes i paid the big bucks for the slot,its after all project 40 . a once in lifetime stupitity ;-0

    I think it's fab. Congrats!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    long time no entry
    and to be honest not much news on the west front.
    the numbers are not there right now and i have decided to take my planned midseason break a few weeks earlier and then built again.

    Nobody likes it when things dont go as planned at the same time I am really "only " 4% off from where i need to be and while 4 % is a lot its not the end of the world given that weight alone counts likely for close to 2 % and a few mistakes another close to 2 %.

    On the birght side side on wednesday before the brithish middle distance champs ,i felt for the first time in a while runing ok , during the duathlon
    and I was pretty happy with that.

    the british middle distance champs where the best bike of the year and while iam still not where i need to be, this is the one dicipline iam still reasonably happy with apart from my climbing perfomance.
    with the race being kind of cancelled during the bike i did again not to get to run of the bike but from the one split i took at approx k50 I had lost max 1 min on the guys and closed on others and was approx in 4th positon ( being over 40 and german they had put me in wave 2 ;-) the other good think ( of course easy to say ;-) i felt like the bike changes i made got rid of the back pain i had expeirenced in the last 2 races.

    Anyway the goal will be to run of the bike tri an mhi and then take my midseason break and make a few tweaks to the program while not changing 95%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Best of luck in Tri an Mhi Peter. Hope the weather holds up too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Did not really want to race last weekend but with the death of a triathlete and the race in wales rightly cancelled after the bike , it would have been a shame not to do this great race which is also close to dublin.
    big thanks to Tri An MHI tri club for letting me in at the shortest notice possible- i was kind of hoping they would say no.

    Swim not feeling the love at all and was contemplating to go home after the first lap

    bike quite decent there was a few parts where I was cycling quite well and i did actually enjoy it ( i guess after bala pretty much every bike course is enjoyable) pacing was very good till after the downhill of the biigest climb in 2nd lap ( roughly 60 ) after that i started to push a bit too hard (call it stupid) and closed the gap to 2nd place too quickly. plan was to take a bit of a breather once i got there but did not do that either. end of storry i guess for 30 k i pushed aobut 20 watts too high
    now to be fair I would not have run well in anycase but going 1 min slower in last 30 k would have been better.

    run run ok for first 4 k and then in the long drag uphill got very tight . more negative was the fact that while i was certainly unconfortalbe with back pain I was defo not pushing in the red. At the same time given the fact that I would have liked quit after 600m in the swim and had to repat the mantra DNF is not an option I was in the mental hurtbox long enough.

    Anyway after 5 90 k tts in last 7 weeks y day was the first time I felt a bit like I was actually cycling rather than fighting against the bike , and at least i am right about that the bike is moving in the right direction
    at the same time I will need to push those 20 watts comfortably in 11 weeks. Or as much better said by the race winner I need to lose weight ( and i did start with that last week).
    Anyway next 2 weeks its about losing weight ( or better eating healthy ) and oil the body to become a bit less stiff. and then go again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    peter kern wrote: »
    Or as much better said by the race winner I need to lose weight ( and i did start with that last week).

    I thought that as well Peter, but as it can be a touchy topic I didn't want to say anything. Plus it makes it much easier to run you down.:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    putting on weight is obiously an dicipline issue and showes lazyness.

    at the same time one of the best things to weight came from a guy that won hawaii 6 times, he said, if you want to perform in october you should be fat in the summer ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭MD1983


    whats up with your swim Peter? you were posting some impressive pool times a few weeks ago, not swimming as much?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    5 folded
    -a mix of an planning issue (minor but certainly one of the 5% i will change) but it caused a bit of an shoulder issue.
    - with my tt bike stolen I was not used to tt positon anymore and got some shoulder issues when i got the new bike.
    - in combination with first issue not helpful and i had to reduce the swim a bit and my swim can go up quickly but also goes down v quickly ( i dont have a swim back ground and havent swam much in last 3 years apart from 8 weeks before kilkee last year)
    -Part of taking my break earlier than planned is that i have not gone well since begining of may in all 3 sports
    - I had likely one of the 3 worst off days in the swim in any triathlon i have done ( and for the first 5 k it did not look good on the bike either ) on top of that I made an tactical error that left me exposed on my own.


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