Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 1:29pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

The video shows one guy attempt to disarm the shooter but he gets shot dead.

He is also a hero.

I don't understand that as a response to what I posted though.

I'm not criticising what you say or anything, I just don't get it.

KrustyUCC · 15-03-2019 1:30pm

RIP to all the victims

Absolutely horrific

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 1:33pm

There have been a few talking heads on the news criticising Ozzie and Kiwi security services for not being aware of him but none of those "security experts" explain how anyone was supposed to be aware of him.

Very easy to find out what he was up to online and what influenced him after you have his name and read his "manifesto".

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 1:38pm

He claims to be both right wing and left wing depending on the definitions.
Doesn't like Trump, hates conservatives.
regards himself to be an ethnonationalist and Eco Fascist.

15-03-2019 1:41pm

The Moleman wrote: »

There have been a few talking heads on the news criticising Ozzie and Kiwi security services for not being aware of him but none of those "security experts" explain how anyone was supposed to be aware of him.

Very easy to find out what he was up to online and what influenced him after you have his name and read his "manifesto".

The only thing that intelligence really have to go on is loose talk. It would be very easy to kill a few dozen people as a lone wolf with planning. If, as reports suggest, there were multiple people involved then it marks a pretty rare event for a group to get to this point without someone giving the game away.

Boggles · 15-03-2019 1:42pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

He claims to be both right wing and left wing depending on the definitions.
Doesn't like Trump, hates conservatives.
regards himself to be an ethnonationalist and Eco Fascist.

He can claim what he wants.

He is just a cowardly cu nt.

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 1:44pm

Boggles wrote: »

He can claim what he wants.

He is just a cowardly cu nt.

I agree with you

Wheres Me Jumper? · 15-03-2019 1:52pm

Zorya wrote: »

There is radicalisation happening via the internet for certain. Both left and right. It has been going on for a long time. This murderer's manifesto was a combination of extreme Nazism and Marxism, and he claimed influences from both. Kill All Normies is a good introductory book to the world of the Chans and online hate cults. Both are equally savage. I have encountered a person who was deeply influenced by terrible people online. He lives in an isolated rural place, and is psychiatrically unwell. He has been in touch with extremists based in Scandinavia via the web, which has been reported to authorities. He cannot be the only one as I don't know that many people and yet I know one such. It is not left or right, it is sick hate that crosses all political boundaries, there is no reasoning behind it, it attracts the psychotic, the unwell and the feeble minded. Trying to point score on this thread on the back of a massacre is obnoxious.

there is no question the WWW is the go to place for these nutjobs. most of whom cannot function in ordinary society.
the large companies like Google, FB, etc. must take some responsibility here.
can you imagine if i stood in my town/village centre and urged people to go out and commit wholesale slaughter?
my heart goes out to those poor people, going about their everyday lives and then this animal seeks them out. stuff of nightmares.

Call Me Jimmy · 15-03-2019 1:54pm

This isn't mental illness it's calculated evil across time and on multiple levels.
Not only did he manage to kill so many but his manifesto is sophisticated enough to be effective in its stated aim to sow division and chaos outside of the tragedy itself.

RollieFingers · 15-03-2019 1:54pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Anybody watching or distributioning the disgusting video should be be tracked down and face criminal charges.

I saw some of it because it was shared on my FB feed, don't think I should be arrested for that.

15-03-2019 1:54pm

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

there is no question the WWW is the go to place for these nutjobs. most of whom cannot function in ordinary society.
the large companies like Google, FB, etc. must take some responsibility here.
can you imagine if i stood in my town/village centre and urged people to go out and commit wholesale slaughter?
my heart goes out to those poor people, going about their everyday lives and then this animal seeks them out. stuff of nightmares.

The chans are a main source of this crap. Then they had voat as well. People talk about /r/the_donald or whatever on Reddit but I've been there and it's pretty tame. Mostly pro-US stuff.

I don't know much about FB, though. It could be big for it.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 15-03-2019 1:59pm

RollieFingers wrote: »

I saw some of it because it was shared on my FB feed, don't think I should be arrested for that.

no of course not, but FB have questions to answer for propagating this digital vomit.

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 1:59pm

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

This isn't mental illness it's calculated evil across time and on multiple levels.
Not only did he manage to kill so many but his manifesto is sophisticated enough to be effective in its stated aim to sow division and chaos outside of the tragedy itself.

Yes, this line of mental Illness is a cop out.

He knew exactly what he was doing, and so far it seems to have worked.

All these people calling for censorship, blaming online personalities etc are in effect completing his task.

This is exactly what he wants to happen

Sir Oxman · 15-03-2019 2:01pm

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/15/****posting-inspirational-terrorism-and-the-christchurch-mosque-massacre/

Scarey stuff.

Itssoeasy · 15-03-2019 2:01pm

I was actually shocked to see the notification this morning when I woke up. I had assumed that New Zealand would never have something like this happen. I mean thankfully most responses have been to condemn the attacks as should happen. Nobody should be killed for their religious beliefs. There was one Australian Senator though who gave a mental statement regarding the attacks.

RollieFingers · 15-03-2019 2:02pm

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

no of course not, but FB have questions to answer for propagating this digital vomit.

Agreed, it shouldn't be shared on mainstream media pages either.

Anteayer · 15-03-2019 2:04pm

PressRun wrote: »

Facebook and YouTube and other sites have been asleep at the wheel for years on this. It's on those websites that all of this extremism has been building for a long time now, and it's been wilfully ignored by social media companies who have actively turned a blind eye to how the platform is used as long as they turn a profit.

Well, they're basically feeding people a diet of sheer toxicity when they start delving into those subjects.

They're driven by AI feeding the suggested posts to you. The intelligence of the AI systems is basically still just crude pattern matching. So, you're being fed content that it thinks you might like based largely on what other people you know like, what you've previously read and what people who've previously read those articles like and other demographic data, possibly your web history, keywords from posts and messages etc etc .

The problem is the AI has absolutely no comprehension of what it's feeding you. It's just articles. While it understand a lot of metadata about click patterns, it won't understand the difference between a cat picture, a business news story from Bloomberg and a whack job conspiracy theory as it isn't actually intelligent. It doesn't understand content or context.

Facebook et al. are utterly reliant on those systems and all their attempts to filter content or sort content have been based on more and more AI.

These are hugely profitable companies that have only been around in any big way for a little over a decade, yet they've become unchallengable and we seem to be unable to regulate them. They basically pay no tax, make enormous profits and take no responsibility for destabilising political systems or hosting all sorts of extremely damaging communities of extremists.

Gael23 · 15-03-2019 2:06pm

Pity NZ abolished the death penalty

tuxy · 15-03-2019 2:06pm

PressRun wrote: »

Facebook and YouTube and other sites have been asleep at the wheel for years on this. It's on those websites that all of this extremism has been building for a long time now, and it's been wilfully ignored by social media companies who have actively turned a blind eye to how the platform is used as long as they turn a profit.

I think the live stream was on Facebook but he could have used any of the thousands of streaming platforms.
IMO twitter and 4chan are far more unhealthy places to hangout but it's impossible to censor the internet.
Twitter is probably the worst with people deeply entrenched on both side of any disagreement, I actually can't stomach reading twitter whenever I'm linked to it.

15-03-2019 2:10pm

As I say, the chans: (from the link above)

Noo · 15-03-2019 2:11pm

Jesus christ!! I accidentally watched the video and I think I'm going to be sick. Like a ****ing video game, deeply deeply disturbing.

*before you asked about "accidentally", a video started playing when I was reading a facebook post about nz and I was like "no way is this the actual video, surely it'll cut off before he starts shooting", but no, it shows it in all its horrific glory, I'd just stared at it in shock before I had the sense to turn it off, but I'd seen too much by then.

Horrific for the families that something like that is out there.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 15-03-2019 2:12pm

RollieFingers wrote: »

Agreed, it shouldn't be shared on mainstream media pages either.

just watching SkyNews, and in fairness they did NOT show the unedited vidcam footage, only stills from it.

EmmetSpiceland · 15-03-2019 2:13pm

RollieFingers wrote: »

Agreed, it shouldn't be shared on mainstream media pages either.

Just had to have a word with one of the young lads in here. He was showing clips of the actual shooting to another oddball. Two of them grinning away watching then the fella showing it says he “wouldn’t mind getting his hands on the shooters crypto wallet”.

You’d have to question the mindset of anyone who would watch something like that. I’m in two minds to go to HR about the incident.

Thoughts and prayers for the victims, their families and the people of New Zealand is what people should be sharing, not watching the footage like it’s some sort of prime time tv show.

15-03-2019 2:13pm

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the large companies like Google, FB, etc. must take some responsibility here.
.

No they dont. FFS.

Sir Oxman · 15-03-2019 2:13pm

That video is this bastards legacy - it will only encourage more of his like.

He needs to be denied any platform at his trial - how that occurs I do not know.

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 2:15pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Just had to have a word with one of the young lads in here. He was showing clips of the actual shooting to another oddball. Two of them grinning away watching then the fella showing it says he “wouldn’t mind getting his hands on the shooters crypto wallet”.

You’d have to question the mindset of anyone who would watch something like that. I’m in two minds to go to HR about the incident.

Thoughts and prayers for the victims, their families and the people of New Zealand is what people should be sharing, not watching the footage like it’s some sort of prime time tv show.

Do you they not get that those are real people being slaughtered?

Auntie Semite · 15-03-2019 2:18pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Do you they not get that those are real people being slaughtered?

Its possible that the shooter wants to inspire kids with the video, make it seem cool and exciting like a video game.

It should be banned everywhere.

RollieFingers · 15-03-2019 2:21pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Just had to have a word with one of the young lads in here. He was showing clips of the actual shooting to another oddball. Two of them grinning away watching then the fella showing it says he “wouldn’t mind getting his hands on the shooters crypto wallet”.

You’d have to question the mindset of anyone who would watch something like that. I’m in two minds to go to HR about the incident.

Thoughts and prayers for the victims, their families and the people of New Zealand is what people should be sharing, not watching the footage like it’s some sort of prime time tv show.

I get what you're saying but I wouldn't be going to HR over lads watching it personally. People are going to see it, the world will keep turning - condemnation should be directed at the perpetrators and not people watching the video in my opinion.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 15-03-2019 2:21pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

He claims to be both right wing and left wing depending on the definitions.
Doesn't like Trump, hates conservatives.
regards himself to be an ethnonationalist and Eco Fascist.

or where i come from we say a total ****WIT.

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 2:21pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Its possible that the shooter wants to inspire kids with the video, make it seem cool and exciting like a video game.

It should be banned everywhere.

Whatever about kids not knowing any better, the poster above mentioned HR so assuming these lads are adults in employment. No excuse for watching the slaughter of innocent men, women and children with a grin on your face if you're an adult. That's chilling behaviour.

EmmetSpiceland · 15-03-2019 2:21pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Do you they not get that those are real people being slaughtered?

I do, certainly. I’d like to say these guys are just dumb kids but they’re in their 20s. I’m guessing they are just desensitised to this stuff.

Snow Garden · 15-03-2019 2:23pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Just had to have a word with one of the young lads in here. He was showing clips of the actual shooting to another oddball. Two of them grinning away watching then the fella showing it says he “wouldn’t mind getting his hands on the shooters crypto wallet”.

You’d have to question the mindset of anyone who would watch something like that. I’m in two minds to go to HR about the incident.

I am.not condoning it but I don't think you should go to HR. Young lads being stupid and ignorant. HR won't fix that. HR won't know where to look or will make a meal of it. HR is full of poor people managers.

Danzy · 15-03-2019 2:24pm

His manifesto seems a mish mash of left wing economics and State intervention, anti globalism and right wing opposition to migration.

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 2:24pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I do, certainly. I’d like to say these guys are just dumb kids but they’re in their 20s. I’m guessing they are just desensitised to this stuff.

Apologies, the 'you' in my post was a typo.

TallGlass · 15-03-2019 2:25pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-15/christchurch-shooting-brenton-tarrant-what-we-know/10904744

'Brenton Tarrant worked as a personal trainer at Big River Gym in the northern New South Wales city of Grafton, from 2009 - 2011.'

'Then decided to go travelling over seas, he left to go travelling overseas in Asia and in Europe.'

Very odd

Suckit · 15-03-2019 2:25pm

Just got sent the video on whatsapp, I didn't watch it, I deleted it and sent back a shitload of abuse.
What the f**k is wrong with people thinking that's okay to share around?
I mean even at my most curious I wouldn't want to watch that!!
Very pissed off.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

EmmetSpiceland · 15-03-2019 2:26pm

RollieFingers wrote: »

I get what you're saying but I wouldn't be going to HR over lads watching it personally. People are going to see it, the world will keep turning - condemnation should be directed at the perpetrators and not people watching the video in my opinion.

Yeah, I see where you’re coming from. I was just a bit shocked. I asked him to stop showing it and he did so that’s that for now.

Sir Oxman · 15-03-2019 2:28pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I do, certainly. I’d like to say these guys are just dumb kids but they’re in their 20s. I’m guessing they are just desensitised to this stuff.

To be fair, "in your 20s" isn't childhood.

buried · 15-03-2019 2:29pm

Don't be watching that video. Don't watch or listen to cowardly fascist filth. There is nothing for the lay person to learn or gain from a FPS video of someone murdering others. It is like those beheading videos. Watching such a production provides an audience, enabling the act.
Its the one actual thing we can do today to reject this vile cowardly fascist piece of $hit. Do not watch the footage this vile pr!ck WANTS us to see.

RIP to the victims.

ancapailldorcha · 15-03-2019 2:30pm

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

I dont always agree with you but that is as fair and balanced a comment as I have seen or heard on this atrocity.
Well said.

Completely agreed.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 15-03-2019 2:32pm

Suckit wrote: »

Just got sent the video on whatsapp, I didn't watch it, I deleted it and sent back a shitload of abuse.
What the f**k is wrong with people thinking that's okay to share around?
I mean even at my most curious I wouldn't want to watch that!!
Very pissed off.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

well maybe it's time people started closing their FB, WhatsApp accounts?
maybe if enough people do, then they might wake-up.
dont know if you have children, but can you imagine if they accidentally got hold of it on your phone.

Suckit · 15-03-2019 2:41pm

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

well maybe it's time people started closing their FB, WhatsApp accounts?
maybe if enough people do, then they might wake-up.
dont know if you have children, but can you imagine if they accidentally got hold of it on your phone.

I closed Whatsapp and only used signal for messaging and telegram.
Work setup an system that uses whatsapp, and has a few of us in it.
Had to reinstall it after 6 months without, I am trying to convince them there are alternatives.

15-03-2019 2:42pm

TallGlass wrote: »

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-15/christchurch-shooting-brenton-tarrant-what-we-know/10904744

'Brenton Tarrant worked as a personal trainer at Big River Gym in the northern New South Wales city of Grafton, from 2009 - 2011.'

'Then decided to go travelling over seas, he left to go travelling overseas in Asia and in Europe.'

Very odd

It is not the profile I would imagine whatsoever, especially him in Pakistan. I mean, how can the police ever get a handle on this stuff, when an apparently "worldly" person can cause such devastation.. It's just so odd, as you say.

15-03-2019 2:43pm

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

well maybe it's time people started closing their FB, WhatsApp accounts?
maybe if enough people do, then they might wake-up.
dont know if you have children, but can you imagine if they accidentally got hold of it on your phone.

It's not about closing, it's about using it responsibly. Like most people, this hasn't shown up for me and never would.

Boggles · 15-03-2019 2:47pm

I presume the other 2 people arrested were flatmates/housemates?

Wheres Me Jumper? · 15-03-2019 2:50pm

Suckit wrote: »

I closed Whatsapp and only used signal for messaging and telegram.
Work setup an system that uses whatsapp, and has a few of us in it.
Had to reinstall it after 6 months without, I am trying to convince them there are alternatives.

i closed my FB page years ago. i found it far too intrusive, and besides i prefer to seek my own information rather than reading what these people think i should.

riffmongous · 15-03-2019 3:19pm

Bangladesh cricket team caught up in the incident and a few minutes away from being victims

1.52pm: I get a call from Tamim Iqbal, one of the senior-most cricketers in the team, as I'm leaving the Hagley Oval. He's calling me for help. "There's shooting here, please save us." I first think that he is playing a prank but he hangs up and calls again - this time, his voice starts to crack. He says that I should call the police as there's a shooting going on inside the mosque where they are about to enter.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26270448/there-shooting-here-please-save-us

PinotNero · 15-03-2019 3:21pm

Was it just one gunman??

kingbhome · 15-03-2019 3:21pm

Suckit wrote: »

Just got sent the video on whatsapp, I didn't watch it, I deleted it and sent back a shitload of abuse.
What the f**k is wrong with people thinking that's okay to share around?
I mean even at my most curious I wouldn't want to watch that!!
Very pissed off.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Humans have a curious streak and just want to see it. Not for blood lust but for some strange reason, many will watch it even if we did find it awful!

squawker · 15-03-2019 3:27pm

now every fool, with a grudge will start livestreaming their lunacy

Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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