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Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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    #152
    The Moleman
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭The Moleman


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I think it's fair to say that Christian terrorists attacked the mosque.

    Did the attackers make any reference to Christianity or claim to be acting because of religious beliefs?

    If they did then it is as fair to call them Christian terrorists as it is to use the phrases Muslim/Islamic terrorists.

    These people who do these things are not actually Christians or Muslims anymore than the IRA or UDF are Catholic or Protestants.


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    #153
    monreader
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭monreader


    The streets are so eerie here tonight. Its been a sad day for the city. Kia Kaha Otautahi!


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    #154
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    I fear also people like Sam Harris , Majid Nawaz etc will be partly blamed for this.
    Anyone remotely critical of Islam will be at the end of ire over this.

    This will greatly speed up the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.


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    #155
    The Moleman
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭The Moleman


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    The internet has become the sewer of humanity. :(

    Yes but it was not Berners-Lee who did that.

    It is the fault of all of for letting it become a sewer with all the trolling, nastiness, celebrity ****e.


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    #156
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    There is radicalisation happening via the internet for certain. Both left and right. It has been going on for a long time. This murderer's manifesto was a combination of extreme Nazism and Marxism, and he claimed influences from both. Kill All Normies is a good introductory book to the world of the Chans and online hate cults. Both are equally savage. I have encountered a person who was deeply influenced by terrible people online. He lives in an isolated rural place, and is psychiatrically unwell. He has been in touch with extremists based in Scandinavia via the web, which has been reported to authorities. He cannot be the only one as I don't know that many people and yet I know one such. It is not left or right, it is sick hate that crosses all political boundaries, there is no reasoning behind it, it attracts the psychotic, the unwell and the feeble minded. Trying to point score on this thread on the back of a massacre is obnoxious.


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    #157
    The Moleman
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭The Moleman


    monreader wrote: »
    The streets are so eerie here tonight. Its been a sad day for the city. Kia Kaha Otautahi!

    You in Christchurch?

    I didn't know this forum could be used outside Ireland.


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    #158
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    The Moleman wrote: »
    You in Christchurch?

    I didn't know this forum could be used outside Ireland.

    :confused::confused::confused::confused:


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    #159
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    Motherf*cker. Specifically chose NZ to show that no where in the world is safe. After attacking the mosques he drove around firing out his windscreen.
    What an absolute cretin.


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    #160
    batgoat
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    The Moleman wrote: »
    Did the attackers make any reference to Christianity or claim to be acting because of religious beliefs?

    If they did then it is as fair to call them Christian terrorists as it is to use the phrases Muslim/Islamic terrorists.

    These people who do these things are not actually Christians or Muslims anymore than the IRA or UDF are Catholic or Protestants.
    He doesn't clarify if he's Christian in his manifesto however he does have multiple pleas towards Christians including

    "ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?"


    Based on it, I would say he commited them under a guise of Christianity to maintain a white Christian society. Breivik did similar. A similar argument to most far right politicians in Europe at this point in time.(they're generally incredibly racist.)

    So I'm up pretty up in the air on if they have any real strong feelings about Christianity.


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    #161
    [Deleted User]
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    The Moleman wrote: »
    Yes but it was Berners-Lee who did that.

    It is the fault of all of for letting it become a sewer with all the trolling, nastiness, celebrity ****e.

    How was it his fault?


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    #162
    monreader
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭monreader


    The Moleman wrote: »
    You in Christchurch?

    I didn't know this forum could be used outside Ireland.

    I can use it fine and I live only 2 minutes away from the smaller mosque that was shot up.


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    #163
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become


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    #164
    The Moleman
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭The Moleman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How was it his fault?

    I mistyped. Corrected it.

    I was saying that it is not his fault in response to an earlier post asking how he feels this morning,

    He is not responsible for anything on the Internet


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    #165
    Giveaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    Pope Urban the II launched the first crusade as a response to Islam encroaching on all fronts of a divided Christendom. I can understand why todays attackers want to link themselves with Urban II but the link the attacker proposes is not valid


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    #166
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    I fear also people like Sam Harris , Majid Nawaz etc will be partly blamed for this.
    Anyone remotely critical of Islam will be at the end of ire over this.

    This will greatly speed up the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.

    Trial by Twitter will become even more emboldened.


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    #167
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,281 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused::confused:

    They have the internet on computers now


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    #168
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

    Mod

    If you have a problem with posts, report them.

    This isnt a thread for discussing far right hate speech on boards, so the above post is not helpful to this discussion.

    Please stay on topic or dont post in this thread again. Your choice. Same goes for EVERYONE.


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    #169
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become
    In fairness to the Mods, they're being dealt with very efficiently this morning.


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    #170
    The Moleman
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭The Moleman


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :confused::confused::confused::confused:

    I mistakenly believed the site could only be used in Ireland.

    It really is not that confusing.


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    #171
    [Deleted User]
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    batgoat wrote: »
    He doesn't clarify if he's Christian in his manifesto however he does have multiple pleas towards Christians including

    "ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?"


    Based on it, I would say he commited them under a guise of Christianity to maintain a white Christian society. Breivik did similar. A similar argument to most far right politicians in Europe at this point in time.(they're generally incredibly racist.)

    So I'm up pretty up in the air on if they have any real strong feelings about Christianity.

    The answer to that question is "order the first crusade on Muslims". It's a stretch to say it's a Christian attack, and if it were motivated by it, there would be more to it than that.


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    #172
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,470 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    what are the gun laws in NZ? he seemed to have quite the arsenal
    Pretty liberal actually in terms of what you can own. You can have various type of guns but you have to go through a very thorough series of test and checks to prove you can justify the need / want for it.
    Rifle ranges are in decline unfortunately but pistol clubs are still very common and air guns and crossbows are totally unlicensed.


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    #173
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

    Can you clarify ?
    which posts exactly ?
    I think you may be mis interpreting them if you include my posts in that.


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    #174
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    The Moleman wrote: »
    I mistakenly believed the site could only be used in Ireland.

    It really is not that confusing.

    Apologies.


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    #175
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    An unbelievably savage and cowardly act. The animal scum had the gall to describe it as a "firefight". Oh so mowing down unarmed innocent men women and children is a firefight now? Being flayed alive in a public square is too good for scum like this.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #176
    Charles Ingles
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Charles Ingles


    Shocking rip to victims.
    No doubt it will turn out out to lone wolf attack by some head case radicalised on the internet.


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    #177
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Some of these posts what a haven for far right hate speech boards has become

    Where? I'm reading this at 9:15 and haven't seen any far right posts on this thread. Maybe they were scrubbed but as of now all I see is condemnantion of a cowardly terror attack.


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    #178
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Can you clarify ?
    which posts exactly ?
    I think you may be mis interpreting them if you include my posts in that.
    Omackeral wrote: »
    Where? I'm reading this at 9:15 and haven't seen any far right posts on this thread. Maybe they were scrubbed but as of now all I see is condemnantion of a cowardly terror attack.

    Mod

    You two AND lbc. Leave it out. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt you didnt see my mod warning. I wont if it continues.


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    #179
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    I fear also people like Sam Harris , Majid Nawaz etc will be partly blamed for this.
    Anyone remotely critical of Islam will be at the end of ire over this.

    This will greatly speed up the criminalization of the criticism of Islam.

    Absolutely, the twitterati are out in force using the "far right" label like confetti, when one of the countless islamist shootings occur, the far right tag is never used and excuses regarding American intervention in the mid east etc are thrown about


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    #180
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    His point isn't wrong, though.

    One can't argue against Trump Jr's tweet.
    "Don’t give the POS NZ shooter what he wants. Don’t speak his name don’t show the footage. Seems that most agree on that. The questions is can the media do what’s right and pass up the ratings they’ll get by doing the opposite? I fear we all know the answer unfortunately.. "

    The only time I can recall that the media self-censored and refused to give the shooter publicity was when it was one of their own reporters was killed. We make mass shooters some of the most famous people in history.

    Funny though, how that position seems to reverse when it's Islamist terrorism or brown people killing white people. As a matter of simple fact, Don Jr. is a vile piece of human excrement, and I find your whole considered, dispassionate, chin-stroking approach to this nauseating. I suppose you considered that even the slightest hint of condemnation from yourself would be superfluous, did you?


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    #181
    AudreyHepburn
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    batgoat wrote: »
    Inspired by Breivik apparently.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/15/new-zealand-mosque-shooterbrenton-tarrant-says-attack-inspired/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    That right there tells you all you need to know about these people.


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