SPOILERS: We're Alive Discussion

5 episodes in and still nothing much has happened. Last two seasons would have crammed everything so far into no more than 2 episodes. Its starting to have a whiff of the walking dead about it. Holding pattern until someone comes up with a plan for the story. We have hardly seen a Z all season and when we did it was all over in seconds. I'm starting to worry....

beacause of the hood i wonder is it someone we know, skittles or someone from the tower maybe even lizzie but that doesnt explain how they got to be a gatekeeper for a pop up fruit farm.
i cant see the colony having a satelite garden so far from there base
i dont think its mallers either even though they found the address on one of them, maybe the mallers started the garden and left or found it set up and took over.
either way the hoodie cant be a maller it just doesnt feel right
so i really have more questions then answers so im going to hazard a guess that its lizzie/skittles in the hood


yeah i know if it is one of them why would they knock out saul

Anyone find the sound quality not as good as before? Finding it harder to hear the characters in places.

Kess73 wrote: »

It would have to be a straggler that had the time and resources to build a garden area, reinforce it, have had the time for plants to grow into full trees or the means to transport close to full sized fruit trees, plus the tech to alarm the garden and the tech to know when the alarm was tripped.

Oh yeah, plus the ability to outflank a trained soldier who has the experience of active duty in a real warzone before coming back to America.


Sounds a bit more than just a random straggler.

If it is not Skittles then it has to be someone or some group that were using that area for some time, and who has managed to remain undetected.

And given the fierce attacks that pounded and sometimes broke through the near permanent walls and barriers erected around the Tower fortress everytime they dropped a plant or sweated too much they better have a good explanation as to how some guy a few blocks over protected his garden with a low fence and a single motion sensor.

doctor evil wrote: »

Doesn't have to be someone who was with the garden from scratch. If not left/stayed behind by another group than it could be someone who fancied their chances by themselves from the start.

You don't have to be a trained combatant to survive, you just got to be selfish and smart.

True, but to easily get the drop on a trained and battle experienced combatant you would have to be either very lucky or very well trained.

It also had to be someone who had the equipment easily available to set up a silent alarm on the gate and also have the equipment to receive a signal from that alarm when tripped.

Also the fact the place was alarmed in the manner it was, suggests that it is a location that has been used for some time as a supplementary food source and that the food sources are being kept some distance from the stronghold/safehouse. The fact it took hours before someone turned up suggests that there is some distance from where the person started from to the fruit yard (even if some time scoping out the surrounding is taken into account) and it also suggests that the wireless alarm system is one that is good enough to send and receive a signal over distance in a city area full of obstructions.

The eagle has landed. I repeat, the eagle has landed.



Damn, there is no new episode next week or the week after that. March 6th is the next new episode.

Just started re-listening to the first season this week. Listening to one full chapter a night to see what might tie in with some of the later events.

Listened to Chapter five (Lady and the Tink) last night. The planned ambush which Burt, Saul, and Lizzie thought was defo the work of the zombies caught my ear. The one were Lizzie said that a zombie had to have driven a car to block a convoy.

It got me thinking that the convoy could be the people from tower three and that it was the mallers who attacked them and not the creatures. The smell of creature in the car could have come from a creature being inside that car sometime before or after the car was used as part of the ambush.

It is also very noticeable in that chapter that it is hard to drive around or fire a gun without bringing in swarms of creatures, yet in the new season Saul and Vic are driving around the city in a big truck with a loud diesel engine and there have been very few contacts with creatures.

Also the zombies like the look out one in chapter five season one seem to be forgotten about in terms of the story.

Plus the speed of the zombies seems to have changed. In chapter five Burt. Saul and Lizzie are in a car that is doing 50 mph (the characters mention the speed the car is doing during the chase) and the zombies are keeping up with it. But later in the series we have our survivors involved in foot chases wiuth the zombies that does not see the zombies catch them with ease.

Are they still on a break this week?

SUNGOD wrote: »

i think the writers deffinitely have the Zs responsible for that ambush.
they went into quite a bit of detail explaining why it was them and i dont think it is of any use to the plot if someone explains at this stage that they were wrong about something that happened so long ago and more importantly that has no bearing on current events.

also i think the reason its easier to move around make noise and dont see as many Zs is because i have tha feeling the Zs are on the move or they are regrouping/organising into some kind of structured force


on a different topic im guessing these Zs cant reproduce in the normal way so i wonder what kind of lifespan they have.
if its the same as humans then as long as some humans survive and reproduce the whole Zombie outbreak is one big waiting game

Listen to chapter 10, and Samantha mentions how their convoy was attacked first, and then their tower got hit. Had totally forgotten about that tower having a convoy that was hit, so that probably blows my earlier thoughts out of the water, and it has me now thinking that the woman Saul and Vic met may be from Samantha's tower as when she was talking to Datu in the arena she mentions how far ahead of Tower 1 they were in terms of figuring things out like the Zeds being attracted to sweat, in terms of growing food, and in terms of having the tower fortified.

Will probably listen to Chapter 11 tonight so must listen carefully as to what esle she says about Kalani.

deise go deo wrote: »

I think that the ease of movement that the characters are enjoying at the moment could be because of the attrition suffered by the Zombie Population in the locality of the tower.
Several engadgments with the tower it self, at least on large battle with the Mallers, what seems like constant attrition around the clonony as well as having their stadium blown up, all of which must have taken their toll on a population that can no longer to any significant degree increase its numbers.

As for those still around, I would imagin they are preparing to go after the Mallers for revenge.

I don't quite buy that because in the past even when Michael & co went a long distance from the towar (and from the arena etc) they always came across the creatures, and any kind of noise drew them in.

If we think back to when Michael, Pegs, and Kelly went to the coast and stayed by the beach. They still came across creatures then, and there was even some kind of aquatic creatures at that point.

The Colony is another area that was riddled with creatures and they were unable to keep the numbers down up to the point when Michael etc got there. And since then there was a bloody coup or at least an attempted coup at the colony so the human numbers there have to be down.

Plus when Michael etc were flying to the army base they saw huge numbers of the creatures in the city before they got to the army base so it all points to there being plenty of the creatures, plus if most of the population either became a creature or food for them, then there would most likely be plenty of nests in the area as the city and surrounding area had a population that ran into the millions.

Plus when after the tower came down Saul and Vic saw the gatherer creatures arrive to take away the bodies, so if they are still taking the bodies away, then they have to be still around and bringing them to another nest.

Just seems odd that in season three so far there has been plenty of noise. The helicopter landing (then staying in the same place for hours), Saul/Vic in their big loud diesel truck, the clash with the behemoth which involved a heavy calibre gun blasting away, the gun shot when Saul, tackled the woman by the fruit garden etc. But there has been really nothing more than screams in the distance from the creatures save for the behemoth.

I also don't get why there was never a behemoth attack on the tower as there have been a number of behemoths so far in the series, and even more odd is the fact the creatures never used the tiny version creatures to try and get into the tower. Those small things were fast, agile, and perfect for getting into small gaps in a defence.

Every since Michael's broken arm and the way he resurfaced after that, I have wondered if there was someone he knew in creature form that offers him a little protection from the full fury of the creatures in terms of attacks.

deise go deo wrote: »

I think we have to consider that the numbers of specialised creatures were very limited from the start, it was mentioned by the crazy guy that he thought that the Jumpers were all gone, I think it could have been that there was an experiement to create a new weapon in the form of creatures with super strenghts, and that those specialised creatures were all created before the outbreak, and that only normal creatures have be produced since.
Also, Despit the display of leadership and intelligence displayed at times, I think it is fair to assume that the Z's are still fairly disorganised, especially as you get further from the city. Comunication seems to be limited to a few forms of howls, so over long distance any effective organisation would be impossible.

My earlier point was not that the Z population was broken in the city, but just depleated in the vacinity of the tower.

Yeah but the vicinity of the tower is pretty much the only spot where there actually has been contacts in season three. The behemoth was near there, and the gatherer creatures were there.

As for the specialized creatures only being created before the outbreak. We don't actually know that. The tiny creatures only surfaced in season two as did the aquatic creatures. The behemoths have been in all three seasons, and the hospital in season two seemed to be some kind of specialized creature creation spot, and of course the arrow catching creature was there, and he also popped up inside tower 1 and also inside the other tower.

What Skittles said about the jumpers was that he had not seen them in a while.

There is also the possibility that the creatures may mutate over time to become one of the other types. Maybe based on certain characteristics they had whilst still human. Maybe runners become super fast creatures as we had creatures clocked at 50mph in season 1. Maybe body builders/weight lifters etc eventually mutate into behemoths and so on. It is not an outlandish theory seeing as the survivors already suspect that the smarter you were as a human then that trait carries over to when you are a creature.

To go back to the behemoths. We have seen them in the water works, the arena (more than one there it seems), back at the old army base when Angel returned there, and then after the tower fell.

It is the one after the tower fell that caught my ear, because that showed that there was still at least one of them around before the tower fell, and as such could have been used to break in as the behemoths go through solid walls easily enough.

Also the tower coming down, coupled with the noise of convoys (the mallers), helicopters and Saul/Vic in their truck should have been like a dinner bell ringing for creatures miles away. Every other gun battle/loud noise seemed to eventually draw in hordes of creatures. If the country/world has indeed fallen to the creatures, then there should be millions and millions of them (if not billions on a world scale) still around, and in a city as big as what the tower is in, there certainly would be millions so something should have been drawn to the noise imho.

Am quite enjoying going through season 1 chapter by chapter again though as every now and then there is something I had forgotten about regarding one character or another.

Oh yeah and on Kalani being a mole. I still think he was one and always have, but the arena parts of the story have planted a seed in my head that he may somehow be a creature mole of some sort. Four times Kalani had been in the same building at the same time as the arrow catching super creature. Four seperate locations, and each time he was present to see that creature. Just seems to be something in the storyline in that for me, otherwise why have that sort of link.

DakotaYoda wrote: »

Skittles, if I remember right, says something about the smart ones being "smarter" for a reason and has something to do w/ their previous occupation. Something about a badge one of them has, like an ID badge? Maybe I made that part up - just can't remember. Guessing that Z would have been a scientist or the like.

Anyway - if there is some kind of serum/drug that, in addition to it's other side affects like turning you undead, boosts already existing traits, like brains in a scientist, muscles in a weight lifter, speed in a runner, etc it would sure make sense.

To have that targeted of results it sure seems like we're dealing with a man made mess for sure...

Why noise isn't bringing them out - I don't know. Either they are planning something organized and BIG or they've just been lucky in terms of where the Z's where while they were making noise.

It was Burt who said about the id badge on one of the smart ones. He said it just after Saul and Angel rescued him in his gun shop.

deise go deo wrote: »

There was something earlier on, possibly skittels again, about the standard Z's not really mixing with the Behemoths.

Yep that was said during the visit to the army base by Angel and Kalani. Think it was when you see a behemoth that the other creatures stay away. Have not started relistening to season 2 yet but I defo remember Skittles saying something like that alright when they were all hiding in the water tower.

But that then flies in the face of the water works attack which had a behemoth and ordinary Zeds present, plus the arena had both mixing on the arena floor, and after Saul/Burt/michael arrived at the arena a behemoth came out and joined in the attack along with regular zeds.

doctor evil wrote: »

I think the Behemoths see the other creatures as lunch, after all, if you are the biggest etc?

When they were marching to the hospital did the creatures have the behemoths on chains I love the idea of the Little Ones, so creepy. Wouldn't mind hearing from Skittles again but don't think it will happen.

The one who caught areas, isn't he the fella with the tattoos who came from the mental portion of the hospital?
It would be interesting to know the organisation of these creatures in other areas where they may not a tattoo/striped figure.

Yep he is the same one that was on top of the building watching Burt/Saul/Lizzie when they were near Easter Bay Prison, the same one that was in the arena, the one who got inside both towers, and the fecker can speak and use things like the keycode on the door of the tower.

deise go deo wrote: »

I wounder how they will get Saul back together with the rest of the group? I would imagin they will have to eventually, I don't see it staying as two separate story lines till the end.

What I had forgotten about in the first season was many of the storylines had one of the characters talking about events in the past tense.

Michael says things like "if I had known then what was to come I would never have done X" and many of the other characters say similar things about other events.

It comes across very much like they were talking about things long after they happened, maybe even after everything was done and dusted.

deise go deo wrote: »

Thats true actually, I wounder did any of the characters who have been killed off do that?

Started chapter 12: The War last night as part of my relistening to the entire first season , and up to that point the characters who have spoken about incidents in the past tense are Saul, Michael, Riley, Burt, and Pegs. Might give season two a re-listen soon to see if that pattern continued.

deise go deo wrote: »

Actually I think the past tense narating stuff was them reading what they were writing into their Diary after the event to keep a record of what was going on.

Don't think so as it would have to mean that they are reading it after events in season two, as there were comments made that hinted at things that happened in season two, one such comment hinted at the end of the tower. So if they were passing comment as if reading from their diaries then it suggests that they are doing so at a date that would be after where/when they are in season 3 atm.

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