Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Water John wrote: »

Wondering have posters looked at Project Clover? This is the plan by the major processors to provide biomethane for milk processing.
They talk of 125 AD Plants each needing 22,000t of grass. Paying €30/t.
It is partly modelled on a French Programme called 4P1000.

It's not financially viable unless the EU started giving out extremely generous grants towards building and running these ad plants , 5 million capital cost for each plant plus the crazy running costs to produce a energy source that's over 500% dearer then the natural gas per kw they are using at present

jaymla627 wrote: »

It's not financially viable unless the EU started giving out extremely generous grants towards building and running these ad plants , 5 million capital cost for each plant plus the crazy running costs to produce a energy source that's over 500% dearer then the natural gas per kw they are using at present

500%??

rounders wrote: »

Hey lads, looking to get a decent pair of wellies for the father. Anyone have a pair they would recommend?

Came across a thread from 9 years ago and dunlop purofort were the recommendation

They're only fit for muzzling a calf, if you want your father shod to the standard his station deserves try here...
http://thewellyshop.com/wellies/le-chameau-wellies.html

rounders wrote: »

Hey lads, looking to get a decent pair of wellies for the father. Anyone have a pair they would recommend?

Came across a thread from 9 years ago and dunlop purofort were the recommendation

Skellerup are agreat wellies, dairygold have 35 euro of them at present on their coop superstore site usually around a 100 euro for 65

alps wrote: »

500%??

In our around 2 cent per kw its costing for natural gas at a dairy processing plant at present, in our around 15 cent per kw is the breakeven price per kw produced by a AD plant, if you think about the sheer amount of diesel burned to keep a AD plant running be it drawing in silage/maize/slurry, then drawing back out digestate and slurry it's just simply green washing at its finest so a nice PowerPoint presentation can be given by the likes of Siobhan Talbot about how their heading towards been carbon neutral for 2030 our whatever timeframe they have agreed too

alps wrote: »

Green washing would be an accurate description.

It's fair to point out that what the corporates behind this project clover want, are the emmissions offset that this gas can supply.

In their own words...farmers can export the slurry and we can claim the emmissions offset....

To be fair the slurry going into the AD plant would lower a farmers ammonia emissions massively depending on how much he supplies in, the costs involved though in carting slurry around the countryside into these plants would have to be covered by the co-op but I'd reckon they will want it foc, and that's where the entire thing falls apart

Going back to dairying, anyone use Kerosene to heat water for the dairy? Electric water heater here under pressure whole time with this none chlorine sh1te and time to look into a replacement.

jaymla627 wrote: »

To be fair the slurry going into the AD plant would lower a farmers ammonia emissions massively depending on how much he supplies in, the costs involved though in carting slurry around the countryside into these plants would have to be covered by the co-op but I'd reckon they will want it foc, and that's where the entire thing falls apart

FOC mightn’t be bad money for it. We charge 2cpl for importing slurry. We’d be choosy enough too because we only take duck, pig etc slurry...no dairy or veal slurry.

The other point of why I brought up Project clover was the grass input of 22,000t
for each AD Plant. Of the 125 proposed, IWT County Cork would need about 20 AD plants. Serious amount of land, drawing on the same pool that dairying will require when nitrate derogation comes to an end.

I read an article in the Farmers Journal earlier about DAFM wanting to increase the age for export calves to 28 days. The exporters have rejected the proposal on the grounds that it is more days than EU legislation requires for travelling calves, it will cause a welfare issue on farms and the Netherlands (our largest buyer) only buy calves up to 35 days.
Apparently they are discussing an 18 day old minimum age for export.
I cannot add the link as my Vodafone broadband is down and I’m using my phone. It is subscriber only.

3 the square wrote: »

Did you enquire about gas heaters ??

The problem I have with the gas is I have nowhere to fit the tank. I believe it has to be 5 metres away from any building. I wonder could you use those tall gas bottles.

straight wrote: »

The problem I have with the gas is I have nowhere to fit the tank. I believe it has to be 5 metres away from any building. I wonder could you use those tall gas bottles.

Wouldn’t that be another job to do replacing them every few weeks and risk of running out on a long weekend. Electric is very convenient

alps wrote: »

Derogation is not temporary per se...

It will be allowed where growing conditions warrant its acceptance....we have no problem passing on this..

It will be allowed where water quality is maintained or improved in cases where that is required.........this is our Achilles heel....but it is within our own scope to manage this...

But as a group, we are not really taking it serious enough..

I doubt if derogation will survive in the longer term. Derogation by its very meaning is, temporary relaxation of a rule. Derogation from rules crops up a good bit in Organic as well.

Mooooo wrote: »

Have you looked into a heat recovery until from the bulk tank compressors? Not sure of the roi but may be worth looking at.

I remember looking into afew renewable water heating solutions, solar heat pump etc also, and 2bh even with grants the payback is horrendous, 10yrs+. A heat recovery from the tank here won't nearly supply enough of a heat lift because I use a platecooler, so still need something else to heat rest the way. I've no real interest in needlessly complicating the whole system also.

Gas I haven't looked into and yep, bit messy leaving a big white gas tank in the middle of the yard in front of everything. Jay my problem with them Atlanta heaters before was the hard water here use to corrode the arse off them in no time, use to only get 6months or so out of them. I got a duel element 300l tank here the min for 1000ish that has worked well last 6 or 7 years so maybe just the same again.

Base price wrote: »

I read an article in the Farmers Journal earlier about DAFM wanting to increase the age for export calves to 28 days. The exporters have rejected the proposal on the grounds that it is more days than EU legislation requires for travelling calves, it will cause a welfare issue on farms and the Netherlands (our largest buyer) only buy calves up to 35 days.
Apparently they are discussing an 18 day old minimum age for export.
I cannot add the link as my Vodafone broadband is down and I’m using my phone. It is subscriber only.

Calves must be 21 days old before the agents will take them now. I’m not sure if it’s regulation or not. Doesn’t really matter now because there’s no market for them.

Isn't tail paint great? Did autumn calvers yesterday evening 3 with all paint gone off them this morning

whelan2 wrote: »

Isn't tail paint great? Did autumn calvers yesterday evening 3 with all paint gone off them this morning

It is great. And cheap. Not so great after the first 3 weeks though but still good

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Court cases like in the Journal this week don’t help - ticks all the negative boxes:

* repeat offender (slurry into the river on several occasions)
* big fish/biodiversity loss
* 1,000 cow herd

And I’m guessing the Inland Fisheries didn’t go straight to court without giving him a chance (or 2) to sort it out

Be interesting to know if he was in Bord Bia’s QA scheme?

Not for second condoning that farmer the fact he has. 1000 cows is irrelevant he polluted a river thru negligence he was caught and fined .....then there is co councils pumping and continuing to pump raw sewage into rivers and seas daily but there grand

mahoney_j wrote: »

Not for second condoning that farmer the fact he has. 1000 cows is irrelevant he polluted a river thru negligence he was caught and fined .....then there is co councils pumping and continuing to pump raw sewage into rivers and seas daily but there grand

Be grand...as a convicted polluter (no fish kills, no environmental damage whatsoever) the man wouldn’t be allowed farm under his own name, be a director of a farm or a farming company (including any other directors of the farming company), for life. A hefty fine that is reflective of the damage done, local radio reports and interviews, full acceptance of further litigation from angling clubs etc etc etc.
If there was a zero tolerance policy like that would it change anything?


What’s his name and where’s he from?

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Anyone know the details of the Young Farmer of the Year?
Total acres, stocking rates, amount of artificial fertilizer used, months of slurry storage etc etc?

By the look of the head on him if he caught a glimpse of himself in the mirror he'd try and have a go on himself

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Be grand...as a convicted polluter (no fish kills, no environmental damage whatsoever) the man wouldn’t be allowed farm under his own name, be a director of a farm or a farming company (including any other directors of the farming company), for life. A hefty fine that is reflective of the damage done, local radio reports and interviews, full acceptance of further litigation from angling clubs etc etc etc.
If there was a zero tolerance policy like that would it change anything?


What’s his name and where’s he from?

Many irons in many fires...new to dairying a couple of years before quota removal...

He's selling 420 kgMs this year. Bought the best cows you could get. Didn't compromise on price.

https://youtu.be/3LabN3MJuB4

My Co op average is 392 kg or something. It's fairly pathetic I think after widespread AI for generations.

straight wrote: »

He's selling 420 kgMs this year. Bought the best cows you could get. Didn't compromise on price.

https://youtu.be/3LabN3MJuB4

My Co op average is 392 kg or something. It's fairly pathetic I think after widespread AI for generations.

Widespread ai is a bit of a stretch an afull lot of stock bulls still in use and lots of poor ones too .agree on a coop average of 390 kgms been poor still too many herds carrying lots of crap cows building numbers or just carrying cows be better off not chasing numbers and selling the most kgms possible from less cows as efficiently as possible