Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

Manic Moran · 03-11-2018 7:24pm

The decline in illegal immigration appears to hav somewhat reversed. The total of 397,000 arrests of people crossing the Southern border last year was a fair bit higher than the 310,000 or so from the year before.

Regardless, even if the decline is a given, one could well make the argument that a third of a million people is still a very significant number which needs addressing, even if that number is not the staggeringly significant number of the year before, Arguing “it’s declining so it does not need addressing” seems to be of limited utility in the near term.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:25pm

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

I call bollix to this. People are not having kids due to high cost of having kids in the first world. So if ya want to let your kids live in squalor. That's fine. Have as many as you like.

Ding ding

Another upside-down hypocritical stance. If irish people decided to have no children tomorrow, in the vague hopes that it would free up housing and healthcare and improve jobs etc, sure the fools in charge would only fill the country up with non-irish people in their place, and much more besides.

Its a thought process that leads to a complete dead-end. Unless you count f&cking ourselves over for zero gain to be a great idea.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 7:25pm

mammajamma wrote: »

You need to lay off the drugs there !

Is this the joke I am overreacting to? You asking me to lay off the drugs? In what way is that supposed to be not-serious?

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 7:26pm

mammajamma wrote: »

Ding ding

Another upside-down hypocritical stance. If irish people decided to have no children tomorrow, in the vague hopes that it would free up housing and healthcare and improve jobs etc, sure the fools in charge would only fill the country up with non-irish people in their place, and much more besides.

Its a thought process that leads to a complete dead-end. Unless you count f&cking ourselves over for zero gain to be a great idea.

Typical Trumptard, lashing around insults like it's going out of fashion, and backtracking like a weak **** when actually challenged. Another flaky piece of ****.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 7:27pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Typical Trumptard, lashing around insults like it's going out of fashion, and backtracking like a weak **** when actually challenged. Another flaky piece of ****.

You’re very sane.

Dannyriver · 03-11-2018 7:28pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Throw boiling oil down on them!

The US helped create these hell holes by continually interfering with them since the 80's the citation below is from 2014

'U.S. intervention in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala may seem like a hazy memory now, but these countries used to feature prominently in our headlines. The civil war in El Salvador, for example, began in 1980 and only ended in 1992.

During much of that time the El Salvadorian people were subjected to death squads and massacres by their government — which was backed by the U.S. When President Reagan came into office, and America began spending billions in El Salvador. According to the national organization Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador, the U.S. spent more than $6 billion on direct military assistance to El Salvador’s repressive regime.'

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:31pm

Billy86 wrote: »

It would have saved you time to just admit you made it up.

If your guess was in any way educated, it would look at what happened when the Democratic party were in power from 2008-16, but that might not have been convenient as illegal border crossings and the number of illegals in the US went down year on year over that time (as they had been since the end of Bush Jr's tenure).

That's the problem with making uneducated guesses based on what you want to believe to be the truth, they tend to be very far off base.

So the immigrant population of the united states is booming "just because", huh? The European origin people are quickly on the road to being a minority themselves, due to no political reason?

Do the democrats rely on immigrant voters or not? What shape would they be in minus those votes?

How do you explain the direction that everything is taking?

I think that the lack of rational thought leads to demanding "proof", even when observed reality exists all around you.

If I stated that the sky is blue, maybe youre the type of person that needs documented proof.

Funny how it boils down to this, isn't it? I claim i'm making an educated guess, you claim its uneducated. That's the state of the world today. Someone is right though, and someone is wrong. Not every thing is a bloody opinion.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:32pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Typical Trumptard, lashing around insults like it's going out of fashion, and backtracking like a weak **** when actually challenged. Another flaky piece of ****.

"trumptard"! I don't even like the guy.

Be carful though, petal, I might have to report you for personal abuse :rolleyes:

Sweetemotion · 03-11-2018 7:33pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You’re very sane.

Careful now, he'll report you :pac:

Dannyriver · 03-11-2018 7:34pm

mammajamma wrote: »

The inference that I might need to be "told" something is stupid. With the little personal research I have done, it appears that the democrat party is purposefully playing down anything to do with these caravans, but that the intent is to sneak through the mid-term elections, and then start blasting their usual policies on immigration.

So if you want to know what they plan on doing, just look at their political stance over the last decade. They rely almost solely on immigrant/minority votes, and those groups of people want more of their own in the country. Democrats tow the line.

Its not rocket science to make an educated guess as to how they plan on addressing this.

All this Democrats v Republican nonsense from Irish people is sickening, why not call it as it is. The US governments have been continuously imperialistic war lords intent on bullying their way around the globe since WW 2 ...This is a US issue not Democrat v Republican. Both parties are culpable. Irish people supporting a nationalist like Trump that doesn t give 2 flying ****s about us is downright embarrassing.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:42pm

Dannyriver wrote: »

All this Democrats v Republican nonsense from Irish people is sickening, why not call it as it is. The US governments have been continuously imperialistic war lords intent on bullying their way around the globe since WW 2 ...This is a US issue not Democrat v Republican. Both parties are culpable. Irish people supporting a nationalist like Trump that doesn t give 2 flying ****s about us is downright embarrassing.

This is true, the importation of amercanisms is a bad turn for the country. I'd say its the same in most English-speaking countries unfortunately. I suppose the explanation is that the united states is heating up exponentially in a political sense, DUE to these existential problems. Its a bellwether that nothing is being solved.

I find that "the left", for want of better generalisation, are just useless. The ideas put forward are usually the height of hypocrisy, and just plain don't make any sense. Its fair to say that they have had the helm of society, rightly or wrongly, for well over a decade now. Hence the problems lie at there feet, so to speak.

On the other hand, you have "the right", and as distasteful as they can be sometimes, they have a tendency to actually focus on problems and attempt to provide answers. (one big sticking point appears to be climate change, however)

Between the two choices of thought, one is the lesser of two evils.

milltown · 03-11-2018 8:23pm

mammajamma wrote: »

This is true, the importation of amercanisms is a bad turn for the country. I'd say its the same in most English-speaking countries unfortunately. I suppose the explanation is that the united states is heating up exponentially in a political sense, DUE to these existential problems. Its a bellwether that nothing is being solved.

I find that "the left", for want of better generalisation, are just useless. The ideas put forward are usually the height of hypocrisy, and just plain don't make any sense. Its fair to say that they have had the helm of society, rightly or wrongly, for well over a decade now. Hence the problems lie at there feet, so to speak.

On the other hand, you have "the right", and as distasteful as they can be sometimes, they have a tendency to actually focus on problems and attempt to provide answers. (one big sticking point appears to be climate change, however)

Between the two choices of thought, one is the lesser of two evils.

The more of your posts on this topic that I read, the more you sound like one of those subversive Russian troll accounts trying to steer the US elections. I just can't figure out why you would bother with an Irish forum.

Trump is making a yuge deal out of this "invasion" ahead of the mid terms about an influx that won't arrive for about 40 days by conservative (no pun intended) estimates and that military intelligence has determined will probably number less than 1,400 when it reaches the US border. The military have decided that the greater risk is from civilian "militia" trying to help out.

Democrats have had ample opportunities over the past few decades to open the borders if they wanted to. Why would they wait until Trump to do so?

The whole thing is a distraction to mobilise GOP voters and hopefully make them forget about Trump's failure to deliver on promises made in the past.
No wall built. Hilary still at liberty. Medicare still a thing. Coal and steel not back. Etc. etc. etc.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 8:33pm

milltown wrote: »

The more of your posts on this topic that I read, the more you sound like one of those subversive Russian troll accounts trying to steer the US elections. I just can't figure out why you would bother with an Irish forum.

Trump is making a yuge deal out of this "invasion" ahead of the mid terms about an influx that won't arrive for about 40 days by conservative (no pun intended) estimates and that military intelligence has determined will probably number less than 1,400 when it reaches the US border. The military have decided that the greater risk is from civilian "militia" trying to help out.

Democrats have had ample opportunities over the past few decades to open the borders if they wanted to. Why would they wait until Trump to do so?

The whole thing is a distraction to mobilise GOP voters and hopefully make them forget about Trump's failure to deliver on promises made in the past.
No wall built. Hilary still at liberty. Medicare still a thing. Coal and steel not back. Etc. etc. etc.

The estimated numbers are absolutely all over the place, you cant take any very seriously. But it IS fair to say that they aren't small numbers, and that they are encouraging similar movements of people.

If the democrats had such a steady hand on everything, the united states wouldnt be the way it is today, they didn't have to openly declare "no borders" when there was a very large amount of people going in anyway. Simple as that. Immigration is a very serious issue regardless of political slants, so trying to overplay one slant while underplay another slant is hardly credible.

It is an existential problem, and my inference is that the people who held power for the last decade approximately, are to blame, either for encouraging it, or for ignoring it.

So if you accept that trump is being loud to mobilise the European origin people, then its common sense to assume that the democrats are being supremely quiet in order to satisfy their non-European origin people. Common sense. Two sides of a coin, but one real issue.

Oh and that's the first time I've been likened to a Russian troll

JohnMc1 · 03-11-2018 8:52pm

mammajamma wrote: »

Ding ding

Another upside-down hypocritical stance. If irish people decided to have no children tomorrow, in the vague hopes that it would free up housing and healthcare and improve jobs etc, sure the fools in charge would only fill the country up with non-irish people in their place, and much more besides.

Its a thought process that leads to a complete dead-end. Unless you count f&cking ourselves over for zero gain to be a great idea.

The fact that the West stopped having children opened us up to the "We NEED these people." and the whole "They'll pay our pensions", "They'll do the jobs [Insert Nationality] doesn't want to do.",etc we've heard them all by now.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 10:24pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The fact that the West stopped having children opened us up to the "We NEED these people." and the whole "They'll pay our pensions", "They'll do the jobs [Insert Nationality] doesn't want to do.",etc we've heard them all by now.

People in Europe didn't just stop having children for no reason. One of the biggest factors was expense. Look at how much a home costs, how much childcare costs.

Why did it get so expensive? In a word, globalisation. China and the like aren't creating money and becoming filthy rich out of nowhere, they've essentially nicked our businesses and wealth creation.

So when the answer to the problem of Europe not having children (globalisation) is answered by some lunatic offering mass immigration (more globalisation), you know you're being taken for the ultimate ride.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 10:49pm

Now, some of the migrants have files a court action against Trump and the United States.

From cnbc
Honduran migrants traveling in a caravan to seek asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border are suing President Donald Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and other key figures, arguing the administration's stance is "shockingly unconstitutional."

The class-action civil suit, filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., claims Trump "continues to abuse the law, including constitutional rights, to deter Central Americans from exercising their lawful right to seek asylum in the United States."

How are lawyers and political figures communicating with homeless, moving migrants?

With people in your own country willing to back this, who needs enemies?

Sweetemotion · 03-11-2018 10:50pm

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

I call bollix to this. People are not having kids due to high cost of having kids in the first world. So if ya want to let your kids live in squalor. That's fine. Have as many as you like.

I think you have misunderstood me a little. I was more thinking we have less kids because our health system is much better and we have a better quality of life compared to third world countries who have so many children in the hope that the ones who survive could provide for them in old age.

As for those clowns who say we need mass immigration in Europe because our birth rate is so low and how are we going to pension etc. They can feck right off we have a population of nearly 750,000,000 already.

JohnMc1 · 03-11-2018 11:15pm

mammajamma wrote: »

Now, some of the migrants have files a court action against Trump and the United States.

From cnbc
Honduran migrants traveling in a caravan to seek asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border are suing President Donald Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and other key figures, arguing the administration's stance is "shockingly unconstitutional."

The class-action civil suit, filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., claims Trump "continues to abuse the law, including constitutional rights, to deter Central Americans from exercising their lawful right to seek asylum in the United States."

How are lawyers and political figures communicating with homeless, moving migrants?

With people in your own country willing to back this, who needs enemies?

Someone is clearly orchestrating this. Plus they're not even on American soil yet. They are not guaranteed protection under the Constitution.

shady acres · 03-11-2018 11:27pm

open borders worked in germany
only 2000 german teenage girls raped by ILLEGAL FUKKING IMMIGRANTS
only 300 taxpayaing german citizens MURDERED BY ILLEGEAL ****ING IMMIGRANTS

collateral damage

03-11-2018 11:30pm

shady acres wrote: »

open borders worked in germany
only 2000 german teenage girls raped by ILLEGAL FUKKING IMMIGRANTS
only 300 taxpayaing german citizens MURDERED BY ILLEGEAL ****ING IMMIGRANTS

collateral damage

Seems relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sjaEDJ65k

shady acres · 03-11-2018 11:47pm

proudboy wrote: »

That's the second time you've posted that on the thread. Its still not funny. Get some new material.

did u see the video of a fifteen year old german girl gettting her face cut off by an IL;LEGEL IMIIGRANT
ITS ON LIVELEAK

JohnMc1 · 03-11-2018 11:51pm

shady acres wrote: »

open borders worked in germany
only 2000 german teenage girls raped by ILLEGAL FUKKING IMMIGRANTS
only 300 taxpayaing german citizens MURDERED BY ILLEGEAL ****ING IMMIGRANTS

collateral damage

Remember folks. That's their culture and we have to respect it.

up for anything · 04-11-2018 12:46am

mammajamma wrote: »

And seeing as we're out of time-machines, what outcome do you see in reality?

Not to mention they already passed through several safe countries, so whats up with that?

Oh FFS, not you again!! You and your friends only purpose in registering on Boards is to create threads like this. I hope the end of half-term will see the end of you

irishproduce · 04-11-2018 12:49am

The media should be doing more to condemn the caravaners.
They are instead encouraging it, it is reckless of the media to do so in my opinion.

batgoat · 04-11-2018 1:40am

irishproduce wrote: »

The media should be doing more to condemn the caravaners.
They are instead encouraging it, it is reckless of the media to do so in my opinion.

Condemning human desperation to offer their families better and safer lives? The media isn't encouraging, they're simply reporting it...

04-11-2018 1:43am

proudboy wrote: »

That's the second time you've posted that on the thread. Its still not funny. Get some new material.

Sorry dad? :pac:

Sweetemotion · 04-11-2018 2:04am

batgoat wrote: »

Condemning human desperation to offer their families better and safer lives? The media isn't encouraging, they're simply reporting it...

Your emotional naivety fails when reports suggest that 3 quarters of the caravan are actually adult males.

backspin. · 04-11-2018 2:19am

shady acres wrote: »

please bbc tell that to the family of the 15 year old girl who had her face hacked off by AN ILLEGAL FUKKING IMMIGRANTUHIKIUHI

What was that about

04-11-2018 2:23am

backspin. wrote: »

What was that about

Isn’t it obvious? He doesn’t like ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTUHIKIUHIS

Danzy · 04-11-2018 11:15am

batgoat wrote: »

Condemning human desperation to offer their families better and safer lives? The media isn't encouraging, they're simply reporting it...

Nice spin on a free market approach that would be too extreme for Thatcher.

She should have described her approach as empathic,it seems to work for people like Merkel.

Shenshen · 04-11-2018 11:37am

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Your emotional naivety fails when reports suggest that 3 quarters of the caravan are actually adult males.

I don't know about you, but I would kind of hope that underage females would NOT be the demographic having to support their partners and children.

Shenshen · 04-11-2018 11:47am

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Remember folks. That's their culture and we have to respect it.

We don't. We prosecute them and punish them.

The Germans even changed their legislation to make non-consensual groping in public a sexual offense, all thanks to immigrants.

realitykeeper · 04-11-2018 11:59am

A couple of things to be said here. Firstly, central/south America are non English speaking which is a good thing because the English imposed their language on the Irish so I like non English speaking peoples. Secondly, they tend to be Catholic or at least not protestant and not muslim so that would be another plus in my book. However, that is bye the bye - crucially, I think they are making a mistake going to the US just as people from the middle east/Africa might be making a mistake coming to Europe. The reason I think they are making a mistake is because the US and Europe will become economic basket cases when the fiat money they are printing becomes worthless. Many of these poor countries owe their debts in US dollars and at present the rising US interest rates are strengthening the US dollar to the detriment of these poor countries. When the US dollar collapses, things will improve for the poor countries with dollar denominated debt and of course they will get a lot worse in the US where these poor people are heading.

I reckon there could be a lot of Venezuelan`s travelling with the caravan.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 04-11-2018 12:00pm

shady acres wrote: »

open borders worked in germany
only 2000 german teenage girls raped by ILLEGAL FUKKING IMMIGRANTS
only 300 taxpayaing german citizens MURDERED BY ILLEGEAL ****ING IMMIGRANTS

collateral damage

Mod note: shady acres, banned from AH for 24 hours. We have no need for this rubbish here,

Buford T. Justice

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-11-2018 2:13pm

Shenshen wrote: »

We don't. We prosecute them and punish them.

The Germans even changed their legislation to make non-consensual groping in public a sexual offense, all thanks to immigrants.

Go away with your sense and reason, we're trying to get some nice outrage and foam at the mouth hysteria going here.
Maybe try "dem immiggranths ar wot is rappin dem.womrn an Anglela is helpink dem wit it!!!11!??1112!!!"
If your IQ is over 50 you're not allowed to post in this thread.
As for Germany, it's not the right that has gained the most, but the lefties and green party.
Like so much sh*t on the bowl, it'll be gone after a few more flushed.

JohnMc1 · 04-11-2018 2:22pm

Shenshen wrote: »

We don't. We prosecute them and punish them.

The Germans even changed their legislation to make non-consensual groping in public a sexual offense, all thanks to immigrants.

I know, but that was the Liberal spin for a time.

Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 3:07am

Unconfirmed sources saying the clown from "IT" is in the Caravan...

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Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 3:22am

Unconfirmed reports that ISIS terrorists are in the Caravan...

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Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 3:33am

Unconfirmed reports that North Korean Special Forces are in the Caravan...

Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 3:39am

Unconfirmed reports that Mexican Drug Lords are in the Caravan...

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hatrickpatrick · 05-11-2018 3:58am

Unconfirmed reports that Conor McGregor is in the Caravan...

Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 7:48am

Unconfirmed reports that Harvey Weinstein is in the Caravan...

Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 8:04am

Unconfirmed reports that an Alien has infiltrated and is now part of the Caravan...

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ConnyMcDavid · 05-11-2018 8:19am

It puts to shame these people who train for the camino santiago. Thousands of starving and poor women and children can just do the same. Wondering are they availing of the luggage transportation.

Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 8:32am

Unconfirmed reports that Sinead O'Connor is in the Caravan...

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2018 8:47am

Unconfirmed reports that cuthulu is joining the caravan

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greenspurs · 05-11-2018 10:28am

Unconfirmed reports of lots of trucks heading that way .....

Rawr · 05-11-2018 10:31am

Unconfirmed reports that Donald Trump is in the Caravan...

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BrokenArrows · 05-11-2018 11:12am

Akrasia wrote: »

Lads, these aren't illegal immigrants. They're asylum seekers. They're refugees. They're trying to get to the US border so they can lodge their applications and stay in the country legally.

If they wanted to sneak into the country, they're going about it in a very wierd way.

Europe take in about a million of refugees a year, America, should be waking up to it's responsibilities that it has signed up to through it's membership of the UNHCR and international human rights treaties.

The solution to refugee crisis is to tackle the reasons why these people are forced to leave their countries.

They have already passed through multiple safer countries where they could have lodged their application

Kermit.de.frog · 05-11-2018 12:51pm

Unconfirmed reports that Russian soldiers have joined the Caravan...

Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

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