Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

Nermal · 03-11-2018 3:57pm

wexie wrote: »

And quite frankly I'm finding it hard to see much of a difference between this particular caravan of people trying to reach the US and the many famine ships that would have been doing the exact same thing a couple of hundred years ago.

There isn't a difference. But if you want to see how that policy worked out for the natives, you'll have to visit an Indian reservation.

green shoots wrote: »

Population explosion in Africa right now is going to see boat after boat after boat flowing into Europe by hook or by crook.

Tow the boats back to Africa.

wexie · 03-11-2018 3:59pm

Nermal wrote: »

There isn't a difference. But if you want to see how that policy worked out for the natives, you'll have to visit an Indian reservation.

green shoots · 03-11-2018 4:03pm

Nermal wrote: »

There isn't a difference. But if you want to see how that policy worked out for the natives, you'll have to visit an Indian reservation.

Tow the boats back to Africa.

How can we possibly monitor the entire Med? At the end of the day, this is a global problem whether we like it or not.

Manic Moran · 03-11-2018 4:07pm

wexie wrote: »

And quite frankly I'm finding it hard to see much of a difference between this particular caravan of people trying to reach the US and the many famine ships that would have been doing the exact same thing a couple of hundred years ago.

The analogy is fair, but there is one significant difference from the perspective of the migrants.

When the Irish migrated, they took their gamble on the basis that they knew there was an excellent chance that when they got to the other end, they could start working on their improved life. The US was expanding, it needed anyone it could get who could swing a pickaxe, farm the land, or carry a musket. So for the Irish, it was worth the trip. The caravans of today are making their gamble with the knowledge that the US’s immigration needs and policies have changed, and that when they reach the border they are not likely to be lawfully admitted. They have no reasonable expectation of the opportunity to make that better life in the US.

So the logical question then becomes... what do they intend to do when they get to the border? Of the last major caravan heading to the US, only about a third actually presented themselves to border patrol for admission. (Coincidentally, generally the third with the best arguments for admission). The rest, either decided that Tijuana or Ciudad were great places to settle (they aren’t) or they dispersed to the services of coyotes to try to make it over the border through other means. CBP arrested some 15,000 families (not people, not counting non-family groups, just families) last month trying to make it across, and presumably they didn’t get them all. Coyote is a lucrative and burgouning business.

The conclusion I think that most people have to come to is that though they may be driven by a reasonable desire for a better life, the very first act for most of them is going to be to deliberately disregard the sovereignty and laws of the nation they are planning to settle in. This is a notable moral distinction between today’s caravans, and the famine ships.

RobbingBandit · 03-11-2018 4:08pm

Military have been told shoot to kill if anybody is singing west side story or Neil diamond

4068ac1elhodqr · 03-11-2018 4:09pm

green shoots wrote: »

Genuine what?

Refugees?

green shoots wrote: »

They're [economically] poor and desperate [for big TVs]

[FYP]. Economic migrants are often poor and desperate for a better life, yes correct.

green shoots wrote: »

Which US Embassies?

Probably the offical ones, with the big flag waving outside

green shoots wrote: »

In other sh*tholes like Mexico? Their lives will hardly improve there will they?

So no-one ever, ever, ever can create a decent life for themselves in Mexico?
Maybe the whole entire country should vacate itself and turn the lights off.
Just leave that Mex GDP of 1.15(tr) USD behind also on a scrapheap.

Most of these folks are already fluent in Spanish, so could be ideal place to start.

antietam1 · 03-11-2018 4:17pm

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/its-incredible-unreal-judge-throws-out-personal-injury-claims-for-120000-over-car-filled-with-smoke-37487420.html
Do we need immigrants like the above, coming over here crashing into our lovely trees and not taking our jobs.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 4:21pm

This caravan is a distraction from Trump to turn attention away from their continuing attempts to slash billions from the US healthcare pool to fund his preposterous tax cuts for the 2% very wealthy in the US.

Nothing more than that.

There is a process for asylum seekers in the US which will be followed as always.

Distraction. The boogeymen at the border. Nothing more than that.

wexie · 03-11-2018 4:27pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

The conclusion I think that most people have to come to is that though they may be driven by a reasonable desire for a better life, the very first act for most of them is going to be to deliberately disregard the sovereignty and laws of the nation they are planning to settle in. This is a notable moral distinction between today’s caravans, and the famine ships.

That's a very fair point and I can't disagree. I'd have to wonder though it that notable moral distinction so clearly visible to you and me from the comfort of our internet equipped homes perhaps is a little harder to see from by the side of the road somewhere in Mexico while struggling to keep your family together and alive.

Having said that, I don't believe these people should simply be let in, while the majority may well go on to lead perfectly law abiding lives if let in it would send completely the wrong message and would simply lead to more and more of these caravans.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 4:28pm

Man, the standard of posting in AH has gone down something rotten over the past 4 years or so. It is pure right wing loonies now.

Pkiernan · 03-11-2018 4:31pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

This caravan is a distraction from Trump to turn attention away from their continuing attempts to slash billions from the US healthcare pool to fund his preposterous tax cuts for the 2% very wealthy in the US.

Nothing more than that.

There is a process for asylum seekers in the US which will be followed as always.

Distraction. The boogeymen at the border. Nothing more than that.

From some lefty student who has never lived near the Mexican border.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 4:51pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

This caravan is a distraction from Trump to turn attention away from their continuing attempts to slash billions from the US healthcare pool to fund his preposterous tax cuts for the 2% very wealthy in the US.

Nothing more than that.

There is a process for asylum seekers in the US which will be followed as always.

Distraction. The boogeymen at the border. Nothing more than that.

You’re saying that Trump organised the caravan?

Huge if true.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 4:57pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal93-844-25162-1104265

Bill Clinton had the right idea:

"The simple fact is that we must not and we will not surrender our borders to those who wish to exploit our history of compassion and justice. We cannot tolerate those who traffic in human cargo, nor can we allow our people to be endangered by those who would enter our country to terrorize Americans. But the solution to the problem of illegal immigration is not simply to close our borders.

The solution is to welcome legal immigrants and legal, legitimate refugees and to turn away those who do not obey the laws. We must say no to illegal immigration so we can continue to say yes to legal immigration.

Today, we send a strong and clear message. We will make it tougher for illegal aliens to get into our country. We will treat organizing a crime syndicate to smuggle aliens as a serious crime. And we will increase the number of border patrol, equipping and training them to be first-class law enforcement officers."

This speech got a standing ovation.

This is an example of how the response to Trump has radicalised the left. There’s a similar speech by Obama. The radicalisation of trump has radicalised the left.

Harika · 03-11-2018 5:01pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You’re saying that Trump organised the caravan?

Huge if true.

He blows it out of proportion. They will arrive earliest in 3-4months and then the usual asylum process starts. To send the army now, is pure alarmism for the midterms.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 5:03pm

Harika wrote: »

He blows it out of proportion. They will arrive earliest in 3-4months and then the usual asylum process starts. To send the army now, is pure alarmism for the midterms.

Oh certainly he’s doing that.

The guy I was responding to seemed to say the caravan was a trump invention.

Odhinn · 03-11-2018 5:04pm

Dan Shaw wrote: »

Lidl are doing a great deal on tinfoil hats atm, just to let you know.

Sales of pitchforks and pitch soaked torches are also on the rise.

Outlaw Pete · 03-11-2018 5:38pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Imagine sending your army to defend your countries border

The man has gone completely insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDwt5UNV_4

archer22 · 03-11-2018 5:45pm

It's ironic though that the people moving north are of native American ancestry and are now classed as "invaders" by those whose origins are the foreigners who came there in real invading caravans.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 5:47pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Oh certainly he’s doing that.

The guy I was responding to seemed to say the caravan was a trump invention.

What?

He's referring to me. He is suggesting that I implied the caravan was invented by Trump.

Here is my post: "This caravan is a distraction from Trump to turn attention away from their continuing attempts to slash billions from the US healthcare pool to fund his preposterous tax cuts for the 2% very wealthy in the US.

Nothing more than that.

There is a process for asylum seekers in the US which will be followed as always.

Distraction. The boogeymen at the border. Nothing more than that.

"

Pure lies. Lies upon lies upon lies.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 6:08pm

archer22 wrote: »

It's ironic though that the people moving north are of native American ancestry and are now classed as "invaders" by those whose origins are the foreigners who came there in real invading caravans.

There’s a fair amount of Spainish blood in there too.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 6:10pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

What?

He's referring to me. He is suggesting that I implied the caravan was invented by Trump.

Here is my post: "This caravan is a distraction from Trump to turn attention away from their continuing attempts to slash billions from the US healthcare pool to fund his preposterous tax cuts for the 2% very wealthy in the US.

Nothing more than that.

There is a process for asylum seekers in the US which will be followed as always.

Distraction. The boogeymen at the border. Nothing more than that.

"

Pure lies. Lies upon lies upon lies.

The problem is you are unable to write coherently or clearly.

This statement:

“This caravan is a distraction from Trump to turn attention”

Implies that the caravan was caused by trump.

You probably meant to say that the reaction from trump was a distraction.

The caravan itself is supported by left wing media.

JohnMc1 · 03-11-2018 6:11pm

green shoots wrote: »

Genuine what? They're poor and desperate. Which US Embassies? In other sh*tholes like Mexico? Their lives will hardly improve there will they?

So this is the NPCs I've been hearing about.

Its not our responsibility or obligation to make people's lives better. And they certainly don't have the right to just waltz into our Countries. If we can make Countries worth living in then they can do the same with theirs.

Billy86 · 03-11-2018 6:17pm

Illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border have been on the decline since George W. Bush was in office, this just goes to show what a weak leader and comical failure Trump is. Despite running on the laughable idea of a big wall to "stopping all those illegals", it looks like he's now overseeing what even his own supporters seem to think is one of the largest insurgencies of illegal immigrants the country has ever witnessed. :pac:

But hey, at least Donald is managing to encourage domestic terrorism and get citizens of his own country to murder each other in the process (the synagogue terrorist attack was over the Jewish community's role in helping refugees), so... there's that? Winning, right?

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 6:17pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The problem is you are unable to write coherently or clearly.

This statement:

“This caravan is a distraction from Trump to turn attention”

Implies that the caravan was caused by trump.

You probably meant to say that the reaction from trump was...

The caravan itself is supported by left wing media.

Jesus Christ.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 6:19pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

So this is the NPCs I've been hearing about.

Its not our responsibility or obligation to make people's lives better. And they certainly don't have the right to just waltz into our Countries. If we can make Countries worth living in then they can do the same with theirs.

This is fundamentally true.

As a nation becomes "better off", you can certainly offer help to those less well-off.

But the idea that Ireland, or many other countries for that matter, are improving for the common man is a lie. Jobs security and stability are nearly things of the past, housing is a joke and healthcare is hanging on by a thread. These things probably explain why our birth-rates are dropping off a cliff too.

So no, I have absolutely zero responsibility to help out people from far-flung corners of the planet when my own country is seemingly on the ropes. Nevermind that "helping" in this instance will directly contribute to worsening conditions in housing, health and jobs here and elsewhere.

Its a nut-cracker of an idea. Cloud 9 level thinking.

Harika · 03-11-2018 6:23pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border have been on the decline since George W. Bush was in office, this just goes to show what a weak leader and comical failure Trump is. Despite running on the laughable idea of a big wall to "stopping all those illegals", it looks like he's now overseeing what even his own supporters seem to think is one of the largest insurgencies of illegal immigrants the country has ever witnessed. :pac:

That's a really good point.
He is just the one to protecting America alone.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 6:23pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

What’s upsetting you now? You probably need to write more coherently and write more to explain your position.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 6:24pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border have been on the decline since George W. Bush was in office, this just goes to show what a weak leader and comical failure Trump is. Despite running on the laughable idea of a big wall to "stopping all those illegals", it looks like he's now overseeing what even his own supporters seem to think is one of the largest insurgencies of illegal immigrants the country has ever witnessed. :pac:

But hey, at least Donald is managing to encourage domestic terrorism and get citizens of his own country to murder each other in the process (the synagogue terrorist attack was over the Jewish community's role in helping refugees), so... there's that? Winning, right?

Regardless of whether he is making a bigger deal of it or not, the fact remains that it is reality. Look at Europe too. Even if it slowed down somewhat from ridiculous numbers, to only semi-ridiculous numbers, whats the end-game? A neverending march of people from one place to the other?

The mass movement of people is happening. There is ZERO plan in place, anywhere, to prevent or cure it.

So regardless of political gains and losses, it is still a very real and imminent problem.

You pointing out that some dude shot other dudes in a country has precisely FA to do with the issue at hand.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-11-2018 6:28pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border have been on the decline since George W. Bush was in office, this just goes to show what a weak leader and comical failure Trump is. Despite running on the laughable idea of a big wall to "stopping all those illegals", it looks like he's now overseeing what even his own supporters seem to think is one of the largest insurgencies of illegal immigrants the country has ever witnessed. :pac:

That’s true that illegal immigration is down. I’m still not getting how trump is responsible for the caravan’s existance though.

*** sinister music ****

Maybe it’s the Russians.

Billy86 · 03-11-2018 6:34pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border have been on the decline since George W. Bush was in office, this just goes to show what a weak leader and comical failure Trump is. Despite running on the laughable idea of a big wall to "stopping all those illegals", it looks like he's now overseeing what even his own supporters seem to think is one of the largest insurgencies of illegal immigrants the country has ever witnessed. :pac:

That’s true that illegal immigration is down. I’m still not getting how trump is responsible for the caravan’s existance though.

*** sinister music ****

Maybe it’s the Russians.

The same Russians that the moderators of the Irish reddit had to warn people about leading up to our own election? Or different Russians?

Rather than doing anything effective to stop it, all he's managing is to do is lie about it being full of middle easterners (because dog whistles are like heroin to his supporters, even if they make no sense) and getting his own citizens to commit terrorist attacks and murder each other as a result.

2 Scoops · 03-11-2018 6:36pm

How strangely accurate. Winter is Trumping

Billy86 · 03-11-2018 6:37pm

mammajamma wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border have been on the decline since George W. Bush was in office, this just goes to show what a weak leader and comical failure Trump is. Despite running on the laughable idea of a big wall to "stopping all those illegals", it looks like he's now overseeing what even his own supporters seem to think is one of the largest insurgencies of illegal immigrants the country has ever witnessed. :pac:

But hey, at least Donald is managing to encourage domestic terrorism and get citizens of his own country to murder each other in the process (the synagogue terrorist attack was over the Jewish community's role in helping refugees), so... there's that? Winning, right?

Regardless of whether he is making a bigger deal of it or not, the fact remains that it is reality. Look at Europe too. Even if it slowed down somewhat from ridiculous numbers, to only semi-ridiculous numbers, whats the end-game? A neverending march of people from one place to the other?

The mass movement of people is happening. There is ZERO plan in place, anywhere, to prevent or cure it.

So regardless of political gains and losses, it is still a very real and imminent problem.

You pointing out that some dude shot other dudes in a country has precisely FA to do with the issue at hand.

It has everything to do with the issue at hand, because this is all that is being achieved with the supposed "saviour" of the US from the same illegal immigration that has been in decline for over a decade. When you've got a supposedly huge issue like this at the door, it helps to have more than a hapless fraud in charge.

JohnMc1 · 03-11-2018 6:41pm

mammajamma wrote: »

This is fundamentally true.

As a nation becomes "better off", you can certainly offer help to those less well-off.

But the idea that Ireland, or many other countries for that matter, are improving for the common man is a lie. Jobs security and stability are nearly things of the past, housing is a joke and healthcare is hanging on by a thread. These things probably explain why our birth-rates are dropping off a cliff too.

So no, I have absolutely zero responsibility to help out people from far-flung corners of the planet when my own country is seemingly on the ropes. Nevermind that "helping" in this instance will directly contribute to worsening conditions in housing, health and jobs here and elsewhere.

Its a nut-cracker of an idea. Cloud 9 level thinking.

We [as in US and Europe] have been giving these countries [and Continent in Africa's case] money to prop them up [via charities or tax funded financial aid] for decades and they are still poor. Now we're in the dilemma of if we just say screw it cut off all aid and let them figure things out for themselves the bleeding hearts will be on about how we want children to die [they're first response when people talk about reforming entitlement programs. ]or cut them off completely and they eventually revolt against their Govts that have been hoarding the money and aid that we have been sending for all these decades.

Something will have to be done eventually. We can't keep up the "They can always come to America or Europe" much longer. As you pointed out our Health services is barely able to accommodate the current population. It will be broken by the time Varadkar gets his 1 million extra people in his 2040 plan. Plus the Social Welfare system will dry up at some point as well.

wexie · 03-11-2018 6:45pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Rather than doing anything effective to stop it, all he's managing is to do is lie about it being full of middle easterners (because dog whistles are like heroin to his supporters, even if they make no sense) and getting his own citizens to commit terrorist attacks and murder each other as a result.

That could be true though??!! It's the Saudi's financing this whole thing to try to get this nasty Khashoggi business off the front pages.

The middle easterners in the actual caravan are just there to drop body parts along the way, kinda like breadcrumbs

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 6:49pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s true that illegal immigration is down. I’m still not getting how trump is responsible for the caravan’s existance though.

*** sinister music ****

Maybe it’s the Russians.

Nobody has suggested, jesus christ, that Trump organised the caravan.

Do I actually have to state that? Yes, it seems I do.

What posters are suggesting, and try and pay attention now, I will use simple words, is that Trump is Talking About The Caravan To Divert Attention From His Poicies To Crush The Medicaid Funds To Fund His Tax Cut For 2% Very Wealthy Americans.

Caravan of Honduran families = very dangerous
Cutting billions from Medicaid = good
Deploying 15,000 soldiers to deserted border over Christmas = good
Black people elected = bad.
Black women elected = very bad.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 6:54pm

wexie wrote: »

That could be true though??!! It's the Saudi's financing this whole thing to try to get this nasty Khashoggi business off the front pages.

The middle easterners in the actual caravan are just there to drop body parts along the way, kinda like breadcrumbs

1. The Saudis have been funding the US since the late 1980s.
2. The caravan is unremarkable. It happens all the time. It is zero threat to the USA, as always.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:02pm

Billy86 wrote: »

It has everything to do with the issue at hand, because this is all that is being achieved with the supposed "saviour" of the US from the same illegal immigration that has been in decline for over a decade. When you've got a supposedly huge issue like this at the door, it helps to have more than a hapless fraud in charge.

As far as I am aware, the democratic partys solution is to just let them all in and legalise them. Procedure or not. As the "people of X origin" increase in numbers within a country, its the most expected thing in the world that they will collectively push for MORE "people of X origin" to join them. Its colonialism with a new twist.

That would be cataclysmically wrong going forward. There are already other caravans forming and moving toward their border. Imagine if they get word that they'll all just be allowed in?

So, with that in mind, no matter how off his rocker Trump may be, its surely better than the other option. Even if its all only hot air, its still better.

The only reason there is a schism within American society regarding modern immigration is BECAUSE they have allowed so much immigration. They are a divided nation of different opposing groups of people, and this is symbolic of where they are now, one group versus another.

Why isn't Ireland like that? Split down the middle on just about every issue? I think perhaps the most important reason is that we are still a vast majority of population. Watch that go down, watch problems increase.

Diversity = division and antagonism.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 7:02pm

What a relief it will be when an actual President replaces Trump. What a sigh of relief will ripple over the US, the World and the Financial Markets.

The boom to the US economy will be enormous.

Jail terms for Kushner, Trump Junior, Roger Stone will only enhance the US's position as the new age dawns. Back into the Paris Accord. The US setting the standard for renewable energies. The economy buzzing from the US's total conviction and investment into renewable energies.

US Entreprenuers setting the standards, breaking down walls. The entire nation buzzing and leading the way into the new world of zero carbon emissions and rolling back years of destruction.

Women and minorities emboldened and on equal wages, young black girls growing up to be the next CEOs. The US leading the way as the most progressive, flexible dynamic nation in the world.

I hope my daughter sees this.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:04pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

We [as in US and Europe] have been giving these countries [and Continent in Africa's case] money to prop them up [via charities or tax funded financial aid] for decades and they are still poor. Now we're in the dilemma of if we just say screw it cut off all aid and let them figure things out for themselves the bleeding hearts will be on about how we want children to die [they're first response when people talk about reforming entitlement programs. ]or cut them off completely and they eventually revolt against their Govts that have been hoarding the money and aid that we have been sending for all these decades.

Something will have to be done eventually. We can't keep up the "They can always come to America or Europe" much longer. As you pointed out our Health services is barely able to accommodate the current population. It will be broken by the time Varadkar gets his 1 million extra people in his 2040 plan. Plus the Social Welfare system will dry up at some point as well.

To sum up, its insanity. A definition of unsustainability that leads to bigger and worse problems.

Billy86 · 03-11-2018 7:04pm

mammajamma wrote: »

As far as I am aware, the democratic partys solution is to just let them all in and legalise them. Procedure or not.

Really? Where did you read this, or who told it to you?

sonic85 · 03-11-2018 7:05pm

Sure isn't the same thing happening at the Croatia Bosnia border? A load of economic migrants demanding to be admitted into the EU. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better I'm afraid

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:07pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

What a relief it will be when an actual President replaces Trump. What a sigh of relief will ripple over the US, the World and the Financial Markets.

The boom to the US economy will be enormous.

Jail terms for Kushner, Trump Junior, Roger Stone will only enhance the US's position as the new age dawns. Back into the Paris Accord. The US setting the standard for renewable energies. The economy buzzing from the US's total conviction and investment into renewable energies.

US Entreprenuers setting the standards, breaking down walls. The entire nation buzzing and leading the way into the new world of zero carbon emissions and rolling back years of destruction.

Women and minorities emboldened and on equal wages, young black girls growing up to be the next CEOs. The US leading the way as the most progressive, flexible dynamic nation in the world.

I hope my daughter sees this.

You need to lay off the drugs there

Basically, one bloke not having a certain job will turn the world into a utopia, and all real and growing problems will just evaporate. Yeah!

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 7:07pm

mammajamma wrote: »

As far as I am aware, the democratic partys solution is to just let them all in and legalise them. Procedure or not.

I read this far and stopped. This is obviously not the democratic party's solution. This is Trump lies. If you think the Democrats believe in no borders, you are a cretin and do not deserve a vote.

"Let them all in" that's what he actually thinks is Democrat Party policy.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 7:08pm

mammajamma wrote: »

You need to lay off the drugs there

Basically, one bloke not having a certain job will turn the world into a utopia, and all real and growing problems will just evaporate. Yeah!

More personal abuse and reported.

Dog Man Star · 03-11-2018 7:10pm

mammajamma wrote: »

You need to lay off the drugs there

Basically, one bloke not having a certain job will turn the world into a utopia, and all real and growing problems will just evaporate. Yeah!

Reported post. Personal abuse.

Sweetemotion · 03-11-2018 7:10pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

More personal abuse and reported.

Ha, ha.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:11pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Really? Where did you read this, or who told it to you?

The inference that I might need to be "told" something is stupid. With the little personal research I have done, it appears that the democrat party is purposefully playing down anything to do with these caravans, but that the intent is to sneak through the mid-term elections, and then start blasting their usual policies on immigration.

So if you want to know what they plan on doing, just look at their political stance over the last decade. They rely almost solely on immigrant/minority votes, and those groups of people want more of their own in the country. Democrats tow the line.

Its not rocket science to make an educated guess as to how they plan on addressing this.

mammajamma · 03-11-2018 7:13pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Reported post. Personal abuse.

Jesus man, its a tongue in cheek joke. If youre that delicate perhaps you shouldn't post on forums with clearly out-there ideas.

For what its worth, I apologise. And wont be replying to you again.

Mr. teddywinkles · 03-11-2018 7:20pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

And with birth rates lower in Western countries. After time there would be more resources for everyone to have a better standard of life.

I call bollix to this. People are not having kids due to high cost of having kids in the first world. So if ya want to let your kids live in squalor. That's fine. Have as many as you like.

Billy86 · 03-11-2018 7:22pm

mammajamma wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Really? Where did you read this, or who told it to you?

The inference that I might need to be "told" something is stupid. With the little personal research I have done, it appears that the democrat party is purposefully playing down anything to do with these caravans, but that the intent is to sneak through the mid-term elections, and then start blasting their usual policies on immigration.

So if you want to know what they plan on doing, just look at their political stance over the last decade. They rely almost solely on immigrant/minority votes, and those groups of people want more of their own in the country. Democrats tow the line.

Its not rocket science to make an educated guess as to how they plan on addressing this.

It would have saved you time to just admit you made it up.

If your guess was in any way educated, it would look at what happened when the Democratic party were in power from 2008-16, but that might not have been convenient as illegal border crossings and the number of illegals in the US went down year on year over that time (as they had been since the end of Bush Jr's tenure).

That's the problem with making uneducated guesses based on what you want to believe to be the truth, they tend to be very far off base.

Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

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