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Milk Replacer Price?

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    #92
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Given whole milk as a powder would be around 34% p and 40% f, getting them eating a decent crunch on powder would be fairly important too


    personally I think a lot of ppl pay too much attention to the milk/replacer and not enough to the crunch



    a lot of the so labelled 'super calf crunch' mixes are just glorified sh1te


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    #93
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Would you think there's a market for veal over here dawg?

    I can’t say Kev.


    Maybe if the meat was processed to infinity and called veal nuggets...


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    #94
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Given whole milk as a powder would be around 34% p and 40% f, getting them eating a decent crunch on powder would be fairly important too

    My calf rearing guru rears around 4K calves a year and doesn’t put any credence on calf pencils/crunch.
    He finds soya and maize to be the job.
    Have this in front of them from the start.

    Interestingly, the best way to start them on the maize is to have whole grain maize (at about 18-20% moisture) available in the mix. You’ll hear them crunching away at the whole grains from day 7.
    From day 21 gently cracked maize grains, mixed with soya, ad lib.

    Soya and osr mix is not very palatable, so soya on it own is preferable.


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    #95
    alps
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    French Milk Replacers taking a €150/ tonne hike this week....keep an eye on prices and commit before they rise...


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    #96
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    alps wrote: »
    French Milk Replacers taking a €150/ tonne hike this week....keep an eye on prices and commit before they rise...
    Ordering tomorrow, nothing due until 20th April.


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    #97
    mahoney_j
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    personally I think a lot of ppl pay too much attention to the milk/replacer and not enough to the crunch



    a lot of the so labelled 'super calf crunch' mixes are just glorified sh1te

    Bags of molasses ,I’m using actus first fiber and suckler mate pencils ,no bother getting calves onto them


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    #98
    Snowfire
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Bags of molasses ,I’m using actus first fiber and suckler mate pencils ,no bother getting calves onto them

    Are the first fiber expensive,?


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    #99
    simx
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    What’s best price anyone has on heiferlac? €47 is all I heard so far


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    #100
    mahoney_j
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    Snowfire wrote: »
    Are the first fiber expensive,?

    In and around 17 euro for 20 kg bale I think ,bought a pallet so will work out bit cheaper


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    #101
    alps
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    simx wrote: »
    What’s best price anyone has on heiferlac? €47 is all I heard so far

    The best I've seen so far is €43.80 for a pallet delivered. I don't know the payment terms and this was a private deal, not a group one.

    That was beginning of Jan..


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    #102
    alps
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Ordering tomorrow, nothing due until 20th April.

    You calving from 20th of April?


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    #103
    alps
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Bags of molasses ,I’m using actus first fiber and suckler mate pencils ,no bother getting calves onto them

    Interesting looking product, have you used it previously? What age do you make it available to them.? How soon are you going on CMR? Shine OAD?


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    #104
    Mooooo
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Bags of molasses ,I’m using actus first fiber and suckler mate pencils ,no bother getting calves onto them

    I used wynne calf starter last 2 years they did ok on it


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    #105
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    alps wrote: »
    You calving from 20th of April?

    Crap, that should have read payment due on 20th April, calving starting in a few days with a few arrived already.


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    #106
    Muddy76
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    In and around 17 euro for 20 kg bale I think ,bought a pallet so will work out bit cheaper

    Is that stuff the same as the calfage that comes in the 20kg bales


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    #107
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    alps wrote: »
    Interesting looking product, have you used it previously? What age do you make it available to them.? How soon are you going on CMR? Shine OAD?

    Kehoe farming in wexford started doing it here first.. Would be better imo. Tslking to a guy in kerry last year who was using kehoes and switched to actus because of the (lucerne i think?) In it. He switched back fairly quick!
    40 odd calves here so far and they're picking away at meal and straw no bother, heifers onto shine TAD. Happy with it so far. No navals being sucked which has been an issue here the last few years


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    #108
    mahoney_j
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    alps wrote: »
    Interesting looking product, have you used it previously? What age do you make it available to them.? How soon are you going on CMR? Shine OAD?

    Used 5 bales of it last year in March ,was feeding calfage and calves loved it but first fiber was different gravy ,once calves got a taste for it which didn’t take long they were ravenous for it .left it to them from day 1 .this years plan for milk replacer is mother’s milk for 3 days ,transformila for 3 days twice daily then a 3 day transition to shine whilst reducing transformula (mix of both).on day 10 just shine at 600 gramms oad building to 750


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    #109
    alps
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    Crap, that should have read payment due on 20th April, calving starting in a few days with a few arrived already.

    Ahh....though we had a pioneer with a brand new system


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    #110
    mahoney_j
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    Muddy76 wrote: »
    Is that stuff the same as the calfage that comes in the 20kg bales

    Simillar but better


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    #111
    Injuryprone
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    I don't know if this has been answered already or not but for OAD feeding, is it better to go for a product specifically aimed at OAD (ie Shine) or are they all much the same in that regard. Most of them claim to be suitable for OAD feeding by just adjusting the feeding rate but I'm just wondering if there would be something different in the formulation in a product specifically designed for OAD.


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    #112
    mahoney_j
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    Injuryprone wrote: »
    I don't know if this has been answered already or not but for OAD feeding, is it better to go for a product specifically aimed at OAD (ie Shine) or are they all much the same in that regard. Most of them claim to be suitable for OAD feeding by just adjusting the feeding rate but I'm just wondering if there would be something different in the formulation in a product specifically designed for OAD.

    I’ve tried various different milk replacer ,whey based just don’t work as passes thru calves quicker and leads to digestive upsets ,u can’t push calves too hard on them either


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    #113
    mayota
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    I’d rear about 15 calves, feeding at 7am before work and again at 6pm or so. Would 6pm be late in the day for OAD feeding ?


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    #114
    Never wrestle with pigs
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    Bossman is getting 4/5 bbx to feed. I've never done any here so I'm going to rob some of your knowledge, lol. What's the difference in these two shine bag's? They are both %20 P. Thanks


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    #115
    stretch film
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    Injuryprone wrote: »
    I don't know if this has been answered already or not but for OAD feeding, is it better to go for a product specifically aimed at OAD (ie Shine) or are they all much the same in that regard. Most of them claim to be suitable for OAD feeding by just adjusting the feeding rate but I'm just wondering if there would be something different in the formulation in a product specifically designed for OAD.

    the key is a high level of skim milk , circa 50 %.
    will be using another product to shine as oad option this year .
    glanbia taking the p**s on price.

    looked elsewhere without much success.


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    #116
    Reggie.
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    mayota wrote: »
    I’d rear about 15 calves, feeding at 7am before work and again at 6pm or so. Would 6pm be late in the day for OAD feeding ?

    No as it's once a day so once they are fed around the same time everyday then it's no difference


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    #117
    270WIN
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    mayota wrote: »
    I’d rear about 15 calves, feeding at 7am before work and again at 6pm or so. Would 6pm be late in the day for OAD feeding ?

    I'm the same as you and feed shine oad at about 6 in the evenings..no problems with that system at all. As said already feed at the same time every day. (Looking at the price of FR weanlings i might not bother rearing calves anymore!!)


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    #118
    alps
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    Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »
    Bossman is getting 4/5 bbx to feed. I've never done any here so I'm going to rob some of your knowledge, lol. What's the difference in these two shine bag's? They are both %20 P. Thanks

    Any chance you could get a picture of the labels?


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    #119
    Never wrestle with pigs
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    alps wrote: »
    Any chance you could get a picture of the labels?

    I'll have a look tomorrow when I'm down at the co-op


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    #120
    GrasstoMilk
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    stretch film wrote: »
    the key is a high level of skim milk , circa 50 %.
    will be using another product to shine as oad option this year .
    glanbia taking the p**s on price.

    looked elsewhere without much success.

    What did you price? Bought 1t of shine. 45/bag


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    #121
    stretch film
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    Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »
    I'll have a look tomorrow when I'm down


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