Milk Replacer Price?

Gkinlab

Hi I was wondering has any priced different brands of milk replacer and does anyone know the contents to tripple a maverick (protein content)

alps

Gkinlab wrote: »

Hi I was wondering has any priced different brands of milk replacer and does anyone know the contents to tripple a maverick (protein content)

It's a volac product, with many other similar Volac derivatives...interesting if you could find out what the different price points are for these similar products...

stretch film

alps wrote: »

It's a volac product, with many other similar Volac derivatives...interesting if you could find out what the different price points are for these similar products...

A screengrab I took from an earlier thread

Track9

Last year ( Early 2017 ) I contacted a good number of suppliers for "competitively priced milk replacer " What I found was comparing Like with Like , the Protein content etc , best deals were the smaller not so heavily promoted milk replacers .
The only way to get price down is where they will supply you with a Pallet of 20 kg bags delivered . I cannot remember if it was perhaps twenty bags.
Good price reduction , tho one would need to store it carefully, unless one has a loc of suckie calves in batches .I would like to hear if you make any progress ? P

nhg

Getting to that time of year again...

We used 111 bags of Bonanza Shine Once A Day to rear 67 Bull Calves last year and we plan on using it again this year to rear the calves. Just wondering if anyone has got any prices yet for it.

TIA

Reggie.

nhg wrote: »

Getting to that time of year again...

We used 111 bags of Bonanza Shine Once A Day to rear 67 Bull Calves last year and we plan on using it again this year to rear the calves. Just wondering if anyone has got any prices yet for it.

TIA

Drop a pm to stanfit in relation to this. Tell him I sent ya to him about this.

mahoney_j

Reggie. wrote: »

Drop a pm to stanfit in relation to this. Tell him I sent ya to him about this.

The fecker is on commission !!!

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

The fecker is on commission !!!

You know what I'm on about J

GrasstoMilk

Reggie. wrote: »

Drop a pm to stanfit in relation to this. Tell him I sent ya to him about this.

Can ye not just post a price? Akin to being back in the school playground again!

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Can ye not just post a price? Akin to being back in the school playground again!

Don't have a price and no need for sneery remarks

Gawddawggonnit

24% protein and over 50% skim is about €1340 to €1650.
Powder for lambs/kids €1850 to €1950.

Reggie.

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

24% protein and over 50% skim is about €1340 to €1650.
Powder for lambs/kids €1850 to €1950.

That's per tonne? About €33 per 20kg bag for the calf powder so.

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Can ye not just post a price? Akin to being back in the school playground again!

Wouldn’t post prices for lot of stuff here bar to lads I’d know as like everything there’s deals to be done and price is determined by lots of things like payement date /purchasing group disc etc etc

kevthegaff

Reggie. wrote: »

That's per tonne? About €33 per 20kg bag for the calf powder so.

How many litres would u get out of a bag regie?

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

How many litres would u get out of a bag regie?

All depends on what rate your feeding the replacer at Kev could be anywhere from 600 to 900 gramms of powder per calf per day depending on farmer .hard beat dairy calves rested on good quality powder with consistent feed rates/times etc etc

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

All depends on what rate your feeding the replacer at Kev could be anywhere from 600 to 900 gramms of powder per calf per day depending on farmer .hard beat dairy calves rested on good quality powder with consistent feed rates/times etc etc

Hard to beat OAD

nhg

mahoney_j wrote: »

All depends on what rate your feeding the replacer at Kev could be anywhere from 600 to 900 gramms of powder per calf per day depending on farmer .hard beat dairy calves rested on good quality powder with consistent feed rates/times etc etc

Mahoney_j - Are you still using the Shine OAD, (think you were using it at one stage anyway) we don’t want to change as we found it very good the last few years...

Gawddawggonnit

Reggie. wrote: »

That's per tonne? About €33 per 20kg bag for the calf powder so.

Per ton.
You’re rearing for beef?
Consider using powder for lambs or kid goats. They’ll be as fat as snails after 60-80 days on it...just like they were under a cow.
Found it hard to get carcass weights over 400kg (16mts) until we changed over.

mahoney_j

Reggie. wrote: »

Hard to beat OAD

Sure is

mahoney_j

nhg wrote: »

Mahoney_j - Are you still using the Shine OAD, (think you were using it at one stage anyway) we don’t want to change as we found it very good the last few years...

Yep and wouldn’t change ,also going to use some of the trans formula this year too .great products and back up from bonanza and calved fly on it

memorystick

mahoney_j wrote: »

Wouldn’t post prices for lot of stuff here bar to lads I’d know as like everything there’s deals to be done and price is determined by lots of things like payement date /purchasing group disc etc etc

Lads just like a ballpark figure as a guide. Your supplier will not be threatened!

stretch film

memorystick wrote: »

Lads just like a ballpark figure as a guide. Your supplier will not be threatened!

On glanbia connect at €51/bag last time I looked

whelan2

stretch film wrote: »

On glanbia connect at €51/bag last time I looked

Agridirect also have some on their website, with a price chart on feeding rate

mahoney_j

stretch film wrote: »

On glanbia connect at €51/bag last time I looked

Well if anyone is paying that there been well rode

whelan2

mahoney_j wrote: »

Well if anyone is paying that there been well rode

Indeed I often wonder who buys at the prices they quote on it

stretch film

mahoney_j wrote: »

Well if anyone is paying that there been well rode

Yes they are . Ball park was asked .
Apply your own discount after that .

mahoney_j

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Track9

Was paying 45 euro for 23 % Volac at Local Co Op Store late 2018.
Know we were being charged well , but unable to locate any good options , unless purchase 1 X Ton Pallets .
Any suggestions on smaller amounts this year ?

blackdog1

Can get elvor milk powder for 2000 a tonne equivalent to 40 euro a 20kg bag. Comes in 25kg bags so it's 50 per 25kg bag.

On a side note was talking to a guy from the North that rears veal and he only uses half the milk powder rate but has some serious calf ration and says calves fly on it.

Mooooo

Did someone here have trial results on the best type of milk replacer, in terms of performance as opposed to price?

alps

Mooooo wrote: »

Did someone here have trial results on the best type of milk replacer, in terms of performance as opposed to price?

Every crowd has a trial proving their powder is the best...

Henwin

We always fed calves once a day but considering now going to once a day. Wat are the general rules t o follow like way age did the calf be to switch to once a day. How much calf starter did they they to be eating and how much hay wtc

Reggie.

Henwin wrote: »

We always fed calves once a day but considering now going to once a day. Wat are the general rules t o follow like way age did the calf be to switch to once a day. How much calf starter did they they to be eating and how much hay wtc

Wait till after 10 days old. Start off at roughly 600 grams per calf and work your way up to about 800 grams I think it is. Can't be certain as I've it marked out in jugs and can't remember the weights correctly. (Mahoney will be on shortly to correct me )

I never feed hay only straw as hay can give them pot bellys. As for the crunch always have some available for them in a trough so that they can nibble on it. They will increase their intake themselves when they are ready. I prefer the pencils myself.

Once they are eating a good 1kg a head a day it's time to wean them off the milk. I get that at roughly 10 to 11 weeks old.

mahoney_j

Reggie. wrote: »

Wait till after 10 days old. Start off at roughly 600 grams per calf and work your way up to about 800 grams I think it is. Can't be certain as I've it marked out in jugs and can't remember the weights correctly. (Mahoney will be on shortly to correct me )

I never feed hay only straw as hay can give them pot bellys. As for the crunch always have some available for them in a trough so that they can nibble on it. They will increase their intake themselves when they are ready. I prefer the pencils myself.

Once they are eating a good 1kg a head a day it's time to wean them off the milk. I get that at roughly 10 to 11 weeks old.

Nothing further to add there !!!!!,only thing I’d do is maby check weight of jug once a week or def beteween batches .fully agree on the hay ,even good stuff ,oaten straw I find v good for feeding

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Nothing further to add there !!!!!,only thing I’d do is maby check weight of jug once a week or def beteween batches .fully agree on the hay ,even good stuff ,oaten straw I find v good for feeding

Yes.....got it in one

nhg

stretch film wrote: »

On glanbia connect at €51/bag last time I looked

Is the glanbia Gain Shine Once A Day made by Bonanza or is it a different product?

ganmo

nhg wrote: »

Is the glanbia Gain Shine Once A Day made by Bonanza or is it a different product?

Exact same

Buford T. Justice XIX

Just got a few prices this morning.


AAA Golden Maverick 20kg bag E44, 2 bags free with each pallet
Cargills Provimilk Pro 20kg bag, E49, 10 bags free with each pallet. Skim based

Cargills Provimilk Daisy 20kg bag E44, 10 bags free with each pallet. Whey based.

GrasstoMilk

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Just got a few prices this morning.


AAA Golden Maverick 20kg bag E44, 2 bags free with each pallet
Cargills Provimilk Pro 20kg bag, E49, 10 bags free with each pallet. Skim based

Cargills Provimilk Daisy 20kg bag E44, 10 bags free with each pallet. Whey based.

Vitalac blue 2250€ per tonne. Whey and skim.based
Vitalac red 2050€ per tonne. Skim based

Your getting a good deal there.

Buford T. Justice XIX

It'll be my first year using replacers so I'm leaning more towards skim rather than whey based even though it'll cost €5-7 more to rear them.

Anyone got any thoughts on skim being better at forming a curd in the stomach and easier reared than a whey based powder?

Reggie.

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It'll be my first year using replacers so I'm leaning more towards skim rather than whey based even though it'll cost €5-7 more to rear them.

Anyone got any thoughts on skim being better at forming a curd in the stomach and easier reared than a whey based powder?

Skim is supposed to be better as it's protein is taken from milk as opposed to a plant protein. This is more natural for the calf

Wildsurfer

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

It'll be my first year using replacers so I'm leaning more towards skim rather than whey based even though it'll cost €5-7 more to rear them.

Anyone got any thoughts on skim being better at forming a curd in the stomach and easier reared than a whey based powder?

With the last few years I've been using the top of the range skim powders but I've been having problems after weaning with summer scour. My thinking rightly or wrongly is that calves are too content on the skim, not eating enough roughage and therefore stomach lining isn't prepared for transition to grass. As an experiment this year Im going to try a more whey based powder and get them eating more roughage and ration. Time will tell.

Mooooo

I put adlib ration feeders in with the calves, got bird flaps on them. Only put in a bit initially but as they eat more you can put in a bag or two and know how much they are eating. Will try and put them to grass while still on milk hoping to make the transition better, will depend on weather at the time

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Vitalac blue 2250€ per tonne. Whey and skim.based
Vitalac red 2050€ per tonne. Skim based

Your getting a good deal there.

Don’t judge powder on price ,those vitalac powders would be far superior to any of afore mentioned

mahoney_j

Wildsurfer wrote: »

With the last few years I've been using the top of the range skim powders but I've been having problems after weaning with summer scour. My thinking rightly or wrongly is that calves are too content on the skim, not eating enough roughage and therefore stomach lining isn't prepared for transition to grass. As an experiment this year Im going to try a more whey based powder and get them eating more roughage and ration. Time will tell.

Thankfully don’t have that problem ,no issue getting them on concentrate or roughage ,calves would be eating straw and 1.5 kg plus ration at 8/10 weeks

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Thankfully don’t have that problem ,no issue getting them on concentrate or roughage ,calves would be eating straw and 1.5 kg plus ration at 8/10 weeks

Same as that. 6 calves would eat approx half a bale of straw at least in 2 months here

einn32

Reggie. wrote: »

Skim is supposed to be better as it's protein is taken from milk as opposed to a plant protein. This is more natural for the calf

Yeah the source of protein makes a difference. Also look at protein percentage.

blackdog1

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Vitalac blue 2250€ per tonne. Whey and skim.based Vitalac red 2050€ per tonne. Skim based

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Your getting a good deal there.

No skim in red as far as I know. Blue is a great product but you can get stuff as good or better for cheaper.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Reggie. wrote: »

Skim is supposed to be better as it's protein is taken from milk as opposed to a plant protein. This is more natural for the calf

No worries, Reggie, I'll resist the vegan plague for a while longer:pac:

Buford T. Justice XIX

mahoney_j wrote: »

Don’t judge powder on price ,those vitalac powders would be far superior to any of afore mentioned

Looking at the spec of the Professional, according to their website, it's skim based.
https://www.trouwnutrition.ie/en/Products/Catalogue/milkivit-calf-milk-replacer/19344
Magenta/Buyrite have it down as whey based?
https://www.magentadirect.ie/PRO-HEIFER-MILK-REPLACER?search=milk%20replacer

GrasstoMilk

blackdog1 wrote: »

No skim in red as far as I know. Blue is a great product but you can get stuff as good or better for cheaper.

Can you tell me which ones are as good or better?