Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

jimmii · 31-12-2018 2:32pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I was thinking he could easily be approached by some mega rich guy to do it just for fun. Loose his official pay, get a big fat envelope instead.

If he did ko him with a kick I'd imagine he'd make more money just from TV appearances than he's getting for show money. Hed be able to live off it for years where if he just goes in and gets shown up for a few rounds in a year or so he'll just be back to where he is now really.

dashoonage · 31-12-2018 2:33pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I was thinking he could easily be approached by some mega rich guy to do it just for fun. Loose his official pay, get a big fat envelope instead.

Conor :P

dave1982 · 31-12-2018 3:07pm

This is gonna be fun haha

dave1982 · 31-12-2018 3:23pm

Wtf!!!!

cletus · 31-12-2018 3:24pm

That last knockdown looked odd.

ASOT · 31-12-2018 3:26pm

That was gas

jimmii · 31-12-2018 3:30pm

What happened!

jimmii · 31-12-2018 3:32pm

Wtf the corner threw the towel in, in the first round! Feel for the kid going to take a while to live that down now should have just kicked him lol

ASOT · 31-12-2018 3:32pm

jimmii wrote: »

What happened!

Mayweather beat up a child.

jimmii · 31-12-2018 3:33pm

ASOT wrote: »

Mayweather beat up a child.

Was there a massive difference in size? There normal fighting weight is obviously massively different was that pretty apparent?

ASOT · 31-12-2018 3:34pm

jimmii wrote: »

Was there a massive difference in size? There normal fighting weight is obviously massively different was that pretty apparent?

Yeah mate, and Floyd wasn't even trying. He was throwing stupid shots and dropping his hands down then dropped him three times and that's all she wrote.

mdwexford · 31-12-2018 3:37pm

Embarrassing stuff for Floyd.

What the hell is he doing.

jimmii · 31-12-2018 3:38pm

ASOT wrote: »

Yeah mate, and Floyd wasn't even trying. He was throwing stupid shots and dropping his hands down then dropped him three times and that's all she wrote.

Was expecting it to be one sided but not quite that bad. $9m for 2 minutes work not too shabby!

ASOT · 31-12-2018 3:38pm

mdwexford wrote: »

Embarrassing stuff for Floyd.

What the hell is he doing.

You have to look at it from a business perspective, he got a minimum of 9m for that **** show.

cletus · 31-12-2018 3:39pm

The whole fight just looked weird. First knockdown looked like Floyd tripped him, third knockdown, Tenshin looked odd in the way he was scrambling to get back up.

Floyd looked much bigger all right

jimmii · 31-12-2018 3:39pm

mdwexford wrote: »

Embarrassing stuff for Floyd.

What the hell is he doing.

Making money! Don't think he cares much for his legacy as a boxer probably feels that's locked in. That much money for exhibition fight f it why not take it and go buy something nice!

mdwexford · 31-12-2018 3:43pm

Could he not have taken an easy boxing match in Vegas and got 100 million.

Perhaps wants to take no chance of a loss at this stage however remote the chances.

Lukker- · 31-12-2018 3:57pm

Only 4 kg difference for weight apparently. Floyd literally looks like he rolled off the couch.

9m is just show money, he’ll clear we’ll over 50m for that. Not bad for something he probably did no camp for.

The Nal · 31-12-2018 4:05pm

That was just weird

31-12-2018 4:14pm

The way your man reacted to the first knock-down (trip?) looked theatrical as hell. He flailed around and rolled over onto his belly ... it just did not look natural.

Not going to over-analyse it ... it was a weird freakshow fight in Japan with odd circumstances in the build-up. You never know what's going on in Japan with gambling fixes, shoots, 'exhibitions' etc. I don't know what I was supposed to be looking at.

Lukker- · 31-12-2018 4:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The way your man reacted to the first knock-down (trip?) looked theatrical as hell. He flailed around and rolled over onto his belly ... it just did not look natural.

Not going to over-analyse it ... it was a weird freakshow fight in Japan with odd circumstances in the build-up. You never know what's going on in Japan with gambling fixes, shoots, 'exhibitions' etc.

First one looked weird but I think it just caught him off guard. Floyd only started throwing seriously when he got tagged by a left hook. After that he just walked forward without any respect for his power.

I can't imagine Rizin would have a fix in that literally made one of their star attractions look like a little child getting slapped by a flabby 41 year old.

31-12-2018 4:32pm

Lukker- wrote: »

I can't imagine Rizin would have a fix in that literally made one of their star attractions look like a little child getting slapped by a flabby 41 year old.

Multiple parties can fix a fight, it doesn't have to be the organization. Can be a gambling syndicate or other third party. One or both fighters can be in on it.

All sorts of weird stuff happens in Japan, you hear the old Pride stories about passports being confiscated.

Floyd looked mortified during the initial fight press conference, pulled out when he got back on American soil, then it's back on. Is it a fight or an exhibition? Were both guys treating it as a fight? I have no idea. Just too much weirdness surrounding this.

Zero-Cool · 31-12-2018 6:43pm

Full fight here, skip the first 15 minutes of bollox acting. Embarrassing to watch. Looked like Floyd was happy acting the eejit until Tenshin actually connected with him in the first exchange and Floyd decided to just wreck him. The falling, crying, dancing, awful shyte.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KABY19dOag

ERG89 · 31-12-2018 8:04pm

Mayweather caught him a few times but really think the guy was selling the punches as every time he got knocked down it was like a funeral but then he found his balance instantly once the ref asked him to continue.
These cards always come across weird and not just the theatrics. Even Horiguchi winning the guillotine was strange. It was like Caldwell put his head right into it, maybe he was tired after the opening 2 rounds but it was only a 3 round title fight.
Gabi Garcia would legit be the most intimidating woman on the planet if she could strike, even without the supplements she's physically quite imposing and I can see why the Japanese like her. How Mackenzie Dern survived grappling her several times is a mystery.
The Teepee choke was something else, still can't wrap my head around it

jimmii · 31-12-2018 8:04pm

Was really expecting him to put in a much better showing than that. Granted he may have never been hit like that before but it was like he had never taken a hit before at all bizarre.

Autecher · 08-01-2019 5:39pm

John Kavanagh is coaching 13 fighters for the Dublin Bellator show in February. They are all in camp at the same time. 4 weeks in Ireland, 2 in Iceland then back home a week before the show. He is a very hardworking man I will give him that.

Autecher · 09-01-2019 9:17am

Bellator signed an 0-12 fighter to a contract to fight at Bellator 216 but the fight was pulled by the commission. Things like this is why people that say that Bellator will surpass the UFC are very wrong.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/113820-anastasia-bruce

https://twitter.com/MyMMANews/status/1082780870384205825

Paully D · 09-01-2019 1:09pm

Full lineup for that Bellator card revealed.

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Laugahable matchmaking.

AlmightyCushion · 09-01-2019 1:11pm

Paully D wrote: »

Full lineup for that Bellator card revealed.

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Laugahable matchmaking.

We're not here to take part, we're here to fight cans!

but1er · 09-01-2019 1:39pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

Other than who Bellator send Gallagher's way, what other SBG fighters are being handed cans?

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Their ye go whelo79 all cans.

Autecher · 09-01-2019 1:53pm

but1er wrote: »

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Their ye go whelo79 all cans.

The records of the Irish lads aren't too different mostly, Redmond is 14-7 fighting a 15-9 opponent for example. That being said they have likely been given favourable fights anyway since Bellator invested heavily in Irish fighters last year so they were always going to do this, they don't want them all to lose on the first show with so many Irish fighters on it. Just look at my post about the 0-12 fighter from earlier to see how much Bellator care about records.

Whelo79 · 09-01-2019 2:23pm

but1er wrote: »

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Their ye go whelo79 all cans.

Smullen (3-1) against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s (1-1) opponent is 2-6, Redser’s (14-7 and is Team Ryano, not SBG) opponent 15-9, Crosbie (5-0) vs 3-2, Kiely (2-1) vs 3-4, Moore (8-2) vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher (7-1) vs 6-3.

A bit more perspective on it with the Irish fighters records imputed. Crosbie and Gallagher are the only ones lopsided in my opinion and they are not that far off.

What do you want? Them all against 4-0, 6-1, 7-0, 10-1 fighters?? No SBG fighter listed there has more than 8 (Gallagher has 8, next is Crosbie with 5) pro fights (I'm not counting Moore, he fights out of FAI and not SBG but he has been training with SBG lately.

TerrorFirmer · 09-01-2019 2:35pm

Whoops, had to delete my earlier post as I got Brian and Karl Moore mixed up, but the records aren't that mismatched really in most cases.

Paully D · 09-01-2019 3:40pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

Smullen (3-1) against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s (1-1) opponent is 2-6, Redser’s (14-7 and is Team Ryano, not SBG) opponent 15-9, Crosbie (5-0) vs 3-2, Kiely (2-1) vs 3-4, Moore (8-2) vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher (7-1) vs 6-3.

A bit more perspective on it with the Irish fighters records imputed. Crosbie and Gallagher are the only ones lopsided in my opinion and they are not that far off.

What do you want? Them all against 4-0, 6-1, 7-0, 10-1 fighters?? No SBG fighter listed there has more than 8 (Gallagher has 8, next is Crosbie with 5) pro fights (I'm not counting Moore, he fights out of FAI and not SBG but he has been training with SBG lately.

Even more perspective:

- Smullen's opponent has had 1 fight in BAMMA (a first round TKO loss) and his best win is at Cage Legacy level. Smullen was recently on TUF and fought in the UFC.

- Leah McCourt's opponent has 1 win since 2011 and has lost her lost 5, all by sub or finish.

- Redser's opponent has, in fairness, fought and won in Bellator but has spent the majority of his career fighting in the world renowned Full Contact Contender and Budo Fight Championships also losing 2 of his 3 fights in Brave, while Redser himself has fought at UFC level and won fights in KSW, Bellator and BAMMA.

- Karl Moore's opponent has lost his last 3, 2 of which he was KO'd in and 1 in which he was submitted.

- Kiely's opponent is a 38 year old on a 4 fight losing streak who has fought in promotions of such a poor level that it's not even worth discussing. It's an utter joke of a matchup and shouldn't have been sanctioned.

No one is expecting them to be matched up against killers, but these are clearly extremely favourable, some bordering on ridiculous, matchups for the home fighters. No doubt they'll all win and we'll be hearing rubbish about how it was another special night for Irish MMA comparing it to McGregor vs Brandao.

I have my ticket and will be there cheering the lads on anyway, but this card makes most boxing undercards look competitive.

Autecher · 09-01-2019 3:59pm

Paully D wrote: »

- Kiely's opponent is a 38 year old on a 4 fight losing streak who has fought in promotions of such a poor level that it's not even worth discussing. It's an utter joke of a matchup and shouldn't have been sanctioned.

Slightly off topic but does anyone know who is regulating this? Who are the commission for Irish mma events?

Whelo79 · 09-01-2019 6:14pm

Paully D wrote: »

Even more perspective:

- Smullen's opponent has had 1 fight in BAMMA (a first round TKO loss) and his best win is at Cage Legacy level. Smullen was recently on TUF and fought in the UFC.

- Leah McCourt's opponent has 1 win since 2011 and has lost her lost 5, all by sub or finish.

- Redser's opponent has, in fairness, fought and won in Bellator but has spent the majority of his career fighting in the world renowned Full Contact Contender and Budo Fight Championships also losing 2 of his 3 fights in Brave, while Redser himself has fought at UFC level and won fights in KSW, Bellator and BAMMA.

- Karl Moore's opponent has lost his last 3, 2 of which he was KO'd in and 1 in which he was submitted.

- Kiely's opponent is a 38 year old on a 4 fight losing streak who has fought in promotions of such a poor level that it's not even worth discussing. It's an utter joke of a matchup and shouldn't have been sanctioned.

No one is expecting them to be matched up against killers, but these are clearly extremely favourable, some bordering on ridiculous, matchups for the home fighters. No doubt they'll all win and we'll be hearing rubbish about how it was another special night for Irish MMA comparing it to McGregor vs Brandao.

I have my ticket and will be there cheering the lads on anyway, but this card makes most boxing undercards look competitive.

It's favorable match making alright, as you get in many promotions for the hometown fighters, but I wouldn't call any of them ridiculous. Kiely has no MMA experience outside of his BAMMA fights.

Absolutely the intention is that the majority of Irish lads will win and it will set Bellator up for a return visit and bigger crowds.

Whelo79 · 09-01-2019 6:16pm

Autecher wrote: »

Slightly off topic but does anyone know who is regulating this? Who are the commission for Irish mma events?

Safe MMA Ireland sanction all fights here as far as I am aware. Dr Dan Healy is the man behind all the brain scans, which are the major factor for allowing a fighter to compete here.

pablohoney87 · 17-01-2019 4:40pm

Whelo79 wrote: »

Smullen (3-1) against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s (1-1) opponent is 2-6, Redser’s (14-7 and is Team Ryano, not SBG) opponent 15-9, Crosbie (5-0) vs 3-2, Kiely (2-1) vs 3-4, Moore (8-2) vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher (7-1) vs 6-3.

A bit more perspective on it with the Irish fighters records imputed. Crosbie and Gallagher are the only ones lopsided in my opinion and they are not that far off.

What do you want? Them all against 4-0, 6-1, 7-0, 10-1 fighters?? No SBG fighter listed there has more than 8 (Gallagher has 8, next is Crosbie with 5) pro fights (I'm not counting Moore, he fights out of FAI and not SBG but he has been training with SBG lately.

Both Moore and Redmond seem to be fully with SBG now.

DrPhilG · 17-01-2019 5:46pm

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Both Moore and Redmond seem to be fully with SBG now.

Paul Redmond with SGB?

I think not.

John Redmond is with SGB.

pablohoney87 · 17-01-2019 8:26pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Paul Redmond with SGB?

I think not.

John Redmond is with SGB.

Its john were talking about isnt it?

DrPhilG · 17-01-2019 10:55pm

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Its john were talking about isnt it?

Paul is the one facing a 15-9 opponent and he said Redmond was at Ryano. So it's Paul that Whelo was talking about.

Whelo79 · 17-01-2019 11:11pm

Paul is the one that was quoted but John is also on the card and made a big deal about his move from Ryano to SBG last year.

I've seen Moore training at SBG a lot but haven't seen anything specific mentioned about it so I don't know if it's a permanent or temporary move from FAI. I suppose we'll know soon enough when it comes to any interviews or who is in his corner.

Autecher · 22-01-2019 4:23pm

Norman Parke has joined the bareknuckle boxing promotion. I've no memory of him being great with his hands but I hope for his sake I am wrong.

Paully D · 23-01-2019 12:41am

The Dublin Bellator show must be selling extremely well.

I went on to Ticketmaster earlier to check and they only had cageside seats and singles in the normal seats left.

Will they open up the whole arena for this with that in mind?

Subcomandante Marcos · 23-01-2019 12:46am

Paully D wrote: »

The Dublin Bellator show must be selling extremely well.

I went on to Ticketmaster earlier to check and they only had cageside seats and singles in the normal seats left.

Will they open up the whole arena for this with that in mind?

Just till the week of and half of SBG will be selling tickets for less than face value.

dulux99 · 24-01-2019 2:48pm

Jon Fitch vs Rory MacDonald happening in April. Decent fight.

callaway92 · 24-01-2019 3:25pm

dulux99 wrote: »

Jon Fitch vs Rory MacDonald happening in April. Decent fight.

Not sure what’s appealing about that fight at all.

Paully D · 24-01-2019 10:25pm

https://twitter.com/antwalkermma/status/1088543093832376320?s=21

pablohoney87 · 25-01-2019 1:01am

callaway92 wrote: »

Not sure what’s appealing about that fight at all.

Theres rarely a fitch fight to get excited about but hes on a streak against the other top guys in the division. A fight that probavly had to be made at some point

bono_v · 25-01-2019 8:41pm

Lads has Charlie ward retired or is he injured or what?

Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

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