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Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

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General thread for the other promotions who wouldn't warrent a full one on the majority of events! Anybody watching Bellator & WSOF tonight? There's some great fights on IMO! Looking forward to seeing Brooks, Nick Newell, Joe Schilling, Aldo's translator Saul and a few others. Fairly decent night of fights!

Bellator Stream here - http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/4/10/8377017/bellator-136-live-stream-online

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pablohoney87

callaway92 wrote: »

Not sure what’s appealing about that fight at all.

Theres rarely a fitch fight to get excited about but hes on a streak against the other top guys in the division. A fight that probavly had to be made at some point

Paully D

https://twitter.com/antwalkermma/status/1088543093832376320?s=21

callaway92

dulux99 wrote: »

Jon Fitch vs Rory MacDonald happening in April. Decent fight.

Not sure what’s appealing about that fight at all.

dulux99

Jon Fitch vs Rory MacDonald happening in April. Decent fight.

Subcomandante Marcos

Paully D wrote: »

The Dublin Bellator show must be selling extremely well.

I went on to Ticketmaster earlier to check and they only had cageside seats and singles in the normal seats left.

Will they open up the whole arena for this with that in mind?

Just till the week of and half of SBG will be selling tickets for less than face value.

Paully D

The Dublin Bellator show must be selling extremely well.

I went on to Ticketmaster earlier to check and they only had cageside seats and singles in the normal seats left.

Will they open up the whole arena for this with that in mind?

Autecher

Norman Parke has joined the bareknuckle boxing promotion. I've no memory of him being great with his hands but I hope for his sake I am wrong.

Whelo79

Paul is the one that was quoted but John is also on the card and made a big deal about his move from Ryano to SBG last year.

I've seen Moore training at SBG a lot but haven't seen anything specific mentioned about it so I don't know if it's a permanent or temporary move from FAI. I suppose we'll know soon enough when it comes to any interviews or who is in his corner.

DrPhilG

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Its john were talking about isnt it?

Paul is the one facing a 15-9 opponent and he said Redmond was at Ryano. So it's Paul that Whelo was talking about.

pablohoney87

DrPhilG wrote: »

Paul Redmond with SGB?

I think not.

John Redmond is with SGB.

Its john were talking about isnt it?

DrPhilG

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Both Moore and Redmond seem to be fully with SBG now.

Paul Redmond with SGB?

I think not.

John Redmond is with SGB.

pablohoney87

Whelo79 wrote: »

Smullen (3-1) against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s (1-1) opponent is 2-6, Redser’s (14-7 and is Team Ryano, not SBG) opponent 15-9, Crosbie (5-0) vs 3-2, Kiely (2-1) vs 3-4, Moore (8-2) vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher (7-1) vs 6-3.

A bit more perspective on it with the Irish fighters records imputed. Crosbie and Gallagher are the only ones lopsided in my opinion and they are not that far off.

What do you want? Them all against 4-0, 6-1, 7-0, 10-1 fighters?? No SBG fighter listed there has more than 8 (Gallagher has 8, next is Crosbie with 5) pro fights (I'm not counting Moore, he fights out of FAI and not SBG but he has been training with SBG lately.

Both Moore and Redmond seem to be fully with SBG now.

Whelo79

Autecher wrote: »

Slightly off topic but does anyone know who is regulating this? Who are the commission for Irish mma events?

Safe MMA Ireland sanction all fights here as far as I am aware. Dr Dan Healy is the man behind all the brain scans, which are the major factor for allowing a fighter to compete here.

Whelo79

Paully D wrote: »

Even more perspective:

- Smullen's opponent has had 1 fight in BAMMA (a first round TKO loss) and his best win is at Cage Legacy level. Smullen was recently on TUF and fought in the UFC.

- Leah McCourt's opponent has 1 win since 2011 and has lost her lost 5, all by sub or finish.

- Redser's opponent has, in fairness, fought and won in Bellator but has spent the majority of his career fighting in the world renowned Full Contact Contender and Budo Fight Championships also losing 2 of his 3 fights in Brave, while Redser himself has fought at UFC level and won fights in KSW, Bellator and BAMMA.

- Karl Moore's opponent has lost his last 3, 2 of which he was KO'd in and 1 in which he was submitted.

- Kiely's opponent is a 38 year old on a 4 fight losing streak who has fought in promotions of such a poor level that it's not even worth discussing. It's an utter joke of a matchup and shouldn't have been sanctioned.

No one is expecting them to be matched up against killers, but these are clearly extremely favourable, some bordering on ridiculous, matchups for the home fighters. No doubt they'll all win and we'll be hearing rubbish about how it was another special night for Irish MMA comparing it to McGregor vs Brandao.

I have my ticket and will be there cheering the lads on anyway, but this card makes most boxing undercards look competitive.

It's favorable match making alright, as you get in many promotions for the hometown fighters, but I wouldn't call any of them ridiculous. Kiely has no MMA experience outside of his BAMMA fights.

Absolutely the intention is that the majority of Irish lads will win and it will set Bellator up for a return visit and bigger crowds.

Autecher

Paully D wrote: »

- Kiely's opponent is a 38 year old on a 4 fight losing streak who has fought in promotions of such a poor level that it's not even worth discussing. It's an utter joke of a matchup and shouldn't have been sanctioned.

Slightly off topic but does anyone know who is regulating this? Who are the commission for Irish mma events?

Paully D

Whelo79 wrote: »

Smullen (3-1) against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s (1-1) opponent is 2-6, Redser’s (14-7 and is Team Ryano, not SBG) opponent 15-9, Crosbie (5-0) vs 3-2, Kiely (2-1) vs 3-4, Moore (8-2) vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher (7-1) vs 6-3.

A bit more perspective on it with the Irish fighters records imputed. Crosbie and Gallagher are the only ones lopsided in my opinion and they are not that far off.

What do you want? Them all against 4-0, 6-1, 7-0, 10-1 fighters?? No SBG fighter listed there has more than 8 (Gallagher has 8, next is Crosbie with 5) pro fights (I'm not counting Moore, he fights out of FAI and not SBG but he has been training with SBG lately.

Even more perspective:

- Smullen's opponent has had 1 fight in BAMMA (a first round TKO loss) and his best win is at Cage Legacy level. Smullen was recently on TUF and fought in the UFC.

- Leah McCourt's opponent has 1 win since 2011 and has lost her lost 5, all by sub or finish.

- Redser's opponent has, in fairness, fought and won in Bellator but has spent the majority of his career fighting in the world renowned Full Contact Contender and Budo Fight Championships also losing 2 of his 3 fights in Brave, while Redser himself has fought at UFC level and won fights in KSW, Bellator and BAMMA.

- Karl Moore's opponent has lost his last 3, 2 of which he was KO'd in and 1 in which he was submitted.

- Kiely's opponent is a 38 year old on a 4 fight losing streak who has fought in promotions of such a poor level that it's not even worth discussing. It's an utter joke of a matchup and shouldn't have been sanctioned.

No one is expecting them to be matched up against killers, but these are clearly extremely favourable, some bordering on ridiculous, matchups for the home fighters. No doubt they'll all win and we'll be hearing rubbish about how it was another special night for Irish MMA comparing it to McGregor vs Brandao.

I have my ticket and will be there cheering the lads on anyway, but this card makes most boxing undercards look competitive.

TerrorFirmer

Whoops, had to delete my earlier post as I got Brian and Karl Moore mixed up, but the records aren't that mismatched really in most cases.

Whelo79

but1er wrote: »

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Their ye go whelo79 all cans.

Smullen (3-1) against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s (1-1) opponent is 2-6, Redser’s (14-7 and is Team Ryano, not SBG) opponent 15-9, Crosbie (5-0) vs 3-2, Kiely (2-1) vs 3-4, Moore (8-2) vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher (7-1) vs 6-3.

A bit more perspective on it with the Irish fighters records imputed. Crosbie and Gallagher are the only ones lopsided in my opinion and they are not that far off.

What do you want? Them all against 4-0, 6-1, 7-0, 10-1 fighters?? No SBG fighter listed there has more than 8 (Gallagher has 8, next is Crosbie with 5) pro fights (I'm not counting Moore, he fights out of FAI and not SBG but he has been training with SBG lately.

Autecher

but1er wrote: »

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Their ye go whelo79 all cans.

The records of the Irish lads aren't too different mostly, Redmond is 14-7 fighting a 15-9 opponent for example. That being said they have likely been given favourable fights anyway since Bellator invested heavily in Irish fighters last year so they were always going to do this, they don't want them all to lose on the first show with so many Irish fighters on it. Just look at my post about the 0-12 fighter from earlier to see how much Bellator care about records.

but1er

Whelo79 wrote: »

Other than who Bellator send Gallagher's way, what other SBG fighters are being handed cans?

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Their ye go whelo79 all cans.

AlmightyCushion

Paully D wrote: »

Full lineup for that Bellator card revealed.

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Laugahable matchmaking.

We're not here to take part, we're here to fight cans!

Paully D

Full lineup for that Bellator card revealed.

Smullen against a 3-3 bloke, McCourt’s opponent is 2-6, Redser’s opponent 15-9, Crosbie vs 3-2, Kiely vs 3-4, Moore vs 8-4. The main event Gallagher vs 6-3.

Laugahable matchmaking.

Autecher

Bellator signed an 0-12 fighter to a contract to fight at Bellator 216 but the fight was pulled by the commission. Things like this is why people that say that Bellator will surpass the UFC are very wrong.

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/113820-anastasia-bruce

https://twitter.com/MyMMANews/status/1082780870384205825

Autecher

John Kavanagh is coaching 13 fighters for the Dublin Bellator show in February. They are all in camp at the same time. 4 weeks in Ireland, 2 in Iceland then back home a week before the show. He is a very hardworking man I will give him that.

jimmii

Was really expecting him to put in a much better showing than that. Granted he may have never been hit like that before but it was like he had never taken a hit before at all bizarre.

ERG89

Mayweather caught him a few times but really think the guy was selling the punches as every time he got knocked down it was like a funeral but then he found his balance instantly once the ref asked him to continue.
These cards always come across weird and not just the theatrics. Even Horiguchi winning the guillotine was strange. It was like Caldwell put his head right into it, maybe he was tired after the opening 2 rounds but it was only a 3 round title fight.
Gabi Garcia would legit be the most intimidating woman on the planet if she could strike, even without the supplements she's physically quite imposing and I can see why the Japanese like her. How Mackenzie Dern survived grappling her several times is a mystery.
The Teepee choke was something else, still can't wrap my head around it

Zero-Cool

Full fight here, skip the first 15 minutes of bollox acting. Embarrassing to watch. Looked like Floyd was happy acting the eejit until Tenshin actually connected with him in the first exchange and Floyd decided to just wreck him. The falling, crying, dancing, awful shyte.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KABY19dOag

[Deleted User]

Lukker- wrote: »

I can't imagine Rizin would have a fix in that literally made one of their star attractions look like a little child getting slapped by a flabby 41 year old.

Multiple parties can fix a fight, it doesn't have to be the organization. Can be a gambling syndicate or other third party. One or both fighters can be in on it.

All sorts of weird stuff happens in Japan, you hear the old Pride stories about passports being confiscated.

Floyd looked mortified during the initial fight press conference, pulled out when he got back on American soil, then it's back on. Is it a fight or an exhibition? Were both guys treating it as a fight? I have no idea. Just too much weirdness surrounding this.

Lukker-

Deleted User wrote: »

The way your man reacted to the first knock-down (trip?) looked theatrical as hell. He flailed around and rolled over onto his belly ... it just did not look natural.

Not going to over-analyse it ... it was a weird freakshow fight in Japan with odd circumstances in the build-up. You never know what's going on in Japan with gambling fixes, shoots, 'exhibitions' etc.

First one looked weird but I think it just caught him off guard. Floyd only started throwing seriously when he got tagged by a left hook. After that he just walked forward without any respect for his power.

I can't imagine Rizin would have a fix in that literally made one of their star attractions look like a little child getting slapped by a flabby 41 year old.

[Deleted User]

The way your man reacted to the first knock-down (trip?) looked theatrical as hell. He flailed around and rolled over onto his belly ... it just did not look natural.

Not going to over-analyse it ... it was a weird freakshow fight in Japan with odd circumstances in the build-up. You never know what's going on in Japan with gambling fixes, shoots, 'exhibitions' etc. I don't know what I was supposed to be looking at.