Leinster Schools Rugby 2012-2013 [Provincial Schools Thread Link in Post 1]

Leinster5 · 02-01-2013 12:28am

TheTalk wrote: »

I'd say Harold, Maloney, Ryan, Penny and Murphy the probable second and front row for michaels. Any idea what the starting 15 is for michaels is? (Byrne and McCarthy are a given at halfback also)

I'm pretty sure you named the 2nd rows and back rows there. Coulson will be one prop, but I can't remember the names of the hooker and the other Prop.

RuggerLad222 · 02-01-2013 8:33pm

Belvedere College draw with CBC Cork 12-12, Terenure College Beat CBC Cork 6-3 before Christmas

Higher · 02-01-2013 8:41pm

RuggerLad222 wrote: »

Belvedere College draw with CBC Cork 12-12, Terenure College Beat CBC Cork 6-3 before Christmas

Wouldn't really read much into it, Leinster schools always experiment in the pre-season games. Don't think it means Belvedere are anywhere near this years Nure team.

breffnimartin1 · 03-01-2013 6:33pm

Anyone know what CUS Seniors are like this year?

MacaqueBreeder · 03-01-2013 11:51pm

Newbridge are not to be written off lads, the team went away to a training facility in Poland over Christmas and are said to have bonded hugely and are reaping the benefits now. Won their last game against Warsaw Warriors 75 - 0.

The coaches have also brought in some very clever tactics, I won't reveal all but for example before every match the team sits down together and recreates the entire Titanic movie. Has really helped improved their fluidity, particularly in the backline from what I'm told.

breffnimartin1 · 04-01-2013 12:01am

They fluidly sink straight to the bottom?

Stanza2 · 04-01-2013 12:31am

MacaqueBreeder wrote: »

Newbridge are not to be written off lads, the team went away to a training facility in Poland over Christmas and are said to have bonded hugely and are reaping the benefits now. Won their last game against Warsaw Warriors 75 - 0.

The coaches have also brought in some very clever tactics, I won't reveal all but for example before every match the team sits down together and recreates the entire Titanic movie. Has really helped improved their fluidity, particularly in the backline from what I'm told.

That'll be a three hour warm up then?

TheTalk · 04-01-2013 1:28am

I think the draw of cup is really unfair on castleknock and gonzaga and really soft on others.

its_phil · 04-01-2013 4:09am

TheTalk wrote: »

I think the draw of cup is really unfair on castleknock and gonzaga and really soft on others.

Well that's the beauty and the beast of a draw isn't it?

Gordon Gecko · 04-01-2013 10:51am

TheTalk wrote: »

I think the draw of cup is really unfair on castleknock and gonzaga and really soft on others.

It's only the first round and if they were the quality teams you seem to think they are it shouldn't matter who they get drawn against.

RobbieRuns · 04-01-2013 12:06pm

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

It's only the first round and if they were the quality teams you seem to think they are it shouldn't matter who they get drawn against.

I agree

Quint2010 · 04-01-2013 1:35pm

TheTalk wrote: »

I think the draw of cup is really unfair on castleknock and gonzaga and really soft on others.

There are no easy games for any teams this year-Gonzaga reached the league final and Castleknock the semi's. The teams playing them will underestimate them at their peril.

Leinster5 · 05-01-2013 3:52pm

Clongowes and Roscrea picked up comfortable wins today. As did Michaels beating PCP Cork 38-8 according to their site. All the big teams seem to be upping their games weeks before the cup.

Quint2010 · 05-01-2013 4:09pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

Clongowes and Roscrea picked up comfortable wins today. As did Michaels beating PCP Cork 38-8 according to their site. All the big teams seem to be upping their games weeks before the cup.

So 'Michaels thrash Pres Cork who beat Terenure only a week ago. Can't wait for the bookies odds-might back 'Michaels. They have such a strong squad. Terenure have not had a convincing win since November early December

Wattle · 05-01-2013 4:30pm

Seems to me that this current Michael's squad have developed a lot better than Terenure since Junior Cup days a few years ago. There seems to be a better coaching regime at Michael's. Terenure are talented but they don't seem to have been developed to their full potential.

Leinster5 · 05-01-2013 5:19pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

So 'Michaels thrash Pres Cork who beat Terenure only a week ago. Can't wait for the bookies odds-might back 'Michaels. They have such a strong squad. Terenure have not had a convicining win since November.

I've been saying all along, this St. Michaels side has so much talent. The only reason they lost to Blackrock is largely down to the fact that they were missing over 7 players. Still wouldn't rule out Terenure, but I'll be surprised if St. Michaels aren't favorites.

TheKeenMachine · 05-01-2013 5:32pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

So 'Michaels thrash Pres Cork who beat Terenure only a week ago. Can't wait for the bookies odds-might back 'Michaels. They have such a strong squad. Terenure have not had a convicining win since November.

Loving the mind games Quint!

Dev5976 · 05-01-2013 5:39pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

I've been saying all along, this St. Michaels side has so much talent. The only reason they lost to Blackrock is largely down to the fact that they were missing over 7 players. Still wouldn't rule out Terenure, but I'll be surprised if St. Michaels aren't favorites.

Bookies odds do not matter one little bit - as Roscrea so nearly showed last year. This is going to be a very interesting Cup, and i think the winners will be any one of Terenure, St Michaels and Blackrock, depending on who shows up come cup time. Should be some cracking matches ahead.

Bridge93 · 05-01-2013 6:08pm

I heard Blackrock beat Methody in Belfast 32-5 today

Oldboy 92 · 05-01-2013 9:24pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

Clongowes and Roscrea picked up comfortable wins today. As did Michaels beating PCP Cork 38-8 according to their site. All the big teams seem to be upping their games weeks before the cup.

Who did they play?

funtime93 · 06-01-2013 12:16am

I still think it might be a year or two too soon for this crop of Michaels players.A friend of mine in the school tells me there is a huge number of fourth years in their squad.Can anyone confirm this?

Gordon Gecko · 06-01-2013 10:37am

funtime93 wrote: »

I still think it might be a year or two too soon for this crop of Michaels players.A friend of mine in the school tells me there is a huge number of fourth years in their squad.Can anyone confirm this?

Well in fairness these Michael's players have all made it to a Junior final, some have an S medal in the sock drawer and the rest have seen the promised land reached last year so I'd say they are all more than ready for this year.

rje66 · 06-01-2013 1:19pm

Castleknock 22 - marys 5 .

Quint2010 · 06-01-2013 1:29pm

rje66 wrote: »

Castleknock 22 - marys 5 .

Good win for Castleknock although I suspect 'Michaels will hammer them.

breffnimartin1 · 06-01-2013 3:32pm

Understrength Pres beat CUS 25-10 on Friday in a 3 25 minute side training game - a few clips here: http://www.youtube.com/user/breffnimartin

Pres lads report that CUS filthiest team they've played so far (and Pres are no shrinking violets) - match finished in a brawl but all smiles and handshakes afterwards - CUS will struggle to beat Andrews in the vinnie murray on that performance.

The constant yelling of instructions at the ref from the CUS coach didn't help their cause!

fox_1973 · 06-01-2013 4:29pm

St. Munchins 10 Terenure 16

Quint2010 · 06-01-2013 4:42pm

fox_1973 wrote: »

St. Munchins 10 Terenure 16

'Michaels Blackrock put 50 points on 'Munchins last week. What happened today?

fox_1973 · 06-01-2013 6:07pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

'Michaels put 50 points on 'Munchins last week. What happened today?

Don't know, I wasn't at the game, was it the full team? If so well then it doesn't look good

TheTalk · 06-01-2013 7:39pm

Michaels are a very good side with lots of strength and depth, no doubt about that. But they don't have anyone of the quality in the mould of brewer or dardis or even Fromm of clongowes. Great side but they have no special individuals that will make the leinster academy IMO. That's the difference between them and nure

Leinster5 · 06-01-2013 7:53pm

TheTalk wrote: »

Michaels are a very good side with lots of strength and depth, no doubt about that. But they don't have anyone of the quality in the mould of brewer or dardis or even Fromm of clongowes. Great side but they have no special individuals that will make the leinster academy IMO. That's the difference between them and nure

Then what are likes of Byrne, Kelleher, Murphy, Moloney & Ryan considered ? I'm a huge fan of Fromm, he's a beast and has so much to offer, but this Clongowes team are useless. I have yet to find one reason why St. Michaels won't be winning the cup for a 2nd year in a row. Terenure rely far too heavily on Brewer, Dardis and O'Neill.

Quint2010 · 06-01-2013 8:25pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

Then what are likes of Byrne, Kelleher, Murphy, Moloney & Ryan considered ? I'm a huge fan of Fromm, he's a beast and has so much to offer, but this Clongowes team are useless. I have yet to find one reason why St. Michaels won't be winning the cup for a 2nd year in a row. Terenure rely far too heavily on Brewer, Dardis and O'Neill.

Well O'Neill hasn't played all season but agree that if Terenure were to lose Brewer or Dardis then they would be screwed. They seem to be still winning matches but not with the same fluency as earlier in the season whereas 'Michaels seem to be pulling things together and peaking just at the right time. Blackrock too.

Leinster5 · 06-01-2013 8:34pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Well O'Neill hasn't played all season but agree that if Terenure were to lose Brewer or Dardis then they would be screwed. They seem to be still winning matches but not with the same fluency as earlier in the season whereas 'Michaels seem to be pulling things together and peaking just at the right time. Blackrock too.

Blackrock have been very lucky in the sense that they've barely suffered any bad injuries from what I've seen in the 4 games I've seen them play this year, likewise with Clongowes. St. Michaels haven't played near their full strength team yet{even though I understand that Kelleher won't be fit for the first round, according to a Clongowes coach I know personally who works in the Irish Schools set up}. We saw last year, that 3 or 4 outstanding individuals can't win you a cup, even if I thought we would hammer St. Michaels in the Final. How wrong I was

Player14 · 06-01-2013 10:45pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

'Michaels put 50 points on 'Munchins last week. What happened today?

You're wrong there Quint. 'Michaels have only beaten Pres Cork over the Christmas

Imhof Tank · 06-01-2013 10:51pm

breffnimartin1 wrote: »

Understrength Pres beat CUS 25-10 on Friday in a 3 25 minute side training game - a few clips here: http://www.youtube.com/user/breffnimartin

Pres lads report that CUS filthiest team they've played so far (and Pres are no shrinking violets) - match finished in a brawl but all smiles and handshakes afterwards - CUS will struggle to beat Andrews in the vinnie murray on that performance.

The constant yelling of instructions at the ref from the CUS coach didn't help their cause!

More great camera work Breffni. Brought me back in time to the mid 80s - first girlfriend's house featuring prominently behind the posts at the Putland Road end.

What is the feeling in the Pres camp regarding the Kilkenny game? Quiet confidence??

Bridge93 · 06-01-2013 10:56pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

'Michaels put 50 points on 'Munchins last week. What happened today?

It was Blackrock who put 50 up against Munchins last week. I don't think Michaels played them

Quint2010 · 06-01-2013 10:58pm

Player14 wrote: »

You're wrong there Quint. 'Michaels have only beaten Pres Cork over the Christmas

Sorry my apologies-it was Blackrock. Fixed it now.:)

Player14 · 06-01-2013 11:00pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Sorry my apologies-it was Blackrock. Fixed it now.:)

Were Blackrock at home and Nure away? That's the only reason I could think of that would lead to very different scores. I know personally that it's difficult to win in 'Munchins.

clsmooth · 07-01-2013 10:44am

Player14 wrote: »

Were Blackrock at home and Nure away? That's the only reason I could think of that would lead to very different scores. I know personally that it's difficult to win in 'Munchins.

Is it though? It's hardly the Stade Marcel-Michelin

funtime93 · 07-01-2013 12:20pm

Player14 wrote: »

Were Blackrock at home and Nure away? That's the only reason I could think of that would lead to very different scores. I know personally that it's difficult to win in 'Munchins.

Home advantage means nothing at schools level.Realistically there won't be a big crowd that can be the 16th man like at pro level so saying it is tough to win at a particular school is utter nonsense.

RobbieRuns · 07-01-2013 12:41pm

Home advantage is always........................ an advantage.

Player14 · 07-01-2013 1:08pm

funtime93 wrote: »

Home advantage means nothing at schools level.Realistically there won't be a big crowd that can be the 16th man like at pro level so saying it is tough to win at a particular school is utter nonsense.

Well I know myself that it's not nonsense. Especially when teams get long bus journeys down there to play. There is definite effects due to travelling too a different county for a schoolboy match.

Quint2010 · 07-01-2013 1:22pm

Player14 wrote: »

Well I know myself that it's not nonsense. Especially when teams get long bus journeys down there to play. There is definite effects due to travelling too a different county for a schoolboy match.

Well they won. Not convincingly-but they still won. Which is the sign of a good team I suppose.

Player14 · 07-01-2013 1:30pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Well they won. Not convincingly-but they still won. Which is the sign of a good team I suppose.

No doubt that both are good teams

SpermDoner · 07-01-2013 3:46pm

funtime93 wrote: »

Home advantage means nothing at schools level.Realistically there won't be a big crowd that can be the 16th man like at pro level so saying it is tough to win at a particular school is utter nonsense.

Stay away from the Kenil Marys' mighty fortress

RobbieRuns · 07-01-2013 4:38pm

In rugby the best team wins I would say 90% of the time........ but, to say that you do not have an advantage by having the home fixture is just plain silly. In schoolboy rugby you will always have strong teams who win most games and dare I say it they will win by more at home than away. Playing at home is always better, for any team.

Laird · 07-01-2013 5:44pm

Paddy Power latest cup odds.

Terenure 5/4, Rock 3/1, Michaels 5/1, Clongowes 7/1, Roscrea 10/1,

Marys 25/1, Belvo 25/1.

The rest 35/1 and upwards.

Quint2010 · 07-01-2013 6:59pm

Laird wrote: »

Paddy Power latest cup odds.

Terenure 5/4, Rock 3/1, Michaels 5/1, Clongowes 7/1, Roscrea 10/1,

Marys 25/1, Belvo 25/1.

The rest 35/1 and upwards.

where did you get those odds? The latest odds I can see has Terenure at 9/4, Blackrock at 4/1, 'Michaels at 6/1, Clongowes at 8/1, Roscrea at 11/1, Mary's and Belvedere at 26/1.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/leinster-senior-cup

If word on here is to believed 'Michaels look very good value..

SpermDoner · 07-01-2013 7:00pm

Laird wrote: »

Paddy Power latest cup odds.

Terenure 5/4, Rock 3/1, Michaels 5/1, Clongowes 7/1, Roscrea 10/1,

Marys 25/1, Belvo 25/1.

The rest 35/1 and upwards.

Clongowes at 7/1 is very generous, they would be in the 35/1 range for me

Laird · 07-01-2013 7:19pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

where did you get those odds? The latest odds I can see has Terenure at 9/4, Blackrock at 4/1, 'Michaels at 6/1, Clongowes at 8/1, Roscrea at 11/1, Mary's and Belvedere at 26/1.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/leinster-senior-cup

If word on here is to believed 'Michaels look very good value..

They are the latest odds quoted at 4pm today.
There is no way one would get Terenure at 9/4,
some bet if youcould get those odds.

Laird · 07-01-2013 7:20pm

Laird wrote: »

They are the latest odds quoted at 4pm today.
There is no way one would get Terenure at 9/4,
some bet if youcould get those odds.

##Sorry meant to say qouted by Paddy Powera.

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