The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

blanch152 · 12-08-2019 9:59pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

No back door.
No super 8s.
More chance of an upset.

Play semi finals away from Croke Park.
Cant see the GAA moving finals.

Reduce subs to 3.
After 2 black cards next one is a red or sin bin.
Basically reduce the squad impact.

These are all back of the envelope tinkering ideas...

Dublin didn't bring on a substitute on Saturday until the game was over and they were 10 points ahead.

Treble double · 12-08-2019 10:00pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I don't now, you tell me? Are you trying to deny there's a huge dominance in football or unfair advantages?

Obviously they are dominating football now. But it won't last forever. Kerry have won the last 5 minor championships in a row and Dublin haven't won one since 2012. It's cyclical like most things.
It will end eventually. Golden crop of players now.

Spot on, cyclical is the word, there is nothing earth shattering happening here, they have a golden crop of players and the are maximising success with them, fair play to them, but it won't last forever and there is a 50/50 chance they won't get the holy grail of a five in a row.

Donnielighto · 12-08-2019 10:01pm

blanch152 wrote: »

6 different clubs have won this century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Senior_Hurling_Championship

In Tipperary, six different clubs have won this century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipperary_Senior_Hurling_Championship

Thurles Sarsfields with 8 have been more dominant than Ballyboden with seven.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilkenny_Senior_Hurling_Championship

In Kilkenny it has been seven, with Ballyhale as dominant with seven as Ballyboden in Dublin.

One of the things that most annoys Dublin fans on this forum is the ignorance displayed both about the county team and the clubs within the county. Anyone with a small bit of knowledge about the club hurling scene, or who took five minutes to check wouldn't have posted the above.

If you are going to construct an argument against Dublin, at least get the facts correct, and when it comes to the money, include all the money all of the counties get, and then adjust it per capita.

About the hurling I've said that they were progressing, I got championship record wrong but I've think the rest of my point stand that it's pretty much a time lag on producing hurlers and we'll see Dublin challenging then.

blanch152 wrote: »

Your argument was that only a few hurling clubs in Dublin were in with any chance of being successful and that one club dominated and this was somehow different to elsewhere. When the facts were examined, there was little difference between the Dublin, Tipperary and Kilkenny championships.

That lines up with the improved championship performance fair enough but was part of a larger part about why they aren't dominant now. My champ info was out of date but the other reasons I gave are valid I think.

Colaiste eoin do still produce a lot of the players for the county team afaik.

Why do you think the footballers are so much better than the hurlers?

ToBeFrank123 · 12-08-2019 10:02pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I have already posted the facts in another thread, but here they are again for ease of reference.

From the 21 players that played in the 2015 final, there has only been Bastick, Alan Brogan and Paul Flynn who have left the panel. Two of the unused subs are gone - Brady and Savage - but the other three unused subs are still on the panel, meaning that 21 of the 26 named for the 2015 All-Ireland final are still involved with Dublin.

How many of the Kerry team that played that day will play on the 1st of September? Well, I don’t think we will see Aidan O’Mahony, Brendan Kealy, Fionan Fitzgerald, Jonathon Lyne, Peter Crowley, Anthony Maher, Johnny Buckley, Donncha Walsh, Colm Cooper, James O’Donoghue, Brian Kelly, Kieran Donaghy, Bryan Sheehan, Barry John Keane, Darren O’Sullivan or Paul Galvin, will we? That is 16 of the Kerry 26 in 2015 who I don’t expect to see anywhere near the Kerry 26 on the 1st September (I am happy to be corrected if I have got one wrong).

Apart from the five who I mentioned earlier, three others from the Dublin 26 in 2015 didn’t make the squad last Saturday - Bernard Brogan, Rory O’Carroll and Darren Daly - which meant that remarkably 18 of the 26 who were in the 26-man Dublin squad for the 2015 All-Ireland final were still in the squad last Saturday. Only around 10 of that Kerry squad survive.

If there is one thing that you can say about this Dublin team is that it hasn’t changed anywhere near as quickly or as much as its rivals. That means when the end comes, it will come quickly, as they will have to replace quite a few at the same time.

These are the facts.

To give another example, of the Mayo team that started the 2012 All-Ireland final, there are only five who started last Saturday - Keegan, Vaughan, Boyle, Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor. All teams evolve. Dublin's team has actually evolved less than any other of the big counties.

I see you've included the absolute sham of a game in Omagh in which Bernard Brogan, O'Gara and Connolly featured to make your case. O'Gara and Brogan are not even squad players any more, at least be honest about that. The game in Omagh was a nothing fixture.

I also said clearly the starting forwards in big games these days has no relation to 2011. O'Gara, Brogan, Connolly etc are has beens or no longer starters.

Lets see what the starting line up is for the final and compare it to 2011.

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 10:03pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Dublin didn't bring on a substitute on Saturday until the game was over and they were 10 points ahead.

More subs then ðŸ˜႒ ?

Theres been a lot of games where the Dublin bench has made a difference. Bigger better squad= better bench.
In theory.

LiamoSail · 12-08-2019 10:03pm

The big problem with Dublin's dominance is that it's Dublin who are dominating. Take solace in the knowledge that your grandchildren will be Dublin fans

ClanofLams · 12-08-2019 10:05pm

blanch152 wrote: »

This is what happens all the time though. Someone with zero knowledge of the Dublin club scene takes off on an ill-informed rant about Dublin's advantages.

99% of the people who talk about Dublin's financial advantages haven't a clue about the amount of activity at underage level in Dublin and the amount of work put into looking after every kid who wants to play.

Is there any justification for Dublin to receive almost thirteen times what Cork received from ‘07 to ‘18? When the population difference is two and a half times?

Work goes in every county to looking after all kids. You seem to be implying that is unique to Dublin or something.

ToBeFrank123 · 12-08-2019 10:07pm

LiamoSail wrote: »

The big problem with Dublin's dominance is that it's Dublin who are dominating. Take solace in the knowledge that your grandchildren will be Dublin fans

Our grandchildren will have no interest in gaelic football. In fact many Dublin kids today have no interest in gaelic football! Because even they see it as boring and one sided with little competitive interest.

The falling attendences and tv audiences support this. The GAA won't be able to give away tickets to Leinster finals in future!

gormdubhgorm · 12-08-2019 10:08pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Didn't Dublin win a few of the finals by only a point and one after a replay?

Yep 2011 won it against the run of play v Kerry - Kerry pulled up were caught cold momentum shifted

2013 - Although Dublin controlled the game O'Connor's dilly dallying aided Dublin's win

2016 - was delighted with the draw Mayo should defo have won the first game stupid og's keeper mistakes

- in the second game Costello won it with his three points from the bench - thought Dublin deserved it

2017 - if O'connor had got his free instead of hitting the post could easily have been a draw

I honestly cannot see Dublin dominating in five years time.
The quality coming through is just not the same as Fenton, Mannion, McCarthy, Scully, Kilkenny will be in thier 30's - Cluxton will be gone, Rock will likely be gone 34

Nothing lasts forever and all great teams fade.

Donnielighto · 12-08-2019 10:08pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

Is there any justification for Dublin to receive almost thirteen times what Cork received from ‘07 to ‘18? When the population difference is two and a half times?

Work goes in every county to looking after all kids. You seem to be implying that is unique to Dublin or something.

Is that central funding, self generated or both?

Inspector Coptoor · 12-08-2019 10:10pm

Donnielighto wrote: »

Is that central funding, self generated or both?

That’s just central funding.

They get €1M a year from AIG as well in sponsorship and that’s just scratching the surface

LeinsterDub · 12-08-2019 10:10pm

Donnielighto wrote: »

Did you read the thread, info is a few years out of date acknowledged and I've clarified why is see they aren't dominant now, they are effectively further along than I thought they were.

Fancy having another go at why Dublin aren't dominating Hurling so? Given they've all the same advantages as the footballers?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 12-08-2019 10:14pm

Football is Dublin's primary focus. They always had some success there. Hurling started at a much lower point but Dublin have improved.

ClanofLams · 12-08-2019 10:14pm

Donnielighto wrote: »

Is that central funding, self generated or both?

Sorry should have specified. It’s funding for coaching and development, can be seen below.

https://twitter.com/seanmcgoldrick1/status/1093268753725431808?s=21

Donnielighto · 12-08-2019 10:15pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Fancy having another go at why Dublin aren't dominating Hurling so? Given they've all the same advantages as the footballers?

I've already answered that in thread.

C__MC · 12-08-2019 10:17pm

In 2006 Kerry played Dublin in a league hurling final
13 years on Dublin are a formidable hurling county who knocked galway out

Hurling is healthy in Dublin, finance played a big part

Camogie and lgfa is also on an upward curve

ToBeFrank123 · 12-08-2019 10:18pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yep 2011 won it against the run of play v Kerry - Kerry pulled up were caught cold momentum shifted

2013 - Although Dublin controlled the game O'Connor's dilly dallying aided Dublin's win

2016 - was delighted with the draw Mayo should defo have won the first game stupid og's keeper mistakes

- in the second game Costello won it with his three points from the bench - thought Dublin deserved it

2017 - if O'connor had got his free instead of hitting the post could easily have been a draw

I honestly cannot see Dublin dominating in five years time.
The quality coming through is just not the same as Fenton, Mannion, McCarthy, Scully, Kilkenny will be in thier 30's - Cluxton will be gone, Rock will likely be gone 34

Nothing lasts forever and all great teams fade.

They don't really need anything to come through for another 3 or 4 years at least and they'll have won another 5 in a row by then.

Father Hernandez · 12-08-2019 10:19pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Our grandchildren will have no interest in gaelic football. In fact many Dublin kids today have no interest in gaelic football! Because even they see it as boring and one sided with little competitive interest.

The falling attendences and tv audiences support this. The GAA won't be able to give away tickets to Leinster finals in future!

Dublin kids today do in fact have interest.

According to the Dublin county board, Dublin has grown participation rates in football in the last 10 years by 58%, in hurling it is 98%.

blanch152 · 12-08-2019 10:19pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I see you've included the absolute sham of a game in Omagh in which Bernard Brogan, O'Gara and Connolly featured to make your case. O'Gara and Brogan are not even squad players any more, at least be honest about that. The game in Omagh was a nothing fixture.

I also said clearly the starting forwards in big games these days has no relation to 2011. O'Gara, Brogan, Connolly etc are has beens or no longer starters.

Lets see what the starting line up is for the final and compare it to 2011.

The bare facts of the issue are this:

10 of the Kerry 26 in 2015 made the squad last Sunday.
18 of the Dublin 26 in 2015 made the squad last Saturday.

You can cherrypick all you like, but if you go back to 2011, I think you can compare with the Mayo team from then.

https://munster.gaa.ie/event/all-ireland-gaa-football-championship-semi-final/

Hennelly, Vaughan, Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor are the only starters that day and last Saturday. Again, nothing different or unusual.

What is unusual is how close to the 2015 team the current Dublin team is now. It is almost if Gavin hit on a winning combination and stuck to it and kept winning.

C__MC · 12-08-2019 10:23pm

To be fair Peter Keane has rebuilt Kerry from scratch
Got rid of players still in their time and is blooding youth
Unfair to compare to Dublin say from 2015

ToBeFrank123 · 12-08-2019 10:23pm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Dublin kids today do in fact have interest.

According to the Dublin county board, Dublin has grown participation rates in football in the last 10 years by 58%, in hurling it is 98%.

But registered players are still relatively low compared to Cork for example. 39,000 registered in Dublin to 34,000 in Cork according to most recent stats.

There's something like 230,000 kids in Dublin so a vast number don't participate.

Donnielighto · 12-08-2019 10:26pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The bare facts of the issue are this:

10 of the Kerry 26 in 2015 made the squad last Sunday.
18 of the Dublin 26 in 2015 made the squad last Saturday.

You can cherrypick all you like, but if you go back to 2011, I think you can compare with the Mayo team from then.

https://munster.gaa.ie/event/all-ireland-gaa-football-championship-semi-final/

Hennelly, Vaughan, Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor are the only starters that day and last Saturday. Again, nothing different or unusual.

What is unusual is how close to the 2015 team the current Dublin team is now. It is almost if Gavin hit on a winning combination and stuck to it and kept winning.

7 of the same starters from 2915 final as the Mayo game. Including subs it brings the numbers up. Good few different forwards and I think some of the guys there now we're new enough for 2015. Not huge turnover but the team age is not getting older I'd say, maintaining the correct mix and getting rid of the older blood for newer as needed. It's not wholesale change but then again it isn't the Kerry team that had 1 change bringing in spillane between first and last.

ToBeFrank123 · 12-08-2019 10:28pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The bare facts of the issue are this:

10 of the Kerry 26 in 2015 made the squad last Sunday.
18 of the Dublin 26 in 2015 made the squad last Saturday.

You can cherrypick all you like, but if you go back to 2011, I think you can compare with the Mayo team from then.

https://munster.gaa.ie/event/all-ireland-gaa-football-championship-semi-final/

Hennelly, Vaughan, Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor are the only starters that day and last Saturday. Again, nothing different or unusual.

What is unusual is how close to the 2015 team the current Dublin team is now. It is almost if Gavin hit on a winning combination and stuck to it and kept winning.

But Dublin are winning AIs that's the difference. A poster said Dublins dominance is cyclical, meaning them winning AIs will end soon.

It won't.

Quoting other counties is irrelevant.

There is zero evidence Dublins cycle has peaked and is on the wane. They are dominating now more than ever.

So its not cyclical.

ArielAtom · 12-08-2019 10:29pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

But registered players are still relatively low compared to Cork for example. 39,000 registered in Dublin to 34,000 in Cork according to most recent stats.

There's something like 230,000 kids in Dublin so a vast number don't participate.

So does this mean we can discount the population argument then?

blanch152 · 12-08-2019 10:29pm

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

That’s just central funding.

They get €1M a year from AIG as well in sponsorship and that’s just scratching the surface

To correct again, it is €800,000.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/aig-renews-sponsorship-with-dublin-gaa-in-4m-deal-1.3487922

"The sponsorship will also provide for games development officers in the county who serve local communities, clubs and schools, and funding will be available for club initiatives, including safety equipment for juveniles and education programmes."

"“This long-term commitment will allow us plan for the development of our games in the county on a sound financial footing,” he said. “With the backing of AIG, we can look forward to building on the work already being done and continue to invest in allowing as many girls and boys as possible to take part with the guidance of the best coaching.”"

All about the kids:)

Blueshoe · 12-08-2019 10:30pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yep 2011 won it against the run of play v Kerry - Kerry pulled up were caught cold momentum shifted

2013 - Although Dublin controlled the game O'Connor's dilly dallying aided Dublin's win

2016 - was delighted with the draw Mayo should defo have won the first game stupid og's keeper mistakes

- in the second game Costello won it with his three points from the bench - thought Dublin deserved it

2017 - if O'connor had got his free instead of hitting the post could easily have been a draw

I honestly cannot see Dublin dominating in five years time.
The quality coming through is just not the same as Fenton, Mannion, McCarthy, Scully, Kilkenny will be in thier 30's - Cluxton will be gone, Rock will likely be gone 34

Nothing lasts forever and all great teams fade.

For sure. It's a golden generation for Dublin football. As good and all as they are I hope Kerry somehow can turn them over in a couple of weeks. Cant see it happening but all Ireland finals or any type of finals can and do have upsets and it's a one off winner take all event. As mentioned previously many of the finals have only been won by a point. No hammerings.
Bookies have Kerry +5 @ 6/5. Il think Dublin by 3

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 10:31pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

Sorry should have specified. It’s funding for coaching and development

The funding should be spread around.

But there are limits to how much it affects results. Or Meath, Derry and Kildare would be twice the teams that Mayo and Tyrone are. And Dublin would have won a hurling all ireland.

LeinsterDub · 12-08-2019 10:31pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

Is there any justification for Dublin to receive almost thirteen times what Cork received from ‘07 to ‘18? When the population difference is two and a half times?

Work goes in every county to looking after all kids. You seem to be implying that is unique to Dublin or something.

The gaa is a democracy. This funding was democratically allocated. That's the justification

Blueshoe · 12-08-2019 10:32pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

But Dublin are winning AIs that's the difference. A poster said Dublins dominance is cyclical, meaning them winning AIs will end soon.

It won't.

Quoting other counties is irrelevant.

There is zero evidence Dublins cycle has peaked and is on the wane. They are dominating now more than ever.

So its not cyclical.

Of course it's cyclical. If not then it would be a first in sports of any description.

Kerry have won 5 minors in a row. Dublin won't drop off but they won't win it every year. Not a hope. Semi final or final for years to come but they won't win them all

beggars_bush · 12-08-2019 10:34pm

I think that Dublin GAA and most of the Dublin clubs are well capable of generating finance to fund their full time coaches, without help from the rest of us in the GAA.

It'd be nice to see the GAA as concerned about the health of the games in urban areas such as Limerick, Cork, Galway, Drogheda, Dundalk to name but a few
And also finance a model of supporting non urban clubs.
I don't see why a child in Dublin should get a better level of coaching or more frequent visit than a child elsewhere in the country
We're very quickly creating a have and have nots in the GAA

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 10:34pm

blanch152 wrote: »

To correct again, it is €800,000.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/aig-renews-sponsorship-with-dublin-gaa-in-4m-deal-1.3487922

"The sponsorship will also provide for games development officers in the county who serve local communities, clubs and schools, and funding will be available for club initiatives, including safety equipment for juveniles and education programmes."
"“This long-term commitment will allow us plan for the development of our games in the county on a sound financial footing,” he said. “With the backing of AIG, we can look forward to building on the work already being done and continue to invest in allowing as many girls and boys as possible to take part with the guidance of the best coaching.”"
All about the kids:)

Cork have a seven figure deal with Chill, spread over 3 years. I doubt Clare get that.
Should sponsorship be allowed? Capped?
A certain amount go into central funds?

beggars_bush · 12-08-2019 10:37pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The gaa is a democracy. This funding was democratically allocated. That's the justification

Who elected the Director General and full time staff who dictate policy?

The GAA is actually run like a polit bureau.

Why is Dublin treated like a province for funding when they only have one team?

ClanofLams · 12-08-2019 10:38pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

The funding should be spread around.

But there are limits to how much it affects results. Or Meath, Derry and Kildare would be twice the teams that Mayo and Tyrone are. And Dublin would have won a hurling all ireland.

Dublin hurling has been transformed. They just started at a much lower base, gone from getting beat by Offaly by fifteen points in ‘04 and knocked out by Westmeath in ‘05 to being a serious outfit that narrowly lost to All Ireland finalists Kilkenny this year, defeated Galway, drew with Wexford. Those sort of results were as unlikely fifteen years ago as Dublin winning five in a row.

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 10:39pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

Dublin hurling has been transformed. They just started at a much lower base, gone from getting beat by Offaly by fifteen points in ‘04 and knocked out by Westmeath in ‘05 to being a serious outfit that narrowly lost to All Ireland finalists Kilkenny this year, defeated Galway, drew with Wexford. Those sort of results were as unlikely fifteen years ago as Dublin winning five in a row.

Not unlikely in the late 80s or early 90s when they reached two leinster finals, losing to Kilkenny by 2 points in one. That was a serious outfit too.
There were no second chances back then alas.

Mokuba · 12-08-2019 10:41pm

blanch152 wrote: »

To correct again, it is €800,000.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/aig-renews-sponsorship-with-dublin-gaa-in-4m-deal-1.3487922

"The sponsorship will also provide for games development officers in the county who serve local communities, clubs and schools, and funding will be available for club initiatives, including safety equipment for juveniles and education programmes."

"“This long-term commitment will allow us plan for the development of our games in the county on a sound financial footing,” he said. “With the backing of AIG, we can look forward to building on the work already being done and continue to invest in allowing as many girls and boys as possible to take part with the guidance of the best coaching.”"

All about the kids:)

I notice you ignored the question about Dublin receiving 13 times the funding that Cork did, despite having 2.5 times the population. And in 2015 they had just over 5000 more registered players. But 13 times the funding. Seems a little unfair. :rolleyes:

All Dublin fans can do is bury their heads in the sand and stick their fingers in their ears. How anybody could gain satisfaction from winning a competition like this is beyond me.

It is rotten to the core. Dublin are financially doped up to their eyeballs. No other county has a hope. It'll take decades for the rest to catch up to Dublin, given their other advantages such as sponsorship, population and getting to play almost every game at home. By that point I doubt anyone will care.

Bonniedog · 12-08-2019 10:46pm

Width of a butt of a goal post between Ryan and a goal that would have beaten the Cats. Would quite possibly have gone on to win the All Ireland...…

(Goes to find a quiet corner and weep...)

Blueshoe · 12-08-2019 10:48pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Width of a butt of a goal post between Ryan and a goal that would have beaten the Cats. Would quite possibly have gone on to win the All Ireland...…

(Goes to find a quiet corner and weep...)

Ah stop.

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 10:53pm

Mokuba wrote: »

It is rotten to the core. Dublin are financially doped up to their eyeballs. No other county has a hope. It'll take decades for the rest to catch up to Dublin, given their other advantages such as sponsorship, population and getting to play almost every game at home. By that point I doubt anyone will care.

If it is rotten please explain the corruption that has led it to occur and persist.
Or it isnt rotten.

The GAA took a decision to promote the sports - both codes - in the most competitive environment for sports in the country. Or risk losing out on generations of kids to soccer or rugby.

There are lots of discrepancies in funding between counties and in spinsorship.
Looking at the twitter table it has not affected results on the field significantly. Or we would not expect to see Tyrone in a semi final given they got same funding as Leitrim and half as much as Meath.

There was nothing rotten about it.
If you have information to the contrary please share it.

Black charlie · 12-08-2019 10:55pm

Dublin footballl is very dominant due to money and population.
They are a complete professional setup
Because it is a complete professional set up underage success means very little
What matters is that young talent is identified and professionally managed into the senior set up.

There is no blaming Dublin football for what they have become - it is the natural progression of the game itself becoming more professional

I do not see any change in Dublin dominance. I would break Dublin into 2 for now and divide clubs fairly
I think this could suit everyone including the dubs as there would probably be an all dub final almost immediately.

ClanofLams · 12-08-2019 10:56pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Not unlikely in the late 80s or early 90s when they reached two leinster finals, losing to Kilkenny by 2 points in one. That was a serious outfit too.
There were no second chances back then alas.

They hadn’t won a Leinster title in fifty years and 1990 aside hadn’t even come close.

They had one Leinster club hurling title go to a Dublin club since 1970, no All Irelands.

This decade they have won a Leinster intercounty title, get Cunningham aside are very competitive against the best teams in the country and had a club win back to back All Irelands, albeit one with a few immigrants.

Saying Dublin hurling has not been transformed since funding massively jumped is really head in the sand stuff.

Black charlie · 12-08-2019 11:05pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

They hadn’t won a Leinster title in fifty years and 1990 aside hadn’t even come close.

They had one Leinster club hurling title go to a Dublin club since 1970, no All Irelands.

This decade they have won a Leinster intercounty title, get Cunningham aside are very competitive against the best teams in the country and had a club win back to back All Irelands, albeit one with a few immigrants.

Saying Dublin hurling has not been transformed since funding massively jumped is really head in the sand stuff.

I agree and hurling is a very skillful game and so the jump in performance has been overall excellent.
Also they drove tipp and Kilkenny close in early part of the decade. Two teams that included some of the best players to ever play.

Gachla · 12-08-2019 11:15pm

It's not just the Dublin senior footballers though is it? If it was just them it could be explained away, it's women's football, men's hurling, club football and hurling, underage, basically, Dublin GAA has improved in all areas. This has happened at the same time that Dublin got a huge increase in funding. It can't be just a coincidence? I saw this table on another website, it's not very pretty but it shows the big improvements in Dublin GAA.

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 11:16pm

Black charlie wrote: »

I do not see any change in Dublin dominance. I would break Dublin into 2 for now and divide clubs fairly
I think this could suit everyone including the dubs as there would probably be an all dub final almost immediately.

That final would be a killer for interest in football.

12-08-2019 11:16pm

Dominance in sport is not rare. A great team always dominates for a spell. Nobody ever sees it ending, but it always does.

This is no different.

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 11:18pm

Gachla wrote: »

It's not just the Dublin senior footballers though is it? If it was just them it could be explained away, it's women's football, men's hurling, club football and hurling, underage, basically, Dublin GAA has improved in all areas. This has happened at the same time that Dublin got a huge increase in funding. It can't be just a coincidence? I saw this table on another website, it's not very pretty but it shows the big improvements in Dublin

Of course it can be coincidence.
Or it can be down to Dublin gaa getting their act together.
Or it could be a bit of all three.

Donnielighto · 12-08-2019 11:18pm

Gachla wrote: »

It's not just the Dublin senior footballers though is it? If it was just them it could be explained away, it's women's football, men's hurling, club football and hurling, underage, basically, Dublin GAA has improved in all areas. This has happened at the same time that Dublin got a huge increase in funding. It can't be just a coincidence? I saw this table on another website, it's not very pretty but it shows the big improvements in Dublin GAA.

The title of the table will do nothing for you if you are trying to convince fans that are against you.

LeinsterDub · 12-08-2019 11:18pm

Black charlie wrote: »

Dublin footballl is very dominant due to money and population.
They are a complete professional setup
Because it is a complete professional set up underage success means very little
What matters is that young talent is identified and professionally managed into the senior set up.

There is no blaming Dublin football for what they have become - it is the natural progression of the game itself becoming more professional

I do not see any change in Dublin dominance. I would break Dublin into 2 for now and divide clubs fairly
I think this could suit everyone including the dubs as there would probably be an all dub final almost immediately.

And the Hurlers are a bunch of amateur yahoos?

odyssey06 · 12-08-2019 11:20pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

They hadn’t won a Leinster title in fifty years and 1990 aside hadn’t even come close.
They had one Leinster club hurling title go to a Dublin club since 1970, no All Irelands.
This decade they have won a Leinster intercounty title, get Cunningham aside are very competitive against the best teams in the country and had a club win back to back All Irelands, albeit one with a few immigrants.
Saying Dublin hurling has not been transformed since funding massively jumped is really head in the sand stuff.

Hurling counties wax and wane. Look at Offaly. They have fallen away not just from Dublin but the rest. Their funding is comparable with all other counties except Dublin.

Given Dublins population there is nothing transformative about it.

Calltocall · 12-08-2019 11:20pm

It’s a shambles being honest, all credit to Dublin amazing team but at the rate they are going you could easily see ten in a row, effectively killing the game as a competition, it’s no longer exciting to watch the Dubs matches as the outcome is a foregone conclusion so neutrals just switch off, not sure of the solution to be honest.

Gachla · 12-08-2019 11:21pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Of course it can be coincidence.
Or it can be down to Dublin gaa getting their act together.
Or it could be a bit of all three.

Dublin get an influx of professional coaches and suddenly standards start to rise across the board. The coaches are paid to improve standards. The connection can't be denied.

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