The glorious 12th

cgcsb · 11-07-2019 11:23am

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Of course you would throw that in.

Why on earth would a hardline unionist live in the Republic?

Loyalty to the half crown and all that. I know plenty of NI protestants who work in Dublin, but they'd more of the soft nationalist, James Nesbit types, who blush at the sight of a bonfire or an orange march. Why an out and out loyalist would take the President's euro is anyone's guess.

Gimme A Pound · 11-07-2019 11:38am

cgcsb wrote: »

Loyalty to the half crown and all that. I know plenty of NI protestants who work in Dublin, but they'd more of the soft nationalist, James Nesbit types, who blush at the sight of a bonfire or an orange march. Why an out and out loyalist would take the President's euro is anyone's guess.

Oh yeah I've worked with four unionists here. Nicest people you could meet. And very proud of their unionist backgrounds and their Britishness (but not in an aggressive way) and respectful of the other communities. Protestant in the really decent, kind Christian way. Sounds good to me.

None on Boards are like that though. Well one is ok (ish) but the rest just seem to be out to antagonise.

jam_mac_jam · 11-07-2019 11:55am

How do they get the pallets up the top is what I want to know, do people climb on the other pallets or do they use machines, fascinated.

Horrible for the people living beside them, must be really frightening

realdanbreen · 11-07-2019 12:04pm

Berserker wrote: »

citytillidie wrote: »

AHH yes the protest bonfire that hoods did after the original smaller bonfire was removed by the police as the community wanted a family fun day but the hoods got what they wanted nobody else wanted it

A republican family fun day in Londonderry/Derry. Everyone is welcome, I suppose! I think I'll leave the thread at this point. I'm heading up to Belfast tomorrow, so I've a busy day ahead.

Mind how you go, don't forget to take off the bowler hat and sash on the way back home!

NeinNeinNein · 11-07-2019 12:14pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

How do they get the pallets up the top is what I want to know, do people climb on the other pallets or do they use machines, fascinated.

Horrible for the people living beside them, must be really frightening

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blinding · 11-07-2019 12:33pm

NeinNeinNein wrote: »

The British Empire was Never Good for Your Health and Safety :eek::eek::eek:

Balanadan · 11-07-2019 12:39pm

It'd be handy if the knackers down here did the same, I have plenty of pallets to get rid of.

sjb25 · 11-07-2019 12:49pm

Berserker wrote: »

NI doesn't allow republican terrorists to stroll down the streets of it's capital city. The RoI does and aside for a few woolly remarks nothing more is made of it.

Hang on a minute here is the ira strolling down the street in Derry (may not be a capital but don’t think that matters hugely)

whisky_galore · 11-07-2019 1:43pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Loyalty to the half crown and all that. I know plenty of NI protestants who work in Dublin, but they'd more of the soft nationalist, James Nesbit types, who blush at the sight of a bonfire or an orange march. Why an out and out loyalist would take the President's euro is anyone's guess.

Nesbitt is from a Protestant family and marched with a flute band up until the Drumcree debacle.

cgcsb · 11-07-2019 2:10pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Nesbitt is from a Protestant family and marched with a flute band up until the Drumcree debacle.

And he appears to have matured, everyone can grow and learn. Stephen Rea became quite a staunch republican in adult life despite his background.

bullpost · 11-07-2019 2:24pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

You shouldn't be, it's a great city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHg7SFeDF4

janfebmar · 11-07-2019 2:25pm

Berserker wrote: »

NI doesn't allow republican terrorists to stroll down the streets of it's capital city. The RoI does and aside for a few woolly remarks nothing more is made of it.

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street, only days after the journalist was shot in Derry, much more frightening and sinister than a family day out commemorating something from hundreds of years ago.

cgcsb · 11-07-2019 2:27pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street

all 45 seconds of it?

_blaaz · 11-07-2019 2:28pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Nesbitt is from a Protestant family and marched with a flute band up until the Drumcree debacle.

In fairness alot of good people.walked away from.orange order after that carry on

Stopping outside homes of relatives of those boys killed to play billy boys was a level.of crass unimaginable to those who arent complete raving bigots

citytillidie · 11-07-2019 2:33pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street, only days after the journalist was shot in Derry, much more frightening and sinister than a family day out commemorating something from hundreds of years ago.

Lol tomorrow is far from a friendly family day out

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-07-2019 2:35pm

citytillidie wrote: »

Lol tomorrow is far from a friendly family day out

depends where you live

votecounts · 11-07-2019 2:40pm

What amazes me is that the PSNI don't go in to the leisure centre and dismantle the bonfires. If this was a republican one they'd have dismantled it by now and battered a few of them for good measure. Sectarian State

cgcsb · 11-07-2019 2:41pm

votecounts wrote: »

What amazes me is that the PSNI don't go in to the leisure centre and dismantle the bonfires. If this was a republican one they'd have dismantled it by now and battered a few of them for good measure. Sectarian State

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

Graces7 · 11-07-2019 2:50pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

Heaven help the Fire Services tonight. Dangerous times

citytillidie · 11-07-2019 2:51pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

Yep let's see what happens now if they do what they did last year and go into the bogside and rip down a bonfire there this summer

citytillidie · 11-07-2019 2:52pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Heaven help the Fire Services tonight. Dangerous times

Nothing new they are used to it

Scoundrel · 11-07-2019 3:13pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

East Belfast UVF directly threatened them and the backed down they are ceding control of these areas back to these scummers again. Jamie Bwyson is the front man/mouthpiece for this but the real power behind is Stephen Matthews and David McConnell 1st and 2nd in command of EB UVF

gooch2k9 · 11-07-2019 3:40pm

There is a clear and obvious difference between how the communities are treated here. The trouble that led to Lyra McKee being shot started from a raid where the PSNI suspected there to be guns. The UVF have actually threatened violence, with the police suspecting firearms would be involved, and they PSNI back down. As other posters have said, area ceded to paramilitaries. If this was a nationalist area they would have had the armed units in.

I live fairly close to one of these, a few hundred yards, and even with the windows closed I still find myself coughing the night/day after these bonfires. They're absolutely toxic. Their marches on the 12th are an expression of culture, the bonfires are not.

Hamsterchops · 11-07-2019 3:41pm

votecounts wrote: »

What amazes me is that the PSNI don't go in to the leisure centre and dismantle the bonfires. If this was a republican one they'd have dismantled it by now and battered a few of them for good measure. Sectarian State

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

Deise Vu · 11-07-2019 3:45pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Unfortunately it's not just knack bags as you put it.

We have Reverends in the north who want these things built and defend the builders. Politicians too.

It's a real classless culture. Most normal people in the world, if you asked them what culture was, would talk about art, music, drama, poetry etc. But culture to some is building a huge bonfire wherever they want, threatening people if they talk about moving it, loading it with tyres to poison the air, putting property at risk, and putting photos of people on it to express your sectarianism and racism.

Yeah, that's culture NI style.

I've always found it puzzling that the bonfires are a celebration of their loyalty to the British throne which they originally demonstrated by helping the Dutch king defeat the English King. The Dutch lads didn't last long after and the Germans took over. But that's OK apparently......

Odhinn · 11-07-2019 3:46pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street, only days after the journalist was shot in Derry, much more frightening and sinister than a family day out commemorating something from hundreds of years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naK7EZRezj8

lawred2 · 11-07-2019 3:47pm

Apparently the hand wringing PSNI have no legal powers to remove bonfires...

WTF?

Graces7 · 11-07-2019 3:53pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Apparently the hand wringing PSNI have no legal powers to remove bonfires...

WTF?

for a fine specimen of double talk, read this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0711/1061417-northern-ireland-bonfires/

They intend to charge them after the event?

citytillidie · 11-07-2019 3:53pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

Yes there is a bonfire set up in a leisure center carpark where have you been since Sunday. The PSNI even issued a warning to the council that the names of the contractor who was due to remove the bonfire has been leaked and UVF have threatened them. If the PSNI know this then they should be in raiding those houses and not standing back letting them take over council property.

Hamsterchops · 11-07-2019 3:56pm

T'will destroy the tarmac.
The PSNI also have the Ombudsman looking over their shoulders, so whatever they do be assured it's closely monitored.

El Weirdo · 11-07-2019 3:58pm

Odhinn wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naK7EZRezj8

Culture.

lawred2 · 11-07-2019 4:00pm

Graces7 wrote: »

for a fine specimen of double talk, read this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0711/1061417-northern-ireland-bonfires/

They intend to charge them after the event?

cowards

citytillidie · 11-07-2019 4:02pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

T'will destroy the tarmac.
The PSNI also have the Ombudsman looking over their shoulders, so whatever they do be assured it's closely monitored.

Ah sure it will only destroy the carpark forget about everything else

cgcsb · 11-07-2019 4:06pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

But they only apply the law to the nationalist minority(majority now I guess??)

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2019 4:17pm

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

We might not (almost certainly wouldn't be) be where we are today had the security forces decided they were too scared to intervene in Derry and Ballymurphy.

Junkyard Tom · 11-07-2019 4:49pm

janfebmar wrote: »

One thing for sure, things are different up there, and there will never be a United Ireland in our lifetime, thank God.

It wasn't so long ago MaryJane here was predicting the implosion of the EU and Sterling being reestablished as the de facto currency of Ireland. She seems to have quietly parked those fantasies and retreated to the 'you'll never have a United Ireland anyway HAHAHA!' position.

When there is a UI I wonder what these types would be claiming as 'victory'... red-white-and-blue kerbs maybe?

Sure God love us.

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2019 4:52pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It wasn't so long ago MaryJane here was predicting the implosion of the EU and Sterling being re-adopted the de facto currency of Ireland. She seems to have quietly parked those fantasies and retreated to the 'you'll never have a United Ireland anyway HAHAHA!' position.

When there is a UI I wonder what these types would be claiming as 'victory'... red-white-and-blue kerbs maybe?

Sure God love us.

They will be insisting we doff the hat and accept these annual hate fests no doubt.

Unionists can forget having these displays as a part of an official UI, it ain't gonna happen. But I think they know themselves how archaic and neanderthal they are.

Junkyard Tom · 11-07-2019 5:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They will be insisting we doff the hat and accept these annual hate fests no doubt.

There should be a containment strategy in the event of a UI. Keep the current arrangements as they are but no new parades unless there is absolute unanimity from the locals.

Incidentally this is the anniversary of the UVF murder of three children as a response to a unionist hate-carnival not being allowed to march the Garvaghy Road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nbC5jL-ivY

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2019 5:06pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

There should be a containment strategy in the event of a UI. Keep the current arrangements as they are but no new parades unless there is absolute unanimity from the locals.

Incidentally this is the anniversary of the UVF murder of three children as a response to the a unionist hate-carnival not being allowed to march the Garvaghy Road.

20 year moratorium on the display of flags(except at official state events) and on parades/marching on the public highway on the whole island. That goes for all, not just unionists.

_blaaz · 11-07-2019 5:26pm

Personally dont think its a bad idea for the psni to let them have their bonfires....not worth someone getting killed over tbh

munsterlegend · 11-07-2019 5:37pm

No country in a right thinking modern society would have a public holiday to celebrate such an event and sectarian marches. The orange order is a symbol of sectarian supremacy and you can dress it up whatever way you like as some family day but at its hearts is hatred and division.

frosty123 · 11-07-2019 5:55pm

munsterlegend wrote: »

the orange order is a symbol of sectarian supremacy and you can dress it up whatever way you like as some family day but at its hearts is hatred and division.

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

munsterlegend · 11-07-2019 6:00pm

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

People have a right to march freely in any democracy. There are plenty marches I don’t agree with such as real ira ones. However this is more than just a march. Those archaic Neanderthals in the orange order get a national holiday to march. This hatred is actually celebrated by politicians in power. It’s crazy stuff.

gooch2k9 · 11-07-2019 6:10pm

Look at the two videos posted(Drumcree and Woodvale), they say it all. These people have no interest in a shared future.

The Spanish police from Catalunya last year are bound to need a training exercise at this point, because the PSNI have shown they're not up to task.

citytillidie · 11-07-2019 6:11pm

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

Hamsterchops · 11-07-2019 6:12pm

cgcsb wrote: »

But they only apply the law to the nationalist minority (majority now I guess??)

The PSNI applies Best Practice to all its affairs with the public, they are also bound by the Ombudsmans office to be totally impartial. If the PSNI/ Chief constable did not comply, be assured they would be outed and publicly repremanded.

jam_mac_jam · 11-07-2019 6:14pm

citytillidie wrote: »

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

Intimidation

votecounts · 11-07-2019 6:17pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

Did you not know that there is a bonfire on the grounds of a leisure centre?
If not read up on it before having a go at my post.

Strumms · 11-07-2019 6:21pm

_blaaz wrote: »

PSNI issue warning to not remove bonfire material for fear of UVF violence

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/bonfires-psni-understood-to-have-issued-gun-violence-warning-to-belfast-councillors-936125.html

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

FrancieBrady · 11-07-2019 6:28pm

Strumms wrote: »

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

The madness here is that they stood by and watched this being built.
It is again fairly evident that this is capitulation and dereliction of duty simply because it suits some in the PSNI.

The glorious 12th

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