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The glorious 12th

realdanbreen

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

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El Weirdo

Odhinn wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naK7EZRezj8

Culture.

lawred2

Graces7 wrote: »

for a fine specimen of double talk, read this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0711/1061417-northern-ireland-bonfires/

They intend to charge them after the event?

cowards

citytillidie

Hamsterchops wrote: »

T'will destroy the tarmac.
The PSNI also have the Ombudsman looking over their shoulders, so whatever they do be assured it's closely monitored.

Ah sure it will only destroy the carpark forget about everything else

cgcsb

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

But they only apply the law to the nationalist minority(majority now I guess??)

FrancieBrady

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

We might not (almost certainly wouldn't be) be where we are today had the security forces decided they were too scared to intervene in Derry and Ballymurphy.

Junkyard Tom

janfebmar wrote: »

One thing for sure, things are different up there, and there will never be a United Ireland in our lifetime, thank God.

It wasn't so long ago MaryJane here was predicting the implosion of the EU and Sterling being reestablished as the de facto currency of Ireland. She seems to have quietly parked those fantasies and retreated to the 'you'll never have a United Ireland anyway HAHAHA!' position.

When there is a UI I wonder what these types would be claiming as 'victory'... red-white-and-blue kerbs maybe?

Sure God love us.

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It wasn't so long ago MaryJane here was predicting the implosion of the EU and Sterling being re-adopted the de facto currency of Ireland. She seems to have quietly parked those fantasies and retreated to the 'you'll never have a United Ireland anyway HAHAHA!' position.

When there is a UI I wonder what these types would be claiming as 'victory'... red-white-and-blue kerbs maybe?

Sure God love us.

They will be insisting we doff the hat and accept these annual hate fests no doubt.

Unionists can forget having these displays as a part of an official UI, it ain't gonna happen. But I think they know themselves how archaic and neanderthal they are.

Junkyard Tom

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They will be insisting we doff the hat and accept these annual hate fests no doubt.

There should be a containment strategy in the event of a UI. Keep the current arrangements as they are but no new parades unless there is absolute unanimity from the locals.

Incidentally this is the anniversary of the UVF murder of three children as a response to a unionist hate-carnival not being allowed to march the Garvaghy Road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nbC5jL-ivY

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

There should be a containment strategy in the event of a UI. Keep the current arrangements as they are but no new parades unless there is absolute unanimity from the locals.

Incidentally this is the anniversary of the UVF murder of three children as a response to the a unionist hate-carnival not being allowed to march the Garvaghy Road.

20 year moratorium on the display of flags(except at official state events) and on parades/marching on the public highway on the whole island. That goes for all, not just unionists.

_blaaz

Personally dont think its a bad idea for the psni to let them have their bonfires....not worth someone getting killed over tbh

munsterlegend

No country in a right thinking modern society would have a public holiday to celebrate such an event and sectarian marches. The orange order is a symbol of sectarian supremacy and you can dress it up whatever way you like as some family day but at its hearts is hatred and division.

frosty123

munsterlegend wrote: »

the orange order is a symbol of sectarian supremacy and you can dress it up whatever way you like as some family day but at its hearts is hatred and division.

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

munsterlegend

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

People have a right to march freely in any democracy. There are plenty marches I don’t agree with such as real ira ones. However this is more than just a march. Those archaic Neanderthals in the orange order get a national holiday to march. This hatred is actually celebrated by politicians in power. It’s crazy stuff.

gooch2k9

Look at the two videos posted(Drumcree and Woodvale), they say it all. These people have no interest in a shared future.

The Spanish police from Catalunya last year are bound to need a training exercise at this point, because the PSNI have shown they're not up to task.

citytillidie

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

Hamsterchops

cgcsb wrote: »

But they only apply the law to the nationalist minority (majority now I guess??)

The PSNI applies Best Practice to all its affairs with the public, they are also bound by the Ombudsmans office to be totally impartial. If the PSNI/ Chief constable did not comply, be assured they would be outed and publicly repremanded.

jam_mac_jam

citytillidie wrote: »

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

Intimidation

votecounts

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

Did you not know that there is a bonfire on the grounds of a leisure centre?
If not read up on it before having a go at my post.

Strumms

_blaaz wrote: »

PSNI issue warning to not remove bonfire material for fear of UVF violence

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/bonfires-psni-understood-to-have-issued-gun-violence-warning-to-belfast-councillors-936125.html

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

FrancieBrady

Strumms wrote: »

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

The madness here is that they stood by and watched this being built.
It is again fairly evident that this is capitulation and dereliction of duty simply because it suits some in the PSNI.

igCorcaigh

Strumms wrote: »

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

No, the identity of the contractors had been leaked. To proceed with the removal would have put their lives in danger.

Odhinn

citytillidie wrote: »

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

.....because it was to show the papists just whose country they were living in, and who was top dog.

janfebmar

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

The IRA March of a few months ago in O'Connell st., far more intimidating.

Hamsterchops

votecounts wrote: »

Did you not know that there is a bonfire on the grounds of a leisure centre?
If not read up on it before having a go at my post.

In post #175 I said "Bonfires in Leisure centres"? because you had said the there were bonfires in leisure centres, ok so it's in the carpark which I agree is totally reckless & crazy!

I stand by the rest of #175.

munsterlegend

janfebmar wrote: »

The IRA March of a few months ago in O'Connell st., far more intimidating.

Intimidating is defined by what happened the Quinn brothers in 1998. All so some archaic fools could walk down a road where not wanted.

FrancieBrady

Odhinn wrote: »

.....because it was to show the papists just whose country they were living in, and who was top dog.

Exactly, it was and always is, a show of strength. Everything, is designed to show that.
Instead of saying, all there 'shows' should be banned you will get the covert loyalists/unionists on here trying the 'look over there at themums' line

4068ac1elhodqr

In reality it must be what 1% if even that? - That go out and breath in these fires of posionous pallet toxic fumes.
It didn't work in the Celtic samhain festival, or middle ages to scare witches, so buring fires won't scare away wild leprechauns now.

Same for the LOL (lough out loud?) walking clubs, a handful of a small percentage that reckons all that extra clothing in mid-summer is a great idea.
Orange isn't even sun reflective and won't help reduce any gammon complexions, as for the bowler hats, heck knows.

ChikiChiki

Ban all parades up north imo. Tradition my hole. That place is going to get a whole lot worse with Brexit. The Irish or UK side won't want anything to do with the immature adult neanderthal whingers up north. Let them sort themselves out.

FrancieBrady

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Ban all parades up north imo. Tradition my hole. That place is going to get a whole lot worse with Brexit. The Irish or UK side won't want anything to do with the immature adult neanderthal whingers up north. Let them sort themselves out.

Small small areas will get worse, if that is possible. Never let the media convince you it is all like that. You are watching the last rump of belligerent Unionist/loyalist/Orange 'culture' in it's death throes.

Odhinn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Exactly, it was and always is, a show of strength. Everything, is designed to show that.
Instead of saying, all there 'shows' should be banned you will get the covert loyalists/unionists on here trying the 'look over there at themums' line

They should be banned from all nationalist areas. Let them march about for their own.