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The glorious 12th

realdanbreen

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

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Hamsterchops

votecounts wrote: »

What amazes me is that the PSNI don't go in to the leisure centre and dismantle the bonfires. If this was a republican one they'd have dismantled it by now and battered a few of them for good measure. Sectarian State

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

gooch2k9

There is a clear and obvious difference between how the communities are treated here. The trouble that led to Lyra McKee being shot started from a raid where the PSNI suspected there to be guns. The UVF have actually threatened violence, with the police suspecting firearms would be involved, and they PSNI back down. As other posters have said, area ceded to paramilitaries. If this was a nationalist area they would have had the armed units in.

I live fairly close to one of these, a few hundred yards, and even with the windows closed I still find myself coughing the night/day after these bonfires. They're absolutely toxic. Their marches on the 12th are an expression of culture, the bonfires are not.

Scoundrel

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

East Belfast UVF directly threatened them and the backed down they are ceding control of these areas back to these scummers again. Jamie Bwyson is the front man/mouthpiece for this but the real power behind is Stephen Matthews and David McConnell 1st and 2nd in command of EB UVF

citytillidie

Graces7 wrote: »

Heaven help the Fire Services tonight. Dangerous times

Nothing new they are used to it

citytillidie

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

Yep let's see what happens now if they do what they did last year and go into the bogside and rip down a bonfire there this summer

Graces7

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

Heaven help the Fire Services tonight. Dangerous times

cgcsb

votecounts wrote: »

What amazes me is that the PSNI don't go in to the leisure centre and dismantle the bonfires. If this was a republican one they'd have dismantled it by now and battered a few of them for good measure. Sectarian State

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

votecounts

What amazes me is that the PSNI don't go in to the leisure centre and dismantle the bonfires. If this was a republican one they'd have dismantled it by now and battered a few of them for good measure. Sectarian State

SEPT 23 1989

citytillidie wrote: »

Lol tomorrow is far from a friendly family day out

depends where you live

citytillidie

janfebmar wrote: »

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street, only days after the journalist was shot in Derry, much more frightening and sinister than a family day out commemorating something from hundreds of years ago.

Lol tomorrow is far from a friendly family day out

_blaaz

whisky_galore wrote: »

Nesbitt is from a Protestant family and marched with a flute band up until the Drumcree debacle.

In fairness alot of good people.walked away from.orange order after that carry on

Stopping outside homes of relatives of those boys killed to play billy boys was a level.of crass unimaginable to those who arent complete raving bigots

cgcsb

janfebmar wrote: »

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street

all 45 seconds of it?

janfebmar

Berserker wrote: »

NI doesn't allow republican terrorists to stroll down the streets of it's capital city. The RoI does and aside for a few woolly remarks nothing more is made of it.

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street, only days after the journalist was shot in Derry, much more frightening and sinister than a family day out commemorating something from hundreds of years ago.

bullpost

El Weirdo wrote: »

You shouldn't be, it's a great city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHg7SFeDF4

cgcsb

whisky_galore wrote: »

Nesbitt is from a Protestant family and marched with a flute band up until the Drumcree debacle.

And he appears to have matured, everyone can grow and learn. Stephen Rea became quite a staunch republican in adult life despite his background.

whisky_galore

cgcsb wrote: »

Loyalty to the half crown and all that. I know plenty of NI protestants who work in Dublin, but they'd more of the soft nationalist, James Nesbit types, who blush at the sight of a bonfire or an orange march. Why an out and out loyalist would take the President's euro is anyone's guess.

Nesbitt is from a Protestant family and marched with a flute band up until the Drumcree debacle.

sjb25

Berserker wrote: »

NI doesn't allow republican terrorists to stroll down the streets of it's capital city. The RoI does and aside for a few woolly remarks nothing more is made of it.

Hang on a minute here is the ira strolling down the street in Derry (may not be a capital but don’t think that matters hugely)

Balanadan

It'd be handy if the knackers down here did the same, I have plenty of pallets to get rid of.

blinding

NeinNeinNein wrote: »

The British Empire was Never Good for Your Health and Safety :eek::eek::eek:

[Deleted User]

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

How do they get the pallets up the top is what I want to know, do people climb on the other pallets or do they use machines, fascinated.

Horrible for the people living beside them, must be really frightening

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realdanbreen

Berserker wrote: »

citytillidie wrote: »

AHH yes the protest bonfire that hoods did after the original smaller bonfire was removed by the police as the community wanted a family fun day but the hoods got what they wanted nobody else wanted it

A republican family fun day in Londonderry/Derry. Everyone is welcome, I suppose! I think I'll leave the thread at this point. I'm heading up to Belfast tomorrow, so I've a busy day ahead.

Mind how you go, don't forget to take off the bowler hat and sash on the way back home!

jam_mac_jam

How do they get the pallets up the top is what I want to know, do people climb on the other pallets or do they use machines, fascinated.

Horrible for the people living beside them, must be really frightening

Gimme A Pound

cgcsb wrote: »

Loyalty to the half crown and all that. I know plenty of NI protestants who work in Dublin, but they'd more of the soft nationalist, James Nesbit types, who blush at the sight of a bonfire or an orange march. Why an out and out loyalist would take the President's euro is anyone's guess.

Oh yeah I've worked with four unionists here. Nicest people you could meet. And very proud of their unionist backgrounds and their Britishness (but not in an aggressive way) and respectful of the other communities. Protestant in the really decent, kind Christian way. Sounds good to me.

None on Boards are like that though. Well one is ok (ish) but the rest just seem to be out to antagonise.

cgcsb

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Of course you would throw that in.

Why on earth would a hardline unionist live in the Republic?

Loyalty to the half crown and all that. I know plenty of NI protestants who work in Dublin, but they'd more of the soft nationalist, James Nesbit types, who blush at the sight of a bonfire or an orange march. Why an out and out loyalist would take the President's euro is anyone's guess.

FrancieBrady

Berserker wrote: »

A republican family fun day in Londonderry/Derry. Everyone is welcome, I suppose! I think I'll leave the thread at this point. I'm heading up to Belfast tomorrow, so I've a busy day ahead.

To explain to you how archaic and unacceptable the ideology you are defending by saying it is 'a family day out', here is what was once an acceptable day out too...families gathering for a KKK 'day out'.

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At the very least, nationalists have made a profound effort to get on the right side of history by condemning this culture of triumphalism and hate.

It's long since time the OO and Unionism did the same.

Badly Drunk Boy

Berserker wrote: »

NI doesn't allow republican terrorists to stroll down the streets of it's capital city. The RoI does and aside for a few woolly remarks nothing more is made of it.

Only loyalist terrorists?

FrancieBrady

Berserker wrote: »

They are no different. The media never cover internment bonfires down here. What do you make of this bonfire?

https://cdn-01.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article35972042.ece/2b401/AUTOCROP/w620h342/ONFIRE-Derry%20no2-.jpg

Btw, your point about the media down here never mentioning internment bonfires...here is a quick cross section of our media.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2018/0809/984087-willie-frazer-bonfire/

https://www.thejournal.ie/bogside-bonfire-controversial-psni-4184132-Aug2018/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/belfast-police-call-for-calm-after-cars-and-a-building-set-on-fire-1.3180164

citytillidie

Berserker wrote: »

A republican family fun day in Londonderry/Derry. Everyone is welcome, I suppose! I think I'll leave the thread at this point. I'm heading up to Belfast tomorrow, so I've a busy day ahead.

Same as how everyone is welcome to orange fest right

Gimme A Pound

Berserker wrote: »

A republican family fun day in Londonderry/Derry. Everyone is welcome, I suppose! I think I'll leave the thread at this point. I'm heading up to Belfast tomorrow, so I've a busy day ahead.

Of course you would throw that in.

Why on earth would a hardline unionist live in the Republic?

Scarlet42

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct. In rural areas the day is more of just a family parade. Most areas do not have big bonfires. I cannot see the attraction in building bonfires. The Republicans do it too with anti internment anniversaries etc.
One thing for sure, things are different up there, and there will never be a United Ireland in our lifetime, thank God.

hasn't been a republican bonfire in years .. every year in August in West Belfast it used to be mad .. kids getting killed and the area destroyed .. the west Belfast Festival was founded to get away from all the trouble and improve the lives of people living there .. giving people something to do, encouraging kids and teens to get away from collecting wood for bonfires. Growing up on the Falls Road most of my summer holidays involved this. But now they have the Festival to look forward to. No bonfires .. no contentious parades .. real culture have a look here http://feilebelfast.com/ This includes a massive Dance night in the Falls Park, Boyzone Concert (yeah real Culture) .. the World Cribby Championships! oh and the Wolf Tones! looked great craic last year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MzEl7PqYsk

no bonfires!