Irish labour party - No Alan Kelly bounce

Double O Seven · 24-09-2020 11:15am #1

They have fallen to 3% in the polls since Kelly took over

Open the Pubs · 24-09-2020 11:22am

They are finished, we have an abundance of woke left parties. All the ex Labour type people and voters are gone to the Greens and the Soc Dems. If you offer the same as every other party there is no room for growth. At least Kelly is better than Aodhan O'Riordain though.

paw patrol · 24-09-2020 11:28am

labour are just there for the middle class woke vote.They gotta battle the SD and Greens for that. It's a saturated market.

As for Alan Kelly himself ,he attended john delaneys 50th birthday.
that shows extremely poor taste. he should be hung.

Open the Pubs wrote: »

At least Kelly is better than Aodhan O'Riordain though.

that bar is so low......but yes the further AOR is kept from power the better.

Topgear on Dave · 24-09-2020 11:33am

+1 on the saturated market.

There's a left wing party for every day of the week.

ChikiChiki · 24-09-2020 11:48am

Kelly was a disastrous appointment and has an abysmal track record. He has the optics of someone who is in it for the power, wealth, fame even and all the associated trappings. Kelly is the polar opposite of what Labour values traditionally are.

It never ceases to amaze me how the people/members within the bubble of a political party are as equally out of touch with the general public.

Yamanoto · 24-09-2020 11:48am

At some point not so long ago, Labour decided that your uncle Bernard identifying as a Eucalyptus tree was easily as important as the health, pay and working conditions of men and women in Ireland.

They're a busted flush, which is a pity, as people who work for a living would probably back a left-leaning party unburdened by the lunacy of identity politics and hug-a-migrant grandstanding they all scramble to inhabit.

ChikiChiki · 24-09-2020 11:54am

paw patrol wrote: »

labour are just there for the middle class woke vote.They gotta battle the SD and Greens for that. It's a saturated market.

As for Alan Kelly himself ,he attended john delaneys 50th birthday.
that shows extremely poor taste. he should be hung.

that bar is so low......but yes the further AOR is kept from power the better.

Ah yes AOR "But we have a major housing crisis" followed by "Not in my back yard, don't build high density apartments on a tiny portion of St Annes Park"

Fook right off you charlatan.

Double O Seven · 24-09-2020 7:44pm

wonder would they have been better off going into government and getting a couple of cabinet seats for themselves ?

imme · 24-09-2020 9:50pm

Gilmore For Taoiseach.

Labour is a long way from Gilmore For Taoiseach.

Will they ever see them days again, highly unlikely.

SF is pushing them out of the picture of relevance in the mainstream ish stakes.

Small fractious minority parties that almost appear overnight and seem to be gone as quick are squeezing them from the other direction.

Are their days numbered as a party of 15-30 seats, yes.

But I imagine they'll stick around for another 10 years in present form.

Or is a merger on the cards.

James Brown · 24-09-2020 10:22pm

Putting Kelly in charge was a big mistake. A big mouth shyte talker. He's like an angry Leo Varadkar.

Muahahaha · 27-09-2020 2:15pm

Bowie wrote: »

Putting Kelly in charge was a big mistake. A big mouth shyte talker. He's like an angry Leo Varadkar.

They hadnt a lot of options really. Im not a fan of Kelly but actually think he will do well over time. He is a good Dail performer and has a knack of spotting big issues before they develop fully and then riding the wave on them- see Vicky Phelan & the Cervical Check scandal for an example, Kelly owns that issue and has done since day one.

He is also being heavily advised by his brother Declan who is a bit of a maverick in the PR world, he established Teneo (who sponsor Tipp GAA) in 2011 and now it is worth $700m. He has contacts right at the top of American politics and was appointed by Hillary Clinton as economic envoy to Northern Ireland. His company Teneo advise some of Americas biggest corporations. Declan himself sold a stake in it last year for $350m which is some going for a company that is less than 10 years of age. Id say he takes the piss out of his brother on his TDs salary while he has $350m sitting in the bank :pac:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/declan-kelly-led-pr-firm-sells-majority-stake-for-350m-1.3918596

blinding · 27-09-2020 2:21pm

Ask a Lefty what they are going to do about the Low Wages of Irish People ( falling in Real terms since the early 70’s )

And all ya get is Tumble-Weed, Tumble-Weed , Tumble-Weed ! ! !

This is why the Left always talk about other stuff ( often Mad-Stuff ).

27-09-2020 2:25pm

One would think he was an RTE employee given his daily soliloquies on there.

Beechwoodspark · 27-09-2020 2:26pm

The Labour Party stopped being relevant sometime around 1990 when noddy Robinson got into the Phoenix big house

They seemed to jump on every liberal society cause on the go.

Travelers rights immigrants rights trans rights non binary rights etc etc. you’d be dizzy trying to keep up.

All well n good but somewhere they lost what should be their first focus - improving life for the working class -

by that I mean ppl working for a living NOT the ppl who not interested in working or down right unemployable section of society

AK is not well liked - comes across as a bullying bollix type.

the first thing most ppl think of is his role with the Irish water debacle

ChikiChiki · 27-09-2020 3:37pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

They hadnt a lot of options really. Im not a fan of Kelly but actually think he will do well over time. He is a good Dail performer and has a knack of spotting big issues before they develop fully and then riding the wave on them- see Vicky Phelan & the Cervical Check scandal for an example, Kelly owns that issue and has done since day one.

He is also being heavily advised by his brother Declan who is a bit of a maverick in the PR world, he established Teneo (who sponsor Tipp GAA) in 2011 and now it is worth $700m. He has contacts right at the top of American politics and was appointed by Hillary Clinton as economic envoy to Northern Ireland. His company Teneo advise some of Americas biggest corporations. Declan himself sold a stake in it last year for $350m which is some going for a company that is less than 10 years of age. Id say he takes the piss out of his brother on his TDs salary while he has $350m sitting in the bank :pac:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/declan-kelly-led-pr-firm-sells-majority-stake-for-350m-1.3918596

What you say is true but you are overly optimistic that he will do well as leader of the Labour Party. Kelly has also shown he is a much better operator on the opposition benches but I still think he is very unpopular and thus Labour will remain very unpopular with the electorate.

Also, yes Teneo is very successful but if Kelly wants to rebuild Labour he would be best advised to stay well clear. They are essentially go between lobbyists between legislators and corporations. From an ethical perspective, thats a dangerous line.

Have to laugh. One of the most famous images was captured at the recent Super Bowl was Declan Kelly photographed asleep in a 10k seat mid game. The images was beamed across US media.

imme · 27-09-2020 4:14pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

They hadnt a lot of options really. Im not a fan of Kelly but actually think he will do well over time. He is a good Dail performer and has a knack of spotting big issues before they develop fully and then riding the wave on them- see Vicky Phelan & the Cervical Check scandal for an example, Kelly owns that issue and has done since day one.

He is also being heavily advised by his brother Declan who is a bit of a maverick in the PR world, he established Teneo (who sponsor Tipp GAA) in 2011 and now it is worth $700m. He has contacts right at the top of American politics and was appointed by Hillary Clinton as economic envoy to Northern Ireland. His company Teneo advise some of Americas biggest corporations. Declan himself sold a stake in it last year for $350m which is some going for a company that is less than 10 years of age. Id say he takes the piss out of his brother on his TDs salary while he has $350m sitting in the bank :pac:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/declan-kelly-led-pr-firm-sells-majority-stake-for-350m-1.3918596

I'm sure Snoozy Kelly could advise AK47 on presentation i don't know that policy can translate across the Atlantic however.

Edgware · 27-09-2020 5:24pm

The problem Labour and Sinn Fein are making is believing all this working class solidarity ****e. The honest to God working man and woman living in estates up and down the country want to wake up and find the car where they left it. The postman going in to work at 6 a.m. has no sympathy for the local Jason on the dole who spends the day getting pissed. Kelly and Cushy Butterfield wants to give these wasters an increase

Bonniedog · 27-09-2020 6:31pm

There has always been a relatively marginal left liberal party in the state. Used to be Labour, now its the Shinners.

They are doing better than Labour ever did at moment, but a lot of that is because the people who vote for them think they stand for all sorts of stuff which they don't.

The dimmer ones think they are still a republican nationalist party, and the woke one couldn't give a fart about any of that. They do well in being able to ride two horses: making it seem that they are against stuff while actually voting for it! The Covid restrictions being just one example. Also completely contradictory policies north and south.

In north they even support cutting corporation tax and have implemented Tory cuts. While whinging about such things down here. Shows how much attention most southern voters pay to north, or anything really.

Beechwoodspark · 27-09-2020 6:36pm

I think one thing that is “unfortunate” for Labour is that Sinn Fein and the other smaller left parties can bring up labours record in govt any time they like and use it as a stick to beat them with.

27-09-2020 6:42pm

they need to make up with the SD prodigals very quickly.perhaps by taking a humiliating couple of lessons from them in what their new approach should be

appointing kelly, a limited brawler, was a mistake.

they then need to drop the id politics, leave the workshy loudspeaker class to SF/PBP and actually start aiming for the working class that FF abandoned for developers and SF will disappoint as soon as they start paying any attention to that party's actual policies (if they can be discerned.

if Lab/SD arent the next big beneficiaries of the disaffected taxpaying non-property owner tranche then they deserve to be wound down

L1011 · 27-09-2020 6:46pm

blinding wrote: »

Ask a Lefty what they are going to do about the Low Wages of Irish People ( falling in Real terms since the early 70’s )

And all ya get is Tumble-Weed, Tumble-Weed , Tumble-Weed ! ! !

This is why the Left always talk about other stuff ( often Mad-Stuff ).

Wages have not been falling in real terms since the 1970s in Ireland. That's the US you're thinking of, but anyway:

The Low Pay Commission, which has increased the minimum wage beyond inflation every year since foundation, was set up by Ged Nash. Who is a Labour TD.

There's been a rather significant push for Living Wage by the sensible parties of the Left also.

I'm not sure what you're listening to/reading to have got such a distorted view of reality.

blinding · 27-09-2020 6:59pm

L1011 wrote: »

Wages have not been falling in real terms since the 1970s in Ireland. That's the US you're thinking of, but anyway:

The Low Pay Commission, which has increased the minimum wage beyond inflation every year since foundation, was set up by Ged Nash. Who is a Labour TD.

There's been a rather significant push for Living Wage by the sensible parties of the Left also.

I'm not sure what you're listening to/reading to have got such a distorted view of reality.

The Lefties have No Answer to Low Wages as a Matter of Fact Everything the Lefty Parties do seems to be in Favour of Low Wages.

Imagine that, Supposed Lefty Parties in Favour of Low Wages = = Thats What We Have in Ireland ! ! !

L1011 · 27-09-2020 7:03pm

blinding wrote: »

The Lefties have No Answer to Low Wages as a Matter of Fact Everything the Lefty Parties do seems to be in Favour of Low Wages.

Imagine that, Supposed Lefty Parties in Favour of Low Wages = = Thats What We Have in Ireland ! ! !

I've just given you hard evidence of a left party making a very significant difference to low wages and you reply with this effectively unintelligible... thing.

Can you show something of a left-wing party being "in favour of low wages"?

Eric Cartman · 27-09-2020 7:07pm

Edgware wrote: »

The problem Labour and Sinn Fein are making is believing all this working class solidarity ****e. The honest to God working man and woman living in estates up and down the country want to wake up and find the car where they left it. The postman going in to work at 6 a.m. has no sympathy for the local Jason on the dole who spends the day getting pissed. Kelly and Cushy Butterfield wants to give these wasters an increase

absolutely this. Labour made sense at a time when the working class meant the working class. The problem sf and pbp have is rolling those in with dole Jason as above, and also every other lefty 'ism
they should go back to their roots of defending the actual working class.

its a bit of a weird one as tom the security guard and his wife Helen the part time cleaner probably despise the dole lifers more than I ever could, and probably have some pretty Mal formed opinions about the 'foreigners' and the 'gays' etc.. these parties all keep trying to get votes from groups of people that despise each other and then promise that the workers of Ireland will pay for all of their cushy lives and are surprised when those who actually receive a payslip walk away.

blinding · 27-09-2020 7:11pm

L1011 wrote: »

I've just given you hard evidence of a left party making a very significant difference to low wages and you reply with this effectively unintelligible... thing.

Can you show something of a left-wing party being "in favour of low wages"?

Every Policy of the Lefty Parties Promotes Low Wages.

When all of their Policies Promote Low Wages it is correct to assume that they are In Favour of Low Wages.

Lefty Parties have become the Parties of Low Wages. They Love Low Wages and Low Wage Jobs.

L1011 · 27-09-2020 7:14pm

blinding wrote: »

Every Policy of the Lefty Parties Promotes Low Wages.

When all of their Policies Promote Low Wages it is correct to assume that they are In Favour of Low Wages.

Lefty Parties have become the Parties of Low Wages. They Love Low Wages and Low Wage Jobs.

So that's a no, then.

landofthetree · 27-09-2020 7:14pm

blinding wrote: »

Every Policy of the Lefty Parties Promotes Low Wages.

When all of their Policies Promote Low Wages it is correct to assume that they are In Favour of Low Wages.

Lefty Parties have become the Parties of Low Wages. They Love Low Wages and Low Wage Jobs.

True enough. They would bring in even more migrants.

Not enough migrants arriving to keep pay down - Central Bank

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html

blinding · 27-09-2020 7:19pm

landofthetree wrote: »

True enough. They would bring in even more migrants.

Not enough migrants arriving to keep pay down - Central Bank

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html

All the Lefty Parties support this i.e. They support Policies to Keep Wages Low.

Lefty Parties are the Parties of Low Wages = = Thats what Lefty Parties are about these days ! ! !

Eric Cartman · 27-09-2020 7:21pm

L1011 wrote: »

I've just given you hard evidence of a left party making a very significant difference to low wages and you reply with this effectively unintelligible... thing.

Can you show something of a left-wing party being "in favour of low wages"?

directly voting for low wages - no , but in a roundabout way yes - any policy which allows/promotes immigration or asylum acceptance is adding more low paid low skilled workers to the pool, any policy raising tax or regulation on US multinationals is decreasing the already limited number of manufacturing jobs here. Promoting unionisation and abolishing 0 hours contracts has laid off a lot of low paid workers.

ill admit the policies are often designed to raise the living standards of many poor people, but often has the knock-on effect of helping a sizeable percentage while inadvertently knocking many more off the jobs ladder.

I Am The Law · 27-09-2020 7:23pm

Double O Seven wrote: »

They have fallen to 3% in the polls since Kelly took over

Obviously.

blinding · 27-09-2020 7:28pm

L1011 wrote: »

Wages have not been falling in real terms since the 1970s in Ireland. That's the US you're thinking of, but anyway:

The Low Pay Commission, which has increased the minimum wage beyond inflation every year since foundation, was set up by Ged Nash. Who is a Labour TD.

There's been a rather significant push for Living Wage by the sensible parties of the Left also.

I'm not sure what you're listening to/reading to have got such a distorted view of reality.

The Lefty Parties now think Minimum Wage jobs or Living Wage Jobs are great ! ! !

Sure ya could say a Slave was on a Living Wage Job or else She / He would die ! ! !

The Lefties think they are doing you a huge favour with their Minimum Hourly Wage Jobs or their Living Wage Jobs ~ ~ ~ No Mention of how many of these are Agency Jobs ~ ~ or how many hours a week the worker gets or how many of them are Zero hours jobs ~ ~ ~ But heh, get down on your knees and thank the Lefty Parties for their Policies that have made sure this is what is happening.

Show your gratitude to those Lefty Parties and their policies of Low Wages ~ ~ Why the Hell are you Not Grateful ~ ~ ~ And don’t forget to get with all the mad stuff the Left gets involved in to hide that they are Parties of Low Wages and will do absolutely nothing about Low Wages ~ ~ ~ Heh , Look over there , we are doing some mad Lefty stuff that nobody cares about to distract you ! ! !:eek::eek:

Irish labour party - No Alan Kelly bounce

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