Irish labour party - No Alan Kelly bounce

Double O Seven

They have fallen to 3% in the polls since Kelly took over

Open the Pubs

They are finished, we have an abundance of woke left parties. All the ex Labour type people and voters are gone to the Greens and the Soc Dems. If you offer the same as every other party there is no room for growth. At least Kelly is better than Aodhan O'Riordain though.

paw patrol

labour are just there for the middle class woke vote.They gotta battle the SD and Greens for that. It's a saturated market.

As for Alan Kelly himself ,he attended john delaneys 50th birthday.
that shows extremely poor taste. he should be hung.

Open the Pubs wrote: »

At least Kelly is better than Aodhan O'Riordain though.

that bar is so low......but yes the further AOR is kept from power the better.

+1 on the saturated market.

There's a left wing party for every day of the week.

ChikiChiki

Kelly was a disastrous appointment and has an abysmal track record. He has the optics of someone who is in it for the power, wealth, fame even and all the associated trappings. Kelly is the polar opposite of what Labour values traditionally are.

It never ceases to amaze me how the people/members within the bubble of a political party are as equally out of touch with the general public.

Yamanoto

At some point not so long ago, Labour decided that your uncle Bernard identifying as a Eucalyptus tree was easily as important as the health, pay and working conditions of men and women in Ireland.

They're a busted flush, which is a pity, as people who work for a living would probably back a left-leaning party unburdened by the lunacy of identity politics and hug-a-migrant grandstanding they all scramble to inhabit.

ChikiChiki

paw patrol wrote: »

labour are just there for the middle class woke vote.They gotta battle the SD and Greens for that. It's a saturated market.

As for Alan Kelly himself ,he attended john delaneys 50th birthday.
that shows extremely poor taste. he should be hung.


that bar is so low......but yes the further AOR is kept from power the better.

Ah yes AOR "But we have a major housing crisis" followed by "Not in my back yard, don't build high density apartments on a tiny portion of St Annes Park"

Fook right off you charlatan.

Double O Seven

wonder would they have been better off going into government and getting a couple of cabinet seats for themselves ?

imme

Gilmore For Taoiseach.

Labour is a long way from Gilmore For Taoiseach.

Will they ever see them days again, highly unlikely.

SF is pushing them out of the picture of relevance in the mainstream ish stakes.

Small fractious minority parties that almost appear overnight and seem to be gone as quick are squeezing them from the other direction.

Are their days numbered as a party of 15-30 seats, yes.

But I imagine they'll stick around for another 10 years in present form.

Or is a merger on the cards.

James Brown

Putting Kelly in charge was a big mistake. A big mouth shyte talker. He's like an angry Leo Varadkar.

Muahahaha

Bowie wrote: »

Putting Kelly in charge was a big mistake. A big mouth shyte talker. He's like an angry Leo Varadkar.

They hadnt a lot of options really. Im not a fan of Kelly but actually think he will do well over time. He is a good Dail performer and has a knack of spotting big issues before they develop fully and then riding the wave on them- see Vicky Phelan & the Cervical Check scandal for an example, Kelly owns that issue and has done since day one.

He is also being heavily advised by his brother Declan who is a bit of a maverick in the PR world, he established Teneo (who sponsor Tipp GAA) in 2011 and now it is worth $700m. He has contacts right at the top of American politics and was appointed by Hillary Clinton as economic envoy to Northern Ireland. His company Teneo advise some of Americas biggest corporations. Declan himself sold a stake in it last year for $350m which is some going for a company that is less than 10 years of age. Id say he takes the piss out of his brother on his TDs salary while he has $350m sitting in the bank :pac:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/declan-kelly-led-pr-firm-sells-majority-stake-for-350m-1.3918596

blinding

Ask a Lefty what they are going to do about the Low Wages of Irish People ( falling in Real terms since the early 70’s )

And all ya get is Tumble-Weed, Tumble-Weed , Tumble-Weed ! ! !

This is why the Left always talk about other stuff ( often Mad-Stuff ).

One would think he was an RTE employee given his daily soliloquies on there.

Beechwoodspark

The Labour Party stopped being relevant sometime around 1990 when noddy Robinson got into the Phoenix big house

They seemed to jump on every liberal society cause on the go.

Travelers rights immigrants rights trans rights non binary rights etc etc. you’d be dizzy trying to keep up.

All well n good but somewhere they lost what should be their first focus - improving life for the working class -

by that I mean ppl working for a living NOT the ppl who not interested in working or down right unemployable section of society

AK is not well liked - comes across as a bullying bollix type.

the first thing most ppl think of is his role with the Irish water debacle

ChikiChiki

Muahahaha wrote: »

They hadnt a lot of options really. Im not a fan of Kelly but actually think he will do well over time. He is a good Dail performer and has a knack of spotting big issues before they develop fully and then riding the wave on them- see Vicky Phelan & the Cervical Check scandal for an example, Kelly owns that issue and has done since day one.

He is also being heavily advised by his brother Declan who is a bit of a maverick in the PR world, he established Teneo (who sponsor Tipp GAA) in 2011 and now it is worth $700m. He has contacts right at the top of American politics and was appointed by Hillary Clinton as economic envoy to Northern Ireland. His company Teneo advise some of Americas biggest corporations. Declan himself sold a stake in it last year for $350m which is some going for a company that is less than 10 years of age. Id say he takes the piss out of his brother on his TDs salary while he has $350m sitting in the bank :pac:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/declan-kelly-led-pr-firm-sells-majority-stake-for-350m-1.3918596

What you say is true but you are overly optimistic that he will do well as leader of the Labour Party. Kelly has also shown he is a much better operator on the opposition benches but I still think he is very unpopular and thus Labour will remain very unpopular with the electorate.

Also, yes Teneo is very successful but if Kelly wants to rebuild Labour he would be best advised to stay well clear. They are essentially go between lobbyists between legislators and corporations. From an ethical perspective, thats a dangerous line.

Have to laugh. One of the most famous images was captured at the recent Super Bowl was Declan Kelly photographed asleep in a 10k seat mid game. The images was beamed across US media.

imme

Muahahaha wrote: »

They hadnt a lot of options really. Im not a fan of Kelly but actually think he will do well over time. He is a good Dail performer and has a knack of spotting big issues before they develop fully and then riding the wave on them- see Vicky Phelan & the Cervical Check scandal for an example, Kelly owns that issue and has done since day one.

He is also being heavily advised by his brother Declan who is a bit of a maverick in the PR world, he established Teneo (who sponsor Tipp GAA) in 2011 and now it is worth $700m. He has contacts right at the top of American politics and was appointed by Hillary Clinton as economic envoy to Northern Ireland. His company Teneo advise some of Americas biggest corporations. Declan himself sold a stake in it last year for $350m which is some going for a company that is less than 10 years of age. Id say he takes the piss out of his brother on his TDs salary while he has $350m sitting in the bank :pac:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/declan-kelly-led-pr-firm-sells-majority-stake-for-350m-1.3918596

I'm sure Snoozy Kelly could advise AK47 on presentation i don't know that policy can translate across the Atlantic however.

Edgware

The problem Labour and Sinn Fein are making is believing all this working class solidarity ****e. The honest to God working man and woman living in estates up and down the country want to wake up and find the car where they left it. The postman going in to work at 6 a.m. has no sympathy for the local Jason on the dole who spends the day getting pissed. Kelly and Cushy Butterfield wants to give these wasters an increase

Bonniedog

There has always been a relatively marginal left liberal party in the state. Used to be Labour, now its the Shinners.

They are doing better than Labour ever did at moment, but a lot of that is because the people who vote for them think they stand for all sorts of stuff which they don't.

The dimmer ones think they are still a republican nationalist party, and the woke one couldn't give a fart about any of that. They do well in being able to ride two horses: making it seem that they are against stuff while actually voting for it! The Covid restrictions being just one example. Also completely contradictory policies north and south.

In north they even support cutting corporation tax and have implemented Tory cuts. While whinging about such things down here. Shows how much attention most southern voters pay to north, or anything really.

Beechwoodspark

I think one thing that is “unfortunate” for Labour is that Sinn Fein and the other smaller left parties can bring up labours record in govt any time they like and use it as a stick to beat them with.

they need to make up with the SD prodigals very quickly.perhaps by taking a humiliating couple of lessons from them in what their new approach should be

appointing kelly, a limited brawler, was a mistake.

they then need to drop the id politics, leave the workshy loudspeaker class to SF/PBP and actually start aiming for the working class that FF abandoned for developers and SF will disappoint as soon as they start paying any attention to that party's actual policies (if they can be discerned.

if Lab/SD arent the next big beneficiaries of the disaffected taxpaying non-property owner tranche then they deserve to be wound down

L1011

blinding wrote: »

Ask a Lefty what they are going to do about the Low Wages of Irish People ( falling in Real terms since the early 70’s )

And all ya get is Tumble-Weed, Tumble-Weed , Tumble-Weed ! ! !

This is why the Left always talk about other stuff ( often Mad-Stuff ).

Wages have not been falling in real terms since the 1970s in Ireland. That's the US you're thinking of, but anyway:

The Low Pay Commission, which has increased the minimum wage beyond inflation every year since foundation, was set up by Ged Nash. Who is a Labour TD.

There's been a rather significant push for Living Wage by the sensible parties of the Left also.

I'm not sure what you're listening to/reading to have got such a distorted view of reality.

blinding

L1011 wrote: »

Wages have not been falling in real terms since the 1970s in Ireland. That's the US you're thinking of, but anyway:

The Low Pay Commission, which has increased the minimum wage beyond inflation every year since foundation, was set up by Ged Nash. Who is a Labour TD.

There's been a rather significant push for Living Wage by the sensible parties of the Left also.

I'm not sure what you're listening to/reading to have got such a distorted view of reality.

The Lefties have No Answer to Low Wages as a Matter of Fact Everything the Lefty Parties do seems to be in Favour of Low Wages.

Imagine that, Supposed Lefty Parties in Favour of Low Wages = = Thats What We Have in Ireland ! ! !

L1011

blinding wrote: »

The Lefties have No Answer to Low Wages as a Matter of Fact Everything the Lefty Parties do seems to be in Favour of Low Wages.

Imagine that, Supposed Lefty Parties in Favour of Low Wages = = Thats What We Have in Ireland ! ! !

I've just given you hard evidence of a left party making a very significant difference to low wages and you reply with this effectively unintelligible... thing.

Can you show something of a left-wing party being "in favour of low wages"?

Eric Cartman

Edgware wrote: »

The problem Labour and Sinn Fein are making is believing all this working class solidarity ****e. The honest to God working man and woman living in estates up and down the country want to wake up and find the car where they left it. The postman going in to work at 6 a.m. has no sympathy for the local Jason on the dole who spends the day getting pissed. Kelly and Cushy Butterfield wants to give these wasters an increase

absolutely this. Labour made sense at a time when the working class meant the working class. The problem sf and pbp have is rolling those in with dole Jason as above, and also every other lefty 'ism
they should go back to their roots of defending the actual working class.

its a bit of a weird one as tom the security guard and his wife Helen the part time cleaner probably despise the dole lifers more than I ever could, and probably have some pretty Mal formed opinions about the 'foreigners' and the 'gays' etc.. these parties all keep trying to get votes from groups of people that despise each other and then promise that the workers of Ireland will pay for all of their cushy lives and are surprised when those who actually receive a payslip walk away.

blinding

L1011 wrote: »

I've just given you hard evidence of a left party making a very significant difference to low wages and you reply with this effectively unintelligible... thing.

Can you show something of a left-wing party being "in favour of low wages"?

Every Policy of the Lefty Parties Promotes Low Wages.

When all of their Policies Promote Low Wages it is correct to assume that they are In Favour of Low Wages.

Lefty Parties have become the Parties of Low Wages. They Love Low Wages and Low Wage Jobs.

L1011

blinding wrote: »

Every Policy of the Lefty Parties Promotes Low Wages.

When all of their Policies Promote Low Wages it is correct to assume that they are In Favour of Low Wages.

Lefty Parties have become the Parties of Low Wages. They Love Low Wages and Low Wage Jobs.

So that's a no, then.

landofthetree

blinding wrote: »

Every Policy of the Lefty Parties Promotes Low Wages.

When all of their Policies Promote Low Wages it is correct to assume that they are In Favour of Low Wages.

Lefty Parties have become the Parties of Low Wages. They Love Low Wages and Low Wage Jobs.

True enough. They would bring in even more migrants.


Not enough migrants arriving to keep pay down - Central Bank

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html

blinding

landofthetree wrote: »

True enough. They would bring in even more migrants.


Not enough migrants arriving to keep pay down - Central Bank

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/jobs/not-enough-migrants-arriving-to-keep-pay-down-central-bank-38356212.html

All the Lefty Parties support this i.e. They support Policies to Keep Wages Low.

Lefty Parties are the Parties of Low Wages = = Thats what Lefty Parties are about these days ! ! !

Eric Cartman

L1011 wrote: »

I've just given you hard evidence of a left party making a very significant difference to low wages and you reply with this effectively unintelligible... thing.

Can you show something of a left-wing party being "in favour of low wages"?

directly voting for low wages - no , but in a roundabout way yes - any policy which allows/promotes immigration or asylum acceptance is adding more low paid low skilled workers to the pool, any policy raising tax or regulation on US multinationals is decreasing the already limited number of manufacturing jobs here. Promoting unionisation and abolishing 0 hours contracts has laid off a lot of low paid workers.

ill admit the policies are often designed to raise the living standards of many poor people, but often has the knock-on effect of helping a sizeable percentage while inadvertently knocking many more off the jobs ladder.

I Am The Law

Double O Seven wrote: »

They have fallen to 3% in the polls since Kelly took over

Obviously.

blinding

L1011 wrote: »

Wages have not been falling in real terms since the 1970s in Ireland. That's the US you're thinking of, but anyway:

The Low Pay Commission, which has increased the minimum wage beyond inflation every year since foundation, was set up by Ged Nash. Who is a Labour TD.

There's been a rather significant push for Living Wage by the sensible parties of the Left also.

I'm not sure what you're listening to/reading to have got such a distorted view of reality.

The Lefty Parties now think Minimum Wage jobs or Living Wage Jobs are great ! ! !

Sure ya could say a Slave was on a Living Wage Job or else She / He would die ! ! !

The Lefties think they are doing you a huge favour with their Minimum Hourly Wage Jobs or their Living Wage Jobs ~ ~ ~ No Mention of how many of these are Agency Jobs ~ ~ or how many hours a week the worker gets or how many of them are Zero hours jobs ~ ~ ~ But heh, get down on your knees and thank the Lefty Parties for their Policies that have made sure this is what is happening.

Show your gratitude to those Lefty Parties and their policies of Low Wages ~ ~ Why the Hell are you Not Grateful ~ ~ ~ And don’t forget to get with all the mad stuff the Left gets involved in to hide that they are Parties of Low Wages and will do absolutely nothing about Low Wages ~ ~ ~ Heh , Look over there , we are doing some mad Lefty stuff that nobody cares about to distract you ! ! !:eek::eek:

L1011

blinding wrote: »

The Lefty Parties now think Minimum Wage jobs or Living Wage Jobs are great ! ! !

Sure ya could say a Slave was on a Living Wage Job or else She / He would die ! ! !

The Lefties think they are doing you a huge favour with their Minimum Hourly Wage Jobs or their Living Wage Jobs ~ ~ ~ No Mention of how many of these are Agency Jobs ~ ~ or how many hours a week the worker gets or how many of them are Zero hours jobs ~ ~ ~ But heh, get down on your knees and thank the Lefty Parties for their Policies that have made sure this is what is happening.

Show your gratitude to those Lefty Parties and their policies of Low Wages ~ ~ Why the Hell are you Not Grateful ~ ~ ~ And don’t forget to get with all the mad stuff the Left gets involved in to hide that they are Parties of Low Wages and will do absolutely nothing about Low Wages ~ ~ ~ Heh , Look over there , we are doing some mad Lefty stuff that nobody cares about to distract you ! ! !:eek::eek:

This post is completely unintelligible.

Galwayguy35

Its so far removed from the party Jim Larkin founded its hard to see any way back for them now.

You have Labour, the Greens, SDs and SF to a certain extent as well all trying to get the middle class liberal vote.

dhaughton99

blinding wrote: »

All the Lefty Parties support this i.e. They support Policies to Keep Wages Low.

Lefty Parties are the Parties of Low Wages = = Thats what Lefty Parties are about these days ! ! !

Low wages and free labor through partnerships and schemes. Why pay when you can get them to work by force? The people will not forget jackbooted Joan

blinding

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Low wages and free labor through partnerships and schemes. Why pay when you can get them to work by force? The people will not forget jackbooted Joan

Joan Burton really really really hated Working Class people and she was a Labour Party TD:eek::eek:

All these Lefty Parties are the same they actually hate the Irish Working Class.

I suppose thats why they think Low wages are good enough for the Irish working Class ! !:eek::eek:

I Am The Law

blinding wrote: »

Joan Burton really really really hated Working Class people and she was a Labour Party TD:eek::eek:

All these Lefty Parties are the same they actually hate the Irish Working Class.

I suppose thats why they think Low wages are good enough for the Irish working Class ! !:eek::eek:

That's because they adopt their "social conscience" in college as idealistic young people and have no real life experiences, it's difficult to keep that act up for the rest of your life.

blinding

I Am The Law wrote: »

That's because they adopt their "social conscience" in college as idealistic young people and have no real life experiences, it's difficult to keep that act up for the rest of your life.

:eek: You are Not Wrong ! !

You’d wonder why the Irish Working Class keep Voting (well some of them ) for Lefty parties that Hate them :eek:

Foxhound38

blinding wrote: »

Every Policy of the Lefty Parties Promotes Low Wages.

When all of their Policies Promote Low Wages it is correct to assume that they are In Favour of Low Wages.

Lefty Parties have become the Parties of Low Wages. They Love Low Wages and Low Wage Jobs.

You keep saying that but can't seem to offer any detail. What policies specifically do the left parties stand for that promotes lower wages?

jay1988

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I think one thing that is “unfortunate” for Labour is that Sinn Fein and the other smaller left parties can bring up labours record in govt any time they like and use it as a stick to beat them with.

Deservedly so, they were an absolute disgrace in government and hopefully will never get near those levels again.

blinding

blinding wrote: »

The Lefty Parties now think Minimum Wage jobs or Living Wage Jobs are great ! ! !

Sure ya could say a Slave was on a Living Wage Job or else She / He would die ! ! !

The Lefties think they are doing you a huge favour with their Minimum Hourly Wage Jobs or their Living Wage Jobs ~ ~ ~ No Mention of how many of these are Agency Jobs ~ ~ or how many hours a week the worker gets or how many of them are Zero hours jobs ~ ~ ~ But heh, get down on your knees and thank the Lefty Parties for their Policies that have made sure this is what is happening.

Show your gratitude to those Lefty Parties and their policies of Low Wages ~ ~ Why the Hell are you Not Grateful ~ ~ ~ And don’t forget to get with all the mad stuff the Left gets involved in to hide that they are Parties of Low Wages and will do absolutely nothing about Low Wages ~ ~ ~ Heh , Look over there , we are doing some mad Lefty stuff that nobody cares about to distract you ! ! !:eek::eek:

Is there any thread on this website in which you don't contribute complete and utter cobblers?

IAMAMORON

I think they have suffered from the upsurge in less moderate lefties like the SD's an PBP. Kelly should be reaching out to these parties to amalgamate, when you break them down there is only a few issues of contention.

At some point or other the left wing will need to unite to get into any semblance of power. Their alternative is to sit on the sidelines cranking away, voters will eventually give up on them if they cannot influence change.

Between the independents, Labour and the other lefties and the other moops and stooges you have essentially 35-40 seats that are literally offering this country nothing. Crank crank blah blah all day long ....and no one is listening, at all.

blinding

Foxhound38 wrote: »

You keep saying that but can't seem to offer any detail. What policies specifically do the left parties stand for that promotes lower wages?

Every policy that the Lefty Parties have are against the Irish Working Class.

They have absolutely No Policies that are for the Irish working Class ~ None.

Irish lefty Parties Hate the Irish Working Class, They are Anti-Irish Working Class Parties ~ ~ ~ Are they even in the Correct Country ? ?

Danzy

Bonniedog wrote: »

There has always been a relatively marginal left liberal party in the state. Used to be Labour, now its the Shinners.

They are doing better than Labour ever did at moment, but a lot of that is because the people who vote for them think they stand for all sorts of stuff which they don't.

The dimmer ones think they are still a republican nationalist party, and the woke one couldn't give a fart about any of that. They do well in being able to ride two horses: making it seem that they are against stuff while actually voting for it! The Covid restrictions being just one example. Also completely contradictory policies north and south.

In north they even support cutting corporation tax and have implemented Tory cuts. While whinging about such things down here. Shows how much attention most southern voters pay to north, or anything really.

SF in Dublin is different to SF in Armagh or Kerry.

How they'll square the circle of what they are now vs what the support base thinks is going to define them.

Many of the younger activists in the party are Sticks.

Danzy

blinding wrote: »

Every policy that the Lefty Parties have are against the Irish Working Class.

They have absolutely No Policies that are for the Irish working Class ~ None.

Irish lefty Parties Hate the Irish Working Class, They are Anti-Irish Working Class Parties ~ ~ ~ Are they even in the Correct Country ? ?

The modern left are post working class.

Danzy

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I think they have suffered from the upsurge in less moderate lefties like the SD's an PBP. Kelly should be reaching out to these parties to amalgamate, when you break them down there is only a few issues of contention.

At some point or other the left wing will need to unite to get into any semblance of power. Their alternative is to sit on the sidelines cranking away, voters will eventually give up on them if they cannot influence change.

Between the independents, Labour and the other lefties and the other moops and stooges you have essentially 35-40 seats that are literally offering this country nothing. Crank crank blah blah all day long ....and no one is listening, at all.

There are 19 left wing parties and movements in Ireland.

The Greens have factions developing internally now.

Do they want to influence change?

Edgware

Danzy wrote: »

SF in Dublin is different to SF in Armagh or Kerry.

How they'll square the circle of what they are now vs what the support base thinks is going to define them.

Many of the younger activists in the party are Sticks.

The S.F. in Armagh and Tyrone arent really in to this equal distribution of wealth ****e (ask Slab if you doubt me).
And if Cushy told the truth she isn't either

blinding

blinding wrote: »

Every policy that the Lefty Parties have are against the Irish Working Class.

They have absolutely No Policies that are for the Irish working Class ~ None.

Irish lefty Parties Hate the Irish Working Class, They are Anti-Irish Working Class Parties ~ ~ ~ Are they even in the Correct Country ? ?

You still have not answered Foxhound's question, you've just posted more drivel.

blinding

Deleted User wrote: »

You still have not answered Foxhound's question, you've just posted more drivel.

What Policies have any of the Lefty Parties that will increase the Wages of the Irish Working Class People = = Answer ~ No Policies What so Ever ! ! !:eek::eek:

Richard Hillman

You can see everything begin to pan out over the next 20 years or so. Labour in the UK got hammered in their traditional areas because they abandoned their indigenous working class vote. And it wasn't just Brexit Party stripping votes, people genuinely went out and voted Conservative for the first time in their lives.

Here we have Labour who have absolutely no interest in the issues facing working class Irish people. They cannot possibly tell us with a straight face that Aodhan O'Riordan and Ivana Bacik are fully tuned in to the issues of the working class (not welfare class). Sinn Féin are going that way too and PBP pretty much despise the people who vote for them :pac:

It's all lining up for an actual right wing party to move in, take the working class vote with socially Conservative policies and the middle class vote with fiscally Conservative politicies. A party that says F-U to the media, well play our own game, we're only interested in stuff that people actually care about.

The current right wing is too scattered and the good voices are being drowned out by the crazies. But the grounding is there if it finds a good cohesive leader (Like Farage) and some financial backing.

blinding

Richard Hillman wrote: »

You can see everything begin to pan out over the next 20 years or so. Labour in the UK got hammered in their traditional areas because they abandoned their indigenous working class vote. And it wasn't just Brexit Party stripping votes, people genuinely went out and voted Conservative for the first time in their lives.

Here we have Labour who have absolutely no interest in the issues facing working class Irish people. Sinn Féin are going that way too and PBP pretty much despise the people who vote for them :pac:

It's all lining up for an actual right wing party to move in, take the working class vote with socially Conservative policies and the middle class vote with fiscally Conservative politicies. A party that says F-U to the media, well play our own game, we're only interested in stuff that people actually care about.

The current right wing is too scattered and the good voices are being drowned out by the crazies. But the grounding is there if it finds a good cohesive leader (Like Farage) and some financial backing.

Excellent Post. This is the Future.

TCM

Double O Seven wrote:

They have fallen to 3% in the polls since Kelly took over

Wonderful. Obliteration of the Liebour party hopefully.