Should Berlin in Dame St be closed down?

Suckit · 21-08-2020 12:59am

You forgot finger pointing, and ironically being 'influenced'

akin to saying "Somebody in authority did something, so I did something"

It also reeks of being coached.

21-08-2020 1:32am

Some ****wits will see the golf outing as some kind of vindication for these ****.

It's not.

It's the same.

All *****.

Irishman80 · 21-08-2020 2:10am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Some ****wits will see the golf outing as some kind of vindication for these ****.

It's not.

It's the same.

All *****.

It's nowhere near the same.

On the one hand, you've a couple of young people at a party who broke social distancing guidelines.

On the other hand, you have government ministers who are giving power to the security apparatus of the State to arrest and charge people for breaking social distancing guidelines - then they head off and break them. And only a few days before this, the same government were outraged by a few young people dancing.

Give me a break...

21-08-2020 2:30am

Irishman80 wrote: »

It's nowhere near the same.

On the one hand, you've a couple of young people at a party who broke social distancing guidelines.

On the other hand, you have government ministers who are giving power to the security apparatus of the State to arrest and charge people for breaking social distancing guidelines - then they head off and break them. And only a few days before this, the same government were outraged by a few young people dancing.

Give me a break...

Have a break chief.

You can hardly blame the ministers... They broke no rules. Was that not your spiel?

No laws were broken.

Both parties, both events, everyone involved were selfish *****.

Absolutely I want the government ministers to behave better. But I am also old enough to know not to expect it.

I find both reprehensible and one does not excuse the other. In fact, I think both compliment each other and prove that neither old nor young, nor rich nor poor are capable of common decency.

Irishman80 · 21-08-2020 2:37am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have a break chief.

You can hardly blame the ministers... They broke no rules. Was that not your spiel?

No laws were broken.

Both parties, both events, everyone involved were selfish *****.

Absolutely I want the government ministers to behave better. But I am also old enough to know not to expect it.

I find both reprehensible and one does not excuse the other. In fact, I think both compliment each other and prove that neither old nor young, nor rich nor poor are capable of common decency.

The Ministers are in positions of power dictating how we should live our lives. Punching down at us while they are destroying our livelihoods. Then doing the same thing they threaten to lock us up for.

The young people dancing are doing what young people do - enjoying themselves.

I suppose you think common decency includes the mobs attacking and threatening a young woman because people at her party danced (Politicians added fuel to this fire by joining in).

Common decency, yeah right...the valley of the squinting windows and outrage mobs.

21-08-2020 2:53am

Irishman80 wrote: »

The Ministers are in positions of power dictating how we should live our lives. Punching down at us while they are destroying our livelihoods. Then doing the same thing they threaten to lock us up for.

The young people dancing are doing what young people do - enjoying themselves.

I suppose you think common decency includes the mobs attacking and threatening a young woman because people at her party danced (Politicians added fuel to this fire by joining in).

Common decency, yeah right...the valley of the squinting windows and outrage mobs.

I think common decency is keeping distance, not socially gathering, having a sense of responsibility for our actions and not engaging in reckless behaviour.

The people in Berlin and the **** at the golf outing flouted common decency.

Both are disgusting. Both should be looked down upon. The ministers are guilty of a higher level of hypocrisy but that in no way excuses the actions of the people in Berlin.

JP Liz V1 · 21-08-2020 2:55am

quokula wrote: »

Pouring from a distance

Is that Bane :P

wandererz · 21-08-2020 3:00am

In the case of the Dublin situation, the person who took the video expressed concern over what was happening and over their safety because of that.

Irishman80 · 21-08-2020 3:00am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think common decency is keeping distance, not socially gathering, having a sense of responsibility for our actions and not engaging in reckless behaviour.

The people in Berlin and the **** at the golf outing flouted common decency.

Both are disgusting. Both should be looked down upon. The ministers are guilty of a higher level of hypocrisy but that in no way excuses the actions of the people in Berlin.

When we start holding all the powerful people in Ireland and around the world to account for bringing this death and destruction upon us, I might (just might) register a small protest sentence against a couple of ordinary, private individuals for dancing. It wont include harassing or threatening them though as part of a hysterical mob.

21-08-2020 3:09am

Irishman80 wrote: »

When we start holding all the powerful people in Ireland and around the world to account for bringing this death and destruction upon us, I might (just might) register a small protest sentence against a couple of ordinary, private individuals for dancing. It wont include harassing or threatening them though as part of a hysterical mob.

Cool.

I'll just judge individuals, regardless of their social status or their perceived place in society, by their actions.

hynesie08 · 21-08-2020 3:22am

wandererz wrote: »

In the case of the Dublin situation, the person who took the video expressed concern over what was happening and over their safety because of that.

The person who took the video was the organiser...........

21-08-2020 3:25am

hynesie08 wrote: »

The person who took the video was the organiser...........

Who also laughably called out the government for ministers flouting recommendations.

She's a dose. They are too.

dd973 · 21-08-2020 3:32am

pgj2015 wrote: »

is that a gay bar? seemed pretty gay to me.

No, it's a bar named after the capital of Germany, Isherwood.

wandererz · 21-08-2020 3:45am

hynesie08 wrote: »

The person who took the video was the organiser...........

There's other video and interviews of a couple who were there who expressed fear of what was happening and left early.

hynesie08 · 21-08-2020 3:54am

wandererz wrote: »

There's other video and interviews of a couple who were there who expressed fear of what was happening and left early.

There was a guy who ripped the organisers video to twitter and claimed it was theirs, and an interview with someone who was "in fear for their life" but I haven't seen any videos that weren't jess brennans.....

The White Wolf · 21-08-2020 6:03am

wandererz wrote: »

In the case of the Dublin situation, the person who took the video expressed concern over what was happening and over their safety because of that.

The person recording attended a gathering organised by an influencer, so he himself is very much in the hypocritical wanker bracket.

cj maxx · 21-08-2020 7:09am

Anyone have a link to the video ?

silver2020 · 21-08-2020 8:22am

Excellent opinion piece in the Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rage-over-berlin-bar-is-a-distraction-from-what-ireland-must-do-1.4335064

Brendan Bendar · 21-08-2020 8:41am

silver2020 wrote: »

Excellent opinion piece in the Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rage-over-berlin-bar-is-a-distraction-from-what-ireland-must-do-1.4335064

Should be good for an ‘access all areas’ pass in Berlin.

duffmann · 21-08-2020 8:46am

There is a hotel in Galway that should be closed down too

topper75 · 21-08-2020 10:54am

silver2020 wrote: »

Excellent opinion piece in the Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rage-over-berlin-bar-is-a-distraction-from-what-ireland-must-do-1.4335064

Logic is sound by me.

I think our failure to protect the vulnerable earlier in the year has brought on some kind of weird displacement of guilt that manifests as peevishness toward non-vulnerable.
We are wasting our time and resources. Protect the vulnerable instead. Try fight the war where the enemy really is.

murphyebass · 21-08-2020 11:02am

Why is the poll result hidden?

dasdog · 21-08-2020 11:17am

silver2020 wrote: »

Excellent opinion piece in the Irish times

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/rage-over-berlin-bar-is-a-distraction-from-what-ireland-must-do-1.4335064

"The fact that the background music was from a band called The Killers added to the sense of abandon."

What a terrible sentence in what otherwise is a reasoned article. Journalists need to start drinking top shelf at lunch time as they used to.

Suckit · 21-08-2020 1:51pm

dasdog wrote: »

"The fact that the background music was from a band called The Killers added to the sense of abandon."

What a terrible sentence in what otherwise is a reasoned article. Journalists need to start drinking top shelf at lunch time as they used to.

TBF, it is a f**king terrible song from a terrible band.
I had initially no opinion of them until one weekend somebody I know had bought their latest album (maybe 3rd or 4th) and it was the most boring thing I had/have ever heard.

Muahahaha · 25-08-2020 9:06am

Well at least we finally got the result of the poll.....

Jizique · 29-08-2020 11:14pm

dasdog wrote: »

"The fact that the background music was from a band called The Killers added to the sense of abandon."

What a terrible sentence in what otherwise is a reasoned article. Journalists need to start drinking top shelf at lunch time as they used to.

Jay is sharing his troubles with the legend that is Barry Egan tomorrow in the Sindo; two of Dublin’s great twats

Spanish Eyes · 29-08-2020 11:16pm

Who actually gives a sht.

Brendan Bendar · 30-08-2020 6:41am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Who actually gives a sht.

The People, my friend.

Don’t like being dabbed in the clockweights by these handpumps.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 24-09-2020 8:23pm

Gardai object to Berlin's license to sell alcohol being renewed.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

circadian · 24-09-2020 10:22pm

Don't think it should be closed indefinitely but the licence should be withheld until the pandemic is over.

dotsman · 24-09-2020 11:36pm

Personally, I think they should be compensated for all the BS vitriol that was aimed at them.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 25-09-2020 10:38am

dotsman wrote: »

Personally, I think they should be compensated for all the BS vitriol that was aimed at them.

I'm sure they wouldn't reject a personal donation from yourself in lieu of compensation.

Grayditch · 25-09-2020 11:02am

Steyr 556 wrote: »

I'm sure they wouldn't reject a personal donation from yourself in lieu of compensation.

Great idea.

dotsman · 25-09-2020 11:40am

Steyr 556 wrote: »

I'm sure they wouldn't reject a personal donation from yourself in lieu of compensation.

Grayditch wrote: »

Great idea.

Compensation is paid by those who have wronged the victim

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 25-09-2020 12:05pm

dotsman wrote: »

Compensation is paid by those who have wronged the victim

You really need to question your own perspective if you think Berlin are the victims here.

Nobody put a gun to their (staff, owners) heads and said act the maggot or else.

They have an obligation to act in a responsible manner and they failed.

whisky_galore · 25-09-2020 12:24pm

dotsman wrote: »

Personally, I think they should be compensated for all the BS vitriol that was aimed at them.

Lol.

dotsman · 25-09-2020 2:27pm

Steyr 556 wrote: »

You really need to question your own perspective if you think Berlin are the victims here.

Nobody put a gun to their (staff, owners) heads and said act the maggot or else.

They have an obligation to act in a responsible manner and they failed.

But they did act responsibly (in general) and didn't act the maggot.

They offered people a way to socialise relatively safely, and far safer than a house party. This included socially distanced, clean tables with table service.

In giving out the "free shot", the barman had people come up to the him and he would pour it into their mouth. This went on for a few minutes, with people coming up in ones and two's.

Was it the best way to handle it? No.
But was it very dangerous? No.

It looked bad, but that is all. But it has been blown completely out of proportion, and taken completely out of context by the curtain-twitching, holier-than-thou mob. Everyone in the pub that day was in a far safer environment than if they had been at a house party, which is what they would have been doing otherwise. And rather than scream bloody murder, anybody who is actually interested in getting this country back on it's feet would be focused on simply giving the barman a tap on the should (not literally;)) and explain how he could have done it better.

As we see this pandemic worsen again, a huge part of the reason for that is the anti-pub, anti-everything hysterical mob that are running amok. After the initial lock-down, we were supposed to re-open the country in a safe way. Rather than doing that, we have allowed these people run the country into the ground and drive poor behaviour.

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 2:47pm

dotsman wrote: »

But they did act responsibly (in general) and didn't act the maggot.

They offered people a way to socialise relatively safely, and far safer than a house party. This included socially distanced, clean tables with table service.

In giving out the "free shot", the barman had people come up to the him and he would pour it into their mouth. This went on for a few minutes, with people coming up in ones and two's.
Was it the best way to handle it? No.

But was it very dangerous? No.

It looked bad, but that is all. But it has been blown completely out of proportion, and taken completely out of context by the curtain-twitching, holier-than-thou mob. Everyone in the pub that day was in a far safer environment than if they had been at a house party, which is what they would have been doing otherwise. And rather than scream bloody murder, anybody who is actually interested in getting this country back on it's feet would be focused on simply giving the barman a tap on the should (not literally;)) and explain how he could have done it better.

As we see this pandemic worsen again, a huge part of the reason for that is the anti-pub, anti-everything hysterical mob that are running amok. After the initial lock-down, we were supposed to re-open the country in a safe way. Rather than doing that, we have allowed these people run the country into the ground and drive poor behaviour.

There is no hysterical mob, anti pub anti everything, just a bunch of cretins thinking the laws are for them, not others.

The only ones running amok were the stults in the Berlin Bar and that idiot of a barman.

Hope they get closed down and debarred from holding a drink licence.

At least the compliant bar owners might feel justified.

You have’nt a leg to stand on ,pal.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 25-09-2020 3:02pm

dotsman wrote: »

But they did act responsibly (in general) and didn't act the maggot.

They offered people a way to socialise relatively safely, and far safer than a house party. This included socially distanced, clean tables with table service.

In giving out the "free shot", the barman had people come up to the him and he would pour it into their mouth. This went on for a few minutes, with people coming up in ones and two's.
Was it the best way to handle it? No.

But was it very dangerous? No.

It looked bad, but that is all. But it has been blown completely out of proportion, and taken completely out of context by the curtain-twitching, holier-than-thou mob. Everyone in the pub that day was in a far safer environment than if they had been at a house party, which is what they would have been doing otherwise. And rather than scream bloody murder, anybody who is actually interested in getting this country back on it's feet would be focused on simply giving the barman a tap on the should (not literally;)) and explain how he could have done it better.

As we see this pandemic worsen again, a huge part of the reason for that is the anti-pub, anti-everything hysterical mob that are running amok. After the initial lock-down, we were supposed to re-open the country in a safe way. Rather than doing that, we have allowed these people run the country into the ground and drive poor behaviour.

They acted the maggot and it is poor excuses at best which you've provided. Who is to say that the people who were at Berlin would have attended house parties if the venue wasn't open? There was little social distancing on display in the video I've seen and I've read witness accounts of people leaving because they felt unsafe with the complete disregard to social distancing taking place.

If we know that the virus can be spread by aerosols and droplets from the human body, how sensible is it to pour liquids directly into open mouths of multiple people?

What has happened is the antics at Berlin have badly tarnished the reputation of pubs across the country, and the government is less likely to trust them to operate responsible and must be seen to tough now and close pubs as soon as infection rates get too high.

Which is a massive shame because I believe the vast majority of pubs do conduct themselves soundly and didn't allow things to spiral out of control.

What has Berlin cost the pubs nationally by letting those antics carry on? A spectacular own goal.

growleaves · 25-09-2020 4:37pm

The only ones running amok were the stults in the Berlin Bar and that idiot of a barman

What's a stult?

celt262 · 25-09-2020 4:41pm

growleaves wrote: »

What's a stult?

Sluts?

endacl · 25-09-2020 4:41pm

growleaves wrote: »

What's a stult?

A dyslexic slut?

dxhound2005 · 25-09-2020 4:42pm

Past tense of stilt.

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 4:44pm

growleaves wrote: »

What's a stult?

Whatever you think such a churn is dude.

For me it’s an arsehole who doesn’t give a fuuherke about anybody but themselves.

Yeh.... that would cover it.

AlanG · 25-09-2020 4:49pm

dotsman wrote: »

In giving out the "free shot", the barman had people come up to the him and he would pour it into their mouth. This went on for a few minutes, with people coming up in ones and two's.
.

Free pouring spirits alone is grounds for a pub to lose its license - this venue doesn't even have a pub license and they were distributing drinks in a way that is completely illegal in Ireland and leave the pub open to massive legal liability risks.

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 5:04pm

AlanG wrote: »

Free pouring spirits alone is grounds for a pub to lose its license - this venue doesn't even have a pub license and they were distributing drinks in a way that is completely illegal in Ireland and leave the pub open to massive legal liability risks.

Hopefully it will Al.

These stults who think they can laugh at the people working their butts off to care for victims of Covid need to realise that the taxpayer won’t tolerate that fcukkery.

Smooth stults wearing scarves won’t tell the taxpayer how to manage the current pandemic, they got a a bit of a little bag kick coming up.

And rightly so.

Richard Hillman · 25-09-2020 5:07pm

Gardaí objected to a licence renewal a few weeks ago for pub in Mayo that were ignoring the guidelines. The Court said that they have 2 months to get their act together.
https://www.mayonews.ie/news/35814-gardai-object-to-achill-pub-licence-for-alleged-covid-breaches

Gardai can't just go around whipping licences off people for obscure reasons. A few people went to the bar instead of table service and the server pour the drink in their mouths and not a glass. There isn't a court in the land that will be removing their licence for such petty issues.

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 5:09pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Gardaí objected to a licence renewal a few weeks ago for pub in Mayo that were ignoring the guidelines. The Court said that they have 2 months to get their act together.
https://www.mayonews.ie/news/35814-gardai-object-to-achill-pub-licence-for-alleged-covid-breaches

Gardai can't just go around whipping licences off people for obscure reasons. A few people went to the bar instead of table service and the server pour the drink in their mouths and not a glass. There isn't a court in the land that will be removing their licence for such petty issues.

Let’s wait and see, my friend.

growleaves · 25-09-2020 5:12pm

Feckin stults.

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 5:35pm

growleaves wrote: »

Feckin stults.

Well if you want to be gamed by a bunch of stults, and you are happy to have your taxes used to clean up after them.........babe ...who am I to stop you.

This poster doesn’t see things that way, pardon me for that, my friend.

But if you’re happy to be gamed............fire ahead Growser.

Should Berlin in Dame St be closed down?

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