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Killer Robots

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    Killer robots or robot killer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭AlphabetCards


    Of course, the weapon system was not entirely autonomous, and required a human decision before fining, but had it been autonomous, who knows?

    I was referring to CIWS systems such as Goalkeeper and Phalanx which are guns (and have a range of about 4km) rather than missiles (the one you refer to goes well past 70km). The criteria for both these zones and modes of threat engagement are hugely different - anything 4km from a battlegroup will be well assessed and characterised by the time it gets there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭AlphabetCards


    AcNPuiD.jpg

    Jesus christ. This is surely a wind-up? The recoil from that will destroy the whole unit, and there's not a hope of accuracy unless they fire point-blank.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Jesus christ. This is surely a wind-up? The recoil from that will destroy the whole unit, and there's not a hope of accuracy unless they fire point-blank.
    what recoil ? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    some folks just want to kill, there will always be people like that I am sorry to say.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Rubecula wrote: »
    some folks just want to kill, there will always be people like that I am sorry to say.
    Makes me wonder if there was an evolutionary survival advantage for such a characteristic, if in fact it was somehow inherited or culturally learned? If so, what happens when such a characteristic is somehow programmed into autonomous weapons systems; or not?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Makes me wonder if there was an evolutionary survival advantage for such a characteristic, if in fact it was somehow inherited or culturally learned? If so, what happens when such a characteristic is somehow programmed into autonomous weapons systems; or not?
    I'd reckon it's genetic. Compare chimps to bonobos.

    Our civilisation is a balance between a few people being able to accumulate vast riches and power at the expense of others, and a general lifting of the rest of us.

    42 people now have the same resources as half of all humanity.

    The rich are getting richer. It used to take a lot more billionaires to match the poor and there's been population growth. Things like the weekend and annual holidays weren't given freely. "I predict a riot"

    Here in Ireland we've had a very long period of relatively quite industrial relations as some wealth was shared. In France the air traffic controllers are having their annual strike.

    There's an old saying that a rising tide lifts all boats and social coefficients predict that societies are more stable if wealth growth is shared.

    I'm less envious if I'm getting richer too. But if you are getting richer and I ain't then don't expect sympathy.


    So for robots on auto it depends. If they are working together or if they are competing.


    *googles DIY EMP devices*


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan



    So for robots on auto it depends. If they are working together or if they are competing.
    AI programmer colleague claims that there are AI systems that have built-in competition in their algorithms, and from this competition the AI programme learns and advances, while continuing to compete at an extraordinary rate. He had a name for this self-competitive algorithm, but I cannot remember it at this moment. I can just imagine such an AI system shaping and rapidly evolving the programming of killer robots.

    *googles DIY EMP devices*
    Grand humour! :D


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    Black Swan wrote: »
    He had a name for this self-competitive algorithm, but I cannot remember it at this moment.
    Evolutionary algorithms?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    we see competitive spirit in humans as a good thing but not to the point of destroying somebody else (in general terms anyway) we can only hope AI systems of the future will be as moral. It is always possible that the competitive streak is an aberration too.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Rubecula wrote: »
    we can only hope AI systems of the future will be as moral.
    "If one uses morality in its descriptive sense, and therefore uses it to refer to codes of conduct actually put forward by distinct groups or societies, one will almost certainly deny that there is a universal morality that applies to all human beings." Does this suggest that what may be "moral" for one group or society may not be for another? This reminds me of the cliche, "One group's asset is another group's liability." Or yet another paraphrase: one group's terrorist is another group's freedom fighter. Will AI killer robots evidence group-specific morality accordingly?

    Source:
    The Definition of Morality, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Revised 8 February 2016.
    Rubecula wrote: »
    It is always possible that the competitive streak is an aberration too.
    My housemate and I have been rereading The Lessons of History by Will and Ariel Durant, wherein they conclude that war is the ultimate form of human competition, and that war historically is normal, and peace is not. "War is a constant in history, there being only 268 years of no war in 3421 years of history."

    To what extent do these conclusions suggest that "killer robots" may be a normal extension of human behaviour, that may evidence group-specific morality?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    AI will be the death of humanity .. humans are the future sheep cows. That’s if we are lucky enough for the robots to even let us be slaves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    AI will be the death of humanity .. humans are the future sheep cows. That’s if we are lucky enough for the robots to even let us be slaves


    we will not be alive to see that outcome, imho.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    AI will be the death of humanity .. humans are the future sheep cows. That’s if we are lucky enough for the robots to even let us be slaves
    Rubecula wrote: »
    we will not be alive to see that outcome, imho.
    When Skynet becomes self-aware.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    zDutbnm.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    zDutbnm.jpg

    omg .. :eek::eek:


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    Turing Test. Would we fail too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Fathom wrote: »
    Turing Test. Would we fail too?
    most certainly


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Rubecula wrote: »
    most certainly

    Raises hand.


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    Ex Machina exceeds expectations?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Alexa at work fires Capt'n. Messages reason with warm fuzzy talk about wishing Capt'n a bright future. Front entrance security Bot will help him clear out is desk, and walk him to the door.


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    Terminators march to the drums of Skynet. Fiction today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    big mechanical dinosaur spirals in from the general direction of Orion's belt......


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Mechagodzilla


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    93% of People Would Trust Orders from a Robot at Work :eek:



    Don't worry they didn't ask real people , just Golgafrincham Ark B candidates
    For this survey, 1,320 HR Leaders and employees were asked about their views regarding AI implementation and usage in the workplace.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    This research report only discussed percentages, and percentages are descriptive and not inferential. Further, they did not provide specific details on how their sample was derived, only generalities, which leaves us guessing if the sample data was representative of a clearly identified population, or populations (e.g. HR personnel, employees, etc.), and could be generalised to them accordingly; e.g., was it a convenience non-probability sample, or what? I would also like to know both the significance levels and confidence intervals. And I wonder to what extent the funding sources of this research may have been self-interested in the results, and what precautions were taken to reduce the chance of experimenter effects, self-fulfilling prophecy, etc.?

    I could go on and on with such questions, but fortunately I have not had my coffee yet this Pacific Saturday afternoon; and besides, I am doubtful that most readers want to engage in a long, windy discussion on research methods. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    A little background music for our discussion of Killer Robots provided by Rubecula.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    hope you enjoy it Swannie


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Watched an apocalyptic movie last night on the web where a group of powerful American rich guys got together and turned loose thousands of killer robots on the world to reduce the population substantially. Cannot remember the name of the film, but it had a Thomas Malthus plot and solution to population control with a high tech spin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    saw something very similar a while ago but can not tell you the title.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Black Swan wrote: »
    Watched an apocalyptic movie last night on the web where a group of powerful American rich guys got together and turned loose thousands of killer robots on the world to reduce the population substantially. Cannot remember the name of the film, but it had a Thomas Malthus plot and solution to population control with a high tech spin.

    Prob will happen


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Prob will happen
    Makes for fun sci fi fiction today. Who knows to what extent fiction may be somewhat predictive in regards to killer robots?


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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Makes for fun sci fi fiction today. Who knows to what extent fiction may be somewhat predictive in regards to killer robots?
    Earlier tech scifi. Jules Verne.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    The 100 Greatest Movie Robots of All Time.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Screamers is on Horror Channel at 00:40 tonight Freesat 138


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Fathom wrote: »
    Whoa, that's a link indeed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula




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    Rubecula wrote: »
    Killer robots that never sleep. Science fiction becomes reality.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Fathom wrote: »
    Killer robots that never sleep. Science fiction becomes reality.
    Killer robots don't sleep.

    Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!


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    Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!
    March of operationalization in Philosophy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Maybe Killer robots existed in the past. earth has the only life in the universe. The robots have wiped everything else out lol...


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    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Maybe Killer robots existed in the past. earth has the only life in the universe. The robots have wiped everything else out lol...
    Killer Robots 3: Earth (or a sequel with an almost infinite number)?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Maybe Killer robots existed in the past. earth has the only life in the universe. The robots have wiped everything else out lol...
    Technically speaking microbes are Von Neumann Machines.

    And cyanobacteria almost wiped out the planet by spewing out toxic corrosive gas.


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    Technically speaking microbes are Von Neumann Machines.
    Cool substance for movie apocalyptic plot.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    The telly in SoCal has themed killer robots of late.


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    Wild About Tech, China Even Loves Robot Waiters That Can’t Serve. If you don't tip your robot waiters, what happens? Do they become killer robots?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    they put stuff n your drink


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