Dublin Bus Changes to Improve City Center Journeys

punisher5112 · 23-02-2018 6:52pm

Friday evening is always the worst for traffic but the morning is a dream compared with the rest of the week.

fritzelly · 23-02-2018 7:36pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Friday evening is always the worst for traffic but the morning is a dream compared with the rest of the week.

Not this morning it wasnt (or yesterday morning). Seems the diverted bus spaces have been quickly filled by taxis

punisher5112 · 23-02-2018 8:25pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Not this morning it wasnt (or yesterday morning). Seems the diverted bus spaces have been quickly filled by taxis

Well I got into the city quicker then any other.

fritzelly · 23-02-2018 8:26pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Well I got into the city quicker then any other.

What time?
I'm talking 8.30 ish coming from the south side

magicbastarder · 26-02-2018 3:19pm

https://twitter.com/John_Kilraine/status/968124266238631936

looking for further info/confirmation now...

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 26-02-2018 3:23pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://twitter.com/John_Kilraine/status/968124266238631936

looking for further info/confirmation now...

Wahay finally. Taxis to throw a strop and go on strike any minute now.

brokenarms · 26-02-2018 3:40pm

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Wahay finally. Taxis to throw a strop and go on strike any minute now.

They will ignore the ban. I bet. Not like they are law abiding drivers as it is.

Hurrache · 26-02-2018 3:48pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://twitter.com/John_Kilraine/status/968124266238631936

looking for further info/confirmation now...

There'll be cribbin by the drivers, one of their reps already said a week or two they'll probably take action if such a move was considered.

Muahahaha · 26-02-2018 5:04pm

7am to 10am is hardly the end of the world for them? Wouldnt most taxi drivers not even be working 7-10am?

fritzelly · 26-02-2018 5:09pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://twitter.com/John_Kilraine/status/968124266238631936

looking for further info/confirmation now...

About time, now how about north bound

punisher5112 · 26-02-2018 5:13pm

Be very soon they will shut to all traffic so.

Where do they want everyone to go.
Dublin bikes there isn't enough.
The two way cycle lane is laughable.

Many many people cycling along tracks.

MJohnston · 26-02-2018 5:40pm

fritzelly wrote: »

About time, now how about north bound

I think Dame Street to northbound actually flows pretty well - the traffic that way is entirely separate from the Luas tracks, and there are fewer traffic signals to hold things up. Southbound is where the majority of the bottlenecks lie, especially as there are 2 different southbound traffic flows (College Green to Dame Street and College Green to Grafton Street) which need to be accommodated, compared to a single flow heading north.

fritzelly · 26-02-2018 5:43pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I think Dame Street to northbound actually flows pretty well - the traffic that way is entirely separate from the Luas tracks, and there are fewer traffic signals to hold things up. Southbound is where the majority of the bottlenecks lie, especially as there are 2 different southbound traffic flows (College Green to Dame Street and College Green to Grafton Street) which need to be accommodated, compared to a single flow heading north.

Not in the morning, traffic is often backed up - 2 lanes merging to one, then getting across the bridge can take 10 minutes

magicbastarder · 26-02-2018 5:46pm

In compensation for the morning time ban, taxis are to be allowed to turn left at the bottom of Dawson Street and use the Luas tracks in front of Trinity College from midnight to 6am.

they'll love that.
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/0226/943672-taxis-college-green-dublin/

monument · 26-02-2018 6:53pm

thomasj wrote: »

Depends on what happens with college green. Businesses are taking DCC to court over the plans.

It’s highly unlikely any case would be successful if ABP grants permission for the plaza.

If ABP approves the plaza, they can only appeal on a technical flaw with the process or decision — and ABP has already stretched out the process because of a relatively minor issue to make sure they get everything right.

devnull · 26-02-2018 8:52pm

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Wahay finally. Taxis to throw a strop and go on strike any minute now.

The problem is if they do that, I have no faith in the Gardai to actually start to enforce this much needed ban, and my worry will be if the taxi brigade try and defy the ban, there won't be proper enforcement.

fritzelly · 26-02-2018 8:59pm

Some of Waldron's comments are incredulous - buses should have been removed first, businessmen/women will have to pay more to get to work (ermm take the bus or luas like most people else you pay the premium)

n!ghtmancometh · 26-02-2018 9:23pm

Wonder how long DCC will hold their nerve for when the taxi's threaten a strike or go slow. They crumpled spectacularly on the public transport only Eden Quay measure at the slightest hint of trouble from vested interests last year.

dfx- · 26-02-2018 9:46pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

7am to 10am is hardly the end of the world for them? Wouldnt most taxi drivers not even be working 7-10am?

Indeed, the morning peak is what is changed..again

hotmail.com · 27-02-2018 12:41am

devnull wrote:

The problem is if they do that, I have no faith in the Gardai to actually start to enforce this much needed ban, and my worry will be if the taxi brigade try and defy the ban, there won't be proper enforcement.

No taxi driver is going to risk penalty points, fines etc for a 10 quid fare. The customer will just end up paying more.

markpb · 27-02-2018 7:54am

hotmail.com wrote: »

No taxi driver is going to risk penalty points, fines etc for a 10 quid fare. The customer will just end up paying more.

Have you met a taxi driver before? If they sense a fare on the other side of college green, they'd climb over hot coals to get there. The Guardai don't worry them too much right now, it's hard to see a new restriction being routinely adhered to or enforced.

loyatemu · 27-02-2018 12:34pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Many many people cycling along tracks.

I cycled through CG last week and cycled through the Luas stop as there was no space on the road. TBH I don't see a problem - if there's a tram stopped there, you can't cycle through. If there's no tram, any that are behind you will be stopping there anyway so they're not going to get delayed by cyclists.

cgcsb · 27-02-2018 1:04pm

And who is going to enforce the ban? is the state going to set up a police force between now and march 12th?

StreetLight · 27-02-2018 1:23pm

loyatemu wrote: »

I cycled through CG last week and cycled through the Luas stop as there was no space on the road. TBH I don't see a problem - if there's a tram stopped there, you can't cycle through. If there's no tram, any that are behind you will be stopping there anyway so they're not going to get delayed by cyclists.

Unless a cyclist ends up arse about face from cycling parallel to the tram track and catching a wheel in the groove.

loyatemu · 27-02-2018 1:27pm

StreetLight wrote: »

Unless a cyclist ends up arse about face from cycling parallel to the tram track and catching a wheel in the groove.

that can happen anywhere there are tracks.

StreetLight · 27-02-2018 1:42pm

loyatemu wrote: »

that can happen anywhere there are tracks.

But nowhere else is there a specifically constructed contraflow cycle track designed to remove the risk at that location.

punisher5112 · 27-02-2018 2:07pm

loyatemu wrote: »

I cycled through CG last week and cycled through the Luas stop as there was no space on the road. TBH I don't see a problem - if there's a tram stopped there, you can't cycle through. If there's no tram, any that are behind you will be stopping there anyway so they're not going to get delayed by cyclists.

You aren't allowed to legally cycle through there it's tram only.

If you can't see the issue then you be best taking a different route.

Traffic in the correct lane can't safely see the cyclists coming up on the left.

loyatemu · 27-02-2018 5:00pm

StreetLight wrote: »

But nowhere else is there a specifically constructed contraflow cycle track designed to remove the risk at that location.

the 2-way cycle lane is only useful if you're going to Dame St, not for Nassau St.

hotmail.com · 27-02-2018 6:23pm

That's just not true. Drivers won't break the law for the sake of a few euro. And the Gardai regularly hassle taxi drivers.

devnull · 27-02-2018 8:02pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's just not true. Drivers won't break the law for the sake of a few euro. And the Gardai regularly hassle taxi drivers.

They should stop 'hassling' drivers and instead start simply handing out penalties and punishment - the trouble is policing is so light touch here that they simply tell people not to do something again or not to do it, which is why the same offences happen over and over again on the regular basis.

The simple situation needs to be, is that if someone breaks a rule they should be handed out a penalty or a punishment for doing so, if that happened then all of the traffic offences I see every time I am in Dublin City Centre wouldn't happen anymore.

But right now the taxi drivers etc know if they break a rule that they will never ever get a fine or a real punishment because the policing is so weak and the most they'll get is a stern word and that's not what I think, that is from daily experience of commuting via the city centre at all kinds of hours for years.

fritzelly · 27-02-2018 8:29pm

Traffic this morning and evening was surprisingly light, buses were flying thru - didn't seem as many taxis, maybe they think it's already started

cython · 27-02-2018 8:36pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's just not true. Drivers won't break the law for the sake of a few euro. And the Gardai regularly hassle taxi drivers.

Whatever their reasoning, plenty of them (like every other class of drivers, to be fair) break plenty of laws (speed limits, contra-flow bus lanes, running red lights, failure to indicate, etc.) on a daily basis, so what would make this one any different?

stop · 27-02-2018 8:45pm

loyatemu wrote: »

I cycled through CG last week and cycled through the Luas stop as there was no space on the road. TBH I don't see a problem - if there's a tram stopped there, you can't cycle through. If there's no tram, any that are behind you will be stopping there anyway so they're not going to get delayed by cyclists.

Its a problem for traffic in the traffic lane that is not expecting traffic from the Luas stop at a choke point.

hotmail.com · 28-02-2018 9:20pm

cython wrote:

Whatever their reasoning, plenty of them (like every other class of drivers, to be fair) break plenty of laws (speed limits, contra-flow bus lanes, running red lights, failure to indicate, etc.) on a daily basis, so what would make this one any different?

This is just not my experience. Most taxi drivers take great care on the road and are keen not to rank up penalty points as it affects their insurance and potentially their livelihood.

As for taxi drivers pulling over to drop off or collect passengers, that's a different issue. This seems to annoy some other drivers, But taxi drivers won't break the law for a few euro.

punisher5112 · 28-02-2018 9:28pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is just not my experience. Most taxi drivers take great care on the road and are keen not to rank up penalty points as it affects their insurance and potentially their livelihood.

As for taxi drivers pulling over to drop off or collect passengers, that's a different issue. This seems to annoy some other drivers, But taxi drivers won't break the law for a few euro.

What taxis have you seen as that is the funniest story I've ever read.

magicbastarder · 28-02-2018 9:35pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Most taxi drivers take great care on the road and are keen not to rank up penalty points as it affects their insurance and potentially their livelihood.

don't forget, 'most' can mean 50.01%.

cython · 28-02-2018 10:33pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is just not my experience. Most taxi drivers take great care on the road and are keen not to rank up penalty points as it affects their insurance and potentially their livelihood.

As for taxi drivers pulling over to drop off or collect passengers, that's a different issue. This seems to annoy some other drivers, But taxi drivers won't break the law for a few euro.

If you can claim in honesty not to have seen any of the offences that I have outlined as examples committed by a significant portion of taxi drivers, then either you view the world with blinkers, or your own observation is compromised to the extent that I can only hope you don't drive. Or perhaps you live somewhere that taxis don't really operate. Either way, taxi drivers are no angels, and certainly no more likely in my experience to heed road traffic laws than any other driver.

fritzelly · 28-02-2018 10:43pm

When it comes to picking up an opportunistic fare every taxi man will take on even a bus to be the first there and to hell with blocking the road.

Ben D Bus · 01-03-2018 2:15pm

fritzelly wrote: »

When it comes to picking up an opportunistic fare every taxi man will take on even a bus to be the first there and to hell with blocking the road.

Blocking bus stops is my number one gripe with taxi drivers.
That, and the illegal left turn onto Parliament from Wellington Quay.

punisher5112 · 01-03-2018 2:47pm

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Blocking bus stops is my number one gripe with taxi drivers.
That, and the illegal left turn onto Parliament from Wellington Quay.

No enforcement whatsoever.

I've seen cars parked on Saturday and Sunday all day in bus stops throughout the city and not a ticket or clamp ever given.

n!ghtmancometh · 01-03-2018 4:32pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

No enforcement whatsoever.

I've seen cars parked on Saturday and Sunday all day in bus stops throughout the city and not a ticket or clamp ever given.

Stop opposite Heuston Station in the evenings is ridiculous for this. Has all the 25 routes, 79's, Bus Eireann and private coaches as well as the westbound Xpresso routes and taxis often stopped waiting for and dropping off passengers while those waiting for busses have to step out onto the road to board, or even to just hail a bus to stop.

Surely if the guards had a motorbike or two circulating the city centre at peak times and at weekends enforcing taxis's they'd pay for themselves in a week or two in fines.

punisher5112 · 01-03-2018 4:35pm

n!ghtmancometh wrote: »

Stop opposite Heuston Station in the evenings is ridiculous for this. Has all the 25 routes, 79's, Bus Eireann and private coaches as well as the westbound Xpresso routes and taxis often stopped waiting for and dropping off passengers while those waiting for busses have to step out onto the road to board, or even to just hail a bus to stop.

Surely if the guards had a motorbike or two circulating the city centre at peak times and at weekends enforcing taxis's they'd pay for themselves in a week or two in fines.

They sure would.

Just seems nobody wants it done.

If I were waiting there for the bus I would have no problems telling them to move like all others should and use their bonnet to help get onto the bus.

MJohnston · 01-03-2018 4:49pm

A good example of the sort of considerate driving that Dublin's taxi drivers are capable of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REVWtV7yh_w

Phil.x · 08-03-2018 6:21pm

Bus journey very slow on Tara street this week.

thomasj · 08-03-2018 6:27pm

Phil.x wrote:

Bus journey very slow on Tara street this week.

The quays have been a disaster in the morning all week as well

hmmm · 08-03-2018 9:25pm

thomasj wrote: »

The quays have been a disaster in the morning all week as well

North Quays in the morning are stopped. Just useless, people are having to get off half-way down the quays in an attempt to get to work on time.

Green line LUAS continues to be a disaster zone.

Cross city LUAS runs through the city centre with what looks like half empty carriages, while all other form of transport suffers for this vanity project.

Meanwhile the Minister is nowhere to be seen, and the various three letter agencies are doing nothing. The commuters of Dublin have been left down so badly by our various public sector bodies and their political masters.

punisher5112 · 08-03-2018 9:28pm

Yellow box junction at new bridge is been blocked at every change of lights.

There was a traffic cop on motorbike sitting on the Luas bridge but the north side and completely ignored all the turns buses and coaches couldn't make it off the bridge.

Dolier at is a mess.

The Luas has really taken over and I honestly only see it getting worse unless drastic measures are brought in.

thomasj · 08-03-2018 9:31pm

hmmm wrote:

North Quays in the morning are stopped. Just useless, people are having to get off half-way down the quays in an attempt to get to work on time.

Yep that's me , I get off 2 stops earlier otherwise not a chance of me getting in on time . Four courts-ormond quay is a huge mess especially .

hmmm · 08-03-2018 9:46pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

The Luas has really taken over and I honestly only see it getting worse unless drastic measures are brought in.

When the Minister gave his recent comments in the Dail, all he talked about was LUAS. No-one gives a damn about bus, cyclists or even pedestrians, it's all LUAS.

thomasj · 08-03-2018 10:03pm

Got the 39a tonight at 8.30 and 2 of them are due (1 must be dead late) the full one pulls in and people start getting on.

The empty one goes to overtake it but I put my hand out for it , and as it goes to pull in so does a taxi. Anyway nowhere for the bus to pull in so he drives on

And here was my view of the journey home on the full 39a.......

Dublin Bus Changes to Improve City Center Journeys

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