Which Camera? Please read OP first

JohnBoy26 · 25-07-2018 2:37am

Deleted User wrote: »

Thinking about buying as Canon 450D as entry level. Anyone have any experience with it?

As entry level cameras go nikon does things better. Unless you have a collection of lenses for a canon dslr then id get a nikon instead.

JohnBoy26 · 25-07-2018 2:52am

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Just wondering what the 5xxx offers over the 3xxx other than a tilty swivelly screen? Do the corresponding releases use the same sensor?

The main difference between the two is that d5300/5500
Has better auto focus than the d3300/3400. The d3300/3400 has only 11 autofocus points whereas the d5300/d5500 has 39.

If you step up to the d7100/d7200 they gain important features that are missing on the lower end models inculding a much better 51 point autofucus system operational down to -3 ev(will still focus in very low light)
and autofocus finetune, a really essential feature that should also be on the lower models because some lenses will have focus issues and this gives the ability to correct this.

They also have a top screen, weather sealing(provided the lens is also weather sealed) a better stronger body etc.

OldGoat · 25-07-2018 8:44am

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

As entry level cameras go nikon does things better. Unless you have a collection of lenses for a canon dslr then id get a nikon instead.

/Yawns

Bluefoam · 25-07-2018 11:07am

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

As entry level cameras go nikon does things better. Unless you have a collection of lenses for a canon dslr then id get a nikon instead.

Nikon just cancelled their entire line of entry level mirrorless cameras... Many disgruntled & unhappy customers who spent allot of money to buy into the system.

GBX · 25-07-2018 11:19am

Bluefoam wrote: »

Nikon just cancelled their entire line of entry level mirrorless cameras... Many disgruntled & unhappy customers who spent allot of money to buy into the system.

Would this range have been in the entry level DSLR price range?

cnocbui · 25-07-2018 11:43am

Bluefoam wrote: »

Nikon just cancelled their entire line of entry level mirrorless cameras... Many disgruntled & unhappy customers who spent allot of money to buy into the system.

The brand blindness in this country to anything other than Nikon and Canon is profound. This blindness would be the only reason I can fathom why anyone would have bought into the Nikon mirrorless sytem instead of the Olympus/Panasonic micro four thirds mirrorless system with it's vastly more mature ecosystem, particularly in the range and number of available lenses.

JohnBoy26 · 25-07-2018 2:22pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

Nikon just cancelled their entire line of entry level mirrorless cameras... Many disgruntled & unhappy customers who spent allot of money to buy into the system.

Never liked their mirrorless systems tbh. As the poster above has said, panasonic and olympus have better systems and a much better and broader range of lenses.

Nikons entry level dslrs are decent though and offer great image quality for a small price.

wonski · 25-07-2018 2:34pm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Never liked their mirrorless systems tbh. As the poster above has said, panasonic and olympus have better systems and a much better and broader range of lenses.

Nikons entry level dslrs are decent though and offer great image quality for a small price.

While Nikon entry level cameras are great, used d40x for years before giving it away, lens selection is more expensive unfortunately.

Going slr route comes with a price, and one needs to check all prices before going into one system.

I hate Nikon vs Canon debates. Its all down to cost of what you need. Other than that great pictures can be taken with both. If you have no basic understanding of photography you will see no difference at all.

Bluefoam · 25-07-2018 3:10pm

wonski wrote: »

While Nikon entry level cameras are great, used d40x for years before giving it away, lens selection is more expensive unfortunately.

Going slr route comes with a price, and one needs to check all prices before going into one system.

I hate Nikon vs Canon debates. Its all down to cost of what you need. Other than that great pictures can be taken with both. If you have no basic understanding of photography you will see no difference at all.

It would be difficult to advise a beginner/new camera user to go DSLR unless they intended to become a professional photographer, sports shooter or other specific. Mirrorless is on the rise and unless you have legacy glass it would be a bold move to invest in DSLR. DSLR will not go away, nor will its development stop or it's high end use be stifled, however mirrorless is entering a stage of heavy development & would be the natural choice for a beginner/new user... someone who intends to build up their own equipment from scratch.

We are going to see new FF Mirrorless from Nikon & Canon this year, while it is likely (Canon at least) will be able to use legacy lenses, it would still be better to go Mirrorless.

25-07-2018 4:08pm

wonski wrote: »

While Nikon entry level cameras are great, used d40x for years before giving it away, lens selection is more expensive unfortunately.

Going slr route comes with a price, and one needs to check all prices before going into one system.

I hate Nikon vs Canon debates. Its all down to cost of what you need. Other than that great pictures can be taken with both. If you have no basic understanding of photography you will see no difference at all.

Music to my ears

wonski · 25-07-2018 4:36pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

It would be difficult to advise a beginner/new camera user to go DSLR unless they intended to become a professional photographer, sports shooter or other specific. Mirrorless is on the rise and unless you have legacy glass it would be a bold move to invest in DSLR. DSLR will not go away, nor will its development stop or it's high end use be stifled, however mirrorless is entering a stage of heavy development & would be the natural choice for a beginner/new user... someone who intends to build up their own equipment from scratch.

We are going to see new FF Mirrorless from Nikon & Canon this year, while it is likely (Canon at least) will be able to use legacy lenses, it would still be better to go Mirrorless.

While I agree with the concept, I doubt mirror makes a difference tbh. There are people who just need point and shoot cameras. If they have any idea of how to compose the picture, they will do just fine.

Most people have no clue, nothing wrong with that, they have different hobbies. You can't expect everyone to know what aperture or 1/60 is.

Heiser · 26-07-2018 12:44am

Hi, looking for a bit of advice. Trying to buy my girlfriend a decent dslr as a present. She currently uses an ancient Nikon D50.

Ive done some research and I think the Nikon d3400 looks good, I can get one without a lens for 330ish online. Around 400 with an af-p 18-55 f3 5-5.6 VR lens. Question is, should I or do I need to get the lens? Looking at the lens on her current camera it's an AF-S 18-70 DX. Is it worth getting the other lens?

Also, opinions in a d3400? I'm not into photography and haven't a clue, but this camera looks decent from my limited knowledge.

Any advice would be appreciated.

wonski · 26-07-2018 12:46am

If she already have a lens then just get camera only. What's your budget?

Heiser · 26-07-2018 12:48am

wonski wrote: »

If she already have a lens then just get camera only. What's your budget?

Around 350ish. She has a Nikon lens and likes nikon so was hoping to stick with them

wonski · 26-07-2018 1:30am

Heiser wrote: »

Around 350ish. She has a Nikon lens and likes nikon so was hoping to stick with them

If you can top it up a little to get 5xxx rather than 3xxx it could serve her for another few years and will be an improvement.

You can get one from those grey import places for around 400 I think. Worth every penny compared to 3xxx.

Edit : please make sure her lens has built in motor for focusing.

Heiser · 26-07-2018 10:36am

wonski wrote: »

If you can top it up a little to get 5xxx rather than 3xxx it could serve her for another few years and will be an improvement.

You can get one from those grey import places for around 400 I think. Worth every penny compared to 3xxx.

Edit : please make sure her lens has built in motor for focusing.

Cheers thanks for the reply. Will look and see what I can get in the 5xxx range.

Her current lens has m/a m on the side with a little switch- I presume that means it has a built in motor?

will56 · 26-07-2018 11:17am

Heiser wrote: »

Cheers thanks for the reply. Will look and see what I can get in the 5xxx range.

Her current lens has m/a m on the side with a little switch- I presume that means it has a built in motor?

Thats the auto-focus,
Need to look for AF/AF-S

Heiser · 26-07-2018 11:50am

will56 wrote: »

Thats the auto-focus,
Need to look for AF/AF-S

Yep it has AF-S, so it has a motor from what I see on Google. So no need for me to buy another lens. Can spend all the money trying to get the best camera.
Cheers for all the help.

Ben D Bus · 26-07-2018 1:15pm

The 18-70 is a fine lens too!

Neames · 07-08-2018 2:19pm

Hi,

My daughter (10) has taken an interest in photography and recording videos.

Obviously while I'd like to nurture this interest I don't want to break the bank by buying a very expensive SLR or compact system camera.

So, can someone recommend a good "beginner" camera that would be suitable for her to start this hobby?

A budget of €150 (but could stretch if there was something with serious value going for a bit more)

Neames

Bluefoam · 07-08-2018 2:36pm

Neames wrote: »

Hi,

My daughter (10) has taken an interest in photography and recording videos.

Obviously while I'd like to nurture this interest I don't want to break the bank by buying a very expensive SLR or compact system camera.

So, can someone recommend a good "beginner" camera that would be suitable for her to start this hobby?

A budget of €150 (but could stretch if there was something with serious value going for a bit more)

Neames

My response might be divisive... but if she's going to take it up and dedicate some time to it, then I'd advise a system camera... Having control over the functions of the camera allows for more creativity, as does the ability to buy new lenses and swap them out to allow different functions... It also allows you to upgrade your camera body when the time comes and keep your lenses from the old camera (if you buy within the same system), so the camera and system can grow with your daughters experience...

There are many types and brands:
Sony: Expensive, but great for 4k video
Fuji: Expensive, but fantastic for photography
Micro 4/3's: Accessible, lacks stabilization, but well regarded
Canon: Less expensive, simple, great photos...

I'd suggest the Canon M100 in this case. It's simple enough not to be intimidating to use, small form factor, allows your photographer to grow and upgrade as needed.

dinneenp · 07-08-2018 3:28pm

Neames wrote: »

Hi,

My daughter (10) has taken an interest in photography and recording videos.

Obviously while I'd like to nurture this interest I don't want to break the bank by buying a very expensive SLR or compact system camera.

So, can someone recommend a good "beginner" camera that would be suitable for her to start this hobby?

A budget of €150 (but could stretch if there was something with serious value going for a bit more)

Neames

I'd highly recommend a bridge camera- a jack of all trades- massive zoom (which a kid should love), macro capability (or very close to). No need to change lenses, has a viewfinder (even if not as good as a DSLR), not heavy.

A 10 year old doesn't want to get arms tired, have to change lens to take a different type of photo

I'd go second hand but you might prefer to buy new.
Have a look here for a good 'round-up' article.

cnocbui · 07-08-2018 4:09pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

My response might be divisive... but if she's going to take it up and dedicate some time to it, then I'd advise a system camera... Having control over the functions of the camera allows for more creativity, as does the ability to buy new lenses and swap them out to allow different functions... It also allows you to upgrade your camera body when the time comes and keep your lenses from the old camera (if you buy within the same system), so the camera and system can grow with your daughters experience...

There are many types and brands:
Sony: Expensive, but great for 4k video
Fuji: Expensive, but fantastic for photography
Micro 4/3's: Accessible, lacks stabilization, but well regarded
Canon: Less expensive, simple, great photos...

I'd suggest the Canon M100 in this case. It's simple enough not to be intimidating to use, small form factor, allows your photographer to grow and upgrade as needed.

Olympus m4/3 have better stabilisation than any other camera brand.

In answer to the OP, a used Olympus E-M5 can be had on ebay very cheaply and I think would more than serve the needs of your daughter. Small and light with advanced capabilities. An E-M10 II would also be a good option.

JohnBoy26 · 07-08-2018 6:36pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

My response might be divisive... but if she's going to take it up and dedicate some time to it, then I'd advise a system camera... Having control over the functions of the camera allows for more creativity, as does the ability to buy new lenses and swap them out to allow different functions... It also allows you to upgrade your camera body when the time comes and keep your lenses from the old camera (if you buy within the same system), so the camera and system can grow with your daughters experience...

There are many types and brands:
Sony: Expensive, but great for 4k video
Fuji: Expensive, but fantastic for photography
Micro 4/3's: Accessible, lacks stabilization, but well regarded
Canon: Less expensive, simple, great photos...

I'd suggest the Canon M100 in this case. It's simple enough not to be intimidating to use, small form factor, allows your photographer to grow and upgrade as needed.

As cnocbui says the stabilization is excellent on olympus micro 4/3 compact systems and it's also very good on the Panasonic's nowadays also. The panasonics are also great for 4k video and video in general.

These systems also have very good autofocus and very good features whilst also having a compact form factor and the option to use a wide range of compact lenses with the most of them being excellent optically.

The canon compact cameras don't come close to the micro 4/3 offerings. The autofocus isn't near as good. The lens options are limited and larger than anything from a micro 4/3 and if you want to expand your lens options you have to buy an adapter and use aps-c size lenses which defeats the purpose of having a compact system.

The image quality isn't any better on the canon system either.

fuji is great for portraits and street photography but poor for landscapes and sports. Fuji Lenses are great in general but expensive and suffer from the same issue as other aps-c based compact systems in that they are not really compact.

bluestripe93 · 13-08-2018 2:05pm

Hi, I was thinking of getting a DSLR for travel photos (instead of phone pictures) specifically the Nikon D330 with the 18-55mm VR II Lens Kit.

How much of an difference would there be in photo quality between the D3300 and a OnePlus 5 camera? Or would the main difference be in the options of apeture and other settings?

And how much should I expect to pay for a used D3300 with the 18-55mm VR II Lens Kit?

dory · 20-08-2018 10:28pm

bluestripe93 wrote: »

How much of an difference would there be in photo quality between the D3300 and a OnePlus 5 camera?

That's an extremely specific question! Not sure how many people would have used that exact phone and camera. I have an iPhone and a Sony mirrorless camera and there is just no comparison whatsoever. All my instagram photos from the last year have been from my camera, the ones I take on my phone look awful in comparison.

In terms of travel photography, the main thing you need is wireless. I can take pics on my camera on a bus in Thailand, and it emits its own signal to send the pics to my phone so I can upload them as I travel. Way easier than waiting til I get home or looking for an internet cafe. Second thing you need is a handy size and I'm not sure that it is.

Also, having a screen that you can tilt can mean you can take a photos from your hip/stomach area which is often useful.

I did a comparison of that camera against the Sony A5000 (cheapest sony) and the Sony seems to beat it. Nikon are bringing out a mirrorless camera soon. Way easier to travel with! https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=sony_a6000&products=sony_a5000&products=nikon_d3300&sortDir=ascending

bluestripe93 · 20-08-2018 10:51pm

dory wrote: »

That's an extremely specific question! Not sure how many people would have used that exact phone and camera. I have an iPhone and a Sony mirrorless camera and there is just no comparison whatsoever. All my instagram photos from the last year have been from my camera, the ones I take on my phone look awful in comparison.

In terms of travel photography, the main thing you need is wireless. I can take pics on my camera on a bus in Thailand, and it emits its own signal to send the pics to my phone so I can upload them as I travel. Way easier than waiting til I get home or looking for an internet cafe. Second thing you need is a handy size and I'm not sure that it is.

Also, having a screen that you can tilt can mean you can take a photos from your hip/stomach area which is often useful.

I did a comparison of that camera against the Sony A5000 (cheapest sony) and the Sony seems to beat it. Nikon are bringing out a mirrorless camera soon. Way easier to travel with! https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=sony_a6000&products=sony_a5000&products=nikon_d3300&sortDir=ascending

Thanks for your reply!
I went ahead and bought a Nikon D3400 with the 18-55mm VR II Lens Kit a few days ago! It's awesome:D
And it's got the Bluetooth Snapbridge feature for file transfers which should be useful!

dory · 21-08-2018 2:07am

bluestripe93 wrote: »

Thanks for your reply!
I went ahead and bought a Nikon D3400 with the 18-55mm VR II Lens Kit a few days ago! It's awesome:D
And it's got the Bluetooth Snapbridge feature for file transfers which should be useful!

Very good. Enjoy! I saw online that the WiFi feature was optional. Was wondering how that worked. It's great to be able to transfer images on the road.

Damien360 · 22-08-2018 7:03pm

dory wrote: »

bluestripe93 wrote: »

Thanks for your reply!
I went ahead and bought a Nikon D3400 with the 18-55mm VR II Lens Kit a few days ago! It's awesome:D
And it's got the Bluetooth Snapbridge feature for file transfers which should be useful!

Very good. Enjoy! I saw online that the WiFi feature was optional. Was wondering how that worked. It's great to be able to transfer images on the road.

We have that very model. The transfer is the jpeg only. But it is very intermittent. We have tried on iOS and Android. It works for first connection and after that never again. Remaking the connection from the start sometimes gets it going but more often than not it doesn't work.

GBX · 13-09-2018 4:45pm

This popped up on Facebook / Instagram earlier. Has anybody used or any feedback. More out of curiosity than anything ....

https://enhanced-earth.com/products/zentilt-1

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Alanstrainor · 13-09-2018 4:48pm

This looks to be the same:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Professional-Camera-Flex-Tripod-Z-Pan-Tilt-Aluminum-Folding-Z-Tripod-BRACKET-Head-Solution-Photography-Studio/32820156022.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.2.422548bf8SwATb&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_10130_10547_10059_10548_10696_100031_10192_10190_10084_10083_10103_451_10618_452_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303,searchweb201603_45,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=e2f397a2-b264-45e4-9d36-91fa90d82acc-0&algo_pvid=e2f397a2-b264-45e4-9d36-91fa90d82acc&priceBeautifyAB=0

At half the price... I would have my doubts about how good or useful it is. But at least the second option saves you some cash.

cnocbui · 13-09-2018 6:41pm

I prefer a bit more flexibility...

iwillhtfu · 14-09-2018 4:05pm

Typically those camera brackets on aliexpress are just about able to hold the weight of a gopro never mind a dslr

awec · 14-09-2018 4:44pm

Looks pretty flimsy.

BamesJond · 16-09-2018 1:15am

Hi everyone,

It's my first time posting here so apologies if any of this is basic!

I'm planning on doing some traveling early next year. I'd like to get a decent camera sorted before this as I have limited experience and would like the time to build my experience and get used to the camera.
I'm thinking a bridge camera would included most things I'd need for my travels, but I'm hoping the vast experience that I see on here can give me some recommendations on a decent set up.

I've had a look online, I see numerous cameras on Amazon and Argos that seem to be ideal, but I'm wondering if say something like the below link is worth it it is I should be looking in another direction.

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/7360468/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CPhotography%7C14419436/c_2/3%7C50000477%7CCameras%7C50000490/c_3/4%7Ccat_50000490%7CBridge%2Bdigital%2Bcameras%7C50000491.htm

I'm open to all suggestions to be honest within my budget (max €400-ideally lower).

Any help on this would be appreciated!

cnocbui · 16-09-2018 1:48pm

I would recommend an Olympus E-M5, the original, not Mk II, as that would be too expensive, plus an Olympus 12-50mm 3.5-6.3 EZ Lens. Get both SH from ebay or classifieds for possibly half your budget.

That combination is very compact and very weather resistant.

Your budget is insufficient to get a decent camera new that is better than a modern phone.

wonski · 16-09-2018 3:42pm

awec wrote: »

Looks pretty flimsy.

And it is:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DB2ZFOzS-a8

uluwatu · 19-09-2018 2:40pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I would recommend an Olympus E-M5, the original, not Mk II, as that would be too expensive, plus an Olympus 12-50mm 3.5-6.3 EZ Lens. Get both SH from ebay or classifieds for possibly half your budget.

That combination is very compact and very weather resistant.

Your budget is insufficient to get a decent camera new that is better than a modern phone.

I am using the Olymus E-M5... not having any trouble and very satisfied!

will56 · 15-11-2018 9:40am

Can I ask for some help with lenses in this thread ?

I have a D5500
Lens wise I have
35mm 1.8
50mm 1.8
55-200mm 3.5 - 5.6
18-70mm 3.5 - 4.5

I love the two prime lenses but I need something for a good walking around lens

I'm now looking at the 18-140mm 3.5-5.6 from Nikon and the Sigma 17-50mm 2.8f

The sigma gets better reviews for sharpness and it has the 2.8 aperature but the 18-140mm will cover a better range ?

Should I get the sigma and carry the 55-200mm with me for when I want the longer range ?

If I'm out and about its usually with my wife and DD so its portraits with some landscape

Bacchus · 15-11-2018 10:30am

will56 wrote: »

Can I ask for some help with lenses in this thread ?

I have a D5500
Lens wise I have
35mm 1.8
50mm 1.8
55-200mm 3.5 - 5.6
18-70mm 3.5 - 4.5

I love the two prime lenses but I need something for a good walking around lens

I'm now looking at the 18-140mm 3.5-5.6 from Nikon and the Sigma 17-50mm 2.8f

The sigma gets better reviews for sharpness and it has the 2.8 aperature but the 18-140mm will cover a better range ?

Should I get the sigma and carry the 55-200mm with me for when I want the longer range ?

If I'm out and about its usually with my wife and DD so its portraits with some landscape

I can't really comment with much insight on which are the sharpest/fastest/best autofocus etc. but looking at what you have and having shot with Nikon for many years I will offer this advice...

The Sigma 17-50 looks decent but still a mid-range zoom. The consistent 2.8 aperture is an improvement over what you have with the 18-70, and from reviews it sounds like this is a step up in build quality over the 18-70. Also, unless you're planning to sell the 18-70mm to help fund the Sigma, you're just doubling up on focal ranges. Swapping the Nikon zoom out for the Sigma seems like an easy choice that shouldn't cost much (could you actually make some money on that exchange?).

Personally, what I look for in a "walking around lens" is a versatile focal length on a body/lens that won't weigh me down. For me, that's a wide-ish prime lens such as the Sigma 24mm f1.8. You've stated you like the primes you have and everything you like about those you'll like about this, but I find anything around the low 20's (closest I have is the Fuji 23mm) is a fantastic focal length for a variety of subjects.

If zoom is what you want though, then I'd be more inclined to stick with one zoom to cover the range you're interested in, instead of carrying two big zoom lens and having to switch them over and back. The Nikon 18-140mm looks a solid lens at a good price for that. Again, I'd consider selling one or both of the other zooms to help fund the new zoom. No point doubling up on the focal lengths. Another option would be the Sigma 18-300mm. You cover much more at the long end of the zoom (which you might like) and the price is still competitive.

will56 · 15-11-2018 11:11am

Bacchus wrote: »

I can't really comment with much insight on which are the sharpest/fastest/best autofocus etc. but looking at what you have and having shot with Nikon for many years I will offer this advice...

The Sigma 17-50 looks decent but still a mid-range zoom. The consistent 2.8 aperture is an improvement over what you have with the 18-70, and from reviews it sounds like this is a step up in build quality over the 18-70. Also, unless you're planning to sell the 18-70mm to help fund the Sigma, you're just doubling up on focal ranges. Swapping the Nikon zoom out for the Sigma seems like an easy choice that shouldn't cost much (could you actually make some money on that exchange?).

Personally, what I look for in a "walking around lens" is a versatile focal length on a body/lens that won't weigh me down. For me, that's a wide-ish prime lens such as the Sigma 24mm f1.8. You've stated you like the primes you have and everything you like about those you'll like about this, but I find anything around the low 20's (closest I have is the Fuji 23mm) is a fantastic focal length for a variety of subjects.

If zoom is what you want though, then I'd be more inclined to stick with one zoom to cover the range you're interested in, instead of carrying two big zoom lens and having to switch them over and back. The Nikon 18-140mm looks a solid lens at a good price for that. Again, I'd consider selling one or both of the other zooms to help fund the new zoom. No point doubling up on the focal lengths. Another option would be the Sigma 18-300mm. You cover much more at the long end of the zoom (which you might like) and the price is still competitive.

Wow thanks for the detailed reply.

I had planned to sell the 18-70 if I bought and liked the Sigma to avoid building a collection of lenses that sit round gathering dust.
Same if I got the 18-140mm

Its hard to decide what I want to have on the body to cover whatever random situation I end up taking photos in

Firblog · 23-11-2018 11:04pm

Hi folks,

Have come across these two black Friday offers, a Nikon and a Canon appreciate your views as to the 'better' camera - want to use it as a beginner, dipping my toes in photography - or just taking a better quality photo than my phone allows

GBX · 23-11-2018 11:10pm

Firblog wrote: »

Hi folks,

Have come across these two black Friday offers, a Nikon and a Canon appreciate your views as to the 'better' camera - want to use it as a beginner, dipping my toes in photography - or just taking a better quality photo than my phone allows

Both good entry level cameras. Have a look at this comparison. No video mode with the canon.
At entry level there is not huge differences. Id go with the Nikon if it were me. Some people prefer Canon. But there wrong

just kidding

https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-4000D-versus-Nikon-D3400___1234_1105

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-4000D-vs-Nikon-D3500

ED E · 25-11-2018 3:23pm

Wait, they stripped the video from it? Stingy buggers, basically same hardware as the "bigger" brother. Wonder can ML re-enable that.

14-01-2019 4:34pm

Could anyone recommend a camera bag? I'm about to buy the cheapest one off argos. How bad could it possibly be?

https://www.argos.ie/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10152&catalogId=14551&langId=111&searchTerms=CAMERA+BACKPACK&authToken=

bren2002 · 14-01-2019 8:29pm

That's far from bad. Check out amazon basics camera bags

14-01-2019 8:32pm

bren2002 wrote: »

That's far from bad. Check out amazon basics camera bags

Ended up going for this one

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01MCRTITT/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item

will56 · 14-01-2019 9:08pm

Firblog wrote: »

Hi folks,

Have come across these two black Friday offers, a Nikon and a Canon appreciate your views as to the 'better' camera - want to use it as a beginner, dipping my toes in photography - or just taking a better quality photo than my phone allows

I had the Nikon, great camera, got me hooked on shotting with a DSLR
Get a 50mm 1.8 with it and your set

DARK-KNIGHT · 24-03-2019 10:06am

Hi folks

Looking for advice on a good camera to buy

Im currently looking at photography courses and am looking to buy a camera new or used but i don't want to buy a camera i will want to upgrade fairly quickly

So what is out there value for money wise and what camera would be best to have for a couple of years at least?

Im not too sure on budget just hoping to pick up a great camera at a good price

Sheeps · 24-03-2019 7:15pm

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Hi folks

Looking for advice on a good camera to buy

Im currently looking at photography courses and am looking to buy a camera new or used but i don't want to buy a camera i will want to upgrade fairly quickly

So what is out there value for money wise and what camera would be best to have for a couple of years at least?

Im not too sure on budget just hoping to pick up a great camera at a good price

Define good price. What's your budget?

Which Camera? **Please read OP first**

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