Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

The high horse brigade · 30-05-2019 7:49pm

nuac wrote: »

Great national interest in this issue. It relates to the increasing cost of insurance, FG unlikely to succeed in brushing it under the carpet

Please don't quote the troll, I have him on ignore because everything he posts is a troll

30-05-2019 7:51pm

https://www.lawsociety.ie/Public/disciplinarysearch/

This is where you can check if the solicitor is under sanction.

gormdubhgorm · 30-05-2019 7:57pm

seamus wrote: »

Depends on the services provided. Solicitors helping you buy a house for example are required to verify your identity under money laundering legislation.

One of the problems here is that solicitors are in effect self-regulating via the law society.

And one of the most frustrating aspects of this is that when a representative of the LS is interviewed about bogus claims and unwinnable cases, they will claim that solicitors to a fault, never bring cases to court that are clearly fraudulent, are never involved in legal scams, and never bring a case that they think they can't win.

So as long as the law society continues to pretend that there's nothing wrong and that solicitors are infallible professionals who perform their role impeccably, dodgy solicitors will continue taking the piss.

Agreed they are one of the last 'closed shops' that need regulation - they are literally a law unto themselves.

odyssey06 · 30-05-2019 7:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.lawsociety.ie/Public/disciplinarysearch/

This is where you can check if the solicitor is under sanction.

Excellent. That's the exact kind of solicitor I need for the kind of case I have in mind... Now I just need to find a badly placed swing.

jon1981 · 30-05-2019 8:03pm

Edgware wrote: »

Bailey is being abandoned by the FG sisterhood fairly quickly. They have eyes on her handy chairperson job with an extra 9000 a year job.

You can extra money for these chair positions?! Is it not just a job assignment? Ffs...

nuac · 30-05-2019 8:04pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

You might be giddy, but the image in your mind is a fiction. And this is the problem here with fact and fabrication being freely mixed - she was NOT drunk. She had one glass of wine earlier, and had not drunk anything in The Dean. But dont let that get in the way of a good laugh if you dont care about being fair.

TROL
You seem to be very definite about this. Were you there?

cj maxx · 30-05-2019 8:09pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Excellent. That's the exact kind of solicitor I need for the kind of case I have in mind... Now I just need to find a badly placed swing.

Just marking that link

30-05-2019 8:10pm

https://www.lawsociety.ie/Public/disciplinarysearch/

The practice has since moved to Molesworth Street.

30-05-2019 8:13pm

Patrick J Madigan (Senior), sanctioned.

salmocab · 30-05-2019 8:17pm

nuac wrote: »

All that is for the little people. D4s are different

She’s not from D4 and doesn’t represent D4. The incident didn’t happen in D4, she doesn’t work in D4.

nuac · 30-05-2019 8:18pm

everlast75 wrote: »

Pleadings can be changed, mistakes can be made. Not enough to throw her out.

What else?

"Mistakes" in sworn affidavits? Ask Willie O'Dea

Wheeliebin30 · 30-05-2019 8:19pm

pablo128 wrote: »

Does anyone else think she sounded half cut during the radio show?

Sounded like a wind up and a prank to me or even a plant.

nuac · 30-05-2019 8:20pm

salmocab wrote: »

She’s not from D4 and doesn’t represent D4. The incident didn’t happen in D4, she doesn’t work in D4.

D4 is a state of mind

odyssey06 · 30-05-2019 8:24pm

salmocab wrote: »

She’s not from D4 and doesn’t represent D4. The incident didn’t happen in D4, she doesn’t work in D4.

I think, taking the lead from John Waters, perhaps means D4 as a state of mind not an actual postcode.

From "Jiving at the Crossroads":
These were the equivalent of what in London were known as the “chattering classes”: people who, through their jobs in the media, the civil service and the professions were in a position to influence the direction of society in an intravenous manner, and who were not shy about giving vent to their opinions at every available opportunity.’ (p.107-08). ‘“Dublin 4” was an attitude of mind, an attitude that had become impatient with the reality of life in modern Ireland. There was those who held that the term defined a class of people who regarded themselves as the social and intellectual élite of modern Ireland, but who ideally would have liked to have been born somewhere else. [.../]

Oxter · 30-05-2019 8:25pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Sounded like a wind up and a prank to me or even a plant.

Surprised she remembers anything.

She had a bottle of beer in one hand and was reaching for a friends wine bottle with the other hand when she "fell".

odyssey06 · 30-05-2019 8:32pm

Oxter wrote: »

Surprised she remembers anything. She had a bottle of beer in one hand and was reaching for a friends wine bottle with the other hand when she "fell".

We need to see the video footage of the incident in 8mm camera.
IF we slow it down, just so, we can see one frame where a man, matching the height and build of Alan Shatter, is pushing her off the swing.
This is all a setup.

Oxter · 30-05-2019 8:39pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

We need to see the video footage of the incident in 8mm camera.
IF we slow it down, just so, we can see one frame where a man, matching the height and build of Alan Shatter, is pushing her off the swing.
This is all a setup.

Its like a poor quality Drink Aware advert.

30-05-2019 8:49pm

mikeymouse wrote: »

You conjured up all that based on the name of the website?

I did a quick google. and was inclined to agree with the statement of a HIgh Court Judge, who noted that the internet is "an easy, inexpensive and instant means of "allowing unscrupulous persons or ill-motivated malcontents to vent their anger and grievances against people, where their allegations are patently untrue and unreasonable"

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 30-05-2019 8:57pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Never heard of it. Even the name sounds like a magnet for cranks whose claims were never really going to progress.

Real Gemma O Doherty fanbase, I bet. Full of hyperbole and self-victimisation.

No more a magnet for cranks than a trip advisor review I would think.

Alrigghtythen · 30-05-2019 9:00pm

Oxter wrote: »

Surprised she remembers anything.

She had a bottle of beer in one hand and was reaching for a friends wine bottle with the other hand when she "fell".

SOR: Ok, one bottle of beer in one hand ...

MB: I had my beer in my hand, and then I was reaching for my friend’s, I had a bottle of wine, she was taking her camera out of her jacket, I then found myself on the floor.

Maria appears to had both the wine and the beer and was reaching for her friends

givyjoe · 30-05-2019 9:02pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

No more a magnet for cranks than a trip advisor review I would think.

Precisely, and while they're are negative reviews over trivial matters, unjust ones too.. the best service providers are still well reviewed. Good professionals of any discipline, shouldn't be afraid of a public review system.

mikeymouse · 30-05-2019 9:04pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I did a quick google. and was inclined to agree with the statement of a HIgh Court Judge, who noted that the internet is "an easy, inexpensive and instant means of "allowing unscrupulous persons or ill-motivated malcontents to vent their anger and grievances against people, where their allegations are patently untrue and unreasonable"

Some of whom were fellow solicitors

seligehgit · 30-05-2019 9:08pm

Suckit wrote: »

Shatter was on SOR this morning and said that as a solicitor he would have asked his client if they understood what they were suing for, what the outcome may be and to go over ever little detail etc.
He said that he would have serious questions for whatever part member or lawyer gave her legal advice.

Hopefully Madigan is hung with her.

Fair enough but in all honesty the very idea of having to seek legal advice in this circumstance to ascertain if you have a winnable case is a real stretch and a gross insult of one's intelligence.She simply had no case,your average layperson would know same.

I can not for the life of me understand why on earth she would in the first instance seek legal advice in this circumstance and then proceed to blame her solicitor.

30-05-2019 9:12pm

mikeymouse wrote: »

Some of whom were fellow solicitors

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

No more a magnet for cranks than a trip advisor review I would think.

I really don't know. But stressful experiences of litigation can leave one far less disposed to a feeling of goodwill than if that person had just spent a relaxing weekend in a 4-star or 5-star resort.

And, on the other hand, those resorts tend to not to be a magnet for cranks and contrarians. Solicitors are.

givyjoe wrote: »

Precisely, and while they're are negative reviews over trivial matters, unjust ones too.. the best service providers are still well reviewed. Good professionals of any discipline, shouldn't be afraid of a public review system.

I suppose it all depends on sample size. A small practice in the outer suburbs will probably attract a greater proportion of crankish behaviour than that of a large firm on the Quays.

pinkyeye · 30-05-2019 9:12pm

And yet Frances Fitzgerald gets in on a huge majority??

What is wrong with people??

Wheeliebin30 · 30-05-2019 9:13pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

And yet Frances Fitzgerald gets in on a huge majority??

What is wrong with people??

What did Frances Fitz do?

The Rape of Lucretia · 30-05-2019 9:17pm

The involvement of a second bottle is just a conspiracy theory. We may never really know what happened there that night, but if the cctv is released, I am sure that we will see that she fell back and to the left. Back, and to the left. It was a lone bottle people - there was no magic phone either. Was there someone else on the grassy area? Yes, there are reports of TDs being in the area, but don't get distracted by Josepha Madigan - she's just a patsy.

30-05-2019 9:17pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

And yet Frances Fitzgerald gets in on a huge majority??

What is wrong with people??

Explain "yet". You seem to be using that word as a conjunctive without explaining why.

30-05-2019 9:18pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The involvement of a second bottle is just a conspiracy theory. We may never really know what happened there that night, but if the cctv is released, I am sure that we will see that she fell back and to the left. Back, and to the left. It was a lone bottle people - there was no magic phone either. Was there someone else on the grassy area? Yes, there are reports of TDs being in the area, but don't get distracted by Josepha Madigan - she's just a patsy.

Go to bed, hun

The high horse brigade · 30-05-2019 9:19pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Go to bed, hun

Stop quoting

degrassinoel · 30-05-2019 9:21pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The involvement of a second bottle is just a conspiracy theory. We may never really know what happened there that night, but if the cctv is released, I am sure that we will see that she fell back and to the left. Back, and to the left. It was a lone bottle people - there was no magic phone either. Was there someone else on the grassy area? Yes, there are reports of TDs being in the area, but don't get distracted by Josepha Madigan - she's just a patsy.

This sounds so familiar

Spanish Eyes · 30-05-2019 9:22pm

Some people in the public eye, politicians or not are very good at brazening it out.

They know most issues are a nine day wonder, and all forgotten about when the next big thing happens.

This case is the same. But it looks like a witch hunt to me, and I have no gra for FG believe me.

I wonder how many PI cases have been taken by elected politicians in the last ten years say? Quite a few I'd imagine, and yet this woman is vilified.

To say she was naive, ill advised, arrogant whatever, is an understatement. Idiot should have known better. But she is not alone I'd guess as an elected member in taking a case for PI.

odyssey06 · 30-05-2019 9:32pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This case is the same. But it looks like a witch hunt to me, and I have no gra for FG believe me.
I wonder how many PI cases have been taken by elected politicians in the last ten years say? Quite a few I'd imagine, and yet this woman is vilified.
To say she was naive, ill advised, arrogant whatever, is an understatement. Idiot should have known better. But she is not alone I'd guess as an elected member in taking a case for PI.

Any politician who brought a PI case where they lied in their submission deserves to be villified.
Nothing wrong with a legit PI case.

If a politician or public figure wriggles off the hook or manages to brazen it out thats one that got away.

30-05-2019 9:32pm

Prime Time shortly to feature update on MB case. Tune in folks.

Edgware · 30-05-2019 9:37pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The involvement of a second bottle is just a conspiracy theory. We may never really know what happened there that night, but if the cctv is released, I am sure that we will see that she fell back and to the left. Back, and to the left. It was a lone bottle people - there was no magic phone either. Was there someone else on the grassy area? Yes, there are reports of TDs being in the area, but don't get distracted by Josepha Madigan - she's just a patsy.

Is she the Jack Ruby of this conspiracy?

Suckit · 30-05-2019 9:38pm

seligehgit wrote: »

I can not for the life of me understand why on earth she would in the first instance seek legal advice in this circumstance and then proceed to blame her solicitor.

I don't know this. I am surmising from some posts in this thread, and coming to conclusions of my own.
Maria Bailey was in the Dean with Josepha Madigan and maybe others.
She went to grab a bottle of wine from one of the people she was with and fell.
It is possible then, that Josepha Madigan suggest she could sue, as the mere idea of swings being an acceptable seat in a licenced premises, and not expect anybody to get hurt is absurd.
She then began proceedings, where the wording was changed for whatever reason, to include the fact that there were no instructions and no supervision for the swing.
They also included the wrong date, as she was on TV the morning after the court papers date. The fact that she could not run at all for 3 months was included, and that was claimed to be a mistake, but it was not ellaborated what it should have said instead.

Prime Time just started, Gonna talk about Maria Bailey as the 2nd story.

Hardtochoose · 30-05-2019 9:38pm

Have a look at this CCTV. Utterly shocking. How anyone could submit a personal injury claim for this tip is beyond me. Glad this sort of shíte acting is being highlighted. There needs to be personal punishment for it, not simply awarding costs against the insurance company.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/watch-couples-personal-injury-claims-dismissed-after-cctv-of-minor-tip-shown-in-court-38164003.html

Be right back · 30-05-2019 9:40pm

Hardtochoose wrote: »

Have a look at this CCTV. Utterly shocking. How anyone could submit a personal injury claim for this tip is beyond me. Glad this sort of shíte acting is being highlighted. There needs to be personal punishment for it, not simply awarding costs against the insurance company.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/watch-couples-personal-injury-claims-dismissed-after-cctv-of-minor-tip-shown-in-court-38164003.html

I know. The car didn't even move!

NIMAN · 30-05-2019 9:43pm

The issue is, people will continue to make claims if there is no comeback.

These fraudsters should be fined, heavily.

McMurphy · 30-05-2019 9:47pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What did Frances Fitz do?

Lied in the Dail, you know this, you've asked about 75 times any time her name is mentioned.

Suckit · 30-05-2019 9:50pm

Hardtochoose wrote: »

Have a look at this CCTV. Utterly shocking. How anyone could submit a personal injury claim for this tip is beyond me. Glad this sort of shíte acting is being highlighted. There needs to be personal punishment for it, not simply awarding costs against the insurance company.

Did you see the photos of Alan Farrells car? And read the account of what happened?

McMurphy · 30-05-2019 9:50pm

Hardtochoose wrote: »

Have a look at this CCTV. Utterly shocking. How anyone could submit a personal injury claim for this tip is beyond me. Glad this sort of sh acting is being highlighted. There needs to be personal punishment for it, not simply awarding costs against the insurance company.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/watch-couples-personal-injury-claims-dismissed-after-cctv-of-minor-tip-shown-in-court-38164003.html

GDRP??

Is GDRP only applicable to the great unwashed?

Suckit · 30-05-2019 9:52pm

On Prime Time now.

seligehgit · 30-05-2019 10:00pm

That was brief.

Sounds like the loss of the chairmanship will be the sanction Fine Gael hope will to pacify an angry public.

Plumbthedepths · 30-05-2019 10:01pm

Seems the Indo has no intention of letting it drop. Poor MB, she seems to stand to loose a damn sight more than the amount she was hoping to defraud the Deans insurers of.

Suckit · 30-05-2019 10:02pm

seligehgit wrote: »

That was brief.

Sounds like the loss of the chairmanship will be the sanction Fine Gael hope will to pacify an angry public.

Yeah very brief. I don't think in this instance, that people will be happy until she's gone.
Where that goddam cctv footage.

Plumbthedepths · 30-05-2019 10:03pm

Johnny Dogs wrote:

Lied in the Dail, you know this, you've asked about 75 times any time her name is mentioned.

Maybe Wheelie had an accident and is suffering memory loss. Potential claim, maybe someone in FG could advise him.

Spanish Eyes · 30-05-2019 10:09pm

She can brazen this out.

Vlad can sanction her.

She could resign from the Committee.

Which of the above do you think will happen?

There is certainly a lot of media coverage of this but what will it achieve at the end of the day if there are absolutely no sanctions for false or spurious claims. That is the reality.

An Ri rua · 30-05-2019 10:11pm

Seems like Fine Gael are always media firefighting female FG TDs sitting on things they shouldn't. Thank God the other one didn't sue Tom Barry for a personal injury after being pulled into a sharp object....

They're some shower of ****es. The whole chamber.

ChikiChiki · 30-05-2019 10:14pm

Resigning the chair certainly will not be good enough in this instance. The radio interview and blatent lies has destroyed any chance of sympathy that she might have got.

Leo thinks it will blow over. He is badly mistaken.

Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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