Everest

mattser · 24-05-2019 12:23am

jasper100 wrote: »

Kazzehh wrote: »

For anyone looking for a little perspective on the motivation and thought processes of dedicated climbers - Free solo is starting on channel 4 now.

Some talent. Not one of the bellends climbing everest today would have the ability to even think about doing it.

Shows what climbing everest has become.

Surprised you haven't changed your username to bellend. It figures large in your vocabulary, and would be most appropriate.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 24-05-2019 12:24am

holliehobbie wrote: »

At least the American doctor has a conscience. It really is all about people's egos and money now though very sadly for the Sherpas.

I found her hand-wringing to be disingenuous. She questioned the ethics of climbing Everest only after her own successful expedition and having been on two unsuccessful attempts previously where many people died. She was still dogged despite witnessing the hardships of the Sherpas. There was a striking lack of self-awareness there, IMO.

holliehobbie · 24-05-2019 12:37am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I found her hand-wringing to be disingenuous. She questioned the ethics of climbing Everest only after her own successful expedition and having been on two unsuccessful attempts previously where many people died. She was still dogged despite witnessing the hardships of the Sherpas. There was a striking lack of self-awareness there, IMO.

But she did give up two attempts to give medical assistance to people.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 24-05-2019 12:46am

holliehobbie wrote: »

But she did give up two attempts to give medical assistance to people.

I think both those seasons were cancelled due to the adverse weather conditions that caused all the deaths. It didn’t come across like she voluntarily abandoned those attempts. And she still went back to try and summit after seeing how much danger the Sherpas put themselves in to set things up for tourists. It was good that she used her expertise but I think it would have remiss of her not to. Medicine is, IMO, a vocation and it would have been strange if she didn’t offer assistance. It came across a bit hypocritical for her to be questioning the ethics of climbing Everest when she was at the coalface when things went wrong and still was determined to make a summit attempt.

24-05-2019 7:14am

mattser wrote: »

Surprised you haven't changed your username to bellend. It figures large in your vocabulary, and would be most appropriate.

:D

jam_mac_jam · 24-05-2019 9:12am

Another two dead

https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/austrian-indian-climbers-die-on-mt-everest-as-death-toll-reaches-16/

maxsmum · 24-05-2019 9:17am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Another two dead

https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/austrian-indian-climbers-die-on-mt-everest-as-death-toll-reaches-16/

I think we should change our death notices to read 'breathed their last'... It's quite poetic.
Sort of masks the stupidity of a 65 year old trying to climb world's highest peak.

jasper100 · 24-05-2019 9:24am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Another two dead

https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/austrian-indian-climbers-die-on-mt-everest-as-death-toll-reaches-16/

More dumping to be done by the tourist board.

Yurt2 · 24-05-2019 9:26am

Old Jasper McBellend taking more joy in the deaths of perfect strangers I see. Hope you're having a nice Friday morning under that bridge of yours.

Snow Garden · 24-05-2019 9:29am

maxsmum wrote: »

I think we should change our death notices to read 'breathed their last'... It's quite poetic.
Sort of masks the stupidity of a 65 year old trying to climb world's highest peak.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/9279824/73-year-old-becomes-oldest-woman-to-climb-Mount-Everest.html

A 73-year-old Japanese woman has become the oldest female to scale Mount Everest, breaking the record she set a decade ago.

She has also climbed McKinley (Denali), Mont Blanc, Kilimanjaro and Aconcagua.

Ms Watanabe's bid had been driven by a rivalry with another Japanese climber, Eiko Funahashi, who was similarly aiming to set the record for being the oldest woman to reach the summit. Ms Funahashi, 72, was last reported to be awaiting a break in the weather before attempting the southeast ridge route, which is considered the easiest route to the top.
Ms Funahashi had failed in two previous efforts to reach the peak, in 2006 and 2010.

The oldest man to reach the summit is Nepalese climber Min Bahadur Sherchan, who was 76 when he completed the climb in 2008.

I'll be honest, I have huge respect for these people.

jasper100 · 24-05-2019 9:35am

Yurt! wrote: »

Old Jasper McBellend taking more joy in the deaths of perfect strangers I see. Hope you're having a nice Friday morning under that bridge of yours.

I am just stating the facts dude. I aint the one issueing permits knowing full well I will be arranging to dump some of their bodies off a cliff afterwards.

I think its a cynical and disgusting operation and the unsuitable people who go there are a lot of the problem.

Should places like barretstown be associating themselves with such reckless fundraising efforts?

Yurt2 · 24-05-2019 9:38am

jasper100 wrote: »

I am just stating the facts dude. I aint the one issueing permits knowing full well I will be arranging to dump some of their bodies off a cliff afterwards.

I think its a cynical and disgusting operation and the unsuitable people who go there are a lot of the problem.

Should places like barretstown be associating themselves with such reckless fundraising efforts?

Direct your ire at the people who manage the mountain, the Nepalese government. You've been polluting this thread with crassness and disrespect for days now.

If I wanted someone 'who tells it like it is' I'd watch Trump on YouTube on loop for 10 hours.

redmgar · 24-05-2019 9:40am

A grown adult using the phrase bellend, bet they are great craic. Something a 12 year old would have said in the early 90s.

maxsmum · 24-05-2019 9:40am

One of the documentaries mentioned anyone over 50 has physiologically double the risk of dying. So while I'm impressed at their efforts, I wouldn't say I respect them.
At least they've lived a longer life and probably don't have dependants anymore.

redmgar · 24-05-2019 9:41am

jasper100 wrote: »

I am just stating the facts dude.

And dude......jaysus.

mattser · 24-05-2019 9:41am

Snow Garden wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/9279824/73-year-old-becomes-oldest-woman-to-climb-Mount-Everest.html

She has also climbed McKinley (Denali), Mont Blanc, Kilimanjaro and Aconcagua.

I'll be honest, I have huge respect for these people.

Absolutely. They have more to do with their lives than be couch potato keyboard warriors.

bucketybuck · 24-05-2019 9:42am

jasper100 wrote: »

I am just stating the facts dude.

You are just repeating the same tired point over and over. They dump the bodies over the side and out of the way, yeah we know, everybody knows. Who is that passive aggressive crap even supposed to be directed at?

jam_mac_jam · 24-05-2019 9:43am

mattser wrote: »

Absolutely. They have more to do with their lives than be couch potato keyboard warriors.

Again, you don't have to be a high altitude climber not to be a couch potato. Its not one or the other.

Tomw86 · 24-05-2019 9:55am

Any update on the renewed rescue attempt of Mr. Lawless's body?

redmgar · 24-05-2019 9:57am

Tomw86 wrote: »

Any update on the renewed rescue attempt of Mr. Lawless's body?

Not as yet according to the media reports. The search resumed yesterday.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 24-05-2019 10:04am

Yurt! wrote: »

Direct your ire at the people who manage the mountain, the Nepalese government. You've been polluting this thread with crassness and disrespect for days now.

If I wanted someone 'who tells it like it is' I'd watch Trump on YouTube on loop for 10 hours.

Aye, “I’m just telling it like it is.” is a Jeremy Kyle-esque battle cry.

jasper100 · 24-05-2019 10:07am

redmgar wrote: »

And dude......jaysus.

Remember you were telling us Seamus Lawlor had extensive mountaineering experience, any chance you can share a few of the facts on that with us please, instead of always ignoring the question.

redmgar · 24-05-2019 10:08am

jasper100 wrote: »

Remember you were telling us Seamus Lawlor had extensive mountaineering experience, any chance you can share a few of the facts on that with us please, instead of always ignoring the question.

Just telling it like it is dude.

kunst nugget · 24-05-2019 10:14am

jasper100 wrote: »

Remember you were telling us Seamus Lawlor had extensive mountaineering experience, any chance you can share a few of the facts on that with us please, instead of always ignoring the question.

You read all the information out there on Seamus Lawless so you know the answer already. Why do you insist on repeatedly asking the question? It's boring as fúck to have to scroll through the same question asked over and over...

jasper100 · 24-05-2019 10:14am

redmgar wrote: »

Just telling it like it is dude.

Avoiding the answer as usual. To be expected of you at this stage.

jasper100 · 24-05-2019 10:17am

kunst nugget wrote: »

You read all the information out there on Seamus Lawless so you know the answer already. Why do you insist on repeatedly asking the question? It's boring as fúck to have to scroll through the same question asked over and over...

Why not have a go at the guy who made the statement with nothing factual to back himself up?

If he backed up what he said when asked you wouldn't have to be scrolling through pages of him being asked to backup what he said.

redmgar · 24-05-2019 10:22am

jasper100 wrote: »

Avoiding the answer as usual. To be expected of you at this stage.

If his climbing experience that has already been listed doesn't meet your standard of extensive then I guess I will just have to get on with my life with that burden.

kunst nugget · 24-05-2019 10:24am

jasper100 wrote: »

Why not have a go at the guy who made the statement with nothing factual to back himself up?

If he backed up what he said when asked you wouldn't have to be scrolling through pages of him being asked to backup what he said.

If he's not going to answer it, accept it and let it go. It stops being a thread where people can discuss their thoughts on the issue and becomes about you hectoring people.

jasper100 · 24-05-2019 10:35am

redmgar wrote: »

If his climbing experience that has already been listed doesn't meet your standard of extensive then I guess I will just have to get on with my life with that burden.

He skipped the recommended 8000m+ warmup climb bit because he was in a rush and now he is dead.

Draw your own conclusions.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 24-05-2019 11:03am

jasper100 wrote: »

Why not have a go at the guy who made the statement with nothing factual to back himself up?

If he backed up what he said when asked you wouldn't have to be scrolling through pages of him being asked to backup what he said.

An interview with Lawless was posted on the thread. In it, he lists his mountaineering experience. Whether that experience is extensive, well, nobody can tell you what to think there. But the information has been supplied.

Fr Tod Umptious · 24-05-2019 11:06am

Tomw86 wrote: »

Any update on the renewed rescue attempt of Mr. Lawless's body?

News from the death zone does not come in like the ticker on Sky News.

Anyone that is part of the search is at C4, exhausted at this stage with very limited time to search due to supplies of oxygen, weather, their own health etc.

So they probably have no news to relay to base camp.

As has been suggested here before a recovery effort could literally take years.

styo · 24-05-2019 11:14am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

News from the death zone does not come in like the ticker on Sky News.

Anyone that is part of the search is at C4, exhausted at this stage with very limited time to search due to supplies of oxygen, weather, their own health etc.

So they probably have no news to relay to base camp.

As has been suggested here before a recovery effort could literally take years.

the report is that they found a crampon but could not find any sign of him. They did find a 'huge crevasse' below the balcony area where he is believed to have fallen, and the suspicion in that he fell down into it. The chairman of seven treks describes the crevasse as 'highly inaccessible'.

redmgar · 24-05-2019 11:17am

styo wrote: »

the report is that they found a crampon but could not find any sign of him. They did find a 'huge crevasse' below the balcony area where he is believed to have fallen, and the suspicion in that he fell down into it. The chairman of seven treks describes the crevasse as 'highly inaccessible'.

Is there a legitimate source for this Styo?

styo · 24-05-2019 11:18am

redmgar wrote: »

Is there a legitimate source for this Styo?

https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/sherpas-recover-indian-climbers-bodies-on-mt-makalu-ground-team-finds-no-trace-of-irish-professor-on-mt-everest/

pc7 · 24-05-2019 11:18am

Thanks to the poster of the youtube video of the chinese group from the North side, fascinating watch.

He mentioned they were 3rd time at 7000 (north col) in that expedition (if I understood correctly). Do climbers on the south side do the same to aclimatise? (would that be camp 4?).

How much weight do the ropes hold, I was amazed at some stages how many seemed connected and pulling on it with their 'hook things?'

The struggle he had from 7300 was unreal. How they climb to the summit in the middle of the night, I'd be delirious, how they keep their concentration to climb is amazing. Seeing the dead body was so sureal. The ladder sections looked so dodgy, unbelieve to watch it.

Id say once you summit you won't want to come down. The adrenalin rush must be amazing, but then you have the hard part of climbing down again.

Is it a much harder climb from the north side? Do more people die on the decscents due to being in the dead zone? tiredness? or just bad luck? If you climb up the north side can you descent the south side? Any climbers know?

pc7 · 24-05-2019 11:22am

styo wrote: »

the report is that they found a crampon but could not find any sign of him. They did find a 'huge crevasse' below the balcony area where he is believed to have fallen, and the suspicion in that he fell down into it. The chairman of seven treks describes the crevasse as 'highly inaccessible'.

At least they tried, hopefully that gives the family some solace.

josip · 24-05-2019 11:25am

pc7 wrote: »

Thanks to the poster of the youtube video of the chinese group from the North side, fascinating watch.

He mentioned they were 3rd time at 7000 (north col) in that expedition (if I understood correctly). Do climbers on the south side do the same to aclimatise? (would that be camp 4?).

How much weight do the ropes hold, I was amazed at some stages how many seemed connected and pulling on it with their 'hook things?'

The struggle he had from 7300 was unreal. How they climb to the summit in the middle of the night, I'd be delirious, how they keep their concentration to climb is amazing. Seeing the dead body was so sureal. The ladder sections looked so dodgy, unbelieve to watch it.

Id say once you summit you won't want to come down. The adrenalin rush must be amazing, but then you have the hard part of climbing down again.

Is it a much harder climb from the north side? Do more people die on the decscents due to being in the dead zone? tiredness? or just bad luck? If you climb up the north side can you descent the south side? Any climbers know?

Not a climber, but I think 3-4 times more die on the way back down than the way up due to: running out of oxygen, onset of AMS, tiredness, deteriorating weather/snow conditions.

I don't think any climber would plan to go up one side and down the other.
You'd have to duplicate your entire support network of people and equipment as well as paying the permits on both sides that help pay for the fixed ropes etc.
Plus I'd prefer to descend via a route I'd already seen that day and was familiar to me than an unfamiliar one.
Some climbers may have done it in the past out of necessity or to be the first to do it, but it would be very unusual.
It''s not like the next day you can get a bus around from Tibetan base camp back to the Nepalese base camp.

elefant · 24-05-2019 11:25am

Terribly tragic story, and terribly interesting thread. The stories are absolutely fascinating.

the.red.baron · 24-05-2019 11:29am

pc7 wrote: »

Thanks to the poster of the youtube video of the chinese group from the North side, fascinating watch.

He mentioned they were 3rd time at 7000 (north col) in that expedition (if I understood correctly). Do climbers on the south side do the same to aclimatise? (would that be camp 4?).

How much weight do the ropes hold, I was amazed at some stages how many seemed connected and pulling on it with their 'hook things?'

The struggle he had from 7300 was unreal. How they climb to the summit in the middle of the night, I'd be delirious, how they keep their concentration to climb is amazing. Seeing the dead body was so sureal. The ladder sections looked so dodgy, unbelieve to watch it.

Id say once you summit you won't want to come down. The adrenalin rush must be amazing, but then you have the hard part of climbing down again.

Is it a much harder climb from the north side? Do more people die on the decscents due to being in the dead zone? tiredness? or just bad luck? If you climb up the north side can you descent the south side? Any climbers know?

are you a toddle by any chance, cause your train of thought is exactly like one

bucketybuck · 24-05-2019 11:30am

pc7 wrote: »

Id say once you summit you won't want to come down. The adrenalin rush must be amazing, but then you have the hard part of climbing down again.

Ha. Its great for about 15 minutes, then you remember how utterly ****e you feel and all you want to do is get the **** out of there.

I haven't been as high as Everest, but I can't imagine its any different up there!

retro:electro · 24-05-2019 11:31am

pc7 wrote: »

Thanks to the poster of the youtube video of the chinese group from the North side, fascinating watch.

He mentioned they were 3rd time at 7000 (north col) in that expedition (if I understood correctly). Do climbers on the south side do the same to aclimatise? (would that be camp 4?).

How much weight do the ropes hold, I was amazed at some stages how many seemed connected and pulling on it with their 'hook things?'

The struggle he had from 7300 was unreal. How they climb to the summit in the middle of the night, I'd be delirious, how they keep their concentration to climb is amazing. Seeing the dead body was so sureal. The ladder sections looked so dodgy, unbelieve to watch it.

Id say once you summit you won't want to come down. The adrenalin rush must be amazing, but then you have the hard part of climbing down again.

Is it a much harder climb from the north side? Do more people die on the decscents due to being in the dead zone? tiredness? or just bad luck? If you climb up the north side can you descent the south side? Any climbers know?

Which video was this? Would you mind posting it again I think I missed it

holliehobbie · 24-05-2019 11:31am

Just hope all the Sherpas make it back down now in full health.

jam_mac_jam · 24-05-2019 11:32am

pc7 wrote: »

Thanks to the poster of the youtube video of the chinese group from the North side, fascinating watch.

He mentioned they were 3rd time at 7000 (north col) in that expedition (if I understood correctly). Do climbers on the south side do the same to aclimatise? (would that be camp 4?).

How much weight do the ropes hold, I was amazed at some stages how many seemed connected and pulling on it with their 'hook things?'

The struggle he had from 7300 was unreal. How they climb to the summit in the middle of the night, I'd be delirious, how they keep their concentration to climb is amazing. Seeing the dead body was so sureal. The ladder sections looked so dodgy, unbelieve to watch it.

Id say once you summit you won't want to come down. The adrenalin rush must be amazing, but then you have the hard part of climbing down again.

Is it a much harder climb from the north side? Do more people die on the decscents due to being in the dead zone? tiredness? or just bad luck? If you climb up the north side can you descent the south side? Any climbers know?

You can drive to base camp on the Tibet side so you don't acclimatise by walking there like in Nepal. They usually do smaller peaks to acclimatise and train.

Less people climb from the North side so there are less deaths. Most people die coming down from the altitude and cold. Fatigue is connected to this. You wouldn't really descend the other side as you would have no supports such as tents or oxygen. I think it has been done once or twice though.

Yurt2 · 24-05-2019 11:33am

josip wrote: »

Not a climber, but I think 3-4 times more die on the way back down than the way up due to: running out of oxygen, onset of AMS, tiredness, deteriorating weather/snow conditions.

I don't think any climber would plan to go up one side and down the other.
You'd have to duplicate your entire support network of people and equipment as well as paying the permits on both sides that help pay for the fixed ropes etc.
Plus I'd prefer to descend via a route I'd already seen that day and was familiar to me than an unfamiliar one.
Some climbers may have done it in the past out of necessity or to be the first to do it, but it would be very unusual.
It''s not like the next day you can get a bus around from Tibetan base camp back to the Nepalese base camp.

A traverse of Everest has been done by a number of climbers. A double traverse has also been completed (up the Nepalese side, down the Tibetan. Rest a few days then up again).

pc7 · 24-05-2019 11:34am

the.red.baron wrote: »

are you a toddle by any chance, cause your train of thought is exactly like one

What's a toddle?

pc7 · 24-05-2019 11:35am

retro:electro wrote: »

Which video was this? Would you mind posting it again I think I missed it

Here you go, amazing watch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeSqJK2Rais

the beer revolu · 24-05-2019 11:36am

With any luck, the grieving family and fellow climbers of Seamus Lawless will finally see sense and accept the fact that his body (like the vast majority of victims of Everest) will remain on the mountain. I really feared that someone else would lose their life in the bid to recover the body.

Hopefully, the organisers of the GFM campaign will also see sense and refund what money is possible and donate the rest to Barratstown minus what was spent on the recovery attempt.

This Everest lark is a grotesque clusterfcuk and a huge disaster just waiting to happen and considering what it's become, I really can't see why anyone would pay huge sums and seriously risk their lives to climb it.

pc7 · 24-05-2019 11:39am

the beer revolu wrote: »

I really can't see why anyone would pay huge sums and seriously risk their lives to climb it.

After reading here and watching a few videos I can see why mountain climbers (who have a gra for the sport) would want to climb it. As opposed to climbing tourists.

the.red.baron · 24-05-2019 11:39am

pc7 wrote: »

What's a toddle?

my bad a toddler

, sticky keyboard

Sending lads up, putting pressure on them to go looking for someone who is clearly dead is bad form in my book

gozunda · 24-05-2019 11:59am

From today's report on the search for the missing climber

The team conducted an extensive ground search covering the area between 6,600 m to 8,300 m till this afternoon,” Sherpa quoted the search team members as saying. The team couldn’t find any clue to the missing professor, he said. Based on the information shared by the rescuers, it is suspected that Lawless had fallen into crevasse and perished, Sherpa said. “The team reportedly visualised a huge crevasse below the balcony area from where Lawless’s crampon was recovered,” Sherpa described, “The crevasse is highly inaccessible.”

The ground search is almost over for now, Sherpa added. “As a last-ditch attempt, we are preparing to conduct an aerial search for missing Lawless, depending on weather condition, either later today or tomorrow,” Sherpa concluded.

https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/sherpas-recover-indian-climbers-bodies-on-mt-makalu-ground-team-finds-no-trace-of-irish-professor-on-mt-everest/

Everest

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