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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #10002
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not allowed to question if a case is a case. We need to find the real cases. There's obviously a problem with testing given hses disclosure tonight and problems all over the world or do we just ignore the problem. Covid is 100 per cent real and has caused alot of suffering.Testing is now a problem. Does this offend?

    Its a problem for sure but it doesn't change the fact that ICUs and hospitals are getting busier with covid patients. Its better than false negatives at least.


  • #10003
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not allowed to question if a case is a case. We need to find the real cases. There's obviously a problem with testing given hses disclosure tonight and problems all over the world or do we just ignore the problem. Covid is 100 per cent real and has caused alot of suffering.Testing is now a problem. Does this offend?

    Of course you are allowed question anything .

    But in questioning one needs to make sure that the information you are using to question is reliable , factual and not biased .

    The tweet I was asking about was the link you posted to a person called Andrew Bostom .

    Do you know anything about him or do you just like what he has to say ?


  • #10004
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Didn't realise your a mod now. You seem to be suggesting conspiracy theories etc. I'm reflecting the growing frustrations and limitations people are having with testing at present.

    Why would you say that ? All I wondered was why you were posting a tweet from an American guy who , by the way , appears to be an anti mask and Covid conspiracy theorists , without saying anything about it . Why would that be modding ?
    I never thought it was about conspiracy theories till you posted it , just thought you made a mistake and hit on the wrong link .
    Now I know it is , and am not interested . Goodnight .


  • #10005
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    normanoffside wrote: »
    She was on BBC Question time last week as well.

    And didn't come across well at all, a telecoms billionaire on the same panel had her flustered and stuttering.


  • #10006
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah I see your point. You are right. I did a bit a research and I'm still a bit confused. I would hope that people getting sent for testing have a higher probability of having covid as in they had a close contact or symptoms etc. I guess it comes down to the probability of someone having covid getting sent for a test. I posted the formula and a visualisation to help.

    Fair play if you do know. I'll let other's like yourself keep me informed.
    I know nothing about the medicine aspect of it, just the general maths of it. And you are correct - people being sent for testing do have a higher chance than random selection, but the number of negative cases being referred (for now!) still far outweigh the positives.

    caveat emptor wrote: »
    This is not my area of expertise so I'll not get involved if that's ok.

    I'll follow my own advice and say "I don't know".
    This is not at all in the spirit of the thread.


  • #10007
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Really am baffled by the attitude you’ve grown in the last few weeks on here. Informative posting and really decent analysis of numbers has turned into absolute showmanship and downright rudeness to anyone who may have a different view.

    You’re telling posters to ignore people or “not bother” interacting because their views might be different or they hold them strongly. Sarcastically talking about degrees in testing after that poster said we’re not all equal in terms of knowledge, who was standing up for someone who does PCR testing as part of their job, and has been an absolute wealth of knowledge for those of us that don’t know about PCR testing.

    Plenty of assumed information, anecdotal information, second hand information - don’t get me wrong here, all valuable in their own right - posted by you here over the last couple of months. And yet, when anyone else does similar, you jump down their throats for doing the exact same.

    You can’t even wonder aloud here anymore about something unlikely but plausible without fear of being labelled a doom monger.

    Tonight you posted a link that was disputed by many, right or wrong, and you’ve fought and fought it, even when the expert weighs in you just dismiss it as “ah sure neither of us know what we’re talking about”.

    It’d be great to just have a discussion here tbh without all the extra attitude and snide comments.
    .
    Hit the nail on the head. Who in their right mind posts sh*t from david quinn and believes it. As for someone unqualified telling someone who's job it is run tests how to do their job is pure and utter arrogance and really showing their colours.


  • #10008
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Why did the CDC remove their comment that the virus is airborne?

    There has been some trouble with the CDC being influenced by Trump this may or may not be his work.


  • #10009
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    <link dump removed>

    Mod: @Woody79 - if you just dump links without adding so much as your own point of view, I'll delete them.


  • #10010
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    declanflynn wrote: »
    she was all rte could afford, probably just off the boat from India with fake papers

    Mod: Thread doesn't need this. Seeing as you are already in breach of threadban, take two weeks away from the forum.


  • #10011
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Hey Boards is broke we went over 10,000 posts :)

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #10012
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,670 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Hey Boards is broke we went over 10,000 posts :)

    Beasty be like

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  • #10013
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We're using such a high PCR cycle I'm fairly certain the chances of false negatives are quite low.

    Well I'm fairly certain you are full of shit.

    false negatives are more common as they mostly down to mis-sampling or sampling too early into infection. Nothing to do with the test itself...more to do with the Patient circumstances such as their stage of infection, their presentation of the virus (how much of virus is in the bodies test site ie throat, nose etc) and how effective the HCP collected the sample using the swab. All the test does is detect whether RNA is present or not on the swab.

    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    What? I know how PCR works. Read the tweets by De Gascun.

    Really have you become some sort of expert in the last week? I remember schooling you on it.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114615229&postcount=2009


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Are you familiar with using the assay that the NVRL uses? If not then we're just as clueless as each other, to be fair.

    They use Cobas SARS-CoV-2, its a child of the SARS1 LC and Taqman assy from back in 2002/2003.

    I wouldnt say Martina is clueless at all, it seems she works mostly in SWA and although she says she does a little NAT she would know hell of a lot more than you.

    You might be good a googling crap on the net and posting it here as if you are some sort expert or something, but when it comes to testing you don't fool me... im just shaking my head and laughing. What a Joke.


  • #10014
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Sorry I forgot you showed us your degree in COVID-19 testing...

    A large part of my job involves RT-PCR assays in a clinical setting. I literally do it every day. While you appear to have read up on how RT-PCR works. It's admirable you want to learn, but you don't know everything.


  • #10015
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    To the experts here (please excuse my limited knowledge).

    How accurate are those rapid tests compared to alternatives?

    Should they be deployed in the airports and as part of serial testing in certain sectors?

    Is 180 euros a reasonable cost for a private test and certificate in respect to travel?


  • #10016
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Happydays2020 wrote: »

    Is 180 euros a reasonable cost for a private test and certificate in respect to travel?

    Reasonable is a case of what you are willing to pay

    It seems to be the going rate, however turnaround is 48 hours in Ireland which is rubbish

    I can get a test for the same price this morning at Munich airport and have a result by 3


  • #10017
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    We've crossed the Rubicon


  • #10018
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Why did the CDC remove their comment that the virus is airborne?

    The WHO queried it and the the CDC came out to say it was an error.


  • #10019
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    So 1% of actual negatives come back positive. That's a big number, no?

    Up to 1% not 1%. Its an important point. Could be 0


  • #10020
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Reasonable is a case of what you are willing to pay

    It seems to be the going rate, however turnaround is 48 hours in Ireland which is rubbish

    I can get a test for the same price this morning at Munich airport and have a result by 3

    Airport would be a private lab for profit rather than the health service. Cost of reagents and consumables would be 40 euros at the most if running in a full batch. Nice mark up at 180.

    Even the longest PCR test is 3.5 hrs at the most, POC like the Abbott NOW is 13 mins. Even the more narrow less sensitive Antigen test like the Abbott BinaxNOW or the Roche chromatographic Antigen test are 15 mins, cheaper too.


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  • #10021
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/obesity-linked-to-hospitalisation-and-icus-for-covid-19-patients-1.4361841

    Obese people are 17 times more likely to end up in ICU.

    This problem needs addressing. Many people in this country are wilfully eating themselves into huge problems while the rest of us suffer as a result.


  • #10022
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Airport would be a private lab for profit rather than the health service. Cost of reagents and consumables would be 40 euros at the most if running in a full batch. Nice mark up at 180.

    Even the longest PCR test is 3.5 hrs at the most, POC like the Abbott NOW is 13 mins. Even the more narrow less sensitive Antigen test like the Abbott BinaxNOW or the Roche chromatographic Antigen test are 15 mins, cheaper too.

    I did think that 180 was expensive - I suppose there is a GP consultation and admin costs in there also so not as massive a mark-up.

    Interesting that airlines see testing as the way forward - https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0923/1166893-lufthansa-covid-antigen-tests/


  • #10023
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/obesity-linked-to-hospitalisation-and-icus-for-covid-19-patients-1.4361841

    Obese people are 17 times more likely to end up in ICU.

    This problem needs addressing. Many people in this country are wilfully eating themselves into huge problems while the rest of us suffer as a result.

    It is probably getting worse by the day during the current restrictions. Level 4 (which NPHET want) will mean the further closing of exercise facilities.


  • #10024
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    I did think that 180 was expensive - I suppose there is a GP consultation and admin costs in there also so not as massive a mark-up.

    Interesting that airlines see testing as the way forward - https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0923/1166893-lufthansa-covid-antigen-tests/

    Why would you consult a GP for an airport test? you would just get tested and get the result from the labs pathologist? its not like public health.

    collection and admin costs are not that much.


  • #10025
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Just watching this so called professor, clearly a loon. That she has a PhD or masters degree doesn't mean she is immune from bad ideology - a way of viewing the world which is inimical to public health during a pandemic of a virus without any cure.

    I wouldn't mind differing opinions . The way she conducted herself was pretty unprofessional especially on national TV. Anyone who thought she owned Ryan is probably looking at it with an obvious bias. Embarrassing behavior.


  • #10026
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,514 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Not been paying enough attention and you guys sneakily took it over 10,000

    New thread here


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