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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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    #9932
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BothaBoy/status/1308507098490245133?s=20

    Not that I don't believe those accuracy figures

    Didn't China test millions in Wuhan over a few days and only got a few hundred positives

    Our testing would have got thousands of positives

    Chinese are alot smarter than us though, tests were probably accurate :-)


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    #9933
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Another high number of cases today. The days of low numbers of below 100 a day are long over unfortunately.


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    #9934
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,848 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BothaBoy/status/1308507098490245133?s=20
    I really hate to break it to you but Cary Grant is dead....and when he was alive I am not sure he was an expert virologist...


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    #9935
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Hospitals Update:

    Mater (+4) - 21
    St. James (--) - 10
    Beaumont (-2) - 9
    Connolly (--) - 8
    Tullamore (+1) - 7
    St Vincents (-1) - 6
    Tallaght (--) - 6
    UHL (--) - 5
    GUH (+1) - 4
    Mercy (+1) - 4
    UHW (--) - 3
    Mullingar (--) - 2
    Naas (+1) - 2
    Portlaoise (--) - 2
    Drogheda (-1) - 1
    Letterkenny (--) - 1
    Navan (--) - 1
    South Tipp (--) - 1
    UHK (+1) - 1
    CUH (-1) - 0

    ICU:

    Tallaght (--) - 3
    UHL (--) - 2
    Portlaoise (--) - 2
    Mater (-1) - 2
    Beaumont (--) - 1
    Connolly (--) - 1
    Mercy (--) - 1
    South Tipp (--) - 1
    St James (--) - 1
    St Vincents (--) - 1
    Tullamore (--) - 1


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    #9936
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Wow racist much?
    no!
    She said she was from India!
    I'm just questioning the state of her mind


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    #9937
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    School outbreaks increasing.

    https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1308512102542438406?s=20


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    #9938
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,540 ✭✭✭Allinall


    declanflynn wrote: »
    no!
    She said she was from India!
    I'm just questioning the state of her mind

    What’s with the boat reference?


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    #9939
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    declanflynn wrote: »
    no!
    She said she was from India!
    I'm just questioning the state of her mind

    By placing her "state of mind" alongside her nationality and her supposedly illegitimate travels here, your intentions are pretty clear.


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    #9940
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Fairly big development in the last hour.
    HSE admits that 70-80 cases per day (for 10000 tests) are false positives.
    Christ.
    https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/1308493818027741184?s=20

    May explain part of the reason all over Europe there is a lot more cases but less sickness than first wave. May lose some public support if this is managed badly by health departments.


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    #9941
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Allinall wrote: »
    What’s with the boat reference?
    my mistake, if she came by plane


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    #9942
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    The question is:
    How many people who got a positive result were falsely told they were positve

    Answer e.g.: 0.8%
    So 0.8% of the people who got a positive result were false.

    Not 0.8% of every one who was tested.
    Leaving the positive element aside (hard to wrap my brain around that). In simpler to understand terms: if you test 10,000 sterile swabs, as theres zero covid RNA on it to replicate, you will get 10,000 negative results?


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    #9943
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    were you just thumbing through the Tennessee Star when you stumbled upon this article, Woody?

    Funny I have never seen you ask this of another poster who posts equally obsure stuff. Bias prehaps?


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    #9944
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Leaving the positive element aside (hard to wrap my brain around that). In simpler to understand terms: if you test 10,000 sterile swabs, as theres zero covid RNA on it to replicate, you will get 10,000 negative results?
    good question


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    #9945
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Just watching this so called professor, clearly a loon. That she has a PhD or masters degree doesn't mean she is immune from bad ideology - a way of viewing the world which is inimical to public health during a pandemic of a virus without any cure.


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    #9946
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,540 ✭✭✭Allinall


    declanflynn wrote: »
    my mistake, if she came by plane

    Don’t think it was a mistake.

    Your racism was very clear.


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    #9947
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Leaving the positive element aside (hard to wrap my brain around that). In simpler to understand terms: if you test 10,000 sterile swabs, as theres zero covid RNA on it to replicate, you will get 10,000 negative results?

    sorry, zero covid is impossible


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    #9948
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    funnydoggy wrote:
    Layman here - does this mean they're running through the PCR tests loads of times making it really sensitive? So we're getting a lot of false positives?
    A swab will yield a positve result when viral RNA to SARS CoV 2 is detected.

    You cant find whats not there.
    I could take a swab from you and amplify it til the cows come home, its not going to be positve if theres no viral RNA in the sample (unless contaminated).

    We're splitting hairs here really.
    If someone gets a pos result they likely either have or had been infected with Covid.

    So why take a risk of infecting others. Isolate for 2 weeks and be safe.
    Regardless of all the statistical crap.


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    #9949
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    A swab will yield a positve result when viral RNA to SARS CoV 2 is detected.

    You cant find whats not there.
    I could take a swab from you and amplify it til the cows come home, its not going to be positve if theres no viral RNA in the sample (unless contaminated).

    We're splitting hairs here really.
    If someone gets a pos result they likely either have or had been infected with Covid.

    So why take a risk of infecting others. Isolate for 2 weeks and be safe.
    Regardless of all the statistical crap.
    Are you familiar with using the assay that the NVRL uses? If not then we're just as clueless as each other, to be fair.


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    #9950
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,928 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    declanflynn wrote: »
    she was all rte could afford, probably just off the boat from India with fake papers

    She was on BBC Question time last week as well.


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    #9951
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Are you familiar with using the assay that the NVRL uses? If not then we're just as clueless as each other, to be fair.

    We're really not all as clueless as each other here ACE.


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    #9952
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gmisk wrote: »
    I really hate to break it to you but Cary Grant is dead....and when he was alive I am not sure he was an expert virologist...

    :pac::pac:


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    #9953
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    We're really not all as clueless as each other here ACE.


    Sorry I forgot you showed us your degree in COVID-19 testing...


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    #9954
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    :pac::pac:

    Your real name is not Woody79?


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    #9955
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Wolf359f wrote:
    Leaving the positive element aside (hard to wrap my brain around that). In simpler to understand terms: if you test 10,000 sterile swabs, as theres zero covid RNA on it to replicate, you will get 10,000 negative results?
    Yes of course you should.

    But people arent sterile. We're hosts to millions of bacteria and viruses that can/may cause interference.

    People are also human, and when racks of identical small tubes are side by side theres always possibilities of things like cross contaminants or human error.

    There are safety procedures and checks in place to prevent all that but my point is, nothing will be 100% perfect every time.


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    #9956
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    normanoffside wrote: »
    She was on BBC Question time last week as well.
    The BBC have a nut job or two on everynight


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    #9957
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Your real name is not Woody79?

    Exactly.


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    #9958
    Martina1991
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    ACitizenErased wrote:
    Are you familiar with using the assay that the NVRL uses? If not then we're just as clueless as each other, to be fair.
    I think they use a Roche platform but im not sure. I think the poster mandrake might know.

    I wouldnt say im clueless, I do perform PCR as part of my job, although not for covid testing.


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    #9959
    growleaves
    Registered Users Posts: 7,685 ✭✭✭growleaves


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    #9960
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Yes of course you should.

    But people arent sterile. We're hosts to millions of bacteria and viruses that can/may cause interference.

    People are also human, and when racks of identical small tubes are side by side theres always possibilities of things like cross contaminants or human error.

    There are safety procedures and checks in place to prevent all that but my point is, nothing will be 100% perfect every time.

    I didn't want to mention cross continamation.
    But going by that, saying the false positive is based on all tests is incorrect so. It's based on the tests with a positive result.
    And which was already pointed out, a positive result can't distinguish if you're just over the infection or presymptomatic. So as you say, people should still isolate as they could still be infections or become infections.


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    #9961
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Are you familiar with using the assay that the NVRL uses? If not then we're just as clueless as each other, to be fair.

    As far as i know martina actually works in this field. Whats your qualification\experience outside of googling stuff?


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