New York Jets Thread

Igotadose · 06-03-2020 10:53am

Q Williams arrested for having a gun at La Guardia airport. Moron.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/quinnen-williams-jets-defensive-lineman-arrested-at-airport-for-alleged-gun-possession/

corner back 2 · 07-03-2020 5:55pm

Apparently the Q Williams arrest not as bad as first thought. Gun was unloaded and in checked baggage not carry on. It wouldn't be a Jets off season without an arrest.

Jets in discussions with Redskins about trade for Trent Williams LT. Would be a good signing if compensation isn't too dear.

hots · 09-03-2020 1:50pm

corner back 2 wrote: »

Apparently the Q Williams arrest not as bad as first thought. Gun was unloaded and in checked baggage not carry on. It wouldn't be a Jets off season without an arrest.

Jets in discussions with Redskins about trade for Trent Williams LT. Would be a good signing if compensation isn't too dear.

I'd say the trade is too much to make it worth while, I don't mind overpaying a short contract while the cap is good, but giving up a 3rd or more would be a poor move imo.

Igotadose · 09-03-2020 5:50pm

Trumaine Johnson to be cut. No surprise. Good riddance - always on the other team's highlight film while a Jet.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28871214/source-jets-release-high-priced-cb-trumaine-johnson

hots · 10-03-2020 11:20am

Igotadose wrote: »

Trumaine Johnson to be cut. No surprise. Good riddance - always on the other team's highlight film while a Jet.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28871214/source-jets-release-high-priced-cb-trumaine-johnson

Must be one of the worst free agents mistakes in a long time.

phatkev · 24-03-2020 8:53pm

Looks like Robby Anderson is signing with the Panthers. I dont think anyone here would be surprised he didnt resign with the Jets, but I'll still be sad to see him go.
Still think they need to go OT at #11, it seems to be a pretty deep class at WR

hots · 25-03-2020 11:02am

Yup, ideally I'd like OT at 11 and then 2 WRs in the next 3 picks.

phatkev · 25-03-2020 11:45am

Breshad Perriman looks like Robbys replacement. If he can perform like he did in the latter half of last season, they could be onto a winner. If he performs like he did in Baltimore he wont be of much use. Also big questions around if he can stay healthy for 16 games

hots · 25-03-2020 11:48am

phatkev wrote: »

Breshad Perriman looks like Robbys replacement. If he can perform like he did in the latter half of last season, they could be onto a winner. If he performs like he did in Baltimore he wont be of much use. Also big questions around if he can stay healthy for 16 games

I think we have to hope he's competing for WR2 at most post-draft really.

I'm sure I read last year that Gase plays 3 WR and 1 TE the most out of any coach in the league, with our current roster and even after the draft it's fairly likely we'll need to see more 2TE/2RB sets if we want to be productive.

corner back 2 · 25-03-2020 2:05pm

hots wrote: »

I think we have to hope he's competing for WR2 at most post-draft really.

I'm sure I read last year that Gase plays 3 WR and 1 TE the most out of any coach in the league, with our current roster and even after the draft it's fairly likely we'll need to see more 2TE/2RB sets if we want to be productive.

That sounds right but the problem is Gase rarely if ever deviates from his system so we definitely need better WRs from the draft.
The main issue is that so many holes remain to be filled and it can be argued that Centre is the only position that had been improved in free agency. Every other signing has been like for like or even weakened some positions. At least he took a few shots which could go either way such as Fant or Desir. If they work out Douglas will look good.

hots · 25-03-2020 3:09pm

corner back 2 wrote: »

That sounds right but the problem is Gase rarely if ever deviates from his system so we definitely need better WRs from the draft.
The main issue is that so many holes remain to be filled and it can be argued that Centre is the only position that had been improved in free agency. Every other signing has been like for like or even weakened some positions. At least he took a few shots which could go either way such as Fant or Desir. If they work out Douglas will look good.

I would say WR has been weakened, CB has to be an upgrade over Trumaine, Tackle is definitely a wildcard for now but fingers crossed we get a big one in the draft. The middle 3 on the line of Van Roten, McGovern and Lewis should be a fairly big improvement over any of the combinations last year I think, the new guys are both consistently average and don't give up penalties and Lewis was probably the best of a bad bunch last year. Could see Beachum come back to compete if we don't get a round 1 guy too.

If we go OL,WR,WR,CB/Edge/OL/WR in the first 3 rounds I'd be delighted. 3 WRs or 2 OL sounds excessive but both needs big repair jobs and all our O Line signings are more or less 1 year deals...

phatkev · 25-03-2020 3:10pm

corner back 2 wrote: »

That sounds right but the problem is Gase rarely if ever deviates from his system so we definitely need better WRs from the draft.
The main issue is that so many holes remain to be filled and it can be argued that Centre is the only position that had been improved in free agency. Every other signing has been like for like or even weakened some positions. At least he took a few shots which could go either way such as Fant or Desir. If they work out Douglas will look good.

O-line is definitely still the glaring need. In fairness to Joe Douglas, there wasnt much in the pool of oline FA. I dont think Fant should be a starter at left or right tackle. I think Van Roten will be an upgrade over Winters, Lewis is a below average starter in my opinion, but I'd be happy to proved wrong here. That leaves Right and Left Tackle, I think the best situation they can end up with now is Edoga at RT and a Rookie LT, but the draft would really need to go their way for this to happen

corner back 2 · 25-03-2020 9:57pm

I know he has signed a lot of free agents but only one position has really been improved. Going by last years performances Van Roten, Desir, Fant & Lewis (all projected to start) were average at best and mostly below average. All have potential but none are proven. Combined with weakening the WR position Douglas better have a good draft or it will be another long season a d back to another rebuild again next year.

hots · 26-03-2020 10:26am

corner back 2 wrote: »

I know he has signed a lot of free agents but only one position has really been improved. Going by last years performances Van Roten, Desir, Fant & Lewis (all projected to start) were average at best and mostly below average. All have potential but none are proven. Combined with weakening the WR position Douglas better have a good draft or it will be another long season a d back to another rebuild again next year.

IMO Average and below average are upgrades for us unfortunately. Lewis is a scratch, if Fant starts I'm not expecting much tbh, but there's upside at least (I've not got a very good feeling about him though), Desir > Trumaine and Roten I'm expecting to be better than van Roten and Compton. Winters becomes depth I think at this stage as we don't need the cap space by the looks of things, and as a depth guy he's alright.

Worst case, we end up with a slight downgrade at LT, 3 average guards between two positions isn't too bad, a competent centre and an ok RT with upside. I would hope we add a tackle in the first (don't think there's going to be one at our second pick) which would be an strong LT and then fant and winters as our backup guys... not the worst.

hots · 30-03-2020 1:42pm

https://theathletic.com/1694556/2020/03/30/for-long-island-native-greg-van-roten-joining-the-jets-is-a-dream-come-true/?source=dailyemail

really good article on van roten here on the athletic if you've got a sub (90 days for free at the moment I think). He's come the long way round to get where he is anyway:eek:

corner back 2 · 19-04-2020 5:05pm

Lots of talk this weekend about trading Jamal Adams for picks, maybe a first and a third or fourth. Personally I think this is crazy. I cant understand wanting to trade the best player you have for an unknown draftee that may or may not pan out. There are so many holes on the roster and trading him away just creates another one. The positional value argument doesn't stand up as Adams does things way above the level of other safeties and can hugely affect a game from the safety position. As it stands the Jets could get a LT, 2 WRs, a CB and an IOL with their first 5 picks. This fills most of the holes except for Edge which is a weak class this draft. By trading Adams you would just add safety to the list of needs and probably would have to draft one high to get anywhere near the same level of player. In effect all you are gaining is maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick. Add to the talent already on the roster dont trade it away. Rant over but will be hugely unhappy if he is traded.

hots · 20-04-2020 9:30am

corner back 2 wrote: »

Lots of talk this weekend about trading Jamal Adams for picks, maybe a first and a third or fourth. Personally I think this is crazy. I cant understand wanting to trade the best player you have for an unknown draftee that may or may not pan out. There are so many holes on the roster and trading him away just creates another one. The positional value argument doesn't stand up as Adams does things way above the level of other safeties and can hugely affect a game from the safety position. As it stands the Jets could get a LT, 2 WRs, a CB and an IOL with their first 5 picks. This fills most of the holes except for Edge which is a weak class this draft. By trading Adams you would just add safety to the list of needs and probably would have to draft one high to get anywhere near the same level of player. In effect all you are gaining is maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick. Add to the talent already on the roster dont trade it away. Rant over but will be hugely unhappy if he is traded.

Agreed, he is also worth far more to us than comparitively to other teams, so it makes him even less suited for a trade. I'm hoping it's just paper talk with him shooting for the new contract, but I wouldn't consider less than two firsts which will never happen.

hots · 23-04-2020 12:32pm

Prediction for tonight: Micky Becton for us after the Browns don't take a tackle. Also, Dolphins on paper will look suddenly incredible.

Ideal: Maybe a tradeback with one of the WR needy teams (assuming we don't get a shot at a tackle) and we accumulate enough to end up with 4 of the tier 2 guys at WR, WR, OT & CB.

Nightmare: Kinlaw.

hots · 23-04-2020 12:56pm

Oh, also I have a slight yearning for us to draft Isiah Simmons... It makes no sense and isn't a need, but damn him and Jamal ****ing around causing havoc under MadGregg, it would be incredible.

franglan · 23-04-2020 12:56pm

Like the name Micky Becton:) like a lad you used to foot turf with. I would have concerns over a guy who can't stay clean just before the biggest interview of his life. That has red flags everywhere for me. Grand if you want to smoke a spliff or two but not when you know you are going to be tested and it could cost you millions. Not a good look. I'd go for a guy like Thomas if there at 11. Jets desperately need a number 1 wide receiver but protection of Sam trumps that. What's come in in the off season is a marginally improvement only. For me you take the best offensive line player at 11 and see if you can move up slightly to maybe top of 2 to get a WR, Jets have enough draft picks to do that.

franglan · 23-04-2020 12:58pm

hots wrote: »

Oh, also I have a slight yearning for us to draft Isiah Simmons... It makes no sense and isn't a need, but damn him and Jamal ****ing around causing havoc under MadGregg, it would be incredible.

Hadn't see your latest post but 100% agree. If Simmons is there at 11 absolutely take him. Can't have Adams as your top QB sacker! Super talent - I would be very surprised if he was there for us.

phatkev · 23-04-2020 1:19pm

I'd love it if they got Thomas, but I can see the top 4 tackles making it outside the top 10. Wouldnt mind them taking Josh Jones at 11 either, I dont think he's as big a drop of from the top 4 as people are making out, he might not have the ceiling of Becton but I think he'd be a better day 1 starter.

I wouldnt be massively upset if they went wr at 11 as long as its Jeudy or Lamb, I dont think Ruggs would do to well in a Gase led offense

If they go d-line, i think I'll cry

A Brad Maddox Guy · 23-04-2020 3:20pm

Hoping for Thomas myself but I'd be shocked if he's still there. Bit of talk yesterday from Connor Hughes that the Bucs are looking to jump us for a Tackle, if that happens you'd imagine the big 4 are gone and my preference would be Lamb/Jeudy or trade back and take one of the other tackles with hopefully an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick.

corner back 2 · 23-04-2020 5:42pm

Offensive tackle at 11 and I'll be happy. Looked at Matt Millers 7 round mock on bleacher report today and you be very happy if it turned out like that for the Jets. The only weakness is he only takes 1 WR.

hots · 24-04-2020 2:57am

That'll do, absolute mountain of a man. That O Line has to be looking much more dangerous now, maybe bell won't be hit before the los every run this year ðŸ˜…

phatkev · 24-04-2020 3:00am

hots wrote: »

That'll do, absolute mountain of a man. That O Line has to be looking much more dangerous now, maybe bell won't be hit before the los every run this year &#55357;&#56837;

I think getting a tackle at 11 was the number 1 objective. Becton will definitely need to be coached up, lets hope they have the staff to do this

corner back 2 · 24-04-2020 8:46am

Can't complain about Becton at 11. Hopefully can hold down LT for the long term. 3 more picks today I think. Hopefully at least 1 WR and maybe an interior offensive lineman and a CB.

hots · 24-04-2020 9:30am

corner back 2 wrote: »

Can't complain about Becton at 11. Hopefully can hold down LT for the long term. 3 more picks today I think. Hopefully at least 1 WR and maybe an interior offensive lineman and a CB.

Personally I'd love a double WR dip with our next two picks now (depending on who's available). A rebuilt line (in progress), a new possession WR, a new 'big' WR, solid slot in Crowder and wildcard burner in Perriman and hopefully a refreshed Bell. Would have been a big offseason if we can manage that.

corner back 2 · 25-04-2020 11:02pm

Draft is finally over for the Jets who took 10 players including the trade for Quincy Wilson. It's hard to know what the strategy was on day 2 and 3. Trading back worked to get extra picks but at the end of it all the Jets probably only got 3 immediate starters from the 10 including the punter. Hopefully 3 or 4 of the others will turn into solid contributors. Overall it looks like the roster has been strengthened and some depth added. My main disappointment is only taking 1 WR in a very talented class and adding a developmental QB who was drafted way too early when more important positions could be filled. Bryce Hall could be the steal of the draft if he can regain full health. I would also wonder about trading the last pick for yet another Colts cornerback. I don't remember their secondary being that good at any stage and now we have 3 of their cast offs. Anyway I am happy enough with draft and overall would give it a B-.

phatkev · 25-04-2020 11:28pm

While a lot of the picks are high potential guys, I dont have any faith in Gase unlocking said potential. Especially for the offensive picks.
Douglas said the pretty much took what the board gave them, so I guess he wasnt as high on the WRs in the mid/late rounds as the media seemed to be.
I loved Wilson coming out of college, but Colts fans seem to be very happy to see him gone. I'll be interested to see what Williams can do with him

hots · 27-04-2020 9:14am

phatkev wrote: »

While a lot of the picks are high potential guys, I dont have any faith in Gase unlocking said potential. Especially for the offensive picks.
Douglas said the pretty much took what the board gave them, so I guess he wasnt as high on the WRs in the mid/late rounds as the media seemed to be.
I loved Wilson coming out of college, but Colts fans seem to be very happy to see him gone. I'll be interested to see what Williams can do with him

Agreed on Gase getting the potential, but really he'll only impact Mims, Perine and the UDFAs. I'd have much more faith in Gregg putting together some good looks with the defensive side of the draft.

Overall probably a B grade from me, some good talent picked up, lots of depth, but 1 or 2 offensive pieces less than I wanted. We're going to have to win with the defense in a lot of games this year imo.

Our cuts are going to be interesting, we must have about 15 DBs on the roster now, bearing in mind we've traded or spent decent capital on some of them I'm surprised we went after them as UDFAs too.

D9Male · 27-04-2020 4:04pm

I have it on good authority that the Jets are signing Lamar Jackson.

hots · 27-04-2020 4:10pm

He's already signed afaik

D9Male · 27-04-2020 5:36pm

Yeah, AJ Green to the Browns, too.

corner back 2 · 27-04-2020 8:12pm

Some interesting UDFAs signed but will be very hard for them to make any impact with no OTAs and probably no rookie minicamps this year. Even training camp and preseason could be curtailed/delayed and I have heard mention of a shortened season. Hopefully there will be some football to watch in the Autumn/Winter.

Looking back at the draft again I wish we drafted another Guard/Center and another WR. He could have achieved this in round 4 particularly instead of Perine and Morgan. Anyway I still think it was a solid draft but might only yield 3 day 1 starters including the punter.

hots · 28-04-2020 9:59am

corner back 2 wrote: »

Some interesting UDFAs signed but will be very hard for them to make any impact with no OTAs and probably no rookie minicamps this year. Even training camp and preseason could be curtailed/delayed and I have heard mention of a shortened season. Hopefully there will be some football to watch in the Autumn/Winter.

Looking back at the draft again I wish we drafted another Guard/Center and another WR. He could have achieved this in round 4 particularly instead of Perine and Morgan. Anyway I still think it was a solid draft but might only yield 3 day 1 starters including the punter.

Yeah I certainly would have wanted one more WR at least. iOL I think is fine for this year after the off-season additions, especially when we now have a couple of tackles that could move inside in Edoga and Clarke (he's listed as a guard already on nfl.com weirdly).

When you look at the roster now, we have to be nailing the defensive side of the game, and then really hoping that Bell, Perine and presumably someone else will establish a really strong run game. Sam will have much more time to throw but still only a good slot receiver and and a strong rookie to aim for, with a poor coach to utilise them

franglan · 28-04-2020 9:14pm

Interesting that Gase's son was wearing a #26 Bell jersey during the draft. At least that's one person in the household who's fond of Bell!

hots · 29-04-2020 9:30am

franglan wrote: »

Interesting that Gase's son was wearing a #26 Bell jersey during the draft. At least that's one person in the household who's fond of Bell!

He's also the real genius, solved a rubics cube in a round with a lunatic beside him!

hots · 08-05-2020 8:47am

Schedule is out, not bad in terms of a spread, there's no killer run of 4 unwinnable games in a row or anything. First 8 are tough enough and really we need to be getting some wins from the Bills, Broncos and Cardinals games, maybe 49ers (they're a better team but their strengths play into ours a bit) and Chargers too. Chiefs will batter us and I think the Colts will be decent this year.

Back to back Miami games is a bit funky, Pats-Dolphins-Bye-Dolphins-Raiders... you need to take 3 wins out of that to get to a respectable win number this year I think. The run in is tough, Brown and Patriots hopefully winnable to end the season.

Only bad thing about the schedule is we're going to get off to a rocky start again, no momentum to build and media/fans on the back right from the start.

Super-Optimistic prediction 10 wins
Realistic 7
Pessimistic 4.

Sack Gase on anything less than an 8-8.

phatkev · 08-05-2020 9:17am

Dont see them winning any games on the west coast, they've a horrendous recorded on that front. Throw the Chiefs and 49ers into the loss bracket as well and thats 5 Ls, there is no way they win all 6 AFCE games and the Broncos, Colts and Browns are another tough 3 games.
I know there's always teams that over/under perform when the season actually starts but at this moment in time I dont see them getting more than 5/6 wins
After the Patriots, they have the hardest strength of schedule so I can see the excuses rolling in for Gase already

hots · 08-05-2020 9:28am

phatkev wrote: »

Dont see them winning any games on the west coast, they've a horrendous recorded on that front. Throw the Chiefs and 49ers into the loss bracket as well and thats 5 Ls, there is no way they win all 6 AFCE games and the Broncos, Colts and Browns are another tough 3 games.
I know there's always teams that over/under perform when the season actually starts but at this moment in time I dont see them getting more than 5/6 wins
After the Patriots, they have the hardest strength of schedule so I can see the excuses rolling in for Gase already

I think there's a lot of games that are close enough that you can say Gase (and Williams on D) should shoulder a lot more responsibility I think.

I reckon Seahawks and Chiefs are no hopes (although Seahawks aren't as strong at home as they used to be even). Both LA games pretty similar but small chance of an upset.

I reckon 4 out of 6 would be good enough for our division, a double over the patriots or dolphins would be sweet.

49ers (H) > Colts (A) > Browns (H) > Broncos (H) > Cardinals (H) > Raiders (H) are all differing levels of winnable, but certainly 4 of those could be feasible imo.

I think if the excuses for Gase are "he missed the playoffs but tough SOS" fair enough, but if it's "Jets are picking top 5 in the draft next year, tough SOS" f/ck that.

corner back 2 · 09-05-2020 8:20pm

Would have to put the Jets at 5 or 6 wins based on the schedule. Stories being planted already saying Darnold needs to step up this season. Obviously he does but the offensive game plan needs to improve as well. Gase needs to adapt more to Sam instead of trying to make him into a pocket passer. It would be a shame to see the Jets give up on Sam if the season goes poorly. Worse case scenario would be the Jets going 3-13 blaming the SOS and Sam, and then keeping Gase after we have been forced to watch 39yr old Frank Gore average 2 yds per carry with Bell getting 9 touches a game. My post draft optimism hasn't lasted long this year.

corner back 2 · 22-05-2020 10:52pm

Jets just signed Joe Flacco as a back up QB. No harm having an experienced back up when Sam misses the first 4 games with Covid 19!

franglan · 23-05-2020 12:54pm

Very good move tbh. That puts a nice fire underneath Sam. The guy backing up has a ring.

cj maxx · 23-05-2020 10:57pm

franglan wrote: »

Very good move tbh. That puts a nice fire underneath Sam. The guy backing up has a ring.

I just read up on him ,not the best injury record and is out with a neck injury ATM.

franglan · 23-05-2020 11:42pm

Yep probably won't get much of a preseason due to it. For 1.5 mil it's better than David Fales.

hots · 22-06-2020 1:59pm

So no Adams then by the looks of it. Massive loss to the team but he's behaving like a complete tool, I just hope we still get something half decent from the Cowboys for it.

It also makes the Davis pick far more understandable, an insurance pick that's now going to have to be cashed in. A Safety pairing of him and Maye could be fine in fairness, but what we'll struggle to replace is the QB pressure Adams was generating.

phatkev · 22-06-2020 4:21pm

hots wrote: »

So no Adams then by the looks of it. Massive loss to the team but he's behaving like a complete tool, I just hope we still get something half decent from the Cowboys for it.

It also makes the Davis pick far more understandable, an insurance pick that's now going to have to be cashed in. A Safety pairing of him and Maye could be fine in fairness, but what we'll struggle to replace is the QB pressure Adams was generating.

Seems like a bit of a **** show alright.
I think Maye and Davies are both stronger at FS, so I'm not sure how that would work out

hots · 22-06-2020 5:08pm

phatkev wrote: »

Seems like a bit of a **** show alright.
I think Maye and Davies are both stronger at FS, so I'm not sure how that would work out

I'm expecting Maye to be FS as a safetey (:o) blanket, and Davis more free to move around, it sounded as though he has played some CB and nickel when needed in college and is going to be less reliable than Maye to begin. It's a shame, I was really looking forward to seeing the three of them lining up in weird packages.

phatkev · 25-07-2020 10:13pm

So the Jamal Adams saga has ended

Pros: 2 firsts a third and a player is a serious haul for a player that has openly said they want to leave NY for the last 6 months
I dont think Adams would have made a huge difference to the amount of games won or lost over the next two years
Dont have to deal with any hold out drama

Cons: Have lost an All pro talent
Next years draft is still up in the air seen as there may not be a college season this year
Tipping point seemed to come after Adams publicly gave out about Gase/Johnsons (I'd always side with the player when its between and these 3 idiots!)

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