New York Jets Thread

LuckyLloyd

It's really irritating too, because his final year at Penn was a massive red flag. Accuracy issues at the College level are a real no no for QBs, even when you accept how different the two levels of the game are.

ShyMets

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It's really irritating too, because his final year at Penn was a massive red flag. Accuracy issues at the College level are a real no no for QBs, even when you accept how different the two levels of the game are.

Part of the problem for him is that he was drafted too high. In reality he was really a lower third/fourth round pick.

Drafting him in the second round created a false level of expectation from certain sections of the fan base. Which is understandable as it forty odd years since the team has had a Franchise QB

franglan

From watching only bits and pieces of college football and then following the draft build up intently, even as an observer it was clear that Geno and Hack where overdrafted while watching the draft on the night. The limitations on show in college have only been concentrated in the pros.

LuckyLloyd

ShyMets wrote: »

Part of the problem for him is that he was drafted too high. In reality he was really a lower third/fourth round pick.

Drafting him in the second round created a false level of expectation from certain sections of the fan base. Which is understandable as it forty odd years since the team has had a Franchise QB

Third / fourth round? I don't agree there. I don't see why he should have been drafted at all being honest. And I'm not sure how expectations are hampering him as he had the entire of last season to sit, observe and work on issues and weaknesses in the background. Whether he didn't do that or couldn't - the result is that he is not ready.

Also, Chad Pennington was a fine QB that the Jets gave up on too soon.

ShyMets

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Third / fourth round? I don't agree there. I don't see why he should have been drafted at all being honest. And I'm not sure how expectations are hampering him as he had the entire of last season to sit, observe and work on issues and weaknesses in the background. Whether he didn't do that or couldn't - the result is that he is not ready.

Also, Chad Pennington was a fine QB that the Jets gave up on too soon.

We're both in agreement that he is nowhere near ready. Sn I'm not sure he ever will be.

Pennington has the potential to be great. But he was never the same after those injuries

phatkev

Was just going to say that they couldn't really be faulted for letting Pennington go. He had show on a few occasions that his shoulder was never going to be right and I think the Jets lost all confidence because of that! Miami took a gamble and got one good year out of him before the injuries hindered his progress again. So yeah dont think they can be blamed for that move

ShyMets

phatkev wrote: »

Was just going to say that they couldn't really be faulted for letting Pennington go. He had show on a few occasions that his shoulder was never going to be right and I think the Jets lost all confidence because of that! Miami took a gamble and got one good year out of him before the injuries hindered his progress again. So yeah dont think they can be blamed for that move

While they can't be faulted for letting him go. You could argue that they rushed him back a bit too soon.

How do we reckon Sunday will go. Think we'll keep it to within 7

phatkev

ShyMets wrote: »

How do we reckon Sunday will go. Think we'll keep it to within 7

well I dont think theres a whole lot of difference between the two teams and I think they'll be both picking top 5. I'd say the the Bills will edge it in what is sure to be a horrendous game to watch. but I do think they'll keep it to within 7 and the bookies have them @+8 so I'll definitely throw a few euro on that

corner back 2

The tank is definitely on. Punting the ball away at midfield with 3.30 on the clock and down two scores! Bowles is way out of his depth and to cap it all he thinks Hack is better than Petty! Jesus wept! It's going to be a long season

phatkev

corner back 2 wrote: »

The tank is definitely on. Punting the ball away at midfield with 3.30 on the clock and down two scores! Bowles is way out of his depth and to cap it all he thinks Hack is better than Petty! Jesus wept! It's going to be a long season

Didnt get to watch the game, but Bowles doesn't seemed to have learned anything sense last year if thats the case, lost count of the amount of times he made sh1t decisions like that last year! I thought Petty was injured and that was the only reason he was backup, I could be wrong though. From what I've read the defence was pretty lousy today too

ShyMets

corner back 2 wrote: »

The tank is definitely on. Punting the ball away at midfield with 3.30 on the clock and down two scores! Bowles is way out of his depth and to cap it all he thinks Hack is better than Petty! Jesus wept! It's going to be a long season

Looks way out of his depth. Not sure if they're tanking deliberately. I just think he hasn't got a clue.

Onwards to the Raiders. That should be fun😂

LuckyLloyd

The GM / owner are tanking deliberately given the releasing / trading away of senior players and the failure to try and seriously address key deficiencies in free agency.

The players / coach are obviously going to try and win games, irrespective of being hamstrung from above. In that context, Bowles deciding to punt on fourth down behind by 9 points was silly; as was going for two after the touchdown when an extra point guaranteed to extend the game. They were flat out poor game management decisions.

The bottom line is that Bowles will ultimately be a convenient scapegoat by season's end. He can help his future job prospects by being good with the media; keeping the defense competing physically throughout the season; and making good ingame decisions. These are things he hasn't been great on thus far in his tenure in all honesty, so I'm guessing his remaining gameS of this season will represent the remainder of his time as a head coach in the NFL.

ShyMets

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The GM / owner are tanking deliberately given the releasing / trading away of senior players and the failure to try and seriously address key deficiencies in free agency.

The players / coach are obviously going to try and win games, irrespective of being hamstrung from above. In that context, Bowles deciding to punt on fourth down behind by 9 points was silly; as was going for two after the touchdown when an extra point guaranteed to extend the game. They were flat out poor game management decisions.

The bottom line is that Bowles will ultimately be a convenient scapegoat by season's end. He can help his future job prospects by being good with the media; keeping the defense competing physically throughout the season; and making good ingame decisions. These are things he hasn't been great on thus far in his tenure in all honesty, so I'm guessing his remaining gameS of this season will represent the remainder of his time as a head coach in the NFL.

Your probably right. But do you trust the owners/GM to select correcting in Free Agency/Draft. I don't.

LuckyLloyd

ShyMets wrote: »

Your probably right. But do you trust the owners/GM to select correcting in Free Agency/Draft. I don't.

Not this current regime, no. There's nothing to be positive about right now if I'm being honest. The Tannenbaum / Rex Ryan era was as close as we might get for quite some time. It's hard to believe now that we played in two successive AFC Championship games and had chances in both.

We now need to let the process of starting again play out fully. Get a high draft pick next year, continue to clear down salary and aim to be competitive around a key cornerstone Franchise QB in 2019. It's not an easy path.

While the Jets have never been dominant, in my time following them they've made three AFC Championship games. Between 1997 and 2006 they had just 2 losing seasons in 10, and then had a run encapsulating those two AFC Championship appearances. During a 15 year period from 1997 to 2012 we always had a core of good players throughout the roster. Never enough or the right mix to ultimately win a Superbowl, but there were always things to be positive about. From Martin to Mawawe to Pennington to Coles to Holmes to Revis to Mangold (and that's just a flavour obviously).

The current roster is the most rundown and bereft of talent New York Jets roster that I can remember. And Bowles is right there with Mangini as an uninspiring coach. So it's going to be a depressing few years.

ShyMets

I see Bowels addressed the media and said he had no regrets about his Game Management.

Jesus Wept!! He could have at least admitted that he might have done things differently.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The bottom line is that Bowles will ultimately be a convenient scapegoat by season's end. He can help his future job prospects by being good with the media; keeping the defense competing physically throughout the season; and making good ingame decisions. These are things he hasn't been great on thus far in his tenure in all honesty, so I'm guessing his remaining games of this season will represent the remainder of his time as a head coach in the NFL.

:rolleyes:

phatkev

ShyMets wrote: »

I see Bowels addressed the media and said he had no regrets about his Game Management.

Jesus Wept!! He could have at least admitted that he might have done things differently.

Literally, same sh1te different season. Cant remember what game it was last season but it was a similar situation, were down 2 scores and had a 4th and 4 and kicked it. He said he had complete confidence in his defence to get of the field, regardless to say the defence didn't get of the field and the Jets didn't win the game!

Igotadose

So much for my annual or nearly annual wager with my best friend in the US on the Jets/Raiders. He's the Raider fan. I doubt the Raiders ever trail in the game, should win handily.

There was an editorial this season on ESPN about the Mets entitled "Must Endure The Suffering." As a Jets fan, "Just Endure The Suffering" seems like an apt mantra. They'll get better...someday...perhaps before I shed this mortal coil they'll win another SB.

ShyMets

Igotadose wrote: »

So much for my annual or nearly annual wager with my best friend in the US on the Jets/Raiders. He's the Raider fan. I doubt the Raiders ever trail in the game, should win handily.

There was an editorial this season on ESPN about the Mets entitled "Must Endure The Suffering." As a Jets fan, "Just Endure The Suffering" seems like an apt mantra. They'll get better...someday...perhaps before I shed this mortal coil they'll win another SB.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if the Jets keep this to within 14 points. On Tuesday I watched back the Bills game. The Jets were a total mess. The really fighting thing is that Bills are a poor team. You would fear for the Jets when they play the likes of the Patriots.

On to more pleasant news. My other half bought me the Nemeth Throwback jersey. Should arrive next week. Something to look forward to at least.

Igotadose

ShyMets wrote: »

I'd be pleasantly surprised if the Jets keep this to within 14 points. On Tuesday I watched back the Bills game. The Jets were a total mess. The really fighting thing is that Bills are a poor team. You would fear for the Jets when they play the likes of the Patriots.

On to more pleasant news. My other half bought me the Nemeth Throwback jersey. Should arrive next week. Something to look forward to at least.

My first NFL game was in 1970 Jets v. Bills at Shea. Namath, Boozer, etc. versus The Juice and maybe Steve someone as Bills QB. Jets won as I recall. Namath wasn't impressive; later that yea
r when asked what I wanted for Xmas it was a Bart Starr jersey. Never got it😕

phatkev

I dont think you'll find a worse pair of middle linebackers in the league than Lee and Davis! Absolutely useless

hots

phatkev wrote: »

I dont think you'll find a worse pair of middle linebackers in the league than Lee and Davis! Absolutely useless

I think Lee is alright, had a couple of nice hits... we've been exposed on mid-range coverage for a long time which is their area but if we were putting any sort of pressure on QBs we'd have a far easier time.

Would really like to see Skrine moved inside again, even if it means having to double cover with whoever goes into CB2 instead of him.

And for a "defensive maestro" I'd really like to see Bowles find a way to get some pressure from what's supposedly our most talented unit. We seemed to rush a flat 4 for the whole game yesterday.

phatkev

hots wrote: »

I think Lee is alright, had a couple of nice hits... we've been exposed on mid-range coverage for a long time which is their area but if we were putting any sort of pressure on QBs we'd have a far easier time.

He was getting wrecked on run plays, the Raiders line were tossing him around like he was a little kid!

Would really like to see Skrine moved inside again, even if it means having to double cover with whoever goes into CB2 instead of him.

I thought Skrine did play most of his snaps on the inside with Claibourne and Burris on the outside? I could be wrong though. Speaking of Burris, he's another one that had a really poor game, he gave up two passing TDs and made a pretty feeble attempt at stopping the Oakland RB on one of they're long TD runs. Hopefully its just a once off and can get to the form the Jets coaching staff have been saying he's capable off.

And for a "defensive maestro" I'd really like to see Bowles find a way to get some pressure from what's supposedly our most talented unit. We seemed to rush a flat 4 for the whole game yesterday.

Yeah his defence was terrible, the front 7 looked absolutely lost! Carr got so much time in the pocket all game, cant understand why they didnt run a few more blitz. The offence was meant to be the unit that was putrid this season, but the defence are taking that crown at the moment!


They was a few positives from the game though, the o-line had a great game and kept an extremely talented pass rushing trio relatively quite for the game. Shell is starting to look like someone that may finally be able to lock down the RT position. The two rookie safeties had pretty encouraging games as well. Josh Mccown for all his faults had a nice game, done exactly what was asked of him and he even showed there was some life left in his legs with a couple of decent scrambles. And the fact that they kept with a team that considers themselves superbowl contenders for 2 and a half quarters is encouraging, Right................right???

hots

phatkev wrote: »

He was getting wrecked on run plays, the Raiders line were tossing him around like he was a little kid!



I thought Skrine did play most of his snaps on the inside with Claibourne and Burris on the outside? I could be wrong though. Speaking of Burris, he's another one that had a really poor game, he gave up two passing TDs and made a pretty feeble attempt at stopping the Oakland RB on one of they're long TD runs. Hopefully its just a once off and can get to the form the Jets coaching staff have been saying he's capable off.


Yeah his defence was terrible, the front 7 looked absolutely lost! Carr got so much time in the pocket all game, cant understand why they didnt run a few more blitz. The offence was meant to be the unit that was putrid this season, but the defence are taking that crown at the moment!


They was a few positives from the game though, the o-line had a great game and kept an extremely talented pass rushing trio relatively quite for the game. Shell is starting to look like someone that may finally be able to lock down the RT position. The two rookie safeties had pretty encouraging games as well. Josh Mccown for all his faults had a nice game, done exactly what was asked of him and he even showed there was some life left in his legs with a couple of decent scrambles. And the fact that they kept with a team that considers themselves superbowl contenders for 2 and a half quarters is encouraging, Right................right???

You could be right about Skrine, I thought it was Burris inside, the play that sticks out was when he gave up the TD despite getting a hand to the ball, he's far too short (and not elite talent-wise to make up for it) to play outside.

ShyMets

Well Miami this weekend folks.

How do we see this one going. personally I think we'll be doing very well to keep this to with in 10

stecleary

10 up in the first half

phatkev

its amazing what tackling can do to improve a defence!

phatkev

Also Jamal Adams is playing a stormer, so thats something

phatkev

https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/912026755803774976

Igotadose

huh? what am I seeing here.

I remember the Clock game. I was there.... not over yet.