Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

Timberrrrrrrr · 27-06-2018 2:51pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Look again:

"Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway "

You're making a laugh of them. They've been pushed around and silenced for years, still no investigation.

No

Im.laugjing at YOU not TJEM

Spook_ie · 27-06-2018 2:52pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Any evidence that Gerry Adams was in the IRA?

I condemn all murders from anyone, the IRA, British army, SinnFéin whoever! I already said that I was against murderers pages ago!

We need justice for all the victims, appointing a former ruc man won't help open up the case for the families of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings for example.

Spook_ie wrote: »

I have no doubt that if someone said Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were IRA leaders you'd be asking for proof.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

No because of course they were in the IRA, I don't have proof though. The denials of British security forces involvement in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings is on the same scale as I said.

reminds me of BucksFizz and Making Your Mind Up

FTA69 · 27-06-2018 2:55pm

Foxhound38 wrote: »

He was involved in tearing down the mess you spoke of and establishing the PSNI, which improved things vastly. Hopefully he can do the same with the Gardai, who are similarly in need of a demolish and refurb job.

The IRA, I might remind you, also murdered Irish citizens (including Gardai) on both sides of the border including his father and also engaged in torture, criminality and other human rights abuses. Any dislike he holds towards that organization is entirely warranted and shared by the vast majority of decent people on both sides of the border.

It has been fun to watch shinnerbot heads explode over this on twitter though.

You have a point about the IRA etc but equally I never again want to hear anyone from Fine Gael moaning about the Provisional IRA again when they run off and appoint a man who's day to day business involved working in an organisation that was colluding in the murder of our citizens. It makes a mockery of all the jumping up and down Varadkar and his party colleagues tend to do about SF.

Likewise, people can fairly criticise Adams and co, but the difference is that Adams is an Irish citizen elected by other citizens, he wasn't some functionary appointed from on high.

The Gardai are in serious need of deep reform, I don't think drawing from another poisoned well is the route by which to achieve that.

DONTMATTER · 27-06-2018 2:55pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No

Im.laugjing at YOU not TJEM

The files have gone missing preventing any justice being found, you were laughing about that, hence laughing at them.

DONTMATTER · 27-06-2018 2:56pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

reminds me of BucksFizz and Making Your Mind Up

The point flew right over your head.

hatrickpatrick · 27-06-2018 2:58pm

FTA69 wrote: »

The Gardai are in serious need of deep reform, I don't think drawing from another poisoned well is the route by which to achieve that.

This sums up my own feeling about it, in all honesty. I don't know much about this individual and I sincerely wish him well and hope that he manages to sort out the unimaginable clusterf*ck omnishambles which is our police service, but it feels like he's starting the job with a cloud already hanging over him due to his former membership of what was in essence a state-sponsored terrorist group. The thing is though, he could easily have been one of the good people who joined it in the hopes of trying to fix that clusterf*ck, and I don't know enough about him as an individual to say one way or another. So let's give him a chance and hope for the best.

Taytoland · 27-06-2018 3:45pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

For some reason it wont allow me to reply to thos post

Like I said, this is like denying Gerry Adams was in the IRA. Look it up if you want, I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Especially as you laugh at the victims families.

No one is saying Adams wasn't in the IRA but I guarantee if you start a thread claiming that then you will be hounded for evidence.

I'm also not laughing at anyone but You, your constant refusal to back up any/all claims that you make is what's funny.

A certain poster on here, yes. Think we know who.

27-06-2018 4:53pm

6541 wrote: »

I also wonder is he a member of the Orange Order. If so he needs to declare this.

why?

corner of hells · 27-06-2018 5:49pm

bubblypop wrote: »

why?

So he can book some leave for the marching season ?

Muahahaha · 27-06-2018 5:50pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Anyway just to say, we are talking about the South here. He will get the message I hope that cops are just not patrolling anymore at all, well at least in Dublin. Disgraceful in a capital city. But I blame the Supers, they are the managers, but the tail seems to wag the dog, or maybe it is just precedent. I dunno.

There does not have to be a blanket police presence, but SOME presence would be reassuring. It is so obvious by its absence and I don't know why that is.

There was a Garda Audit released last week which answers the question of why they are not a visible force on the streets - only 44% of Gardai are actually in roles where they face the public.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/only-44-gardai-direct-contact-12642952

Fewer than half of gardai available for duty are engaged in visible policing, it has been revealed.

An audit discovered just 44% of fully-trained officers are involved in direct contact with the public.

The figure was uncovered by an RTE Freedom Of Information request and is understood to be in contravention of the force’s own policing plan.

It is also against recommendations by the Garda Inspectorate which said there should be the maximum number of officers dedicated to conducting high-visibility patrols.

The Garda Internal Audit Committee, which carried out the report, described the number as “low”.

On top of that the audit found that 6,000 odd juvenile offenders were never prosecuted by the Gardai, its pretty shocking stuff as it sends the message out that they can do anything and get away with it

Meanwhile, preliminary findings of an audit found the Garda never pursued between 6,000 and 7,000 juvenile offenders who committed crimes from 2010 to the end of last year.

The children and teens were deemed unsuitable for admittance into the juvenile liaison system due to the seriousness of the offences involved.

Garda authorities are set to discipline the officers involved.

Yamanoto · 27-06-2018 6:38pm

I look forward to the high-vis sash making an appearance on the uniform.

The appointment reinforces the positive nature of the relationship & the level of meaningful cooperation that now goes on between AGS & PSNI. A Patten-style teardown & rebuild is what's needed in this jurisdiction.

Galwayguy35 · 27-06-2018 7:52pm

I never thought I'd see the day an ex RUC guy would be top dog in the Guards.

Yer Da sells Avon · 27-06-2018 7:55pm

Some of the reactions to this appointment put me in mind of Blazing Saddles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAELs42aZt4

Dr Brown · 27-06-2018 7:59pm

They should have appointed Padraig Nally as Garda Commissioner.

D Trent · 27-06-2018 8:02pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

They should have appointed Padraig Nally as Garda Commissioner.

And what's wrong with Conor McGregors credentials??

end of the road · 27-06-2018 8:09pm

bubblypop wrote: »

why?

because they represent views and cultural ideals that were (and in some cases still are) hostile toards all things irish.

Mikenesson · 27-06-2018 8:19pm

I'm optimistic about this

He seems to be a top man

Has to be a big improvement after Callaghan and Sullivan

An Claidheamh · 27-06-2018 8:35pm

Taytoland wrote: »

For God and Ulster Drew!

Funny you say that.

Drew Harris is part of an agenda to integrate unionists into a United Ireland.

This follows a former unionist being appointed to the Seanad.

No doubt Varadkar can then use this as balance when he goes into coalition with Sinn Féin.
Actually quite clever.

Times they are a changing.

Do Dhia Agus Éireann mo chara.

An Claidheamh · 27-06-2018 8:42pm

The fact is this man was part of the sectarian RUC, he colluded and effectively was part of a terrorist organisation.
His father was killed because of that.

He most likely helped in the murder of innocent Irish people for the British state just like Fg and Labour and covered them up if even necessary.

People are very naive if they anything will happen to Gerry Adam's or from the Smith Wick tribunal just because he's the new commissioner.
Nothing will.

However, he'll be branded a traitor by unionists.

If he is willing to swear an oath of allegiance to Ireland and shows up his predecessors then I'm happy.

Hope he does a good job.

An Claidheamh · 27-06-2018 8:53pm

Aegir wrote: »

wrong way dear chap.

Best dig out those union flags you've been keeping in store for all those years.

God save our gra.............

Sure Aegir,

Britain is breaking up. Becoming weaker and weaker.

Support for a united Ireland is growing everyday.

Unionists are taking positions in the Irish civil service and Oireachtas, swearing allegiance to Ireland and moving on from the past.

And you believe, an old lady in London with magical powers is going to conquer Ireland ....... with her sword.

Hard to believe there was a time when Irish unionists or the UK were actually respected in Dublin.

tayto lover · 27-06-2018 9:04pm

Mikenesson wrote: »

I'm optimistic about this

He seems to be a top man

Has to be a big improvement after Callaghan and Sullivan

His past is just as chequered as theirs. Ask the Miami survivors.

An Claidheamh · 27-06-2018 9:06pm

timthumbni wrote: »

West brits????

Wtf are you a mod on exactly????? The drunk, crying, tricolour pants wearing republican forum?????.

We don't think you're a West Brit Timthumbni, you're Irish just like the rest of us.

But how do you think Harris serving and swearing allegiance to Ireland will go down in the North amongst the those who claim the Gardaí helped take out some of the RUC and their fellow travellers?

ohnonotgmail · 27-06-2018 9:07pm

tayto lover wrote: »

His past is just as chequered as theirs. Ask the Miami survivors.

What part did drew take in this considering it took place 8 years before he joined the RUC?

tayto lover · 27-06-2018 9:10pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

What part did drew take in this considering it took place 8 years before he joined the RUC?

They tried to get information through his office in the recent past but met a wall of silence. I can't copy and paste on this gadget but just check out the RTE news site for an interview with Stephen Travers this morning.

ohnonotgmail · 27-06-2018 9:12pm

tayto lover wrote: »

They tried to get through his office in the recent past but met a wall of silence. I can't copy and paste on this gadget but just check out the RTE news site for an interview with Stephen Travers this morning.

how is that evidence of his checkered past?

tayto lover · 27-06-2018 9:16pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how is that evidence of his checkered past?

Because he refused to name names or give the information they required. He refused to help victims therefore I can't see him being any different in his new role.

mynamejeff · 27-06-2018 9:29pm

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/i-believe-gerry-adams-wasnt-in-ira-says-sinn-feins-mary-lou-mcdonald-37055161.html

Sinn Fein President Mary Lou McDonald has said that she believes the claim from her predecessor Gerry Adams that he was never a member of the IRA.

She that she believed "the IRA have gone away" and denied that the IRA Army Council was still directing Sinn Fein policy.

The Sinn Fein leader also stood by comments in which she called alleged former IRA Chief of Staff Thomas 'Slab' Murphy a 'good republican'.

this link is from today.

when they are still coming out with this crap its like talking to some one with a very strong delusion

27-06-2018 9:32pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Sure Aegir,

Britain is breaking up. Becoming weaker and weaker.

What someone bought a massive saw and started cutting Wales and Scotland off did they?

ohnonotgmail · 27-06-2018 9:33pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Because he refused to name names or give the information they required. He refused to help victims therefore I can't see him being any different in his new role.

you presume he had the information and the authority to release it.

corner of hells · 27-06-2018 9:54pm

I was hoping for somebody from the Shin Bet or maybe someone like Lavrentiy Beria.

Taytoland · 27-06-2018 9:56pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

For God and Ulster Drew!

Funny you say that.

Drew Harris is part of an agenda to integrate unionists into a United Ireland.

This follows a former unionist being appointed to the Seanad.

No doubt Varadkar can then use this as balance when he goes into coalition with Sinn Féin.
Actually quite clever.

Times they are a changing.

Do Dhia Agus Éireann mo chara.

And a billion people are living on the moon!:woot:

Del.Monte · 27-06-2018 10:01pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

The fact is this man was part of the sectarian RUC, he colluded and effectively was part of a terrorist organisation.
His father was killed because of that.

He most likely helped in the murder of innocent Irish people for the British state just like Fg and Labour and covered them up if even necessary.

People are very naive if they anything will happen to Gerry Adam's or from the Smith Wick tribunal just because he's the new commissioner.
Nothing will.

However, he'll be branded a traitor by unionists.

If he is willing to swear an oath of allegiance to Ireland and shows up his predecessors then I'm happy.

Hope he does a good job.

Do you have a link to that as it's news to me? Was his mother part of a 'terrorist' organisation too and she was injured when the car was blown up.

tayto lover · 27-06-2018 10:08pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you presume he had the information and the authority to release it.

Yes.
You obviously don't. Good man.

well spoken man · 27-06-2018 10:36pm

Only good cop is a dead one.......

archer22 · 27-06-2018 10:43pm

Well I can see why the Unionists don't want to join this dump after reading through most of the posts here!!

Frankly I think they should consider building a wall along the border.

riffmongous · 27-06-2018 11:30pm

archer22 wrote: »

Well I can see why the Unionists don't want to join this dump after reading through most of the posts here!!

Frankly I think they should consider building a wall along the border.

Ah come on, this is all tame compared to what certain other unionists get up to up there, wait till the 12th thread

Kristopherus · 28-06-2018 2:28am

Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D

tayto lover · 28-06-2018 10:39am

Stephen Travers described his appointment as "leaving a fox in charge of the henhouse".
Change just for the sake of change does not work and this change is like replacing like with like. I don't like it. Surely we could have done better.

tayto lover · 28-06-2018 10:41am

Kristopherus wrote: »

Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D

He will be in charge of arrangements for the Pope's visit too

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2018 10:46am

tayto lover wrote: »

He will be in charge of arrangements for the Pope's visit too

sorry to disappoint but he doesnt start in his new post until after the Pope's visit.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 28-06-2018 8:14pm

well spoken man wrote: »

Only good cop is a dead one.......

Mod note: well spoken man, don't post in this thread again.

Buford T. Justice

corner of hells · 28-06-2018 8:22pm

Kristopherus wrote: »

Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D

Will he wear a poppy ?

JupiterKid · 29-06-2018 1:12am

It was long overdue for AGS to have a Commissioner appointed externally. His background is inconsequential. If he's up to the top job then its all for the better. AGS needs root and branch reform and he may just be the man to do it.

I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.

end of the road · 29-06-2018 1:35am

JupiterKid wrote: »

It was long overdue fir AGS to have a Superintendent appointed externally. His background is inconsequential.

except it's not inconsequential. the fact he was a former RUC member means he is going to have some people suspicious of him from the get go. a huge eye needs to be kept upon him.

JupiterKid wrote: »

I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.

and lets hope they do. they have a legitimate complaint.

suicide_circus · 29-06-2018 4:05am

Hopefully he kicks a lot of holes and puts an end to the rot within the organisation that has seen its respect and reputation suffer so much.

Captain Obvious · 29-06-2018 7:43am

JupiterKid wrote: »

It was long overdue for AGS to have a Superintendent appointed externally. His background is inconsequential. If he's up to the top job then its all for the better. AGS needs root and branch reform and he may just be the man to do it.

I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.

Superintendent? His job is quite a bit above that.

alaimacerc · 29-06-2018 8:26am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Superintendent? His job is quite a bit above that.

People are often very sloppy about garda, police and indeed military ranks, in a way that I can only imagine causes petits mals in the organisations -- leave alone the individuals -- concerned. A recent TV report called the commissioner of the Met the "Commander" (which similarly, is an actual rank too, but one about four more junior). UK chief constables, Deputy CCs, and Assistant CC are all different ranks, but get captioned and introduced interchangeably. "Lieutenant Commanders" regularly turn into "Lieutenants", also v. bad for their pension outcomes, were this the case. Plus of course the pronunciation of the word "Lieutenant" itself is always a "which side of the pond" lottery.

alaimacerc · 29-06-2018 8:28am

end of the road wrote: »

except it's not inconsequential. the fact he was a former RUC member means he is going to have some people suspicious of him from the get go. a huge eye needs to be kept upon him.

So, the problem is that people will be distrustful of him, and the solution, is to be distrustful of him.

It's the old "causing your own problem, the better to complain about it" strategy again, isn't it.

alaimacerc · 29-06-2018 8:31am

Kristopherus wrote: »

Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D

Please don't be seconding him to the AGS band. His salary and allowances package would likely go up another €50k, and he'd stop showing up for some bits of the original job.

alaimacerc · 29-06-2018 8:33am

JupiterKid wrote: »

I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.

They're not as well able for the barstool any more, what with the DVT, varicosity, lumbago, etc.

Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

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