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Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Look again:

    "Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway :D"

    You're making a laugh of them. They've been pushed around and silenced for years, still no investigation.

    No

    Im.laugjing at YOU not TJEM


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Any evidence that Gerry Adams was in the IRA?

    I condemn all murders from anyone, the IRA, British army, SinnFéin whoever! I already said that I was against murderers pages ago!

    We need justice for all the victims, appointing a former ruc man won't help open up the case for the families of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings for example.


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    I have no doubt that if someone said Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were IRA leaders you'd be asking for proof.
    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    No because of course they were in the IRA, I don't have proof though. The denials of British security forces involvement in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings is on the same scale as I said.

    reminds me of BucksFizz and Making Your Mind Up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    He was involved in tearing down the mess you spoke of and establishing the PSNI, which improved things vastly. Hopefully he can do the same with the Gardai, who are similarly in need of a demolish and refurb job.

    The IRA, I might remind you, also murdered Irish citizens (including Gardai) on both sides of the border including his father and also engaged in torture, criminality and other human rights abuses. Any dislike he holds towards that organization is entirely warranted and shared by the vast majority of decent people on both sides of the border.

    It has been fun to watch shinnerbot heads explode over this on twitter though.

    You have a point about the IRA etc but equally I never again want to hear anyone from Fine Gael moaning about the Provisional IRA again when they run off and appoint a man who's day to day business involved working in an organisation that was colluding in the murder of our citizens. It makes a mockery of all the jumping up and down Varadkar and his party colleagues tend to do about SF.

    Likewise, people can fairly criticise Adams and co, but the difference is that Adams is an Irish citizen elected by other citizens, he wasn't some functionary appointed from on high.

    The Gardai are in serious need of deep reform, I don't think drawing from another poisoned well is the route by which to achieve that.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    No

    Im.laugjing at YOU not TJEM

    The files have gone missing preventing any justice being found, you were laughing about that, hence laughing at them.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    reminds me of BucksFizz and Making Your Mind Up

    The point flew right over your head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    FTA69 wrote: »
    The Gardai are in serious need of deep reform, I don't think drawing from another poisoned well is the route by which to achieve that.

    This sums up my own feeling about it, in all honesty. I don't know much about this individual and I sincerely wish him well and hope that he manages to sort out the unimaginable clusterf*ck omnishambles which is our police service, but it feels like he's starting the job with a cloud already hanging over him due to his former membership of what was in essence a state-sponsored terrorist group. The thing is though, he could easily have been one of the good people who joined it in the hopes of trying to fix that clusterf*ck, and I don't know enough about him as an individual to say one way or another. So let's give him a chance and hope for the best.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    For some reason it wont allow me to reply to thos post
    Like I said, this is like denying Gerry Adams was in the IRA. Look it up if you want, I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Especially as you laugh at the victims families.

    No one is saying Adams wasn't in the IRA but I guarantee if you start a thread claiming that then you will be hounded for evidence.

    I'm also not laughing at anyone but You, your constant refusal to back up any/all claims that you make is what's funny.
    A certain poster on here, yes. Think we know who.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    6541 wrote: »
    I also wonder is he a member of the Orange Order. If so he needs to declare this.

    why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    bubblypop wrote: »
    why?

    So he can book some leave for the marching season ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha



    Anyway just to say, we are talking about the South here. He will get the message I hope that cops are just not patrolling anymore at all, well at least in Dublin. Disgraceful in a capital city. But I blame the Supers, they are the managers, but the tail seems to wag the dog, or maybe it is just precedent. I dunno.

    There does not have to be a blanket police presence, but SOME presence would be reassuring. It is so obvious by its absence and I don't know why that is.

    There was a Garda Audit released last week which answers the question of why they are not a visible force on the streets - only 44% of Gardai are actually in roles where they face the public.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/only-44-gardai-direct-contact-12642952
    Fewer than half of gardai available for duty are engaged in visible policing, it has been revealed.

    An audit discovered just 44% of fully-trained officers are involved in direct contact with the public.


    The figure was uncovered by an RTE Freedom Of Information request and is understood to be in contravention of the force’s own policing plan.

    It is also against recommendations by the Garda Inspectorate which said there should be the maximum number of officers dedicated to conducting high-visibility patrols.

    The Garda Internal Audit Committee, which carried out the report, described the number as “low”.

    On top of that the audit found that 6,000 odd juvenile offenders were never prosecuted by the Gardai, its pretty shocking stuff as it sends the message out that they can do anything and get away with it
    Meanwhile, preliminary findings of an audit found the Garda never pursued between 6,000 and 7,000 juvenile offenders who committed crimes from 2010 to the end of last year.

    The children and teens were deemed unsuitable for admittance into the juvenile liaison system due to the seriousness of the offences involved.

    Garda authorities are set to discipline the officers involved.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    I look forward to the high-vis sash making an appearance on the uniform.

    The appointment reinforces the positive nature of the relationship & the level of meaningful cooperation that now goes on between AGS & PSNI. A Patten-style teardown & rebuild is what's needed in this jurisdiction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I never thought I'd see the day an ex RUC guy would be top dog in the Guards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Some of the reactions to this appointment put me in mind of Blazing Saddles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Dr Brown


    They should have appointed Padraig Nally as Garda Commissioner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭D Trent


    Dr Brown wrote: »
    They should have appointed Padraig Nally as Garda Commissioner.
    And what's wrong with Conor McGregors credentials??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bubblypop wrote: »
    why?

    because they represent views and cultural ideals that were (and in some cases still are) hostile toards all things irish.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Mikenesson


    I'm optimistic about this

    He seems to be a top man

    Has to be a big improvement after Callaghan and Sullivan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Taytoland wrote: »
    For God and Ulster Drew!


    Funny you say that.

    Drew Harris is part of an agenda to integrate unionists into a United Ireland.

    This follows a former unionist being appointed to the Seanad.

    No doubt Varadkar can then use this as balance when he goes into coalition with Sinn Féin.
    Actually quite clever.

    Times they are a changing.

    Do Dhia Agus Éireann mo chara.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    The fact is this man was part of the sectarian RUC, he colluded and effectively was part of a terrorist organisation.
    His father was killed because of that.

    He most likely helped in the murder of innocent Irish people for the British state just like Fg and Labour and covered them up if even necessary.

    People are very naive if they anything will happen to Gerry Adam's or from the Smith Wick tribunal just because he's the new commissioner.
    Nothing will.

    However, he'll be branded a traitor by unionists.

    If he is willing to swear an oath of allegiance to Ireland and shows up his predecessors then I'm happy.

    Hope he does a good job.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Aegir wrote: »
    wrong way dear chap.

    Best dig out those union flags you've been keeping in store for all those years.

    God save our gra.............

    Sure Aegir,

    Britain is breaking up. Becoming weaker and weaker.

    Support for a united Ireland is growing everyday.

    Unionists are taking positions in the Irish civil service and Oireachtas, swearing allegiance to Ireland and moving on from the past.

    And you believe, an old lady in London with magical powers is going to conquer Ireland ....... with her sword.

    Hard to believe there was a time when Irish unionists or the UK were actually respected in Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,211 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Mikenesson wrote: »
    I'm optimistic about this

    He seems to be a top man

    Has to be a big improvement after Callaghan and Sullivan

    His past is just as chequered as theirs. Ask the Miami survivors.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    timthumbni wrote: »
    West brits????

    Wtf are you a mod on exactly????? The drunk, crying, tricolour pants wearing republican forum?????.



    We don't think you're a West Brit Timthumbni, you're Irish just like the rest of us.

    But how do you think Harris serving and swearing allegiance to Ireland will go down in the North amongst the those who claim the Gardaí helped take out some of the RUC and their fellow travellers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    His past is just as chequered as theirs. Ask the Miami survivors.

    What part did drew take in this considering it took place 8 years before he joined the RUC?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,211 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    What part did drew take in this considering it took place 8 years before he joined the RUC?

    They tried to get information through his office in the recent past but met a wall of silence. I can't copy and paste on this gadget but just check out the RTE news site for an interview with Stephen Travers this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    They tried to get through his office in the recent past but met a wall of silence. I can't copy and paste on this gadget but just check out the RTE news site for an interview with Stephen Travers this morning.

    how is that evidence of his checkered past?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,211 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    how is that evidence of his checkered past?

    Because he refused to name names or give the information they required. He refused to help victims therefore I can't see him being any different in his new role.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/i-believe-gerry-adams-wasnt-in-ira-says-sinn-feins-mary-lou-mcdonald-37055161.html

    Sinn Fein President Mary Lou McDonald has said that she believes the claim from her predecessor Gerry Adams that he was never a member of the IRA.

    She that she believed "the IRA have gone away" and denied that the IRA Army Council was still directing Sinn Fein policy.

    The Sinn Fein leader also stood by comments in which she called alleged former IRA Chief of Staff Thomas 'Slab' Murphy a 'good republican'.


    this link is from today.


    when they are still coming out with this crap its like talking to some one with a very strong delusion


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sure Aegir,

    Britain is breaking up. Becoming weaker and weaker.

    What someone bought a massive saw and started cutting Wales and Scotland off did they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Because he refused to name names or give the information they required. He refused to help victims therefore I can't see him being any different in his new role.

    you presume he had the information and the authority to release it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I was hoping for somebody from the Shin Bet or maybe someone like Lavrentiy Beria.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Taytoland wrote: »
    For God and Ulster Drew!


    Funny you say that.

    Drew Harris is part of an agenda to integrate unionists into a United Ireland.

    This follows a former unionist being appointed to the Seanad.

    No doubt Varadkar can then use this as balance when he goes into coalition with Sinn Féin.
    Actually quite clever.

    Times they are a changing.

    Do Dhia Agus Éireann mo chara.
    And a billion people are living on the moon!:woot:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    The fact is this man was part of the sectarian RUC, he colluded and effectively was part of a terrorist organisation.
    His father was killed because of that.

    He most likely helped in the murder of innocent Irish people for the British state just like Fg and Labour and covered them up if even necessary.

    People are very naive if they anything will happen to Gerry Adam's or from the Smith Wick tribunal just because he's the new commissioner.
    Nothing will.

    However, he'll be branded a traitor by unionists.

    If he is willing to swear an oath of allegiance to Ireland and shows up his predecessors then I'm happy.

    Hope he does a good job.

    Do you have a link to that as it's news to me? Was his mother part of a 'terrorist' organisation too and she was injured when the car was blown up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,211 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    you presume he had the information and the authority to release it.

    Yes.
    You obviously don't. Good man.


  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭well spoken man


    Only good cop is a dead one.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Well I can see why the Unionists don't want to join this dump after reading through most of the posts here!!

    Frankly I think they should consider building a wall along the border.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    archer22 wrote: »
    Well I can see why the Unionists don't want to join this dump after reading through most of the posts here!!

    Frankly I think they should consider building a wall along the border.

    Ah come on, this is all tame compared to what certain other unionists get up to up there, wait till the 12th thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,211 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Stephen Travers described his appointment as "leaving a fox in charge of the henhouse".
    Change just for the sake of change does not work and this change is like replacing like with like. I don't like it. Surely we could have done better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,211 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D

    He will be in charge of arrangements for the Pope's visit too :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    He will be in charge of arrangements for the Pope's visit too :D




    sorry to disappoint but he doesnt start in his new post until after the Pope's visit.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Only good cop is a dead one.......
    Mod note: well spoken man, don't post in this thread again.


    Buford T. Justice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D

    Will he wear a poppy ?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    It was long overdue for AGS to have a Commissioner appointed externally. His background is inconsequential. If he's up to the top job then its all for the better. AGS needs root and branch reform and he may just be the man to do it.

    I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,139 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    It was long overdue fir AGS to have a Superintendent appointed externally. His background is inconsequential.

    except it's not inconsequential. the fact he was a former RUC member means he is going to have some people suspicious of him from the get go. a huge eye needs to be kept upon him.
    JupiterKid wrote: »
    I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.

    and lets hope they do. they have a legitimate complaint.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Hopefully he kicks a lot of holes and puts an end to the rot within the organisation that has seen its respect and reputation suffer so much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    It was long overdue for AGS to have a Superintendent appointed externally. His background is inconsequential. If he's up to the top job then its all for the better. AGS needs root and branch reform and he may just be the man to do it.

    I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.


    Superintendent? His job is quite a bit above that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Superintendent? His job is quite a bit above that.

    People are often very sloppy about garda, police and indeed military ranks, in a way that I can only imagine causes petits mals in the organisations -- leave alone the individuals -- concerned. A recent TV report called the commissioner of the Met the "Commander" (which similarly, is an actual rank too, but one about four more junior). UK chief constables, Deputy CCs, and Assistant CC are all different ranks, but get captioned and introduced interchangeably. "Lieutenant Commanders" regularly turn into "Lieutenants", also v. bad for their pension outcomes, were this the case. Plus of course the pronunciation of the word "Lieutenant" itself is always a "which side of the pond" lottery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    except it's not inconsequential. the fact he was a former RUC member means he is going to have some people suspicious of him from the get go. a huge eye needs to be kept upon him.

    So, the problem is that people will be distrustful of him, and the solution, is to be distrustful of him.

    It's the old "causing your own problem, the better to complain about it" strategy again, isn't it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Will he stand & salute for the Irish National Anthem? And will he sing it ????:D

    Please don't be seconding him to the AGS band. His salary and allowances package would likely go up another €50k, and he'd stop showing up for some bits of the original job.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    I predict the usual armchair republicans will be foaming at the mouth.
    They're not as well able for the barstool any more, what with the DVT, varicosity, lumbago, etc.


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