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Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

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  • #6102
    [Deleted User]
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    celticWario wrote: »
    Conor lost because it just wasn't the right time to win rn, Conor will beat Dustin then Khabib will come back and Conor will get revenge, then he'll defend against Dustin and Tony and go on to take on the winner of Usman and Burns to do the double again.

    I'm going to award this a 6/10.


  • #6103
    crybaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭crybaby


    The thing that baffles me is how did John Kavanagh not stop Conor and say "Look the way you are doing this boxing stance, we are going to be get dismantled exactly like how we dismantled Diaz in the 2nd fight"?

    They were at odds about the game plan for the Khabib fight and that they were beaten by the most obvious strategy in this fight, maybe better if McGregor went and worked with someone who would actually tell him exactly what to do?


  • #6104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    crybaby wrote: »
    The thing that baffles me is how did John Kavanagh not stop Conor and say "Look the way you are doing this boxing stance, we are going to be get dismantled exactly like how we dismantled Diaz in the 2nd fight"?

    They were at odds about the game plan for the Khabib fight and that they were beaten by the most obvious strategy in this fight, maybe better if McGregor went and worked with someone who would actually tell him exactly what to do?

    Maybe the problem is Conor.


  • #6105
    Esse85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭Esse85


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Maybe the problem is Conor.

    Exactly, I think Conor feels so badly burnt on the advice he took in preparation for the Khabib fight that he took it apon himself to train for the Dustin fight the way he wanted to, while taking into account a fight with Manny later in the year. The result is he underestimated Dustin and we all know what happened then.

    The man who chases two rabbits catches none. Focus on boxing or MMA, but you can't do both.


  • #6106
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,840 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    crybaby wrote: »
    The thing that baffles me is how did John Kavanagh not stop Conor and say "Look the way you are doing this boxing stance, we are going to be get dismantled exactly like how we dismantled Diaz in the 2nd fight"?

    They were at odds about the game plan for the Khabib fight and that they were beaten by the most obvious strategy in this fight, maybe better if McGregor went and worked with someone who would actually tell him exactly what to do?

    Because Conor is surrounded by yes men. He needs to move to a team in America


  • #6107
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Because Conor is surrounded by yes men. He needs to move to a team in America

    Where ? Which teams does he move to that will improve him at this stage ?
    Which team does he not have a direct rival at ?
    IV heard people say Tri Star but they haven't really had much success bar GSP .

    Conor is 32 year old with 3kids and more importantly a millionaire ore than a few times over, he seems to be loving his life floating around on yachts in the med ,

    Not sure he would be arsed moving somewhere the states to be training full time and grinding day in day ,Them days are well and truly gone ,

    Conor has achieved what there all still chasing and thats the cash ,no ones interested in the title anymore its just the money fights,


  • #6108
    Legend_DIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Legend_DIT


    Maybe I'm wrong here but given the amount of money/prestige Conor would bring with his clientele, would most new training gyms who want to work with Conor not also turn into yes men, in order to keep him onside?

    I imagine the ones who would be prepared to treat him like every other fighter would also not touch him with a bargepole.


  • #6109
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    The mental gymnastics in this thread. McG only lost because (insert excuse).

    He lost because Dustin dustin is better pretty simple really.

    McG doesn't need people to come up with excuses he is perfectly capable of making up his own excuses


  • #6110
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    JJayoo wrote: »
    The mental gymnastics in this thread. McG only lost because (insert excuse).

    He lost because Dustin dustin is better pretty simple really.

    McG doesn't need people to come up with excuses he is perfectly capable of making up his own excuses

    So there's no way he could possibly beat him in a rematch? MMA doesn't work like that.
    Cormier beat Stipe because he's better?
    Stipe beat Cormier because he's better?
    I don't see many people 'making excuses'. People are discussing the fight. It's an MMA forum. What else should they be discussing? I don't see anyone saying McGregor deserved to win. Poirier won fair and square. Better man on the night. Who knows what happens in a rematch?
    I don't even think there should be an immediate rematch FWIW.


  • #6111
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    JJayoo wrote:
    McG doesn't need people to come up with excuses he is perfectly capable of making up his own excuses
    McGregor said he was beaten fair and square.


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  • #6112
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    eagle eye wrote: »
    McGregor said he was beaten fair and square.

    "I was beaten fair and square, no excuses. But here's a list of my excuses........."

    giphy.gif


  • #6113
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    MrStuffins wrote:
    "I was beaten fair and square, no excuses. But here's a list of my excuses........."
    Did he say that? Have you links to his comments?


  • #6114
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Did he say that? Have you links to his comments?

    I'm sure you can find them.


  • #6115
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    MrStuffins wrote:
    I'm sure you can find them.
    If you are claiming it you should be posting links.


  • #6116
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    eagle eye wrote: »
    If you are claiming it you should be posting links.

    D10-gZKF4LN_R7lN7WVCxwtP9UU=.gif


  • #6117
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    In fairness, I heard him give reasons why he lost, as opposed to excuses.


  • #6118
    OneLungDavy
    Registered Users Posts: 367 ✭✭OneLungDavy


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    In fairness, I heard him give reasons why he lost, as opposed to excuses.
    Some people don't know the difference it seems.


  • #6119
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    OneLungDavy wrote: »
    Some people don't know the difference it seems.

    Yeah, it's like a football manager saying after a match- 'We lost tonight because we gave the opposition too much time on the ball, they were sharper than us and capitalised on our poor defending' and people saying - 'STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!'


  • #6120
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    To be fair, you're right. He gave reasons as to why he lost and not excuses.

    I was wrong here.


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  • #6121
    Legend_DIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Legend_DIT


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    To be fair, you're right. He gave reasons as to why he lost and not excuses.

    I was wrong here.

    I wish more people were able to make posts like this so fair play.


  • #6122
    hots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    To be fair, you're right. He gave reasons as to why he lost and not excuses.

    I was wrong here.

    Jesus someone admitting they're wrong on the internet, someone frame this.


  • #6123
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Still Ill wrote: »
    So there's no way he could possibly beat him in a rematch? MMA doesn't work like that.
    Cormier beat Stipe because he's better?
    Stipe beat Cormier because he's better?
    .

    Ya when cornier beat stipe he was better = he won
    And in the rematches stipe was better so = he won.
    Fighters adapt/change.

    "So there's no way he could possibly beat him in a rematch? MMA doesn't work like that"

    Strawman? Or are you having a conversation with yourself?


  • #6124
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    JJayoo wrote: »
    The mental gymnastics in this thread. McG only lost because (insert excuse).

    He lost because Dustin dustin is better pretty simple really.

    McG doesn't need people to come up with excuses he is perfectly capable of making up his own excuses
    JJayoo wrote: »
    Ya when cornier beat stipe he was better = he won
    And in the rematches stipe was better so = he won.
    Fighters adapt/change.

    "So there's no way he could possibly beat him in a rematch? MMA doesn't work like that"

    Strawman? Or are you having a conversation with yourself?

    What are you even talking about? I was replying to the fact you said he lost because Dustin is better. I was pointing out that people weren't making excuses, they were discussing where he went wrong. I was using the Cormier v Miocic analogy to highlight that just because you lose to someone doesn't necessarily mean you're worse than someone. Two fighters could fight ten times and end up 5-5.
    Why don't you think it's possible for McGregor to adapt/change and what's your problem with people discussing how he can adapt?


  • #6125
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Still Ill wrote: »
    Why don't you think it's possible for McGregor to adapt/change and what's your problem with people discussing how he can adapt?

    Is that you Cathy?

    Seriously what's with all the strawman arguments?

    I said dustin is better and that is true until Mcgregor beats him or beats a fighter ranked higher than dustin.


  • #6126
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Is that you Cathy?

    Seriously what's with all the strawman arguments?

    I said dustin is better and that is true until Mcgregor beats him or beats a fighter ranked higher than dustin.

    No problem with you thinking he's better. He may well be. I hope Poirier beats him in a rematch. I feel like his dedication to the sport over the last few years deserves it over McGregor.
    Just didn't get your point regarding people discussing where McGregor went wrong and what gameplan changes he could implement in a rematch amounted to 'mental gymnastics' and making excuses. That, coupled with the fact you said that Poirier won simply because he is better, I took that to mean you didn't believe McGregor could win a rematch. No strawman there.


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  • #6127
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    In fairness, I heard him give reasons why he lost, as opposed to excuses.

    Spot on. I said the same post fight when people where talking about excses.
    Saying "this is what happened" is not an excuse. It's a
    Still Ill wrote: »
    What are you even talking about? I was replying to the fact you said he lost because Dustin is better. I was pointing out that people weren't making excuses, they were discussing where he went wrong.

    But there actually have been a number of excuses rolled out here since the fight.

    He gassed/his cardio
    He stance is all wrong since the Mayweather fight
    He had no gameplan/corner were unable to address the leg kicks
    He's surrounded by yes men who didn't train him well
    Years of partying, he is shot
    Silk pajamas and yachts, etc

    Jayroo was just saying that Dustin won because he was better on the night. That doesn't imply that he would always be better.


  • #6128
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Mellor wrote: »

    But there actually have been a number of excuses rolled out here since the fight.

    He gassed/his cardio
    He stance is all wrong since the Mayweather fight
    He had no gameplan/corner were unable to address the leg kicks
    He's surrounded by yes men who didn't train him well
    Years of partying, he is shot
    Silk pajamas and yachts, etc

    Jayroo was just saying that Dustin won because he was better on the night. That doesn't imply that he would always be better.

    He didn't say better on the night. He said Dustin won because he is better.

    None of them are excuses. All those things are under his control. If any of them affected him, it's on him. You don't have to agree that any of them contributed to his loss, but they're not excuses. An excuse is something that lessens the blame on an individual.


  • #6129
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Still Ill wrote: »
    He didn't say better on the night. He said Dustin won because he is better
    Kinda getting into the semantics of past/present tense there. But let's roll with it.


    Dustin was better than Conor on the night, <4 weeks ago.
    Given the injury to Conor's leg, and the medical suspension. I'm confident in saying that Dustin is still better than Conor right now, the 19th Feb.

    If he will still be better in 6/12/18 months. Who knows. But Dustin IS better than Conor (present tense).
    None of them are excuses. All those things are under his control. If any of them affected him, it's on him. You don't have to agree that any of them contributed to his loss, but they're not excuses. An excuse is something that lessens the blame on an individual.
    The point is that these are not things that Conor has said or thinks. These are convoluted reasons that people have invented. That may/may not reflect what actually happened in the cage.

    We can discuss the fight and why we think Dustin was better. But it's a bit more useful if its based on what happened imo.


  • #6130
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Mellor wrote: »
    Kinda getting into the semantics of past/present tense there. But let's roll with it.


    Dustin was better than Conor on the night, <4 weeks ago.
    Given the injury to Conor's leg, and the medical suspension. I'm confident in saying that Dustin is still better than Conor right now, the 19th Feb.

    If he will still be better in 6/12/18 months. Who knows. But Dustin IS better than Conor (present tense).

    The point is that these are not things that Conor has said or thinks. These are convoluted reasons that people have invented. That may/may not reflect what actually happened in the cage.

    We can discuss the fight and why we think Dustin was better. But it's a bit more useful if its based on what happened imo.

    Has anyone even said Dustin wasn't better on the night here? The part of his post I took issue with is that he accused people of mental gymnastics and coming up with excuses, when all people were doing was discussing where things potentially went wrong and what he could do to remedy it. It seemed unnecessary to criticise people for doing this.

    What's your point here? I'm not even sure any of what you mentioned is convoluted in the slightest and as you seem to agree now they're certainly not excuses. Not having a gameplan or changing the stance that won him two titles is convoluted? We're on a Conor McGregor thread. What do you suggest people talk about?


  • #6131
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    My point was that your argument (below) was completely pulled out of thin air;
    Why don't you think it's possible for McGregor to adapt/change and what's your problem with people discussing how he can adapt?
    That wasn't claimed or implied. It was clear, to me at least, that it as an "on the night statement".

    After the fight they're have been some fairly convoluted assessments.
    My post was a quick generic list I typed in seconds. Wasn't attempt to list them all or single out anyone specifically. Some of them were peddled as an excuse - blaming the team not Conor is an excuse by the definition you posted.
    We're on a Conor McGregor thread. What do you suggest people talk about?
    Not sure what you're getting at here.


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  • #6132
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    I'll refer back to the initial statement..
    JJayoo wrote: »
    The mental gymnastics in this thread. McG only lost because (insert excuse).

    He lost because Dustin dustin is better pretty simple really.

    McG doesn't need people to come up with excuses he is perfectly capable of making up his own excuses

    There was merit to the discussions people were having regarding the reasons (not excuses :rolleyes:) for the loss. For McGregor to improve and win a rematch he needs to look at his preparations for this fight and how he performed on the night. Therefore, it's valid for us to look back at the preparations and execution on the night. The only reason it would be pointless is if there was no way he can change/adapt in order to win. If we all agree that it's possible, why refer to it as mental gymnastics?

    Mellor wrote: »
    My point was that your argument (below) was completely pulled out of thin air;

    That wasn't claimed or implied. It was clear, to me at least, that it as an "on the night statement".

    After the fight they're have been some fairly convoluted assessments.
    My post was a quick generic list I typed in seconds. Wasn't attempt to list them all or single out anyone specifically. Some of them were peddled as an excuse - blaming the team not Conor is an excuse by the definition you posted.


    Not sure what you're getting at here.

    He's responsible for picking his team/corner. That's on him. He's responsible for all that's in his control. Some examples of excuses might be that he was carrying an injury into the fight, he was ill, bad refereeing or an early stoppage. I haven't seen anything like that for this fight.


  • #6133
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Therefore, it's valid for us to look back at the preparations and execution on the night.
    I think that was quite clearly not the tyoe if discussion he was referring to. But I guess Jayroo will have to confirm.
    Still Ill wrote: »
    He's responsible for picking his team/corner. That's on him. He's responsible for all that's in his control. Some examples of excuses might be that he was carrying an injury into the fight, he was ill, bad refereeing or an early stoppage. I haven't seen anything like that for this fight.
    So Conor blaming John Kavanagh, rather than himself would not be an excuse?
    I think you are taking a acute view of what an excuse is. I disagree. Blaming another person is an excuse. But I'm not really interested in going in circles on it. I'm out.


  • #6134
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Mellor wrote: »
    I think that was quite clearly not the tyoe if discussion he was referring to. But I guess Jayroo will have to confirm.


    So Conor blaming John Kavanagh, rather than himself would not be an excuse?
    I think you are taking a acute view of what an excuse is. I disagree. Blaming another person is an excuse. But I'm not really interested in going in circles on it. I'm out.

    JJ was referring to people in this thread when he used the term mental gymnastics that I took issue with. If someone here suggested he lost because he surrounded himself with yes men, that'd be on Conor for doing so.

    Obviously, if Conor went and blamed John Kavanagh he'd be making an excuse, but that was never relevant to anything I've said or even anything that Conor said. For you to accuse me of pulling stuff out of thin air and getting into semantics you sure seem to be doing a bit of that yourself there. No idea where you've pulled that one from or how you think it might be relevant.


  • #6135
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Still Ill wrote: »
    Obviously, if Conor went and blamed John Kavanagh he'd be making an excuse, but that was never relevant to anything I've said or even anything that Conor said.

    It was the excuses on thread that were mentioned, not Conor’s. People here have used that one. Hence the comment.

    The out of thin air was in relation to “saying Conor could never beat Dustin”. You mentioned it a few times. I don’t remember anyone saying that.


  • #6136
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Mellor wrote: »
    It was the excuses on thread that were mentioned, not Conor’s. People here have used that one. Hence the comment.

    The out of thin air was in relation to “saying Conor could never beat Dustin”. You mentioned it a few times. I don’t remember anyone saying that.

    So why are you bringing up a complete hypothetical of Conor blaming his corner? Completely irrelevant to anything that I've mentioned.
    I've explained why I asked him if he didn't think it was possible for Conor to beat Dustin. It was because he seemed intent on criticising people here for discussing where he went wrong and how he could remedy that in a rematch.

    If someone thought he should move to a new gym or his corner aren't up to scratch, it's on Conor to do so. They may have a point, they may not. It's worth discussing in a McGregor thread. You were wrong about people making excuses. It's ok to let one go for once, Mellor.


  • #6137
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Still Ill wrote: »
    So why are you bringing up a complete hypothetical of Conor blaming his corner? Completely irrelevant to anything that I've mentioned.

    You said corner blaming is not an excuse because it's his control.
    Still Ill wrote: »
    He's responsible for picking his team/corner. That's on him. He's responsible for all that's in his control.

    As in his corner, his control, his fault, so doesn't count as an excuse and it doesn't lessens the blame?
    There's a name for that sort of logic...


  • #6138
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Mellor wrote: »
    You said corner blaming is not an excuse because it's his control.


    As in his corner, his control, his fault, so doesn't count as an excuse and it doesn't lessens the blame?
    There's a name for that sort of logic...

    There's clearly a difference between someone on the internet saying he surrounds himself with yes men who aren't up to scratch and Conor coming out and blaming his corner for a loss. If you don't see that I don't know what to say..

    You seem to have discarded all the other things you mistakenly claimed people were using as excuses and distilled it down to this one ridiculously petty technicality that you yourself have pulled out of thin air.


  • #6139
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Still 3 you seem to be taking this very personally are you a recent convert to Mcgregor's ballsack?


  • #6140
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Still 3 you seem to be taking this very personally are you a recent convert to Mcgregor's ballsack?

    Haha.. Just replying to the posts directed at me! Nothing personal at all. No, don't even like him, believe it or not! Used to be a fan, but just can't like him anymore. I'm pretty sure I've said as much here before. I was delighted for Dustin when he won. Thoroughly deserved. GL, man.. Didn't mean to criticise you - just thought your comment was a bit harsh on what I found to be a reasonable discussion. Would've kept my mouth shut if I'd known it'd turn into a four day debate! :pac:


  • #6141
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Still 3 you seem to be taking this very personally are you a recent convert to Mcgregor's ballsack?

    Sounds like something you'd hear out of edgy teenagers in a schoolyard :rolleyes:


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  • #6142
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Sounds like something you'd hear out of edgy teenagers in a schoolyard :rolleyes:

    Stop hanging around schools ya weirdo


  • #6143
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Stop hanging around schools ya weirdo

    Mod: Not sure why you would think your last two posts are appropriate carry on here. Let's not have any more of that kind of nonsense.


  • #6144
    Doff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Doff


    I miss the old trash talking McGregor, you guys are entertaining but its just not the same.


  • #6145
    JJayoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Doff wrote: »
    I miss the old trash talking McGregor, you guys are entertaining but its just not the same.

    Being accused off assault and rape seems to have a calming affect on McGregor.


  • #6146
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    JJayoo wrote:
    Being accused off assault and rape seems to have a calming affect on McGregor.
    Lol, I suspect you don't be lasting long here.

    Please people do not bite, that's all he's looking for.


  • #6147
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    JJayoo wrote: »
    Being accused off assault and rape seems to have a calming affect on McGregor.

    Banned for a week for ignoring the multiple warnings on the thread and in the title along with your most recent infractions.

    You have been told enough times people - MMA talk only.

    Back on topic...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116104921&postcount=5993


  • #6148
    Macdarack
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Macdarack


    https://youtu.be/Yo9PWLbCjEs
    Go to 11.30mins
    Seems like an expert on the subject. Funny how he couldn't coach an elite fighter to defend it.


  • #6149
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Walking along the quays in dublin city centre yesterday and mcgregor just casually jogged past :D


  • #6150
    spix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭spix


    Macdarack wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/Yo9PWLbCjEs
    Go to 11.30mins
    Seems like an expert on the subject. Funny how he couldn't coach an elite fighter to defend it.


    Even funnier after the fight Conor said 'Me leg' Kavangah said your left knee? No coach how about the right calf that was being kicked all fight.


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  • #6151
    MidlanderMan
    Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭MidlanderMan


    There shouldn't be a rematch any time soon, and it definitely shouldn't be for a title.


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