22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

StereoSound · 27-12-2018 9:38pm #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1227/1019182-syria-refugees/

I have some questions about how this whole system works....

>What happens after they arrive here? It says they will be put into permanent
housing, and I assume given social welfare payments and various benefits ?

>Will they be given job training and college courses ?

>Are refugees prioritized over Irish citizens for housing and other state
benefits since they are looked at as sort of an emergency case ?

>Are refugees given a guaranteed citizenship when they are accepted here ?

>What is expected of refugees in Ireland in the long term? Are they expected
to get jobs and pay tax contributions straight away or is that waved for "x"
amount of years while they settle themselves into a new society ?

I don't understand enough about how refugees in Ireland are settled and probably many others don't know either. Explain to those not in the know how exactly how this works in 2018'.

Alrigghtythen · 27-12-2018 9:41pm

Once the war in their own country is over, these doctors and lawyers will be hotfooting it back there to help restablish their society

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 27-12-2018 9:42pm

22 Irish families are taken off the council list and given a forever home in Syria. Exchange programme.

27-12-2018 9:59pm

StereoSound wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/1227/1019182-syria-refugees/

I have some questions about how this whole system works....

>What happens after they arrive here? It says they will be put into permanent
housing, and I assume given social welfare payments and various benefits ?

>Will they be given job training and college courses ?

>Are refugees prioritized over Irish citizens for housing and other state
benefits since they are looked at as sort of an emergency case ?

>Are refugees given a guaranteed citizenship when they are accepted here ?

>What is expected of refugees in Ireland in the long term? Are they expected
to get jobs and pay tax contributions straight away or is that waved for "x"
amount of years while they settle themselves into a new society ?

I don't understand enough about how refugees in Ireland are settled and probably many others don't know either. Explain to those not in the know how exactly how this works in 2018'.

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

engiweirdo · 27-12-2018 10:00pm

What about the lads fleeing from war torn France? Won't anyone think of them?

Uboat · 27-12-2018 10:01pm

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

22 Irish families are taken off the council list and given a forever home in Syria. Exchange programme.

Send them back. The war is almost over in Syria.

baldbear · 27-12-2018 10:02pm

2 families coming to my town in Longford. Locals did a collection for them because they wanted to make them feel welcome.

I prefer to see them in my town that all the lazy dole heads.

enricoh · 27-12-2018 10:03pm

After a brief stint in mosney, some quango will compete with working couples renting or buying the few houses available locally. Only one winner there!

_Kaiser_ · 27-12-2018 10:05pm

I've no problem temporarily supporting genuine refugees (spot the key words there), but once it's safe for them to return home they should do so, or apply for residency through established methods.

Bollox to this idea of shortcuts to permanent residency and citizenship though. It's very obvious in recent times that our State broadcaster is heavily pushing this agenda with all these pro-migrant "news"/advertising features and even a prime-time TV show.

_Kaiser_ · 27-12-2018 10:09pm

2019 wrote: »

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

The financial crisis you mean? The most expensive favour in Irish history. Don't let all the good news Recovery stories fool you - this country is still up to its neck in debt and right on course to repeat the same mistakes of a decade ago.

As I said above, providing a temporary sanctuary for genuine cases I have no problem with so long as it's within our real ability to provide .. but that's as far as it goes

Wompa1 · 27-12-2018 10:10pm

then what?

They live happily ever after, I hope!

Arthur Daley · 27-12-2018 10:11pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've no problem temporarily supporting genuine refugees (spot the key words there), but once it's safe for them to return home they should do so, or apply for residency through established methods.

Bollox to this idea of shortcuts to permanent residency and citizenship though. It's very obvious in recent times that our State broadcaster is heavily pushing this agenda with all these pro-migrant "news"/advertising features and even a prime-time TV show.

Syria needs rebuilding, so once these folks get back on their feet, they should be aiming to assist in the rebuilding of their country that has been turned into a demolition site in the course of this decade.

toyotafan · 27-12-2018 10:21pm

I dont like muslim and most of them are. Rape, killed would be a problem when they came. I could see from Germany. Dont know what to do if this happened in our lovely country. Many Irish people dont have house but these people will have "permanent housing" as a funny sound. I met a family in Galway, I think from Syria. They were living in a hotel and got money from Irish govermemt for one year while waiting for their papers. The man said, they would have a Stamp 4 residence permit.

Sadb · 27-12-2018 10:22pm

I have some questions about how this whole system works....

>What happens after they arrive here? It says they will be put into permanent
housing, and I assume given social welfare payments and various benefits ?

There are several different categories of refugees/asylum seekers, benefits vary depending on which category you fall into.

>Will they be given job training and college courses ?

once your refugee status is granted you are given an 8 week language and training course to help get you into the work force.

>Are refugees prioritized over Irish citizens for housing and other state
benefits since they are looked at as sort of an emergency case ?

No

>Are refugees given a guaranteed citizenship when they are accepted here ?

No, citizenship is an entirely different process

>What is expected of refugees in Ireland in the long term? Are they expected
to get jobs and pay tax contributions straight away or is that waved for "x"
amount of years while they settle themselves into a new society ?

Once their refugee status has been granted they are expected to work like everyone else

I don't understand enough about how refugees in Ireland are settled and probably many others don't know either. Explain to those not in the know how exactly how this works in 2018'.

Ultimanemo · 27-12-2018 10:27pm

StereoSound wrote: »

then what ?.

Then they will bring their relatives to join them

Kivaro · 27-12-2018 10:37pm

Let's be clear with the numbers though. From today's Irish Independent:

"A total of 105 people will be resettled here today, including 58 children. They join 97 persons resettled to Ireland from Lebanon last week, bringing the total number resettled this month to 202.
Today's arrivals will initially stay in the Emergency Reception and Orientation centre in Ballaghaderreen, Co Roscommon, while they await permanent housing."

The one item of note from the article was what our Minister of State David Stanton stated about the welcoming of the refugee families in Ballaghaderreen: "It is a model that I would like to see embraced in communities right across the country," he said.

Does that mean we are getting so many more refugees in the future that communities "right across the country" will have to embrace them similarly?
I would like the government to be honest with us on the projections of the real numbers our communities should expect going forward.

As echoed earlier, these refugees who just arrived should be given as much assistance as possible with the eventual goal for their safe return to Syria. If they cannot safely return, then I am reasonably confident that they will be productive in Ireland. The difference between Syrian refugees and non-EU economic migrants claiming to be refugees, is that genuine refugees are grateful for our assistance and will contribute to our society.

StereoSound · 27-12-2018 10:45pm

Any public statistical information out there to show how many refugees were given citizenship over the years and how many left the country ?

road_high · 27-12-2018 10:51pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've no problem temporarily supporting genuine refugees (spot the key words there), but once it's safe for them to return home they should do so, or apply for residency through established methods.

Bollox to this idea of shortcuts to permanent residency and citizenship though. It's very obvious in recent times that our State broadcaster is heavily pushing this agenda with all these pro-migrant "news"/advertising features and even a prime-time TV show.

Absolutely. Should only ever be a temporary thing with limited social service “rights”.
Country is far too lax as it is with awarding citizenship to all and sundry, we don’t need more on an even easier route. Australian style migration system is what’s needed here- points based reflecting the needs of OUR country and economy.

road_high · 27-12-2018 10:55pm

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Once the war in their own country is over, these doctors and lawyers will be hotfooting it back there to help restablish their society

You reckon?....

road_high · 27-12-2018 10:57pm

2019 wrote: »

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

Which should be on a temporary basis with repatriation as things recover in their home country

jmreire · 27-12-2018 11:04pm

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Once the war in their own country is over, these doctors and lawyers will be hotfooting it back there to help restablish their society

If the war in Syria ever ends ( don't bet that it will be over soon.....) then not only will the Doctors, Lawyers etc. return home, but nearly every Syrian refugee will go back there too. In fact some have already left Europe an returned home. Big problem for a lot of them is to find the €4000 they need to pay the Govt fine for leaving without doing their compulsory military service, and availing of the amnesty, but even after paying that...they are still liable to do the 2 years conscription, and like I have said..that war is not over yet !!!

The_Kew_Tour · 27-12-2018 11:05pm

Had a family come to my village just recently.

Nothing wrong with helping those who house has been blown away in name of some war.

Once they behave and try get on with their lives no problem

mikeym · 27-12-2018 11:07pm

Im all for helping the genuine cases.

road_high · 27-12-2018 11:10pm

jmreire wrote: »

If the war in Syria ever ends ( don't bet that it will be over soon.....) then not only will the Doctors, Lawyers etc. return home, but nearly every Syrian refugee will go back there too. In fact some have already left Europe an returned home. Big problem for a lot of them is to find the €4000 they need to pay the Govt fine for leaving without doing their compulsory military service, and availing of the amnesty, but even after paying that...they are still liable to do the 2 years conscription, and like I have said..that war is not over yet !!!

Which absolutely is what should be encouraged and supported - I’m sure most of them want to settle back to their own country. Not some strange country they’ve no connection or affinity towards, lacking the resources to soak up an influx long term

ConnyMcDavid · 27-12-2018 11:13pm

2019 wrote: »

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

There is no war in Lebanon the last time I checked.

Water John · 27-12-2018 11:14pm

Lot of signalling in some of these posts. We welcomed German refugees at the end of WW2. We didn't demand any return to Germany to rebuild it. Ireland can easily absorb the small number involved and they will enrich our society, when they integrate.

jmreire · 27-12-2018 11:17pm

ConnyMcDavid wrote: »

There is no war in Lebanon the last time I checked.[/QUOTE
These refugees are Syrian, living in Lebanese camps, that's where they have come from. And they were selected after a long process.

Richard Hillman · 27-12-2018 11:17pm

2-3 years ago yes, but the war is over. There are only small pocket's that still have activity.

road_high · 27-12-2018 11:18pm

ConnyMcDavid wrote: »

There is no war in Lebanon the last time I checked.

Some of the countries we are excepting “refugees” from are beyond bizzare in the piss take stakes.
South Africa anyone ? Now I’m well aware their society has deep problems but last time I checked it had plenty of wealth (Albeit unevenly distributed)- some of these places have infinitely more wealth than us but yet we’re the ones paying for their refugees?
Albania is another- I’m well aware it’s one of the poorest nations in Europe- but refugees from there? Total joke

mvl · 27-12-2018 11:18pm

jmreire wrote: »

If the war in Syria ever ends ( don't bet that it will be over soon.....) then not only will the Doctors, Lawyers etc. return home, but nearly every Syrian refugee will go back there too. In fact some have already left Europe an returned home. Big problem for a lot of them is to find the €4000 they need to pay the Govt fine for leaving without doing their compulsory military service, and availing of the amnesty, but even after paying that...they are still liable to do the 2 years conscription, and like I have said..that war is not over yet !!!

Or HSE can offer them good paid jobs meanwhile - 4k would be easy to source then.

- I have my doubts refugees would be returning home in this lifetime.

But as long as they get assimilated into Irish culture (same as I am), we should be grand.

_Kaiser_ · 27-12-2018 11:22pm

Water John wrote: »

Lot of signalling in some of these posts. We welcomed German refugees at the end of WW2. We didn't demand any return to Germany to rebuild it. Ireland can easily absorb the small number involved and they will enrich our society, when they integrate.

I think the signalling you refer to is right there in your own post.

Genuine refugees are fleeing war, persecution or death. They have been forced out of their homes and so will naturally want to reclaim it when safe to do so.

These are the refugees we should be supporting (within practical limits) until they can.

Long-term "integration and enrichment" is a different class of migrant entirely and not covered by the above. Nor should it be. There are other legal methods for such migrants to gain entry and residency here. Let them use those.

jmreire · 27-12-2018 11:22pm

road_high wrote: »

Which absolutely is what should be encouraged and supported - I’m sure most of them want to settle back to their own country. Not some strange country they’ve no connection or affinity towards, lacking the resources to soak up an influx long term

As I have said earlier, most will return home when the conditions are right. Certainly, a % will remain, but they are different in the sense that they were displaced by war, not economic necessity. People driven out by economic conditions, will not return home.
If it takes a long time before Syria returns to anything resembling normality, then of course some of these refugees will put down roots, and remain. By the time that happens, they will be well integrated

McGiver · 27-12-2018 11:28pm

Richard Hillman wrote:

2-3 years ago yes, but the war is over. There are only small pocket's that still have activity.

Total bollocks. War is over - you mean Asad with the help of the Russians are near a total victory? Which left hundreds of thousands civilians dead, the country razed to the ground and totally destroyed - materially, politically, socially and economically. Millions internally displaced and millions fled the country.

Nobody sane will return to this country if Asad achieves total victory.

mgn · 27-12-2018 11:32pm

I see a lot of the welcoming type on here as usual.Bet there not from county that has become a dumping ground from them.

Gatling · 27-12-2018 11:35pm

enricoh wrote: »

After a brief stint in mosney, some quango will compete with working couples renting or buying the few houses available locally. Only one winner there!

They won't ever see the inside of mosney they will be housed immediately by local authorities no 10 year waiting on housing lists like the 100,000 families currently waiting to be housed

27-12-2018 11:37pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The financial crisis you mean? The most expensive favour in Irish history. Don't let all the good news Recovery stories fool you - this country is still up to its neck in debt and right on course to repeat the same mistakes of a decade ago.

As I said above, providing a temporary sanctuary for genuine cases I have no problem with so long as it's within our real ability to provide .. but that's as far as it goes

No, when we had to emigrate to all corners of the world. And even during the troubles, many a dollar was sent home to help us Irish. One of the us wealthiest men help build this countries colleges. Help from outside sources!

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-12-2018 11:38pm

toyotafan wrote: »

I dont like muslim and most of them are. Rape, killed would be a problem when they came. I could see from Germany. Dont know what to do if this happened in our lovely country. Many Irish people dont have house but these people will have "permanent housing" as a funny sound. I met a family in Galway, I think from Syria. They were living in a hotel and got money from Irish govermemt for one year while waiting for their papers. The man said, they would have a Stamp 4 residence permit.

From your use of English, I reckon you're not Irish either!

Had my hair cut recently by a Syrian. Nice guy and did a good job.

mgn · 27-12-2018 11:42pm

2019 wrote: »

No, when we had to emigrate to all corners of the world. And even during the troubles, many a dollar was sent home to help us Irish. One of the us wealthiest men help build this countries colleges. Help from outside sources!

Yes.And when we emigrated we earned what we got.No free houses and dole in my day anyways.

Mutant z · 27-12-2018 11:43pm

Its time for them to return and help rebuild their own country they surely don't expect to remain here permanently.

Ash.J.Williams · 27-12-2018 11:44pm

22 families isn't a lot

road_high · 27-12-2018 11:44pm

2019 wrote: »

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

Syrians yes, in the main.
Albanians, South Africans, Brazilians, Georgians make up a huge cohort of our so called “refugee” tally. This is what you call riding the system and the generosity of the Irish state and taxpayer. Seems anyone can rock up here and shout “I’m a refugee” with some cock and bull story and we have to accommodate them at least until the system proves their claim is bogus. Then appeal after appeal.
The system needs radical overhaul as it’s being severely undermined by these chancers and undermining what are genuine refugees in other instances.
Quick decision and immediate return of bogus claimants.

mgn · 27-12-2018 11:46pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

22 families isn't a lot

It is in a small town.Not in a city.

_Kaiser_ · 27-12-2018 11:47pm

2019 wrote: »

No, when we had to emigrate to all corners of the world. And even during the troubles, many a dollar was sent home to help us Irish. One of the us wealthiest men help build this countries colleges. Help from outside sources!

This tired old argument again...

The Irish who went out, went out to work or they starved. No welfare state to support them in those days

It was also a very different era, when illiterate but good at manual labour lads and girls could find work to support themselves. This isn't the case anymore in a country that is hugely dependent on the service/knowledge economy, and I think we've reached saturation point for coffee shops at this stage.

No one has any issue with genuine refugees (as I defined above), but those are the minority of those flooding Europe in the last few years. It's those welfare tourists and economic migrants that offer nothing except a further drain on already stretched and insufficient resources that people have an issue with.

Hope that helps.

jmreire · 27-12-2018 11:54pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

2-3 years ago yes, but the war is over. There are only small pocket's that still have activity.

Richard the war in Syria is far from over., sure a lot the heavy fighting is finished (for now) But you have Erdogan preparing for a major assault on the Kurdish areas in Syria.. Turkey would like very much not alone to destroy the YPG, but also annex a nice piece of Syrian real estate in the process. Some how, I don't think that the Assad family will take too kindly to....plus Israel launched major attacks on Hezbollah positions in and around Damascus in the last few days.. and more are promised. So, no the war is not over in Syria.
But even if it was finished, what is there to go back to? Most of the Cities have a large percentage destroyed, literally not a stone left upon a stone , No infrastructure, schools, hospitals etc. Lots of area's mined. Underground water systems destroyed from the bombing, and as for industry and jobs?? it will be a long time before Syria is even remotely " Normal" again.
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_Kaiser_ · 27-12-2018 11:57pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

22 families isn't a lot

But see that's half the problem... 22 here, 42 there, 18 somewhere else.

Drip-drip-drip. With no follow-up as to how many family members join them, whether they find work or become entirely welfare dependent, if they integrate or return home, and just how many we're talking about overall or how much it costs and what other services have been cut or curtailed to fund it.

Questioning this at all of course is shouted down by the right-on types (keen to show each other how virtuous they are!) but before you know it, your 22 is hundreds, then thousands and with no end in sight and no plan beyond "be grand!" and high-fiving each other.

That needs to change... rapidly!

road_high · 27-12-2018 11:58pm

2019 wrote: »

No, when we had to emigrate to all corners of the world. And even during the troubles, many a dollar was sent home to help us Irish. One of the us wealthiest men help build this countries colleges. Help from outside sources!

The Irish in the USA or England worked their holes off in often menial roles- there was absolutely no welfare or state funded direct provision with everything provided plus some spending money courtesy of the host tax payer. You worked or starved.
We also had deep historical and social ties to these countries. Comparing our history of migration to present day refugee migration to Ireland is comparing apples and oranges

Mutant z · 28-12-2018 12:04am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

22 families isn't a lot

It will be by the time they bring all the rest of them along then suddenly that supposedly small figure will not look so small once you invite some others will inevitablly follow then you are left with an uncontrollable situation and a whole heap of problems it will bring so foots need to be firmly stamped on the ground to stop it from happening.

s7ryf3925pivug · 28-12-2018 12:20am

Isis are monstrous beyond what I thought existed before they emerged... Assad has killed about 1000 civilians via chemical weapons alone... I would have thought that people fleeing Syria would be some of the most credible and sympathetic figures you could find. But here there appears to be fears that they will be slightly detrimental to the economy.

Sweetemotion · 28-12-2018 12:28am

Armando Fast Gunboat wrote: »

Isis are monstrous beyond what I thought existed before they emerged... Assad has killed about 1000 civilians via chemical weapons alone... I would have thought that people fleeing Syria would be some of the most credible and sympathetic figures you could find. But here there appears to be fears that they will be slightly detrimental to the economy.

Assad never killed anyone via chemical weapons. Those refugees probably voted for him. I'm pretty sure they're glad Hilary didn't win other wise they would be sold as slaves instead of being relocated.

0cp71eyxkb94qf · 28-12-2018 12:29am

2019 wrote: »

These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

Have them live in your back yard then.

road_high · 28-12-2018 12:29am

Armando Fast Gunboat wrote: »

Isis are monstrous beyond what I thought existed before they emerged... Assad has killed about 1000 civilians via chemical weapons alone... I would have thought that people fleeing Syria would be some of the most credible and sympathetic figures you could find. But here there appears to be fears that they will be slightly detrimental to the economy.

So open the floodgates, don’t bother with vetting or scrutiny?
The problem has been that there’s been waves of other economic migrants (invariably men) from Africa and the middle east, zilch to do with Syrian conflict, mixed in with genuine refugees. The nations of Europe cannot simply take in all these from an economic and social standpoint. If it had just been the Syrians then we could have coped and helped more practically.
What we can’t do is take in economic migrants from all and sundry

22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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