The Healy Raes

SlowBlowin · 07-11-2019 5:36pm

Oasis1974 wrote: »

One of the brothers had a rant actually shouting in the Dail about 4 cattle being shot in Northern Ireland which turned out was for disease reasons. I mean his whole anger was driven at healthy cows been shot why is that man standing in the Dail saying this.

The Army were used to shoot the cows, that was the point, ironically he was complaining about a national resource being used at a local level..And as you have all said in this thread the Dail is the place to voice national interests.

The J Stands for Jay · 07-11-2019 5:45pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

but personally I dont, likewise I have no issues of my TD not attending, and make an expensive long drive, if their vote wont make a difference, seems like commonsense to me, I never do a job that wont make any difference or yield any benefit.

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He has no problem driving up to appear on TV, dangerously tailgating on the M8.

Dr. Bre · 07-11-2019 5:48pm

Tribal politics. We are the Africa of Europe

The J Stands for Jay · 07-11-2019 5:52pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The Army were used to shoot the cows, that was the point, ironically he was complaining about a national resource being used at a local level..And as you have all said in this thread the Dail is the place to voice national interests.

I had to watch the clip of this one. He interrupts discussions on new legislation to say it was as disgrace giving the order to shoot some cows. He never managed to articulate why it was a disgrace. It seemed more likely that he was upset about the herd being repossessed than anything to do with a national resource being used at a local level.

LaChatteGitane · 07-11-2019 5:56pm

McGaggs wrote: »

I had to watch the clip of this one. He interrupts discussions on new legislation to say it was as disgrace giving the order to shoot some cows. He never managed to articulate why it was a disgrace. It seemed more likely that he was upset about the herd being repossessed than anything to do with a national resource being used at a local level.

Yes, and they really don't mind calling in the army to tackle the rhododendron in Killarney.

Graces7 · 07-11-2019 6:02pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Before I voted HR ALL the candidates came to visit me at home, that's how it works in South Kerry, dont know if the haters personally met every other candidate in their local election, maybe thats not unusual, I dont know ?

Anyway I asked them all the questions that were important to me, about local affairs and national.

I voted for the person who had the best answers and seemed the most caring, that was HR.

I am a scum you hate, but I don't see what I have done wrong ? I voted for the the person who was obviously the most knowledgeable about the matters that affect me, my family and the country I live in ?

I know every HR hater on here checks their car lights and tyre pressures, before every trip, like the book says, but personally I dont, likewise I have no issues of my TD not attending, and make an expensive long drive, if their vote wont make a difference, seems like commonsense to me, I never do a job that wont make any difference or yield any benefit.

And I do like the idea of the Healycopter, great name, but the HRs attend the important votes so I think it would be a waste of money.

There is no hatred here.

SlowBlowin · 07-11-2019 6:09pm

From the thread that reported "KERRY PEOPLE are the Disease", amended to most KERRY PEOPLE are the Disease !

No offence taken..

jmayo · 07-11-2019 8:06pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Good man. Stick it to the urban cosmopolitan elites with their lattes and yoga...and and their fancy edumaction.

Well there is a group of Irish people nowadays, lets call them the urban elite, who probably have a job with a large multinational possibly either a large tech company or pharma company, who then proceed to look down their nose at anything and anyone rural.

Often the case is anything west of Rathcoole, Leixlip and Blanchardstown, because some of these actual view non Dublin cities as little more than large collections of culchies.

And this group often comprise those that are not even native Dubs, but ones who hailed from some town or other, possibly even the countryside itself, before trundling off to college and now have a nice job with a major company in the big city.
The mindset is really viewable when it comes to debates about rural housing, farming, transport, sports even and also having pops at rural politicians.

The funny thing is there are a quite a few real life Aonghus von Bismarks out there.

And the biggest shyters in Irish politics were from and elected by urban Dublin or doesn't the names haughey, lawlor, burke, ahern, callely, cosgrove ring any bells.

Oasis1974 wrote: »

One of the brothers had a rant actually shouting in the Dail about 4 cattle being shot in Northern Ireland which turned out was for disease reasons. I mean his whole anger was driven at healthy cows been shot why is that man standing in the Dail saying this.

I presume that would be Danny.
And yes he is often fond of Don Quixote type escapades tilting at windmills.

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Tribal politics. We are the Africa of Europe

One would think, but then again our nearest neighbours have decided to laterally shoot themselves in both feet and then resort to electing a buffoon as leader.

We have a habit of naval gazing and admonishing ourselves yet when you look at the wider world one can find some astounding stupidity.
It is a human thing.

It is like when some lament about some backwards inbred shytehole somewhere in Ireland, it basically shows they have traveled fook all because such places exist around the world.
Even in the most developed of countries.

DavyD_83 · 07-11-2019 8:16pm

HR: I'll keep the people who decide if I have a job happy, feck the rest of them.
Kerry ppl: he looks after us, of course he'll get my vote.

Hard to argue with really, and harder to see it changing unless the system changes.
Maybe if every TD looked after their own areas as well, and was punished by not being re-elected when they didn't, we'd have a better infrastructure as a whole.
I can't remember the last time I heard anybody speak of a Dublin TD as useful on any visible level.

Leave the international stuff to the ministers (or somebody). If TDs are meant to be looking after their voters and only their voters, who is meant to look after the country?

That, or everybody start working towards a common interest; but that seems a lot more fanciful at this stage.

Yep, I still think they're a bunch of selfish bog men lining their own pockets.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-11-2019 8:24pm

DavyD_83 wrote: »

HR: I'll keep the people who decide if I have a job happy, feck the rest of them.
Kerry ppl: he looks after us, of course he'll get my vote.

Hard to argue with really, and harder to see it changing unless the system changes.
Maybe if every TD looked after their own areas as well, and was punished by not being re-elected when they didn't, we'd have a better infrastructure as a whole.
I can't remember the last time I heard anybody speak of a Dublin TD as useful on any visible level.

Leave the international stuff to the ministers (or somebody). If TDs are meant to be looking after their voters and only their voters, who is meant to look after the country?

That, or everybody start working towards a common interest; but that seems a lot more fanciful at this stage.

Yep, I still think they're a bunch of selfish bog men lining their own pockets.

Ah yeah, Tony Gregory and Bertie Ahern were just misunderstood altruists.

DavyD_83 · 07-11-2019 8:39pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Ah yeah, Tony Gregory and Bertie Ahern were just misunderstood altruists.

I didn't mean to imply that non-HR politicians aren't selfish or useless.

Skylinehead · 07-11-2019 9:07pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Ah yeah, Tony Gregory and Bertie Ahern were just misunderstood altruists.

Neither of the first two are TDs for the last age, and Shane Ross is regularly pilloried for parish pump crap (like Stepaside Garda station).

Inaccurate strawman.

Oasis1974 · 07-11-2019 9:21pm

It was the clever one i think had the outburst. In fairness i can't make out in the end why hes so outraged but still these guys seem to bring up some seriously nonsensical topics.

goat2 · 07-11-2019 9:27pm

He can prove that he was there and back on the day, with toll and telephone records

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-11-2019 9:33pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Neither of the first two are TDs for the last age

I never said they were.

Gregory was the first instance of Me Feinism that I can recall. He had no interest in anything outside his own constituency and held the country to ransom, at a time when the economic conditions were far worse than the recent crash, to support projects and investment in his own constituency to the detriment of the rest of the country, yet is lauded for his work.

As for Bertie, I have no need to iterate his peculiarities, they have been well publicised and discussed for many year at this stage. Many would consider much of his activities as being outside the bounds of acceptable behaviour in his apparent massaging of money for purposes it wasn't intended for, yet he would remain extremely popular with many of his constituents.

Both urban and, arguably, guilty of worse behaviour than the Healy-Raes but the conversation is consistently that of rural Me Feinism when the same and far worse was inflicted on the country by urban practitioners of this persuasion.

I must admit I find it rather peculiar, sad and entertaining at the same time that so many can utterly fail to recognise that the implied failures of some rural politicians are seemingly oblivious to the exact same failures suffered by some of urban practitioners of the same ilk.

, and Shane Ross is regularly pilloried for parish pump crap (like Stepaside Garda station).

And rightly too.

Inaccurate strawman.

Sure whatever you're having yourself.

Sandor Clegane · 07-11-2019 9:35pm

Don't be fooled by their deliverance like culchie shtick...these two are as cute as foxes.

Galwayguy35 · 07-11-2019 9:43pm

I'd say they don't have to even bother canvassing for votes and know they are a shoo in come the next election, have to say it's baffling how popular they are down in Kerry.

liosnagceann75 · 07-11-2019 10:02pm

goat2 wrote: »

He can prove that he was there and back on the day, with toll and telephone records

Has he produced the evidence yet?

JohnnyFlash · 07-11-2019 10:21pm

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Don't be fooled by their deliverance like culchie shtick...these two are as cute as foxes.

Michael is meant to be an extremely clever man.

tjhook · 07-11-2019 11:16pm

The only way I can see to make the system work is to give local politicians more power. Make it so the Dail has little or no power over local matters.

The people in each constituency can vote for their own local politicians. If they choose badly, they only have themselves to blame for their choice.

Meanwhile, national politicians deal with national and international issues.

Of course the current system suits the parish pump incumbents, so it will not change.

salmocab · 07-11-2019 11:52pm

I posted here a few days ago that the HR genius is the us and them agenda they push, it can be seen here over the last few pages. There are people like this all over the country getting voted in it’s not rural v urban like they would have us believe but these are probably the most adept at making it seem that way. They are county councillors getting TDs wages and expenses, some people will say fair play to them but you can’t expect a well run country if you vote based on local problems that should be sorted locally.

Poor_old_gill · 08-11-2019 12:54am

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Don't be fooled by their deliverance like culchie shtick...these two are as cute as foxes.

I've met them both - Michael is quite clever, savy and good at dealing with people

Danny, on the other hand, is playing no games in terms of putting on an act.

Bellview · 08-11-2019 1:14am

tjhook wrote: »

The only way I can see to make the system work is to give local politicians more power. Make it so the Dail has little or no power over local matters.

The people in each constituency can vote for their own local politicians. If they choose badly, they only have themselves to blame for their choice.

Meanwhile, national politicians deal with national and international issues.

Of course the current system suits the parish pump incumbents, so it will not change.

thats why we have concil elections and general elections... and in fairness to the HR group .. as theyhave 3 councillors and 2 TD's.. they are selling the local story when running for national .. so the real question then is why did we vote for the 3 councillors as it sounds like the 2 TD's must think they are incompetent

DFGrange · 08-11-2019 5:57am

The H-R Dynasty is an excellent expression of true Irishness.

Rows Grower · 08-11-2019 6:59am

There were people from all walks of life at the book launch last night, from very young children with their parents to couples and individuals who I'd guess were well over the eighties and every age in between. They weren't all typical looking gombeens either, people might be surprised if they had a view of the audience that attended.

Tommy Tiernan was the MC for the evening, he had to travel back to Galway afterwards last night and then he'll be going across to Dublin this morning for Gay Byrne's funeral a lot of effort on his behalf. He wouldn't be my favourite entertainer by a long shot but fair play to him for making the journey and he did a very good interview.

Mike had the audience in the palm of his hand. He is the exact same talking to anyone or in front of anyone, captivating and at ease with any subject. He's a natural orator, a highly underrated skill these days when the keyboard has become the main means of communication to a lot of people.

He spoke about many subjects and they weren't all just about Kerry or Kerry people, he has some very insightful opinions and just has a natural charm and wit coupled with his ability to articulate his point of view. There were a lot of books sold, there was a least 8 people manning the sales counters before and after the launch and an awful lot of people were buying more than one copy. On last nights sales alone I'd say it will make the best sellers list.

Graces7 · 08-11-2019 7:17am

Rows Grower wrote: »

There were people from all walks of life at the book launch last night, from very young children with their parents to couples and individuals who I'd guess were well over the eighties and every age in between. They weren't all typical looking gombeens either, people might be surprised if they had a view of the audience that attended.

Tommy Tiernan was the MC for the evening, he had to travel back to Galway afterwards last night and then he'll be going across to Dublin this morning for Gay Byrne's funeral a lot of effort on his behalf. He wouldn't be my favourite entertainer by a long shot but fair play to him for making the journey and he did a very good interview.

Mike had the audience in the palm of his hand. He is the exact same talking to anyone or in front of anyone, captivating and at ease with any subject. He's a natural orator, a highly underrated skill these days when the keyboard has become the main means of communication to a lot of people.

He spoke about many subjects and they weren't all just about Kerry or Kerry people, he has some very insightful opinions and just has a natural charm and wit coupled with his ability to articulate his point of view. There were a lot of books sold, there was a least 8 people manning the sales counters before and after the launch and an awful lot of people were buying more than one copy. On last nights sales alone I'd say it will make the best sellers list.

So?

Graces7 · 08-11-2019 7:18am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'd say they don't have to even bother canvassing for votes and know they are a shoo in come the next election, have to say it's baffling how popular they are down in Kerry.

Not at all baffling. Like votes for like. And other factors..

Graces7 · 08-11-2019 7:25am

DavyD_83 wrote: »

HR: I'll keep the people who decide if I have a job happy, feck the rest of them.
Kerry ppl: he looks after us, of course he'll get my vote.

Hard to argue with really, and harder to see it changing unless the system changes.
Maybe if every TD looked after their own areas as well, and was punished by not being re-elected when they didn't, we'd have a better infrastructure as a whole.
I can't remember the last time I heard anybody speak of a Dublin TD as useful on any visible level.

Leave the international stuff to the ministers (or somebody). If TDs are meant to be looking after their voters and only their voters, who is meant to look after the country?

That, or everybody start working towards a common interest; but that seems a lot more fanciful at this stage.

Yep, I still think they're a bunch of selfish bog men lining their own pockets.

Looks after some of the people some of time if their interests do not conflict with theirs.

Rows Grower · 08-11-2019 7:28am

Graces7 wrote: »

So?

It's a thread about the Healy Rae's dear.

blinding · 08-11-2019 10:23am

There are Cute Kerry Hoors

And that immediately puts them in the Top League of Cute Irish Hoors

We are never going to run out of Healy Raes .

Just surrender now .

The J Stands for Jay · 08-11-2019 10:53am

jmayo wrote: »

Well there is a group of Irish people nowadays, lets call them the urban elite, who probably have a job with a large multinational possibly either a large tech company or pharma company, who then proceed to look down their nose at anything and anyone rural.

Often the case is anything west of Rathcoole, Leixlip and Blanchardstown, because some of these actual view non Dublin cities as little more than large collections of culchies.

And this group often comprise those that are not even native Dubs, but ones who hailed from some town or other, possibly even the countryside itself, before trundling off to college and now have a nice job with a major company in the big city.
The mindset is really viewable when it comes to debates about rural housing, farming, transport, sports even and also having pops at rural politicians.

The funny thing is there are a quite a few real life Aonghus von Bismarks out there.

And the biggest shyters in Irish politics were from and elected by urban Dublin or doesn't the names haughey, lawlor, burke, ahern, callely, cosgrove ring any bells.

I presume that would be Danny.
And yes he is often fond of Don Quixote type escapades tilting at windmills.

One would think, but then again our nearest neighbours have decided to laterally shoot themselves in both feet and then resort to electing a buffoon as leader.

We have a habit of naval gazing and admonishing ourselves yet when you look at the wider world one can find some astounding stupidity.
It is a human thing.

It is like when some lament about some backwards inbred shytehole somewhere in Ireland, it basically shows they have traveled fook all because such places exist around the world.
Even in the most developed of countries.

Pass the vinegar

marieholmfan · 08-11-2019 12:19pm

blinding wrote: »

There are Cute Kerry Hoors

And that immediately puts them in the Top League of Cute Irish Hoors

We are never going to run out of Healy Raes .

Just surrender now .

Bypass Killorglin. Connect the N72 or whatever to Milltown way before Kilorglin.
Close Killorglin Community College.

People are voting for these people on the off chance that they'll have the balance of power at some stage and then €€€€€€€ for the parish.

It is currently a one way bet.

Make it a two way bet.

Edgware · 08-11-2019 12:38pm

You'd swear the way some are going on here that they only vote for T.D s that promise to deliver world peace. Any T.D.s that gets a high vote in Ireland does so because they look after their constituencies. The H.R.s just do it more blatantly

SlowBlowin · 08-11-2019 1:21pm

Blatantly = Transparency.

Transparency is a good thing.

blinding · 08-11-2019 1:25pm

I hope for Kerry peoples continued good Public Representation that the Healy Raes have a good breeding programme in action .

SlowBlowin · 08-11-2019 1:28pm

I think in 2022 MHR is going out to stud.

Igotadose · 08-11-2019 1:29pm

blinding wrote: »

I hope for Kerry peoples continued good Public Representation that the Healy Raes have a good breeding programme in action .

They do. Next generation are all over the local councils. Two of Michaels's sons roughed up a few lads, with their trial postponed to November. One of them still got elected.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/healyrae-brothers-assault-trial-to-resume-in-november-38535286.html

SlowBlowin · 08-11-2019 1:34pm

Not met Jackie Jr. but Johnny is a nice lad.

blinding · 08-11-2019 2:05pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I think in 2022 MHR is going out to stud.

Very important . The more Healy Raes to choose from the better .

The J Stands for Jay · 08-11-2019 2:06pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

There were a lot of books sold, there was a least 8 people manning the sales counters before and after the launch and an awful lot of people were buying more than one copy. On last nights sales alone I'd say it will make the best sellers list.

It likely will. It takes depressingly few sales to top the bestseller list in Ireland.

John_Rambo · 08-11-2019 3:24pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Gregory was the first instance of Me Feinism that I can recall

Except he didn't become a multi-millionaire on the back of his work.
He alleviated abject poverty & neglect and stood up to the lazy Gardai, the lazy government and the drug lords in his fight against heroin.

Graces7 · 08-11-2019 4:11pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

It's a thread about the Healy Rae's dear.

The Healy Rae's dear what?

Edgware · 08-11-2019 5:39pm

Graces7 wrote: »

The Healy Rae's dear what?

It the Healy's Rae not the Healy Rae's

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 08-11-2019 5:49pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

It's a thread about the Healy Rae's dear.

Should that not be Deer?

ohnonotgmail · 08-11-2019 5:51pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I think in 2022 MHR is going out to stud.

I think Michael may be a bit disappointed when the AI man appears.

blinding · 08-11-2019 6:22pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think Michael may be a bit disappointed when the AI man appears.

They are way ahead of Artificial Inteligence .

Galwayguy35 · 08-11-2019 8:32pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Except he didn't become a multi-millionaire on the back of his work.
He alleviated abject poverty & neglect and stood up to the lazy Gardai, the lazy government and the drug lords in his fight against heroin.

In fairness there's nothing wrong with making smart business decisions to become rich.

Dubs seem to regard Gregory as some kind of saint.

John_Rambo · 08-11-2019 8:44pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

In fairness there's nothing wrong with making smart business decisions to become rich.

Good point. You're dead right, Healy Rae's a smart, cynical and opportunistic mover. Protested at the Allsops auctions of the distressed properties, then sneaked in the back door and bought a house from them that was seized from one of his constituents that couldn't afford the mortgage to further his profit.

Not afraid to screw over his fellow county families to further his property portfolio whilst pretending to care.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Dubs seem to regard Gregory as some kind of saint.

Gregory actually saved lives, combatted slum lords & drug lords, he took big risks and unlike the Healy Rae's didn't abuse his constituents pain and distress to fill his already full & greasy pockets.

marieholmfan · 14-11-2019 11:31am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

In fairness there's nothing wrong with making smart business decisions to become rich.

Dubs seem to regard Gregory as some kind of saint.

Gregory is one of the few politicians whose question isn't what's in it for me!

Rows Grower · 14-11-2019 12:32pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Gregory is one of the few politicians whose question isn't what's in it for me!

You do know he's dead 10 years?

The Healy Raes

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