Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

mammajamma · 01-11-2018 11:52pm #1

This is just kerrraaazy!

I've heard mention of it over the last few days but only read into it tonight. According to different sources there are between 4 and 15 thousand people marching toward the border of the united states, with more joining in each day.

This particular caravan is from Honduras in the main, but already there are apparently several other copy-cat caravans starting from Salvador and other places too.

Looking at videos of the marching lines it just seems apocalyptic. Whats going to happen here, and more importantly, whats the knock-on effect going forward? Is there going to be violence at the border and people killed en masse (already many clashes along other countries borders)?

Why are they walking through several safe countries if they just want to escape so-called immediate oppression?

If the united states lets them in, surely that's the signal for the whole of central and south America to just walk in and set up shop. What signal will that send about Europe, if any?

This is going to end really badly. Its so out of control, I don't even have a suggestion as to how to fix it.

Does anyone else see this ending in a good way?

emo72 · 01-11-2018 11:55pm

dont help create hellholes that people want to leave. they may turn up at your front door.

dxhound2005 · 01-11-2018 11:56pm

Build a wall.

Fann Linn · 01-11-2018 11:56pm

Build that wall.

corner of hells · 01-11-2018 11:56pm

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=2ahUKEwjcuuKTpbTeAhUKIsAKHSU2C80Q8TUwAXoECAkQEQ&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov

mammajamma · 01-11-2018 11:57pm

emo72 wrote: »

dont help create hellholes that people want to leave.

And seeing as we're out of time-machines, what outcome do you see in reality?

Not to mention they already passed through several safe countries, so whats up with that?

emo72 · 01-11-2018 11:58pm

mammajamma wrote: »

And seeing as we're out of time-machines, what outcome do you see in reality?

Not to mention they already passed through several safe countries, so whats up with that?

safe countries yes, but not greatest country like USA. BOO YAH!

mammajamma · 01-11-2018 11:59pm

corner of hells wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=2ahUKEwjcuuKTpbTeAhUKIsAKHSU2C80Q8TUwAXoECAkQEQ&usg=AOvVaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov

Theres something really weird with that link, it wouldn't load. What is it?

bloodless_coup · 02-11-2018 12:01am

It's a good thing we live on an island. The end times are coming.

corner of hells · 02-11-2018 12:02am

mammajamma wrote: »

Theres something really weird with that link, it wouldn't load. What is it?

Caravan of Love , the Housemartins

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 12:02am

Fann Linn wrote: »

Build that wall.

I mean, even if a gigantic wall were built, this gives the impression that people are going to just camp out beside it, in ever greater numbers.

What then?!

Fann Linn · 02-11-2018 12:04am

mammajamma wrote: »

I mean, even if a gigantic wall were built, this gives the impression that people are going to just camp out beside it, in ever greater numbers.

What then?!

Throw boiling oil down on them!

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 12:08am

I completely understand people needing to escape dangerous situations. But this is something different. This isn't about safety or danger.

I feel that the majority of the blame lies at the feet of those who rolled out red-carpets for immigration. It was always going to end this way. A bad idea for everyone involved, except for the short-term, feel-good, no-brainers who got this ball rolling.

Plenty of things shouldnt have happened in the past with regard wars and western intervention, but this insanity was never going to solve any of it. In fact, it seems like it has made things far, far worse going forward.

Its almost incredible.

Sand · 02-11-2018 12:09am

It is all a bit like Game of Thrones really.

milehip · 02-11-2018 12:10am

mammajamma wrote: »

Looking at videos of the marching lines it just seems apocalyptic.

The dystopia is now.

vicwatson · 02-11-2018 12:11am

Send 15,000 troops to greet them, oh wait

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 12:11am

middelsburgh wrote: »

Trump should follow Chancellor Merkel and Open The Borders

There are going to be absolute ructions over this. Let them all in, you may as well declare that you don't have a country, and watch the united states just descend into mad-max style violence.

Don't let them in, they'll either start piling up at the border and/or it will cause an internal civil war (and maybe not just politically).

Mad stuff, ted.

I don't see any solution for this.

Fann Linn · 02-11-2018 12:11am

middelsburgh wrote: »

the majrity of the refugees from honduras are women and children
and the men are doctors and engineers
OPEN THET BORDER PRESIDENT TRUMP

Now where did we hear that before?

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 12:17am

middelsburgh wrote: »

the majrity of the refugees from honduras are women and children
and the men are doctors and engineers
OPEN THET BORDER PRESIDENT TRUMP

Those crazy lies were always going to lead to this stuff eventually. Its STILL weird to actually see it in action though. And if anything, its just the beginning.

I mean, why would it stop now?

It certainly isn't impossible that there will be some kind of bloodbath at the American border. And then an internal bloodbath within the united states, I mean, at the end of the day, there are a lot of people living in America that want this to happen, friends, families, mis-guided people. Theyd all be pushing for this. That countries going to go pop!

nullzero · 02-11-2018 12:24am

Such a preposterous situation.
Why should any country be expected to simply allow that many people just walk over their border.
There are people in America who will be up in arms over these people not being allowed cross the border.
It's like something from a cartoon, absolutely outlandish.

Omackeral · 02-11-2018 12:28am

Sand wrote: »

It is all a bit like Game of Thrones really.

I would've said Jobstown.

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 12:31am

nullzero wrote: »

Such a preposterous situation.
Why should any country be expected to simply allow that many people just walk over their border.
There are people in America who will be up in arms over these people not being allowed cross the border.
It's like something from a cartoon, absolutely outlandish.

There was some controversial book written way back (not a lot of info there!), and the basic concept was that ship after ship load of third world people just arrive on the shores of Britain (think it was Britain). There were so many, there was only the choice of mass murder, or just allowing them all in. So they let them all in and the country is just destroyed by the numbers.

Whatever that book is, this is like the test for it or something. I mean, if several hundred thousand people just turned up at the border with America, what could happen?

And whats to stop that from happening? Its just people walking!

Some dodge-minded people thought it was a great message to send out to the world, like merkle...it was a terrible idea. Like, perhaps one of the worst decisions of the century, even only 18 years into it.

Omackeral · 02-11-2018 12:33am

middelsburgh wrote: »

sorry tldr
ps i'm only trolling till i get banned
but good luck in the debate:)

There are some that legitimately post like that and they aren't trolling!

02-11-2018 12:37am

Was I the only one who thought this was about the Canavans?

PS: That must be one big caravan.

AlekSmart · 02-11-2018 12:50am

nullzero wrote: »

Such a preposterous situation.
Why should any country be expected to simply allow that many people just walk over their border.
There are people in America who will be up in arms over these people not being allowed cross the border.
It's like something from a cartoon, absolutely outlandish.

Heysoos....I'm getting baffelized here

I am assured quite regularly here,and elsewhere,that America is a kip,yea ?

It's full of druggies,gangsta's,cowboys n' girls and loads of other indescribables ?

Loads of Homeless.....loads of sick and indigent....no Free Transport Scheme,No HSE/NHS or Doctors Visit Cards and,apparently only the Red Indians qualify as "Native".

Oh and yes,I nearly forgot,the place is run by a hugely unpopular despotic President who seized power in a sort of coup apparently ?

So..........

Has nobody told these Caravanist's the truth....

Surely,if they knew THE TRUTH,they'd do a rapid U turn and head instead for North Korea,China,Russia or some other really friendly and welcoming place...or even Ireland ?

It's baffling Joe,really baffling :cool:

nullzero · 02-11-2018 12:55am

AlekSmart wrote: »

Heysoos....I'm getting baffelized here

I am assured quite regularly here,and elsewhere,that America is a kip,yea ?

It's full of druggies,gangsta's,cowboys n' girls and loads of other indescribables ?

Loads of Homeless.....loads of sick and indigent....no Free Transport Scheme,No HSE/NHS or Doctors Visit Cards and,apparently only the Red Indians qualify as "Native".

Oh and yes,I nearly forgot,the place is run by a hugely unpopular despotic President who seized power in a sort of coup apparently ?

So..........

Has nobody told these Caravanist's the truth....

Surely,if they knew THE TRUTH,they'd do a rapid U turn and head instead for North Korea,China,Russia or some other really friendly and welcoming place...or even Ireland ?

It's baffling Joe,really baffling :cool:

Well they're all dreaming of the in constant danger of being shot(just like at home) only with the added bonus of being descrimated against for being immigrants at the same time.

mad muffin · 02-11-2018 12:56am

Well… looks like the barbarians are at the door.

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 1:00am

AlekSmart wrote: »

Heysoos....I'm getting baffelized here

I am assured quite regularly here,and elsewhere,that America is a kip,yea ?

It's full of druggies,gangsta's,cowboys n' girls and loads of other indescribables ?

Loads of Homeless.....loads of sick and indigent....no Free Transport Scheme,No HSE/NHS or Doctors Visit Cards and,apparently only the Red Indians qualify as "Native".

Oh and yes,I nearly forgot,the place is run by a hugely unpopular despotic President who seized power in a sort of coup apparently ?

So..........

Has nobody told these Caravanist's the truth....

Surely,if they knew THE TRUTH,they'd do a rapid U turn and head instead for North Korea,China,Russia or some other really friendly and welcoming place...or even Ireland ?

It's baffling Joe,really baffling :cool:

Watched a cnn interview earlier, and they had a reporter travelling with one of the caravans. There are people in the crowd literally saying trump is the antichrist, and amercia has no right to turn them away, and that they are "workers and fighters"

I mean, you cant make this up!

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 1:10am

middelsburgh wrote: »

don't underestimate the demonrats
remember the false allegations against justice kavanaugh,
the fake bombs democrats sent to themselves,
they are desperate, if you corner a rat he will bite

It seems to be the way of most countries now, there is one side that lives in reality, and the other side that lives in some alternate dimension.

The problem in dealing with people unattached to reality is that you'll end up looking like the bad guy. Its ridiculous.

Like stopping a child from eating too many sweets for its own good, only in this case the child throws a tantrum via worldwide broadcasting and tries to rally others to its cause.

The people who set-up and encouraged this infantile behaviour should be brought to hand for this. In this particular case with the caravans, theres a very strong likelihood there will be bloodshed. The encouragers should be held accountable.

dhaughton99 · 02-11-2018 1:10am

It’s supposed to be 40 days away from US border. Every piece I seen on this caravan has been totally anti US / anti Trump. No borders. Blow me.

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 1:15am

dhaughton99 wrote: »

It’s supposed to be 40 days away from US border. Every piece I seen on this caravan has been totally anti US / anti Trump. No borders. Blow me.

Don't forget, its not the only one, apparently there are more on the way.

Its just lunacy, I'm not mad on Donald trump, but compared to the options on offer over there...theres literally no choice but him. The others are spaced out of their minds.

What a choice!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-11-2018 1:26am

mammajamma wrote: »

There was some controversial book written way back (not a lot of info there!), and the basic concept was that ship after ship load of third world people just arrive on the shores of Britain (think it was Britain). There were so many, there was only the choice of mass murder, or just allowing them all in. So they let them all in and the country is just destroyed by the numbers.

Whatever that book is, this is like the test for it or something. I mean, if several hundred thousand people just turned up at the border with America, what could happen?

And whats to stop that from happening? Its just people walking!

Some dodge-minded people thought it was a great message to send out to the world, like merkle...it was a terrible idea. Like, perhaps one of the worst decisions of the century, even only 18 years into it.

Camp of saints. A right wing book.

Honestly if you told me that this caravan was secretly funded by the right or Russia I’d believe it.

Trump seems to understand that too. If thousands of people are outside a wall in one great group it will seem like an invasion, even though relative to yearly immigration it’s not huge.

The crowd at the wall will probably grow anyway by the time it gets there, with local Mexicans, activists, NGOs and others joining the protests. There could be 100,000 or more.

Rather than discredit the wall it would do the exact opposite.

Lyle Lanley · 02-11-2018 1:38am

mammajamma wrote: »

There are going to be absolute ructions over this. Let them all in, you may as well declare that you don't have a country, and watch the united states just descend into mad-max style violence.

Don't let them in, they'll either start piling up at the border and/or it will cause an internal civil war (and maybe not just politically).

Mad stuff, ted.

I don't see any solution for this.

Open borders for some, miniature American flags for others?

mammajamma · 02-11-2018 2:39am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Camp of saints. A right wing book.

Honestly if you told me that this caravan was secretly funded by the right or Russia I’d believe it.

Trump seems to understand that too. If thousands of people are outside a wall in one great group it will seem like an invasion, even though relative to yearly immigration it’s not huge.

The crowd at the wall will probably grow anyway by the time it gets there, with local Mexicans, activists, NGOs and others joining the protests. There could be 100,000 or more.

Rather than discredit the wall it would do the exact opposite.

That's just it, its so ridiculous in origin, it would be normal to question it!

When I fist heard mention a few days ago, I honestly believed it was some kind of trump mega-exaggeration, maybe even a lie. The media! But you can see it actually marching along, unless they're all republican actors. Or are they Russians, I forget what I was told to believe?

vicwatson · 02-11-2018 2:59am

dhaughton99 wrote: »

It’s supposed to be 40 days away from US border. Every piece I seen on this caravan has been totally anti US / anti Trump. No borders. Blow me.

Yes, it’s in south western mexico/ guatamalen border area

vicwatson · 02-11-2018 3:01am

This reminds me a lot of the invasion of the Americas by Europeans

mynamejeff · 02-11-2018 3:05am

Well they get stopped at the boarder . sorry folks your no coming in without the right papers and we have no idea who or what you are .

camp set up on in one of the most lawless places in the world containing a large percentage of desperate and helpless people

lefty's and bleeding hearts scream bloody murder . criminals and people traffickers run amok in the camp

eventually there's an attempt to storm the wall and there's bloodshed , lots and lots of bloodshed.

the left's try and get trump impeached again the right wing nut jobs hail him as a savior of nation.

it all fades away sort of like the occupy movement because it does not effect the people who matter

Fann Linn · 02-11-2018 7:35pm

Trump considering sending 15000 troops to the Border. Should be interesting.

TheValeyard · 02-11-2018 7:40pm

US troops will consider those throwing rocks to be the same as those with guns......

Wtf, have they been getting protest control lessons from the Israeli's?

SEPT 23 1989 · 02-11-2018 7:43pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Trump considering sending 15000 troops to the Border. Should be interesting.

Imagine sending your army to defend your countries border

The man has gone completely insane

Pkiernan · 02-11-2018 7:43pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

US troops will consider those throwing rocks to be the same as those with guns......

Wtf, have they been getting protest control lessons from the Israeli's?

4000 refugees throwing rocks at you would make you soil your pants...

TheValeyard · 02-11-2018 7:44pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

4000 refugees throwing rocks at you would make you soil your pants...

Nowhere near that number would be throwing rocks. It's like the paratroopers up North shooting protesters.

Odhinn · 02-11-2018 7:56pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

US troops will consider those throwing rocks to be the same as those with guns......

Wtf, have they been getting protest control lessons from the Israeli's?

Hanging around likudniks is never going to produce anything other than thuggery on a state level.

Fann Linn · 02-11-2018 8:00pm

If 15000 march together, across different countries, that could appear to be an invasion.

IvySlayer · 02-11-2018 8:01pm

Sending troops was a smart idea, PR wise anyway, or else vigilantes with guns would be there instead.

Bought time anyway!

green shoots · 02-11-2018 8:04pm

It's sad really. I mean it's easy for us to say omg they can't just expect to walk in there, but if you or I were from sh*thole like Honduras, chances are you'd be in the caravan too.
Here in Europe we can expect an endless growing flow of Africans to start flooding Europe, especially with climate change and droughts and crop failures etc. I really expect to see machine guns slaughtering hoardes trying to enter the US/Europe, before I die. The world is bursting at the seams and resources are going to become more scarce.

TheValeyard · 02-11-2018 8:05pm

IvySlayer wrote: »

Sending troops was a smart idea, PR wise anyway, or else vigilantes with guns would be there instead.

Bought time anyway!

Could be a massacre if those militia nuts decided to get involved. At least the army will keep them at bay.

wexie · 02-11-2018 8:07pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

If 15000 march together, across different countries, that could appear to be an invasion.

Calling 15000 people trying to get into a country with a population of over 300 million an 'invasion' is like calling a mosquito in your room an assassination attempt...

:rolleyes:

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-11-2018 8:08pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Imagine sending your army to defend your countries border

Who should they send instead?

School teachers, refrigerator installers or maybe hairdressers - all who would have no knowledge nor experience of estabilishing a perimeter, or the border security of a sovereign nation...

Fann Linn · 02-11-2018 8:09pm

wexie wrote: »

Calling 15000 people trying to get into a country with a population of over 300 million an 'invasion' is like calling a mosquito in your room an assassination attempt...

:rolleyes:

Recon.

Fann Linn · 02-11-2018 8:10pm

Jesus Flaky Subway wrote: »

Who should they send instead?

School teachers, refrigerator installers or maybe hairdressers - all who would have no knowledge nor experience of estabilishing a perimeter, or the border security of a sovereign nation...

I think it was tongue in cheek.

Immigrant Caravan's WTF?!

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