Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 9:34pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Where are we? In court? I don't have to do anything and the files have been long destroyed.

So if I said Gerry Adams was definitely in the IRA, Enda Kenny wears leopard skin budgie smugglers and boards poster DONTMATTER was a member of a swinging site you would take all of those claims as fact or would you ask.me.for evidence to back up my claim?

Spook_ie · 26-06-2018 9:35pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Where are we? In court? I don't have to do anything and the files have been long destroyed.

I have no doubt that if someone said Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were IRA leaders you'd be asking for proof.

steddyeddy · 26-06-2018 9:38pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why would it be highlighted in the piece if it's inconsequential? As regards moving into this century - no thanks - hell will freeze over before I embrace the Irish language/the GAA/SF etc. Thanks for the advice though.

You don't have to. There's a huge surge in support for a united Ireland post-Brexit. The people happy to stay in the past will be left there.

Brexit has caused a huge surge in support for a united Ireland among the population of Northern Ireland, according to new research.

A poll by YouGov commissioned by the BBC found that a referendum or “border poll” on whether to leave the UK would now be a close-run result, with undecided voters having the casting vote.

Over a quarter of people in the six counties say they have changed their mind since the Brexit vote and now support a united Ireland – bringing polling for a referendum to 45 per cent staying in the UK and 42 per cent leaving it, with 13 per cent undecided.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:39pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So if I said Gerry Adams was definitely in the IRA, Enda Kenny wears leopard skin budgie smugglers and boards poster DONTMATTER was a member of a swinging site you would take all of those claims as fact or would you ask.me.for evidence to back up my claim?

That's why I asked you on the last page about any evidence of Gerry Adams being in the IRA. Do you have any?
It's on the same scale as this.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 9:40pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

I have no doubt that if someone said Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were IRA leaders you'd be asking for proof.

No because of course they were in the IRA, I don't have proof though. The denials of British security forces involvement in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings is on the same scale as I said.

AlekSmart · 26-06-2018 9:41pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Between this, the Price Harry visit and the hot weather, the Shinnerbots are going into meltdown.

Take a stroll around any middlin size Irish town and try counting those who know anything about the "Four Green Fields".....this place has moved far beyond what lots on here,may be comfortable with.....Commissioner Harris's stance on Pride Week and LGBT inclusion,will be of far more relevance to modern Irish of all persuasions....;)

This'll be the man to Police the hardish/softish post Brexit landscape too...;)

(Wonder if he is any relation of Eoghan Harris...Anne Harris....or Pino Harris.....?

Taytoland · 26-06-2018 9:43pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Patww79 wrote: »

He's a northern loyalist.

So no evidence at all that he feels this way just you're assertations that he is A so he must want B :rolleyes:

As I said, idiotic post and an idiotic claim.

He's not too far wrong, I met him in the local orange hall, he's brilliant on the flute playing the sash during band practice and in his spare time attends Mason meetings along with myself and all the senior DUP members as we plot on a way to make the South Protestant.

26-06-2018 9:48pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He was making €200k in his former job.

Price of housing and cost of living down here he will be worse off.

And as a public servant he'll be paying c. 58% tax (probably slightly more when the 10% extra PRD tax for all public servants is added on to PAYE, USC and PRSI) on all his income above €32,000. While the hardworking tradesmen and handymen of Ireland, among other businesses, pay all their taxes and out of principle would never dream of doing cash jobs, these bleedin' public servants are bleedin this country dry so they are...

Del.Monte · 26-06-2018 9:48pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Take a stroll around any middlin size Irish town and try counting those who know anything about the "Four Green Fields".....this place has moved far beyond what lots on here,may be comfortable with.....Commissioner Harris's stance on Pride Week and LGBT inclusion,will be of far more relevance to modern Irish of all persuasions....;)

This'll be the man to Police the hardish/softish post Brexit landscape too...;)

(Wonder if he is any relation of Eoghan Harris...Anne Harris....or Pino Harris.....?

Or Richard Harris *the Bull" - now there was a man who knew about Green Fields.

flas · 26-06-2018 9:49pm

Taytoland wrote: »

He's not too far wrong, I met him in the local orange hall, he's brilliant on the flute playing the sash during band practice and in his spare time attends Mason meetings along with myself and all the senior DUP members as we plot on a way to make the South Protestant.

Nobody in the south cares about Protestantism,Catholicism,religion,loyalism or nationalism, we have normal every day things to worry about, it will be a welcome relief for all the people of the north east of this island when they realise this upon unification

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 9:49pm

I hope someone from ROI will take his place as Deputy CC of PSNI.

Joking, but still, in time, it could happen!

Well maybe not from the current or past crop of AGS. Backs away now.

TallGlass · 26-06-2018 9:50pm

So having skimmed over a few of the first pages.

IRA, UDA, Corruption, MI5, United Ireland.

Welcome to After Hours!

Best of luck to the guy, hopefully we will see some real changes maybe if the Garda get the house in order we can then work on the judicial system.

Taytoland · 26-06-2018 9:52pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why would it be highlighted in the piece if it's inconsequential? As regards moving into this century - no thanks - hell will freeze over before I embrace the Irish language/the GAA/SF etc. Thanks for the advice though.

You don't have to. There's a huge surge in support for a united Ireland post-Brexit. The people happy to stay in the past will be left there.

Brexit has caused a huge surge in support for a united Ireland among the population of Northern Ireland, according to new research.

A poll by YouGov commissioned by the BBC found that a referendum or “border poll” on whether to leave the UK would now be a close-run result, with undecided voters having the casting vote.

Over a quarter of people in the six counties say they have changed their mind since the Brexit vote and now support a united Ireland – bringing polling for a referendum to 45 per cent staying in the UK and 42 per cent leaving it, with 13 per cent undecided.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44468686

[font=Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Latest figures from the Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey suggest there is still a substantial majority in favour of Northern Ireland remaining in the UK.[/font]
[font=Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The survey, which was set up by Queen's and Ulster Universities, found that 55% of those interviewed would vote for Northern Ireland to remain in the UK.[/font]
[font=Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]This compares to only 22% who said they would back a United Ireland.[/font]

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 9:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And as a public servant he'll be paying c. 58% tax (probably slightly more when the 10% extra PRD tax for all public servants is added on to PAYE, USC and PRSI) on all his income above €32,000. While the hardworking tradesmen and handymen of Ireland, among other businesses, pay all their taxes and out of principle would never dream of doing cash jobs, these bleedin' public servants are bleedin this country dry so they are...

That is irrelevant. He knew all this before putting his name and application forward. What fkn planet are you all living on.

It is the stepping stone. Who cares as long as he sorts out the doughnut munchers in the Garda Stations and gets some work done.

It is only five years. That is nothing. He has to do it though.

Del.Monte · 26-06-2018 9:53pm

flas wrote: »

Nobody in the south cares about Protestantism,Catholicism,religion,loyalism or nationalism, we have normal every day things to worry about, it will be a welcome relief for all the people of the north east of this island when they realise this upon unification

Judging from this thread your statement is on wobbly ground, and this thread is typical of many a pub conversation about our northern brethren.

dxhound2005 · 26-06-2018 9:53pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any links to that? I think he already has two years in Scotland's police force so he has that anyway.

I'm sure his contract precludes any payoff or pensions contributions if he leaves before his tenure/contract is up.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/george-hamilton-named-as-new-psni-chief-constable-30315184.html

The father-of-four from Bangor was the only officer in the PSNI eligible to apply for the post after the Policing Board, which is the PSNI's oversight body, opted to retain the controversial criterion which required all candidates to have served at senior command level outside Northern Ireland.

Any links to what postion(s) he held in Scotland? Any links to those contract details?

steddyeddy · 26-06-2018 9:53pm

flas wrote: »

Nobody in the south cares about Protestantism,Catholicism,religion,loyalism or nationalism, we have normal every day things to worry about, it will be a welcome relief for all the people of the north east of this island when they realise this upon unification

This exactly. I'm a Catholic with Protestant family members and let me tell you there's zero difference. The Northern examples on here who talk about their own kind as "prods" are something not seen in normal society.

steddyeddy · 26-06-2018 9:55pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Judging from this thread your statement is on wobbly ground, and this thread is typical of many a pub conversation about our northern brethren.

From you mainly....

Well, I watched that and the only really bit of sense was spoken by Seamus Mallon - make haste slowly! All the old bull showing a handful of Prods doing Irish dancing gives me the heebie-jeebies and is truly cringeworthy.

Taytoland · 26-06-2018 9:57pm

flas wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

He's not too far wrong, I met him in the local orange hall, he's brilliant on the flute playing the sash during band practice and in his spare time attends Mason meetings along with myself and all the senior DUP members as we plot on a way to make the South Protestant.

Nobody in the south cares about Protestantism,Catholicism,religion,loyalism or nationalism, we have normal every day things to worry about, it will be a welcome relief for all the people of the north east of this island when they realise this upon unification

With respect this thread is proof that some people can't seem to let it go. Why are some against this appointment? His Orange membership should not be a reason against it.

AlekSmart · 26-06-2018 9:58pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why would it be highlighted in the piece if it's inconsequential? As regards moving into this century - no thanks - hell will freeze over before I embrace the Irish language/the GAA/SF etc. Thanks for the advice though.

Crikey Man..ye need'nt worry on that score...apart from Sporty types,there's feic all embracin of the rest around the provinces....Modern Irish folks are more concerned about the availability of flights to their dacha's in Spain or other European spots....

Many may feel a certain sadness at it,but reality points to a modern Ireland that has effectively,NO historical baggage.

Much of this is connected to the long and close relationship which the Church of Rome enjoyed with "Nationalism".

One of the unintended consequences of our "New"..."Enlightened" and "Modern" attitude to the Catholic Church is that the historical ....mmmm ?...Non Religious...? elements of Irish Catholicism now count for little,as they slide away in the memories of the 20 somethings of 1979....now often battling the ravages of dementia,alzheimers and the rest.

Time,marches on

steddyeddy · 26-06-2018 10:00pm

Taytoland wrote: »

With respect this thread is proof that some people can't seem to let it go. Why are some against this appointment? His Orange membership should not be a reason against it.

Nice try. Given his views on the order I think that's unlikely.

pearcider · 26-06-2018 10:00pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Oh dear, obviously written by somebody too young to remember the Troubles? The vast majority down south supported them - Lol - sure they did, as the IRA threatened to bring down civil war on the whole populace down here and routinely shot members of our police force, kidnapped people and ran kangaroo courts. A wonderful bunch altogether. :rolleyes:

When did the IRA threaten to bring down civil war on the republic? Don't be ridiculous. They were fighting from being cowed by a brutal and unyielding sectarian establishment. It all kicked off with the civil rights movement and the violent response of the Unionists to that. There's plenty of evidence of the RUC battering peaceful catholic protestors in the archives. You're trying to revise history pal. Go back to school.

If anything it was the UK who agitated for spreading the conflict south with the Monaghan and Dublin bombings. You might want to look up the arms crisis or the hunger strikes and see the public reaction in the south to that. Certainly didn't do haughey any harm. But I expect you won't since you're a troll and nothing more.

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 10:00pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/george-hamilton-named-as-new-psni-chief-constable-30315184.html

The father-of-four from Bangor was the only officer in the PSNI eligible to apply for the post after the Policing Board, which is the PSNI's oversight body, opted to retain the controversial criterion which required all candidates to have served at senior command level outside Northern Ireland.

Any links to what postion(s) he held in Scotland? Any links to those contract details?

https://www.psni.police.uk/inside-psni/our-leadership/Deputy-Chief-Constable-Drew-Harris/ Fifth pargraph down. Take it as you will. I'm just quoting here.

Taytoland · 26-06-2018 10:01pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

flas wrote: »

Nobody in the south cares about Protestantism,Catholicism,religion,loyalism or nationalism, we have normal every day things to worry about, it will be a welcome relief for all the people of the north east of this island when they realise this upon unification

This exactly. I'm a Catholic with Protestant family members and let me tell you there's zero difference. The Northern examples on here who talk about their own kind as "prods" are something not seen in normal society.

It's a forum for entertainment purposes, in reality most people don't talk about these issues in everyday life and I certainly have never heard such political talk when I'm with Catholics married into my own family, it's just a bit of fun.

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 10:03pm

The anti British sentiment is just below the surface all the time. Why is that, have we not moved on with GFA and all that.

Jeeeeesus it is painful now. Move on or forever be a fossil.

dxhound2005 · 26-06-2018 10:08pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

https://www.psni.police.uk/inside-psni/our-leadership/Deputy-Chief-Constable-Drew-Harris/ Fifth pargraph down. Take it as you will. I'm just quoting here.

Not high enough up. Hamilton was the only officer in 2014 with the correct qualifications.

AllForIt · 26-06-2018 10:08pm

Well given he's from the north he can't be blamed for anything that went on in the past in Ireland. The last thing we want is another 'sack the commissioner' debacle. Not that I know much about him he does seem to be someone of some considerable experience and ability. I give him 6 months.

26-06-2018 10:10pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

hell will freeze over before I embrace the Irish language/the GAA/SF etc.

Ah here, punish yourself a little more for being Irish..........

Drifter50 · 26-06-2018 10:11pm

Taytoland wrote: »

It was 21% in another poll who want a United Ireland last month. Maybe he just got appointed because he is highly experienced and great at his job. I do find it funny though how some think it is some grand conspiracy for unification. :cheerful:

Yes, you`re correct, it was 21% of a face to face survey. Some on line survey which you could`nt trust came up with 42%

Also 47% of the NI population consider themselves UK citizens

UI is a long way off

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-06-2018 10:22pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

That's why I asked you on the last page about any evidence of Gerry Adams being in the IRA. Do you have any?
It's on the same scale as this.

I never claimed he was! You made claims im.askiny you to back them up with evidence.

Do you not understand how this works?

26-06-2018 10:23pm

Drifter50 wrote: »

Yes, you`re correct, it was 21% of a face to face survey. Some on line survey which you could`nt trust came up with 42%

Also 47% of the NI population consider themselves UK citizens

UI is a long way off

You mean the online BBC survey?

Oh, my. This is a bit like the time in 1998 when Paisley called the Queen of England a "parrot" because he didn't like the message.

A majority of all age cohorts in NI under 40 describe themselves as Catholic. And how many DUP Catholics have you come across? A strong majority of students at all levels are similar. This reality is not debated. So, you can keep your head in the sand about the changes, or you can start planning now.

Outlaw Pete · 26-06-2018 10:25pm

Bet the first change he makes is to allow those being interegated to phone home.

Do you see what I did? Do you see it? Have ye it twigged? Don't know how I come up with them so I don't. Soon as I seen the name, boom. Gifted I guess. Man the heat is something, what.

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 10:29pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Not high enough up. Hamilton was the only officer in 2014 with the correct qualifications.

Hugh Orde should have been the one. But he has moved on too. As they all do.Not taking away for a minute from Drew Harris either.

But as long as they achieve what their contract says, it is all good.

VERY glad to see an outsider here. Thank Fk at last. If it takes ten years I don't mind either.

Taytoland · 26-06-2018 10:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Del.Monte wrote: »

As regards moving into this century - no thanks - hell will freeze over before I embrace the Irish language/the GAA/SF etc. Thanks for the advice though.

Ah that's what they all say. To paraphrase your man in that film, inside every Unionist is a Fenian trying to get out... and become Hiberniores Hibernis ipsis, just as their radical Irish republican ancestors were before the Act of Union in 1800 (which, of course, the now Unionist Orange Order opposed at the time but shhh).

One must wonder why they massacred Protestants then during the rebellion, people not even involved in it.

Del.Monte · 26-06-2018 10:31pm

pearcider wrote: »

When did the IRA threaten to bring down civil war on the republic? Don't be ridiculous. They were fighting from being cowed by a brutal and unyielding sectarian establishment. It all kicked off with the civil rights movement and the violent response of the Unionists to that. There's plenty of evidence of the RUC battering peaceful catholic protestors in the archives. You're trying to revise history pal. Go back to school.

If anything it was the UK who agitated for spreading the conflict south with the Monaghan and Dublin bombings. You might want to look up the arms crisis or the hunger strikes and see the public reaction in the south to that. Certainly didn't do haughey any harm. But I expect you won't since you're a troll and nothing more.

Several points:

1) I'm not your 'pal'.

2) Your not supposed to accuse people of trolling in a thread - not that I care.

3) What I meant was that the IRA campaign up North could have resulted in a more widespread conflict on the whole island. I didn't mean that the IRA were going to start a civil war in the south - but you knew that didn't you.

4) Unlike you I am old enough to remember what happened in the sixties and seventies and don't need to resort to Google and YouTube for my history.

Anyway, I'm out so keep any Further insults for tomorrow.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 10:32pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The anti British sentiment is just below the surface all the time. Why is that, have we not moved on with GFA and all that.

Jeeeeesus it is painful now. Move on or forever be a fossil.

It's not anti British! It's anti the British security forces who murdered innocent Irish people in the recent past. There's families that haven't seen any justice!

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 10:34pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I never claimed he was! You made claims im.askiny you to back them up with evidence.

Do you not understand how this works?

Do you understand that we're not in court?

Deniers of this are on the same level as deniers of Gerry Adams being in the IRA.

archer22 · 26-06-2018 10:45pm

I would be amazed if Drew Harris sticks one year of trying to reform that bunch of Mongos...at least he will soon realise why the salary offered was so high, he will earn every Euro of it

sabat · 26-06-2018 10:45pm

His name sounds like a teenager from the wrong side of the tracks in Neighbours or Home and Away.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 10:47pm

archer22 wrote: »

I would be amazed if Drew Harris sticks one year of trying to reform that bunch of Mongos...at least he will soon realise why the salary offered was so high, he will earn every Euro of it

The bunch of mongos mightn't be great but this Harris was around when the ruc were murdering innocents.

Sycamore Tree · 26-06-2018 10:48pm

I just want a commissioner that tells the truth, the whole truth...

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 10:49pm

The IRA and all that is just a kick away from a riot or an atrocity. Judging by the posts on here.

Honestly it is unreal how some still are entrenched in their view when many more have actually moved on and given space to those they detest. That is the measure of maturity.

Spanish Eyes · 26-06-2018 10:51pm

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It's not anti British! It's anti the British security forces who murdered innocent Irish people in the recent past. There's families that haven't seen any justice!

You have not moved on. So there is that really. Fault on both sides as we know.

Those affected seem to have done that, difficult as it was for them, all in the name of peace. I salute them.

Junkyard Tom · 26-06-2018 10:52pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The anti British sentiment is just below the surface all the time.

The anti-British sentiment you're incorrectly naming is more accurately described as anti-British state and its murderous, sectarian, history in Ireland.

We will never let that be forgotten.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 10:56pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

You have not moved on. So there is that really. Fault on both sides as we know.

Those affected seem to have done that, difficult as it was for them, all in the name of peace. I salute them.

Fault on both sides, the name of peace, all that sh1t. It's not a game for some people, it's some random thing that just happened.
For others they're still searching for justice. Some have been blocked even from having an investigation. Others know their family members killers but they either have never spent a day in prison or have been released.

timthumbni · 26-06-2018 11:00pm

Actually Kudos for the original poster to not only bring up someone’s religion in relation to them getting a job in the republic but also the specific offshoot of their religion.

This so called “united” Ireland isn’t exactly sounding very “United” now is it??.

This thread is about as welcome as Liam Adams offering to help out at your kids youth club.....

rockatansky · 26-06-2018 11:01pm

My first reaction when I heard this was positive, AGS could definitely use some leadership that has not been influenced/corrupted by years of making their way up the ladder internally.

I do have a big issue with being an Ex RUC officer. They were both the protectorate and enforcers of the Protestant state for the Protestant people, so f*uck them forever.

However, at the moment the Guards are struggling to maintain a footing against the likes of the Kinahans who no firm leadership in place. So maybe he might be the right man for the job.

rockatansky · 26-06-2018 11:03pm

timthumbni wrote: »

Actually Kudos for the original poster to not only bring up someone’s religion in relation to them getting a job in the republic but also the specific offshoot of their religion.

This so called “united” Ireland isn’t exactly sounding very “United” now is it??.

This thread is about as welcome as Liam Adams offering to help out at your kids youth club.....

Settle down there chum.

DONTMATTER · 26-06-2018 11:11pm

timthumbni wrote: »

Actually Kudos for the original poster to not only bring up someone’s religion in relation to them getting a job in the republic but also the specific offshoot of their religion.

This so called “united” Ireland isn’t exactly sounding very “United” now is it??.

This thread is about as welcome as Liam Adams offering to help out at your kids youth club.....

Or the British army setting up a boys home!

Taytoland · 26-06-2018 11:13pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Unless they separate Garda policing from national security functions this makes no sense.

Harris' loyalty has always been to a foreign power. It was revealed at the Smithwick Tribunal that as PSNI head of intelligence he was its interface with MI5. Hardly a safe set of hands for matters of national security.

No adverse reflection on Harris' character intended : he appears to be a talented, experienced and principled Police officer.

What matters of State security do you imagine he will be passing on to MI5 - everybody knows the Nuclear fallout bunker is under the Costume Barracks in Athlone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custume_Barracks Do we have any other secrets that might be useful to a 'foreign' power - the very one we would turn if we were threatened by terrorists/Russia etc.

The great Williamite Army doing the business again.

Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

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