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  • #152
    JC 3.14159
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭JC 3.14159


    I'm another paleo fan/cyclist. I started with a 30-day blitz, as recommended by most paleo books and websites.

    It's worth a try. I found that it completely changed how I felt about food. For example, previously dinner might have been a pile of noodles or pasta or rice with some chicken and some veg. Nutritionally, the white carb stuff adds nothing to the meal. A better alternative is to double the amount of chicken and fill the plate with veggies. You might think that you'd miss the noodles, but why? They don't taste like anything, and the texture is horrible and gluey (I only noticed this when I tried them after the 30 days). You can cut way back on seasoning or sauces too because all the ingredients have a taste already. Ok, the dinner costs abit more, but if you're gonna spend on anything, food is one place that's worth it. If you accept the 'animal fat is good' argument (I do) then you can buy the cheaper cuts that other people are scared of. A slow cooker is a big help toi.

    An added bonus with paleo is that you become instantly immune to all food marketing/food pyramid nonsense. Danone Actimel, piss off! You only need to visit 2 sections of the supermarket.


  • #153
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    smacl wrote: »
    Everything seems to either cause cancer, or is the new miracle cure for cancer. IMHO, stressing about cancer causes cancer. What causes cancer today seems to be the cure for cancer tomorrow

    Today's news is that fish oils both cause and cure cancer. Brilliant!


  • #154
    AstraMonti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    Maybe I missed it, but do you eat any fruits? Any deserts?


  • #155
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    Maybe I missed it, but do you eat any fruits? Any deserts?

    Fruits are fine - the sugar is relatively low. Unless you're trying to lose weight, then a small amount of low sugar fruits like berries would be best. You cant go wrong with plant foods as a general rule I would say, but more vegetables and less fruit would be best.

    The problem with desserts is that they are mostly preprocessed, to a certain degree at least ( ice cream, pastries, etc ). Processed essentially means de-natured ( stripped of any original nutrients) high in sugar, bad fats . You could buy an ice cream maker and make ice cream from soy or almond milk though. Freshly made almond milk btw, sweetend with dates is really delicious. You could also make pancakes from rice flour and almond milk too. Although maple syrup and honey are strictly paleo/ primal ( because they are close to their original state ) small amounts is key because they still raise your blood sugar.

    Edit - Strictly speaking that should be ground almond instead of Rice flour ( but Rice flour is gluten free )


  • #156
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    Really decent pealo pancake recipe.

    2 egg, 2 bananas.

    Mash up your banana until it's smooth, beat your eggs, mix them and then fry a few dollops at a time in a coconut oil.

    tis yummers.

    Can add ground almond or something it give more texture.


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  • #157
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Lumen wrote: »
    Today's news is that fish oils both cause and cure cancer. Brilliant!

    Yeah I heard that alright. You'll eventually die of something, maybe a bit later but maybe a bit earlier depending on what you eat.

    My diet change was for quality of life reasons. If that means a shorter but better life, then so be it.


  • #158
    NamelessPhil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭NamelessPhil


    There's a good blog called Science-based Medicine that takes a scientific look at some of the claims made by advocates of the paleo diet. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/its-a-part-of-my-paleo-fantasy-its-a-part-of-my-paleo-dream/

    Some of the claims that paleolithic peoples didn't suffer from heart disease or cancer don't seem to be supported.


  • #159
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    NamelessPhil wrote: »
    There's a good blog called Science-based Medicine that takes a scientific look at some of the claims made by advocates of the paleo diet. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/its-a-part-of-my-paleo-fantasy-its-a-part-of-my-paleo-dream/

    Some of the claims that paleolithic peoples didn't suffer from heart disease or cancer don't seem to be supported.

    Thats right. There is good evidence suggesting too much animal products cause problems.

    Once its balanced with lots of plant foods though, paleo/primal seems to be a good bet.

    Edit - its also worth pointing out the science involved with human nutrition is by no means as rigorous as, say, the science involved with establishing a new particle.


  • #160
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    ror_74 wrote: »
    Thats right. There is good evidence suggesting too much animal products cause problems.

    Once its balanced with lots of plant foods though, paleo/primal seems to be a good bet.

    If one was concerned with health, why not just go paleo-vegan or whatever it's called?


  • #161
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Lumen wrote: »
    why not just go paleo-vegan or whatever it's called?

    This is why. She was Spurlock's GF during Supersize Me.

    http://alexandrajamieson.com/im-not-vegan-anymore/

    http://youtu.be/evcNPfZlrZs?t=1h35m56s


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  • #162
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    Lumen wrote: »
    If one was concerned with health, why not just go paleo-vegan or whatever it's called?

    Agreed. In fact, I suspect its the vegan/ yoga folk who might fare best in the long run.

    Whats also interesting is rise of medical clinics that treat various conditions with nutrition, and they all emphasise a lot of raw vegetables, fruit, nuts and seeds, with some lightly cooked vegetables and little or no animal foods. Not that that necessarily means anything for anyone else, but as a benchmark it could be useful. Its plant foods that get the thumbs up from every side of the debate, time and time again. Vitamin B12 is the only deficiency in a varied properly executed plant only diet. The body stores up to 3 years worth when its fully nourished. But..a good vegan diet is not very convenient and takes more commitment than a paleo one.

    I also suspect many paleo sites put too much emphasis on animal fat because thats what people want to hear, that its ok to eat a lot of animal foods. This is what drives traffic to their sites. You can also design a high fat plant diet for example - nuts, coconut, avocado..but we don't hear much of that. And we should, they are equally ' paleo ' food types after all. Another thing is the clear problems associated with too much protein in a diet. Its hard to design a diet high in animal fats that isn't high in protein too. Just sayin ..!


  • #163
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    This is why. She was Spurlock's GF during Supersize Me.

    http://alexandrajamieson.com/im-not-vegan-anymore/

    http://youtu.be/evcNPfZlrZs?t=1h35m56s

    As a criticism of her site, I suspect the market she is aiming herself at is lifestyle vegans, those who for not very well thought out reasons - say college age idealists who think they are saving the planet - decided to go vegan and ended up malnourished.


  • #164
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    This is why. She was Spurlock's GF during Supersize Me.

    http://alexandrajamieson.com/im-not-vegan-anymore/

    At least she didn't overthink it. :pac:


  • #165
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Lumen wrote: »
    At least she didn't overthink it. :pac:

    In interest of full disclosure. I broke my low carb diet yesterday. I had cheese cake. I'm sorry to all my supporters. I am crying as I write this.


  • #166
    TinyExplosions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    In interest of full disclosure. I broke my low carb diet yesterday. I had cheese cake. I'm sorry to all my supporters. I am crying as I write this.

    And you were my hero ;(

    (I had a couple butlers chocolates today that I got given by work, so I'm as bad)


  • #167
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    In interest of full disclosure. I broke my low carb diet yesterday. I had cheese cake. I'm sorry to all my supporters. I am crying as I write this.

    Tut tut...its cancer for you so.


  • #168
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ror_74 wrote: »
    Tut tut...its cancer for you so.

    It's cancer one way or the other. Unless Burzynski gets his way, then we'll all be grand.


  • #169
    ROK ON
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    In interest of full disclosure. I broke my low carb diet yesterday. I had cheese cake. I'm sorry to all my supporters. I am crying as I write this.

    Pete

    An essential part of cult membership is to sin and then confess and plead for forgiveness from fellow cultists. This is the path to reverence in the cult world.
    Ive seen them do it on some US religious tb channels. I mean these guys attract thousands of people tontheir cermonies so must be onto something.


  • #170
    niceonetom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    I think it might be my turn in the Circle of Shame.

    God I love biscuits.


  • #171
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    Pastries. Even the Aldi ones that look the same after 2 weeks in the cupboard.


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  • #172
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,168 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    ror_74 wrote: »
    Pastries. Even the Aldi ones that look the same after 2 weeks in the cupboard.
    Delicious?

    I have tried cutting down on my carbs. 27 years of type 1 diabetes, being told that carbs were the only thing you need. It is tough to even cut down a small bit. I would have been eating about 600grams of carbs per day minimum. So I have started to cut down after reading through some of the articles linked to here and to others I have found myself looking at type 1 diabetes. After the initial cravings, I don't think I will ever go down to the levels in some of the links but after a few days I am down to about 250grams without being uncomfortable. Already my insulin requirements have dropped dramatically, my basal is the same but my short acting is just under half what it was. No sudden weight loss but that isn't a concern for me, I just want to see what it will do for my glucose control, which so far seems to have improved but it is too short a time span to comment on wether it is me looking at it closer or actually the reduction in carbs. I have noticed though that I am now more sensitive as well, in the past if I ate a small unexpected treat it wouldn't really affect me but only after a few days it will spike my sugars severely.


  • #173
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    Well, the fresh ones yep - the idea of the Aldi ones is usually better than the reality. They still end up in my basket though.


  • #174
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Loving this thread!
    NamelessPhil wrote: »
    There's a good blog called Science-based Medicine that takes a scientific look at some of the claims made by advocates of the paleo diet. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/its-a-part-of-my-paleo-fantasy-its-a-part-of-my-paleo-dream/

    Some of the claims that paleolithic peoples didn't suffer from heart disease or cancer don't seem to be supported.

    Great article, and sums up much of what I'd think about paleo. Not that it is necessarily a bad diet, but the reasons why have little to do with the diet of our ancestors. It's also worth looking at the new paleo dieters previous diet. While the paleo diet would be far from my idea of a perfect diet, it's often a huge improvement on what many people are eating.

    While I'm all for lots of raw foods, personally I'd miss the grain. Starting the day with porridge or muesli leaves me feeling healthy and energised, the odd beer feels good so must be good, and having a single malt with the old man (now 85) doesn't seem to shorten the life any. YMMV.


  • #175
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    smacl wrote: »
    Not that it is necessarily a bad diet, but the reasons why have little to do with the diet of our ancestors.

    So you're actually telling me that Superquinn Sausages were not around in Paleolithic times. Unbelievable.


  • #176
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Haterz be hatin.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-paleo-diet-half-baked-how-hunter-gatherer-really-eat

    (sorry if this was posted already)


  • #177
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    So you're actually telling me that Superquinn Sausages were not around in Paleolithic times. Unbelievable.

    Nope, though the very pink looking ones have an expiry date that suggests that if they had been around they'd be as edible today as they were then. I seem to remember watching a program a while back following on from a landslide near a cemetery in the states where a number of corpses had been unearthed. While the wooden caskets had rotted away, the bodies were well preserved which the program put down the the amount of preservatives that had been consumed over a life time. I don't know about our paleo guy, but the Egyptians would have loved those pink sausages!


  • #178
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    smacl wrote: »
    While I'm all for lots of raw foods, personally I'd miss the grain. Starting the day with porridge or muesli leaves me feeling healthy and energised, the odd beer feels good so must be good, and having a single malt with the old man (now 85) doesn't seem to shorten the life any. YMMV.

    This differing response to food is why I started this thread. And to show that there are many schools of thought on what constitutes a healthy diet. You thrive on grain, IIRC Ror_74 is fine with a relatively high carb in take. I am better with a low carb low grain intake.

    None of these is a one size fits all solution and that is certainly not what I am proposing. It's finding the balance that works for the individual to thrive that is important.

    I have eliminated my tiredness and run-down issues by going down this path. Weight maintenance while not a great problem for me is now an absolute doddle and something I do not have to contemplate. I also feel a better mental wellness. My symptoms of asthma have been enormously reduced with out the need for a preventative inhaler. I have not touched the brown or blue inhaler since starting this. I hadn't mentioned that in the thread so far as I cannot put my finger on what exactly caused the reduction in asthma. I believe it is a combination of a few things.

    None of these issues may effect you or any reader and I would therefore not encourage anyone to go down this route. I would also encourage anyone to study as much as they can on nutrition before changing anything significantly. I only went down this route as I heard Noakes had reduced and eliminated some health issues we shared.


  • #179
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    smacl wrote: »
    Nope, though the very pink looking ones have an expiry date that suggests that if they had been around they'd be as edible today as they were then. I seem to remember watching a program a while back following on from a landslide near a cemetery in the states where a number of corpses had been unearthed. While the wooden caskets had rotted away, the bodies were well preserved which the program put down the the amount of preservatives that had been consumed over a life time. I don't know about our paleo guy, but the Egyptians would have loved those pink sausages!

    The paleo sites tell you to eat grass fed organic meat as much as possible. Something I strive to do. But I'll have the odd supermarket sausage.

    I am against calling myself a paleo. As I have read similar articles on why modern paleo is not paleo-paleo. I do use paleo websites though as they have all the best recipes and some good discussions on nutrition. Go to any paleo forum and you will see them argue over what constitutes paleo. And debates on whether it is healthy or not.

    But like your dismissal of the cholesterol books earlier in the thread, you seem quick to dismiss on the name alone without examining the content.


  • #180
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    But like your dismissal of the cholesterol books earlier in the thread, you seem quick to dismiss on the name alone without examining the content.

    I've no problem at all with the paleo diet per se, and have friends who are far healthier than I am thrive on it. Where I'm taking a mild dig is at the evangelical paleo dogma, Grok, and all that goes with it. Picking the parts that work for you, skipping those that don't, and adjusting as necessary seems like a very pragmatic approach.

    As for dismissing material quickly, for most papers linked in a discussion forum like this, I read the precis first and then decide whether to skim, study or ignore. Simply too much information to digest and too little time. Apologies if I come across as trollish, and best of luck with the diet.


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  • #181
    ROK ON
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    First time under 90 kilos for me in a long time.

    Not watching my weight but have cut way back on carbs and sugar.

    Now to be fair I have had an ice cream a day for the past four days, but it is hitting 30 degrees.

    Lots of fish (particulalry trout), meat, salads etcs.
    It is unenjooyable for me to kill carbs from my diet, but it is not unachievable for me to cut way back.

    This thread has been one of the best on this site for a long time. Its hard to say whether this is all bunkum or not, but the thread and added reading/watching material is stimulating and gives me a lot to ponder.

    Thanks all.


  • #182
    TinyExplosions
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    I agree with Rok_On, regardless of any bunkum or anything I think that watching what you eat has a knock on effect of one eating less calories, which leads to weight loss -I'm down 5kg or so without any extra exercise simply by (like Rok_On) cutting out carbs and sugar -everyones mileage may vary, but I'll stick with it a while longer -seems to make sense to me anyway!

    And yes, this is possibly the best thread in years -thanks pete!


  • #183
    Ole Rodrigo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    It seems to me whats important is the emphasis on natural foods..that is foods close to their natural state. Thats what paleo really is under the hood. The emphasis on grass fed beef is not that relevant in Ireland because our beef is generally of such high quality anyway ( certain burgers notwithstanding, lol ). Which reminds me, Irish Duck is very high quality..Silverhill Foods in Monaghan produce duck for most of the Chinese restaurants here and in the UK and got the thumbs up from Heston Blumenthal.Thats good enough for me anyway .

    Its foolish though, I think, to rule out grains as a practical source of calories, when they are needed - theres much difference between organic steel cut oats or wholgrains and uncle bens boil in the bag rice, or a bag of mass produced pasta and white bread - just as animal fats are great for making sure vegetables are digested fully, as well as convenient calories, but if those fats have become drenched in growth hormones it defeats the purpose.

    If anything the paleo doctrine highlights the importance of keeping an eye on simple carbs and sugar - something especially relevant to amateur/ leisure cyclists. Not just the empty calories but the effects on metabolism and digestion. Like the article in SA mentions, various micro-organisms in the digestive tract are a relatively new feature of human digestion, and are one of the ways in which sugar causes problems - various bacteria strains thriving on sugar and hindering nutrient absorption from wholefoods.

    I'll reiterate my thumbs up for leafy greens too, cant say enough good things about that change in my diet ( or at least knowing I have an effective solution should my diet become unbalanced ). Also..freshly squeezed lemon and/or lime in water is a tasty alternative to fizzy drinks and alkalizes the digestive system - top tip right there.

    Two books by Mark Pollan are worth reading : The Omnivores Dillema and In Defense of Food. They are a triumph of common sense.


  • #184
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ror_74 wrote: »
    It seems to me whats important is the emphasis on natural foods..that is foods close to their natural state. Thats what paleo really is under the hood.

    I think this largely may be the key but with a bit of tinkering round the edges depending on your individual case. Sean Croxton on Undergroundwellness.com has a moto. JERF. Just Eat Real Food.

    Sean's podcasts and youtube videos are worth investigating. Now I don't agree with every person he has on. Some of them seem very woolly scientifically and I am always suspicious of alternative practitioners and chiropractors.

    He has had some great interviews though and approaches things from the layman's point of view.

    These 2 in particular
    http://undergroundwellness.com/podcasts/side-effects-the-truth-about-cholesterol-lowering-drugs/
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2011/02/28/the-obesity-epidemic-with-zoe-harcombe

    The first interview is Dr. Cate Shanahan who if you remember this thread and this link; they recommend her book.

    http://sportsexerciseengineering.com/2013/03/12/deep-nutrition-by-catherine-shanahan-md-luke-shanahan-mfa/

    So again, not a quack.


    Here's a decent video on leptin and its effect on weight control.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhObSu7y2_A

    Discusses wheat here.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1oiJXNLwbo

    Occasionally he does say some awful dumb things, but sure don't we all.


  • #185
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ror_74 wrote: »
    The emphasis on grass fed beef is not that relevant in Ireland because our beef is generally of such high quality anyway
    Yeah that's true. My local butcher up at home raises all his own cattle. He'll be doing a roaring trade in bone sales to me in the coming weeks,
    ror_74 wrote: »
    I'll reiterate my thumbs up for leafy greens too
    This talk of green reminds me of this piece of advice from Uffe Ravnskov from his book Fat and Cholesterol are Good for You.

    "The idea that you become fat by eating fat is just as silly as to say that you become green by eating green vegetables".

    Also in the Epilogue he says. "Everyone must gain the truth in an active way. If you want to know something you must look at all the premises yourself, listen to all the argument yourself, and then decide yourself what seems to be the most likely answer. You may be easily led astray if you ask the authorities to do this work for you."

    Anyway. I finished the book last night and I think I'll knock the nutrition reading on the head for a while. I think it's time to nourish the mind with some classic literature*.

    *cycling biographies really.


  • #186
    Zyzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Zyzz


    Has anyone tried a strict paleo diet while doing a decent amount of training?


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  • #187
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Zyzz wrote: »
    Has anyone tried a strict paleo diet while doing a decent amount of training?

    I'm in the middle of it. But I have vastly reduced my training load these days. I have to collect 3 points to get out of A4.

    We'll see how it goes. I didn't get dropped last week which was the main objective and a first for me after a long lay off from training and racing. Next week will be an attempt to get points. I did my intervals tonight. Any subsequent riding this week will be just turning the legs over gently. If I haven't managed to induce some DOMS I may do another short interval session, will make a decision on Wednesday.

    According to his website Bryan McCrystal is a paleo advocate. He's alright on the bike too.


  • #188
    petethedrummer
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    My Record of open racing is
    Mid 2011: Dropped
    Early 2012: Dropped
    Early 2012: 1st
    Mid 2012: 6th
    Early 2013: Dropped
    Early 2013: Dropped
    Mid 2013: Finished in Group

    I've been struggling with asthma for the last number of years and have been unable to train and race regularly due to it. I expect to get to A3 and get dropped alot.


  • #189
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    petethedrummer wrote: »
    If I haven't managed to induce some DOMS I may do another short interval session, will make a decision on Wednesday
    Had mild DOMs on Wednesday night. Would have preferred more. But I don't think I pushed the intervals hard enough on Monday. For 2 reasons.

    1. I am cagey about causing an injury.
    2. It's hard to push yourself hard. I need a drill Sergeant.

    Went for a gentle recovery ride last night and got passed by loads of cyclists. The fools. Don't they know going slow is the new going fast.


  • #190
    kumate_champ07
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    petethedrummer wrote: »
    Yeah that's true. My local butcher up at home raises all his own cattle. He'll be doing a roaring trade in bone sales to me in the coming weeks,

    This talk of green reminds me of this piece of advice from Uffe Ravnskov from his book Fat and Cholesterol are Good for You.

    "The idea that you become fat by eating fat is just as silly as to say that you become green by eating green vegetables".

    Also in the Epilogue he says. "Everyone must gain the truth in an active way. If you want to know something you must look at all the premises yourself, listen to all the argument yourself, and then decide yourself what seems to be the most likely answer. You may be easily led astray if you ask the authorities to do this work for you."

    Anyway. I finished the book last night and I think I'll knock the nutrition reading on the head for a while. I think it's time to nourish the mind with some classic literature*.

    *cycling biographies really.
    my aunt turned orange after eating too many carrots! it took a few weeks for it to happen.


  • #191
    petethedrummer
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    John Yudkin. A legend. If only we had listened to him instead of Ancel Keys.
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  • #192
    Zyzz
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    Down quite a number of KG over the past weeks..keep it clean, eggs for brekkie, chicken and veg for dinner x2 along with some green tea and a lot of water :)


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    Soarer
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    What do you guys use for lunch/dinner/snacks?

    Breakfast is a breeze. But I don't know what to "snack on" that' high fat/low carb.

    Also, what's the thinking on Coke Zero for a "sugar" kick? No carbs. No sugar. No calories.


  • #194
    TinyExplosions
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    Coke Zero is full of aspartame and acesulfame-K -which are just sugars by a different name (iirc), so while you're not adding calories you are ingesting sugar (which we should be avoiding!)

    Snacks can be carrot sticks, celery sticks, almonds etc.

    For lunch I tend to go with M&S salads (I love beetroot!), or even cottage cheese and some chicken or turkey or something


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    Ole Rodrigo
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    Soarer wrote: »

    Also, what's the thinking on Coke Zero for a "sugar" kick? No carbs. No sugar. No calories.

    No such thing as a free lunch. :pac:


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    Soarer
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    TinyExplosions wrote: »
    Coke Zero is full of aspartame and acesulfame-K -which are just sugars by a different name (iirc), so while you're not adding calories you are ingesting sugar (which we should be avoiding!)

    Snacks can be carrot sticks, celery sticks, almonds etc.

    For lunch I tend to go with M&S salads (I love beetroot!), or even cottage cheese and some chicken or turkey or something

    Dry roasted/salted peanuts?


  • #197
    petethedrummer
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    Soarer wrote: »
    What do you guys use for lunch/dinner/snacks

    Snacks: Lots of Almonds and Brazil nuts. Macadamia nuts if I can find them, they're not that common in supermarkets.

    The Paleo world is full of meal ideas:
    http://civilizedcavemancooking.com/
    http://www.thepaleomom.com/


  • #198
    TinyExplosions
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    Soarer wrote: »
    Dry roasted/salted peanuts?

    I'm allergic, so not for me!


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    smacl
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    TinyExplosions wrote: »
    Coke Zero is full of aspartame and acesulfame-K -which are just sugars by a different name (iirc), so while you're not adding calories you are ingesting sugar (which we should be avoiding!)

    Health aspects aside, quantities are minute by comparison to sugar quantities in a non-diet drink are tiny though, hence the lack of calories. You'd see much more sugar in an apple, or even your carrot sticks.


  • #200
    smacl
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    Soarer wrote: »
    Dry roasted/salted peanuts?

    Apparently not, as peanuts are legumes and not nuts. Some more detail here. I love nuts, with peanuts not being a favourite but certainly cheaper and more available. Two considerations are high calorie density, and added salt, where many other nuts are more palatable unsalted. All nuts are high calorie afaik.


  • #201
    Ole Rodrigo
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    smacl wrote: »
    Apparently not, as peanuts are legumes and not nuts. Some more detail here. I love nuts, with peanuts not being a favourite but certainly cheaper and more available. Two considerations are high calorie density, and added salt, where many other nuts are more palatable unsalted. All nuts are high calorie afaik.

    A better snack would be a high quality Peanut Butter (like Kelkn ) with celery sticks.They are a legume, so the general consensus is to eat sparingly. Not easy to do as any Peanut Butter fan will tell you - its all or nothing.

    Nuts are high calorie ( to be considered if you're looking to lose weight )

    Better still would be Cashew Nut Butter which you can make yourself with a blender, or buy it from one of the Health Food stores like Nourish. Tasty but not cheap.

    With soda drinks, I'd avoid them altogether unless you've been on the bike for a few hours in the heat. The spirit of Paleo is essentially unprocessed whole foods. Try mineral water with freshly squeezed lemon or lime. Very nice.


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