Pocophone F1 - The new flagship killer?

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-08-2018 6:23pm

I'd rather a notch an inch deep than a phone with a Chinese skin that'll never see an update.

Thargor · 25-08-2018 7:03pm

Patww79 wrote: »

I'd rather a notch an inch deep than a phone with a Chinese skin that'll never see an update.

The amount of custom roms for this thing will be huge if its as good as it sounds, you'll probably be able to get the newest stock Android for years to come.

corwill · 26-08-2018 7:34am

Thargor wrote: »

The amount of custom roms for this thing will be huge if its as good as it sounds, you'll probably be able to get the newest stock Android for years to come.

Plus Xiaomi are pretty good at keeping most of their handsets updated, as I understand it.

Mrcaramelchoc · 26-08-2018 7:48am

6.18 inch screen.that's huge.i have a 5.5 And i can barely text with one hand.deal breaker for me anyway.they can keep it.

corwill · 26-08-2018 7:56am

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

6.18 inch screen.that's huge.i have a 5.5 And i can barely text with one hand.deal breaker for me anyway.they can keep it.

What's your current handset? Screen to body ratios have come on a lot.

Most keyboard apps have a one-handed mode feature these days, might help.

Mrcaramelchoc · 26-08-2018 8:06am

corwill wrote: »

What's your current handset? Screen to body ratios have come on a lot.

Most keyboard apps have a one-handed mode feature these days, might help.

Its 5.7 actually.its an lgv20.i remember seeing that feature awhile back.i must check it out.

corwill · 26-08-2018 8:17am

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Its 5.7 actually.its an lgv20.i remember seeing that feature awhile back.i must check it out.

I use Gboard on a Oneplus 5, and I haven't needed it so far (I have big auld paws!), but that feature once activated makes the keyboard look a bit small for my talons.

You mightn't actually find much difference between the V20 and the Poco in your hand - https://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-V20_id10202/size#/phones/LG-V20_id10202/size/Xiaomi-Poco-F1/phones/10975

Standard Toaster · 26-08-2018 5:13pm

What's the release date for this? Pre-order?
(typing on a dying Note 4)

Ah, nevermind. Tomorrow.

https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomimade_pocophone_f1_is_up_for_preorder_in_the_netherlands-amp-32891.php

"Xiaomi is expected to announce in Paris on August 27"

Thargor · 26-08-2018 5:57pm

Standard Toaster wrote: »

What's the release date for this? Pre-order?
(typing on a dying Note 4)

Ah, nevermind. Tomorrow.

https://m.gsmarena.com/xiaomimade_pocophone_f1_is_up_for_preorder_in_the_netherlands-amp-32891.php

"Xiaomi is expected to announce in Paris on August 27"

It could be weeks before vendors actually get their hands on it though, then it will probably start selling out.

Standard Toaster · 27-08-2018 2:26pm

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_makes_the_pocophone_global_today_in_hong_kong_paris_and_jakarta-news-32959.php

In France (with other European markets likely to follow) the Pocophone F1 will start at €330 for a 6GB+64GB configuration. The 6GB+128GB model will cost €370. Sales will open in September.

Subcomandante Marcos · 27-08-2018 3:15pm

Standard Toaster wrote: »

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_makes_the_pocophone_global_today_in_hong_kong_paris_and_jakarta-news-32959.php

That's a fantastic starting price.

Do-more · 27-08-2018 8:23pm

Definitely going for this at €330, the fun now starts trying to find one in stock at the rrp.

The full retail price in Spain is also €329 but there is a limited time €30off voucher available on the mi.com website but only valid for deliveries within Spain.

Atlantic Dawn · 27-08-2018 8:30pm

Looks like the annoying notch doesn't intrude on video playback or gameplaying, will be getting me one as my next phone.

god's toy · 28-08-2018 2:06pm

this according to on the Android sites looks like Ireland is out of the picture the best shot is probably Amazon UK

... https://www.androidauthority.com/pocophone-f1-availability-release-date-899011/

Americas

Chile
Colombia
Mexico
Uruguay
Asia
Bangladesh
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Kazakhstan
Malaysia
Myanmar
Nepal
Pakistan
Philippines
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Thailand
Vietnam

Europe

Albania
Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
England
Estonia
Finland
France
Greece
Hungary
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine

Middle East and Africa

Bahrain
Egypt
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kenya
Kuwait
Lebanon
Morocco
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
South Africa
United Arab Emirates

sydthebeat · 28-08-2018 2:23pm

have xiamoi ever had an official ireland release?? i think the market is way too small for that.

any of the global roms tend to be suitable for use here

Subcomandante Marcos · 28-08-2018 2:28pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

have xiamoi ever had an official ireland release?? i think the market is way too small for that.

any of the global roms tend to be suitable for use here

The UK Rom will be perfect here.

tedpan · 28-08-2018 4:09pm

Definitely getting this phone. Can't wait for it's release to confirm actual pricing

Here's a very interesting comparison..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVsTX3EsqA

god's toy · 28-08-2018 5:09pm

tedpan wrote: »

Definitely getting this phone. Can't wait for it's release to confirm actual pricing

Here's a very interesting comparison..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVsTX3EsqA

Jesus for 200 quid less I would be willing to make that sacrifice... Those camera difference's were much less than I thought they would be considering how many people say the oneplus 6 camera was great... Was thinking of buying a one plus 6t but not a fan of glass back, I think the polycarbonate/plastic/Kevlar in the poco would probably be a better option.

does anyone know if there is an actual option to purchase with the Kevlar back or was it just for the reviewers?

Subcomandante Marcos · 28-08-2018 5:29pm

god's toy wrote: »

Jesus for 200 quid less I would be willing to make that sacrifice... Those camera difference's were much less than I thought they would be considering how many people say the oneplus 6 camera was great... Was thinking of buying a one plus 6t but not a fan of glass back, I think the polycarbonate/plastic/Kevlar in the poco would probably be a better option.

does anyone know if there is an actual option to purchase with the Kevlar back or was it just for the reviewers?

The Kevlar version will be available for sale but will be on the highest end spec and closer to 400. Could always buy a polycarbonate model and then just throw on a Kevlar effect skin?

god's toy · 28-08-2018 5:44pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The Kevlar version will be available for sale but will be on the highest end spec and closer to 400. Could always buy a polycarbonate model and then just throw on a Kevlar effect skin?

Yep it's an idea. And at the same time, 400 is still a chunk less than the possible near 550-600 that may be looking for the op6t

Roberto_gas · 28-08-2018 6:11pm

Flash sale in Mi India website tomorrow at 7:30 am...tempted...just need to find someone to get it here...6+64gb just 21k...so thats roughly 250 eur ...

Do-more · 28-08-2018 6:15pm

I'm in Sweden and the local Mi store (which is run by a local company not Xiaomi themselves) have said that only the 128GB version will be available on August 31st. and the 64GB version will not launch until October 1st. No mention of when the kevlar armoured edition will be available.

No idea if that is going to be the same across Europe.

Subcomandante Marcos · 28-08-2018 6:17pm

Roberto_gas wrote: »

Flash sale in Mi India website tomorrow at 7:30 am...tempted...just need to find someone to get it here...6+64gb just 21k...so thats roughly 250 eur ...

21k is the MSRP for India. After taxes and shipping you won't save much compared to buying from a European seller directly to be honest. You also won't have to faff about with ROMs or worry about bands being compatible.

dinnybyrne · 29-08-2018 9:12am

Just ordered it from eglobalcentral. eu for 309 euro. Have purchased phones from them before quick delivery and no customs charge

Standard Toaster · 29-08-2018 9:19am

dinnybyrne wrote: »

Just ordered it from eglobalcentral. eu for 309 euro. Have purchased phones from them before quick delivery and no customs charge

They have just the 6GB/64GB version atm for anyone about to hit look them up.

Mark Hamill · 29-08-2018 9:30am

Standard Toaster wrote: »

They have just the 6GB/64GB version atm for anyone about to hit look them up.

Is there a version anywhere with more ram? I know there are versions with more memory, but it can sd cards up to 256GB so I wouldn't mind getting 64GB.

tedpan · 29-08-2018 10:31am

Mark Hamill wrote:

Is there a version anywhere with more ram? I know there are versions with more memory, but it can sd cards up to 256GB so I wouldn't mind getting 64GB.

There only seems to be the 6GB/64GB model available online at the moment, I'm sure the 6GB/128GB and 8GB/256GB versions will be out soon.

I think you're confusing storage with memory. RAM is memory.

dinnybyrne · 29-08-2018 11:05am

Mark Hamill wrote:

Is there a version anywhere with more ram? I know there are versions with more memory, but it can sd cards up to 256GB so I wouldn't mind getting 64GB.

6gb is more than enough and you can upgrade your storage via micro sd anyway...

StereoSound · 29-08-2018 11:48am

I was about to order the Xiaomi mi A2 but now I'm thinking about this..... That's a cracking price for a top of the line phone! However in terms of monthly security updates and general android OS updates whats the deal? The mi A2 selling point for me is the fast updates.

corwill · 29-08-2018 11:50am

dinnybyrne wrote: »

6gb is more than enough and you can upgrade your storage via micro sd anyway...

I've been wondering about RAM inflation, are identifiable, practical performance upsides to RAM above 4gb on 2018 flagships?

I just think it's interesting that the Pixel 3 & 3XL are both rumoured to be packing 4gb RAM. That doesn't look penny-pinching to me, it looks more like a statement from Google that Android shouldn't need ultrabook levels of RAM.

dinnybyrne · 29-08-2018 12:19pm

StereoSound wrote:

I was about to order the Xiaomi mi A2 but now I'm thinking about this..... That's a cracking price for a top of the line phone! However in terms of monthly security updates and general android OS updates whats the deal? The mi A2 selling point for me is the fast updates.

Apparently the "pocophone" sub brand will be getting faster updates than xiaomi phones. Android 9.0 update before the new year

dinnybyrne · 29-08-2018 12:23pm

corwill wrote:

I've been wondering about RAM inflation, are identifiable, practical performance upsides to RAM above 4gb on 2018 flagships?

The costs outweigh the benefits id say.
A millisecond gained here and there, handy if you like to keep a load of apps open in the background though.

tedpan · 29-08-2018 12:24pm

corwill wrote:

I just think it's interesting that the Pixel 3 & 3XL are both rumoured to be packing 4gb RAM. That doesn't look penny-pinching to me, it looks more like a statement from Google that Android shouldn't need ultrabook levels of RAM.

I really can't see the jump from 6GB to 8GB being noticeable at all. Although I'd like as much internal storage as possible, all of my dash cam and drone footage is stored internally and 128GB fills up quickly. Will have to wait and see the price difference between versions..

Standard Toaster · 29-08-2018 12:29pm

I just want to tell everyone that I've more phone ram and storage then them.

*smug git*

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-08-2018 12:32pm

StereoSound wrote: »

I was about to order the Xiaomi mi A2 but now I'm thinking about this..... That's a cracking price for a top of the line phone! However in terms of monthly security updates and general android OS updates whats the deal? The mi A2 selling point for me is the fast updates.

If any manufacturer is providing monthly security updates it's a sign they are consistently producing flawed security. It's not a a good sign at all.

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-08-2018 12:34pm

tedpan wrote: »

I really can't see the jump from 6GB to 8GB being noticeable at all. Although I'd like as much internal storage as possible, all of my dash cam and drone footage is stored internally and 128GB fills up quickly. Will have to wait and see the price difference between versions..

Get a 256gb cat 10 micro SD and mount it in andirod. Will read as international memory.

MOH · 29-08-2018 12:47pm

Standard Toaster wrote: »

They have just the 6GB/64GB version atm for anyone about to hit look them up.

I'm seeing the 6GB/64GB for 309 but also the 6GB/128GB for 332?

corwill · 29-08-2018 12:53pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

If any manufacturer is providing monthly security updates it's a sign they are consistently producing flawed security. It's not a a good sign at all.

Android security updates are driven by Google for the whole ecosystem, rather than by manaufacturers, I thought.

Standard Toaster · 29-08-2018 1:01pm

MOH wrote: »

I'm seeing the 6GB/64GB for 309 but also the 6GB/128GB for 332?

Cool, 128GB wasn't listed earlier. I've my sights set on the Armored 256GB version, assuming it can be got in Europe. (India only at the moment)

actuar90 · 29-08-2018 1:04pm

MOH wrote: »

I'm seeing the 6GB/64GB for 309 but also the 6GB/128GB for 332?

Can't seem to see where they ship from, will there be customs charges to deal with as well?

29-08-2018 1:04pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

If any manufacturer is providing monthly security updates it's a sign they are consistently producing flawed security. It's not a a good sign at all.

Android security updates are published monthly. All manufacturers should be producing monthly updates for these

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-08-2018 1:18pm

corwill wrote: »

Android security updates are driven by Google for the whole ecosystem, rather than by manaufacturers, I thought.

Oh, yeah that's different. I was thinking of OEM skin updates.

That said, even Samsung don't actually release the google updates monthly, and that is further delayed by carrier specific updates. The only major manufacturers who release monthly updates on time or to a specific schedule are google themselves, Nokia, Blackberry and Apple, after that you're talking weeks to months before they finally make it to end users.

MOH · 29-08-2018 1:19pm

actuar90 wrote: »

Can't seem to see where they ship from, will there be customs charges to deal with as well?

I've no idea, or even if they're reliable. But post #75 above said they'd ordered from them before with no customs charges

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-08-2018 1:24pm

Just noticed it works out cheaper (€294) from the eGlobal Central UK site than the .eu site.

JohnK · 29-08-2018 1:36pm

Has the NFC bit been clarified for this yet? There was some early talk where one group said no NFC but others were saying it would have it. As a recent convert to Google pay I couldn't go back now.

tedpan · 29-08-2018 1:41pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

Get a 256gb cat 10 micro SD and mount it in andirod. Will read as international memory.

I've got lots of 128GB class 10 cards, but don't think they're fast enough for flagship smartphones, especially when used as internal storage.

Also, I haven't had the option to use an SD card as internal storage since android 6.0, maybe it's the just my phones(mate 8, V20 and OnePlus 3)

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-08-2018 1:42pm

JohnK wrote: »

Has the NFC bit been clarified for this yet? There was some early talk where one group said no NFC but others were saying it would have it. As a recent convert to Google pay I couldn't go back now.

I'm near 99.9999999% certain there's no NFC.

tedpan · 29-08-2018 1:43pm

JohnK wrote:

Has the NFC bit been clarified for this yet? There was some early talk where one group said no NFC but others were saying it would have it. As a recent convert to Google pay I couldn't go back now.

There's no NFC, check GSM arena.

Not really surprising at this price point with the rest of the flagship specs. Nothing comes close for the price.

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-08-2018 1:46pm

tedpan wrote: »

I've got lots of 128GB class 10 cards, but don't think they're fast enough for flagship smartphones, especially when used as internal storage.

Also, I haven't had the option to use an SD card as internal storage since android 6.0, maybe it's the just my phones(mate 8, V20 and OnePlus 3)

Weird, I don't use a card at all atm because I'm happy enough with the 64gb I have in my P10 (I just stream music and regularly dump photos/videos to my laptop).

If 128gb is any use to you, that model seems to still be in stock on the UK Site, works out at just under €317.

https://www.eglobalcentraluk.com/xiaomi-pocophone-f1-6gb-128gb-dual-sim-black.html

sydthebeat · 29-08-2018 1:55pm

corwill wrote: »

Android security updates are driven by Google for the whole ecosystem, rather than by manaufacturers, I thought.

not necessarily

google write android for their google products ie pixel, nexus etc

Other OEMs then have to beta test these android version on their products to ensure compatibility. Some OEMs do provide 'pure android' OS from google (ie android one) but even still they have to beta test to iron out the creases.... for example pixel and nexus had andriod 8.1 since last december whereas it took till july for xiaomis android one phones to upgrade... and even at that it wasnt perfect.

so just because google sends out an update at a particular time, it doesnt mean all android phones get it immediately.

Pocophone F1 - The new flagship killer?

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