Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 12:54pm

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Do you actually think that the guards don't know those details already?

The naivety on here is sometimes astonishing

Sheltered lives on the farm.

realdanbreen · 11-02-2019 1:17pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

Sheltered lives on the farm.

Still way better than your neck of the woods where strung out clowns are going around killing one another plus the odd innocent misfortune now and then. And gobshytes come on here eulogising them!

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 1:22pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Still way better than your neck of the woods where strung out clowns are going around killing one another plus the odd innocent misfortune now and then. And gobshytes come on here eulogising them!

Go on ya oul mucksavage

realdanbreen · 11-02-2019 1:23pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

Every single detail he said was listed by Paul Williams in the circuit court. FACT.

Unless Paul Williams was present when the murder was carried out then there is no way the courts -or anyone else for that matter -would have any interest in what he had to say.

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 1:31pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Unless Paul Williams was present when the murder was carried out then there is no way the courts -or anyone else for that matter -would have any interest in what he had to say.

But sure with that logic why would courts or anyone else have any interest in what Harry on boards says. Harry said exactly what Paul Williams said no more no less.

hatrickpatrick · 11-02-2019 1:36pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Bubblegummers wrote: »

Who is baked beans?

A finglas chap called Willie. His surname is pronounced, but not spelt the same of a large company that uses the phrase '57 varieties' in many of its ads...

Ah here, his first name is Willie and his gangster nickname isn't a pun involving dicks? I'm hugely disappointed I must admit.

realdanbreen · 11-02-2019 2:28pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ah here, his first name is Willie and his gangster nickname isn't a pun involving dicks? I'm hugely disappointed I must admit.

Why can't they have more exotic nicknames like the Italian Mafia have like Joey cupcakes or Joe Bananas instead of Anto & Marlo ?

Gadgetman496 · 11-02-2019 2:34pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Why can't they have more exotic nicknames like the Italian Mafia have like Joey cupcakes or Joe Bananas instead of Anto & Marlo ?

It's Marno (not 'Marlo')

corner of hells · 11-02-2019 2:39pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

There you have it. Two people were planned to be murdered in the house that day, the kid wasn't one of them. Two guys went in with one gun to kill marno(not 'marlo' as the media call him) and only one guy was meant to come out. The man keeping sketch behind the front door rightly suspected he was also to be murdered that day and secretly brought his own weapon. When gunman #1 ran down the stairs after dispatching Marno his accomplice had his own gun pointed at him. The kid was between the two of them, so gunman #1 shot the poor youngfella in an effort to make 'beans' drop his weapon. Both of them then panicked and ran to the car, gunman #1 knew he was a marked man from then on, and still is. This account was given to me by the man driving the car who I was friendly with. That man has since been shot dead himself. He claimed to me that he knew nothing of the double cross but other friends of mine said he was fully aware of the plot and it likely contributed to his own demise, which coincidentally was alledgedly set up by a taxi driver from town who has since been shot dead himself as part of the hutch/byrne fukkery that's been going on for the past few years.

I know some of the Campbell family and one of them gives an account similar to yours.

realdanbreen · 11-02-2019 2:42pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

Go on ya oul mucksavage

Such eloquence! Bet you're related to that other Dublin intellectual Brendan Behan.

El_Bee · 11-02-2019 3:00pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

When gunman #1 ran down the stairs after dispatching Marno his accomplice had his own gun pointed at him. The kid was between the two of them, so gunman #1 shot the poor youngfella in an effort to make 'beans' drop his weapon. Both of them then panicked and ran to the car, gunman #1 knew he was a marked man from then on, and still is.

so after pointing guns at each other and about to kill one another, they got in the same car and drove off together? or am I reading this wrong?

realdanbreen · 11-02-2019 3:03pm

El_Bee wrote: »

so after pointing guns at each other and about to kill one another, they got in the same car and drove off together? or am I reading this wrong?

:D

Gadgetman496 · 11-02-2019 3:09pm

El_Bee wrote: »

so after pointing guns at each other and about to kill one another, they got in the same car and drove off together? or am I reading this wrong?

Honour among thieves, their priority at that time was to flee the scene.

PLOPS · 11-02-2019 3:14pm

El_Bee wrote: »

so after pointing guns at each other and about to kill one another, they got in the same car and drove off together? or am I reading this wrong?

It may seem strange, but these gangsters are very forgiving. For example, Brian Meehan tried to kill the Viper a few years ago, and not too long after shooting him they were associates again. The Hutch / Kinahan thing could end up the same way. Normal people wouldn't accept to live their lives like that, these are sociopaths who don't think rationally. to hear the Don was the getaway driver, and then himself get shot only a few years later is mad. he hid behind a lounge boy that night and tried to have him shot instead. another great loss to society.

GinAndBitter · 11-02-2019 3:31pm

I see the Sun newspaper have Wardys gang down for killing Zach Parker. Seen a few posts a couple of weeks ago on the truthseekers twitter page saying the same. I wonder if there is any truth in this, I wouldn't be surprised. Some neck turning up at the funeral.

Certainly has the hallmarks of a SC hit, he gets the job done.

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 3:33pm

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I see the Sun newspaper have Wardys gang down for killing Zach Parker. Seen a few posts a couple of weeks ago on the truthseekers twitter page saying the same. I wonder if there is any truth in this, I wouldn't be surprised. Some neck turning up at the funeral.

Certainly has the hallmarks of a SC hit, he gets the job done.

SC does hits? Hahah reverse the initials then you have your gunman.

hatrickpatrick · 11-02-2019 3:35pm

PLOPS wrote: »

It may seem strange, but these gangsters are very forgiving. For example, Brian Meehan tried to kill the Viper a few years ago, and not too long after shooting him they were associates again. The Hutch / Kinahan thing could end up the same way. Normal people wouldn't accept to live their lives like that, these are sociopaths who don't think rationally. to hear the Don was the getaway driver, and then himself get shot only a few years later is mad. he hid behind a lounge boy that night and tried to have him shot instead. another great loss to society.

Wasn't it widely speculated at one point that Fat Freddie was in DJK's bad books and a target himself for a hit, until the feud erupted and they decided they needed his help? That's some extraordinary turnaround - "oh, you were going to hire someone to murder me a few months ago but let's work together on this instead". I always thought that aspect of Love/Hate was incredibly unrealistic (Elmo becoming Nidge's right hand man in season 5 after himself and his cousin being framed and targeted by Nidge himself in season 3 to save his own skin) but from what I hear, trying to murder eachother one week and being best friends the next is weirdly normal for some of these crews.

realdanbreen · 11-02-2019 3:42pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

SC does hits? Hahah reverse the initials then you have your gunman.

This is starting to sound like Miss Marple!

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 3:45pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

This is starting to sound like Miss Marple!

You stick to selling Massey Ferguson’s on donedeal.

Gadgetman496 · 11-02-2019 4:07pm

Declan Brady pleads guilty over large firearm cache found in Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0211/1028923-greenogue/

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 5:57pm

El_Bee wrote: »

so after pointing guns at each other and about to kill one another, they got in the same car and drove off together? or am I reading this wrong?

No, your not reading it wrong. The idea was to for gunman #1 to become head honcho, the only ones that would've disputed that were Marno and gunman #2. Gunman #2 was wide to this. Rather than stay in a Mexican standoff situation until the police arrived, they ran to the car, it was this knowledge that gave the driver the mantle of power, and ultimately it was him that allegedly took the reigns of the 'gang'.

hatrickpatrick · 11-02-2019 5:59pm

This is starting to sound like the opening of The Dark Knight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqvbv-SB4bg

realdanbreen · 11-02-2019 6:07pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

No, your not reading it wrong. The idea was to for gunman #1 to become head honcho, the only ones that would've disputed that were Marno and gunman #2. Gunman #2 was wide to this. Rather than stay in a Mexican standoff situation until the police arrived, they ran to the car, it was this knowledge that gave the driver the mantle of power, and ultimately it was him that allegedly took the reigns of the 'gang'.

Sounds plausible enough in fairness. The two gunmen after pointing guns at each other in order to kill one another more or less looked at their watches, clocked out, hopped into the back of the car and took off!

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 6:23pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Sounds plausible enough in fairness. The two gunmen after pointing guns at each other in order to kill one another more or less looked at their watches, clocked out, hopped into the back of the car and took off!

Rather than be arrested, both armed at the scene of a double murder. Your quite naive, unlike your namesake who was extremely wily. With the driver gleaning the knowledge of what happened and keeping his mouth shut, preventing all out war amongst the grouping. Stay alive and don't get caught. Page 1, first paragraph, How to be a criminal for dummies.

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 6:29pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

SC does hits? Hahah reverse the initials then you have your gunman.

Mr Burns 'lickspittle'

It remains to be seen if Wayland indeed was the gunman at this stage.

ohnonotgmail · 11-02-2019 6:30pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Rather than be arrested, both armed at the scene of a double murder. Your quite naive, unlike your namesake who was extremely wily. With the driver gleaning the knowledge of what happened and keeping his mouth shut, preventing all out war amongst the grouping. Stay alive and don't get caught. Page 1, first paragraph, How to be a criminal for dummies.

it seems most career criminals are not big readers.

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 6:52pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it seems most career criminals are not big readers.

Most of them wouldn't be, no. Some are, Mr Kinahan Sr, Marky Desmond and the late Patrick Holland would be a few examples.

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 6:59pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Mr Burns 'lickspittle'
It remains to be seen if Wayland indeed was the gunman at this stage.

Not according to the Graffiti outside his GFs flat in Pearse street

Fiftyfilthy · 11-02-2019 7:11pm

I wonder why If the don was so paranoid and ruthless (according to the media)why didn’t he off either of the 2 ?

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 7:14pm

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

I wonder why If the don was so paranoid and ruthless (according to the media)why didn’t he off either of the 2 ?

Cause they were close to him.

Fiftyfilthy · 11-02-2019 7:27pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

Cause they were close to him.

Not doubting this version of events as don’t know of them ones personally

Almost miraculous none of the 3 ever decided to take one of both out since

Or maybe just never got the opportunity

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 7:38pm

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

just never got the opportunity

Correct, although he would have been fairly pally with one of them, and would likely have many opportunities to do away with him. The other one not so much.

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 7:50pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Correct, although he would have been fairly pally with one of them, and would likely have many opportunities to do away with him. The other one not so much.

He was very friendly with both.

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 8:04pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

He was very friendly with both.

Not even remotely true. I'm not speculating, this is a fact. A fairly well known fact too.

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 8:06pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Not even remotely true. I'm not speculating, this is a fact. A fairly well known fact too.

Mate. one is his ex partners brother the other his daughter Amy’s god father. If your gonna regurgitate what you’ve heard please be accurate.

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 8:09pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

Mate. one is his ex partners brother

That was him off the hook so then!

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2019 8:17pm

Have to say, its a fascinating if unfortunate thread.

Spleerbun · 11-02-2019 8:24pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Have to say, its a fascinating if unfortunate thread.

I like to read through it when bored, but it's incredibly hard to follow what's going on when you don't know the people involved, all the nicknames and initials and talking in code. But I understand ya can't just be naming people on a public forum so it's the way it has to be I guess

Fiftyfilthy · 11-02-2019 8:26pm

Spleerbun wrote: »

I like to read through it when bored, but it's incredibly hard to follow what's going on when you don't know the people involved, all the nicknames and initials and talking in code. But I understand ya can't just be naming people on a public forum so it's the way it has to be I guess

Baked beans had everyone lost

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 8:35pm

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Baked beans had everyone lost

Nobody calls him baked beans just people on here.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2019 8:40pm

I knew my own few scumbags growing up, many on a spectrum from alive to dead in an unmarked grave, but its still a bit strange reading this thread (and a few twitters) , where people seem to know these guys well.

El_Bee · 11-02-2019 9:01pm

from what I've seen and read, organized crime in the states were destroyed when they started hitting people with really heavy sentences, 30+ years, after that everyone ratted one everyone to escape jail, and the whole thing collapsed on itself more or less. Would a similar tactic work here? and if so, what would it take to have it implemented?

begbysback · 11-02-2019 9:01pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I knew my own few scumbags growing up, many on a spectrum from alive to dead in an unmarked grave, but its still a bit strange reading this thread (and a few twitters) , where people seem to know these guys well.

Yea, people would be very surprised at how normal some high profile criminals are, I’ve known some from my own locality over the years and have had normal conversations with them, the one thing I have noticed if I’m honest is that I would look at them differently if I read something about them in the newspapers, media is a very powerful tool and can create something that is not actually there.

harry Bailey esq · 11-02-2019 10:03pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I knew my own few scumbags growing up, many on a spectrum from alive to dead in an unmarked grave, but its still a bit strange reading this thread (and a few twitters) , where people seem to know these guys well.

Dublin is a city and a small town at the same time. Everyone is related to someone who knows someone. The Byrne/Hutch thing is so insideous because of this. Many of the extended families are married into one another. Especially the ones from town. As I mentioned in a previous post, geography plays a big part in who your childhood friends are. Culchies wouldn't really get this(not implying yer a culchie yerself Herr Hassenforder), as a good portion of them feck off to college in different parts of the country and develop new friendships and the kids they grew up with do the same. This results in those childhood friendships to become less and less significant over time. Doesn't work like that in town, the kids from town that attend college wouldn't generally go looking for digs. Most would go home and sleep in the ma's and still see/socialise with the kids they grew up with.

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 10:12pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I knew my own few scumbags growing up, many on a spectrum from alive to dead in an unmarked grave, but its still a bit strange reading this thread (and a few twitters) , where people seem to know these guys well.

I’ve never ever drawn the attention of the police I’ve never been in a fight. But I grew up in certain clubs with a lot of these guys and to this day I’d never turn my nose at them. I know a lot of them outside the crime thing but as people.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2019 10:16pm

begbysback wrote: »

Yea, people would be very surprised at how normal some high profile criminals are, I’ve known some from my own locality over the years and have had normal conversations with them, the one thing I have noticed if I’m honest is that I would look at them differently if I read something about them in the newspapers, media is a very powerful tool and can create something that is not actually there.

I knew a few "allegedly" "active" republicans growing up. Never was afraid or intimidated by them. The scumbags though, you'd be wary of, even though they never did anything to me.

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2019 10:18pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Dublin is a city and a small town at the same time. Everyone is related to someone who knows someone. The Byrne/Hutch thing is so insideous because of this. Many of the extended families are married into one another. Especially the ones from town. As I mentioned in a previous post, geography plays a big part in who your childhood friends are. Culchies wouldn't really get this(not implying yer a culchie yerself Herr Hassenforder), as a good portion of them feck off to college in different parts of the country and develop new friendships and the kids they grew up with do the same. This results in those childhood friendships to become less and less significant over time. Doesn't work like that in town, the kids from town that attend college wouldn't generally go looking for digs. Most would go home and sleep in the ma's and still see/socialise with the kids they grew up with.

S'ok i'm a culchie!

P.Walnuts · 11-02-2019 10:19pm

El_Bee wrote: »

from what I've seen and read, organized crime in the states were destroyed when they started hitting people with really heavy sentences, 30+ years, after that everyone ratted one everyone to escape jail, and the whole thing collapsed on itself more or less. Would a similar tactic work here? and if so, what would it take to have it implemented?

To say organised crime in the States has been destroyed is emmmmm a bit off?

Maybe it's not Italians as much anymore but crime is doing just fine over there despite harsh prisons/sentences

Roger Hassenforder · 11-02-2019 10:21pm

Southdubin6 wrote: »

I’ve never ever drawn the attention of the police I’ve never been in a fight. But I grew up in certain clubs with a lot of these guys and to this day I’d never turn my nose at them. I know a lot of them outside the crime thing but as people.

Is it not difficult to seperate them from the criminality though? Maybe I can understand a fella with "a cause", but the drug/power thing is a bit more difficult to stomach (that might come accross a bit hypocritical)

Southdubin6 · 11-02-2019 10:23pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Is it not difficult to seperate them from the criminality though? Maybe I can understand a fella with "a cause", but the drug/power thing is a bit more difficult to stomach (that might come accross a bit hypocritical)

I don’t know every one involved but I’d know most who drank in JUdge darleys and the POD. When they were starting out and some from when we were kids in school in syng street. I don’t have to listen to the drugs talk when I see them cause they know it doesn’t bother me what they say about it.

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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