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Graham Linehan given police warning for "transphobia"

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  • #202
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
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    That's a UK case, isn't it?


    I am curious as to why some people seems so determined to import this particular controversy from the UK to Ireland.


  • #203
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    That's a UK case, isn't it?


    I am curious as to why some people seems so determined to import this particular controversy from the UK to Ireland.

    This is a thread about Graham Linehan getting a warning from police in the UK or have I got the thread title wrong?


  • #204
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Except for the scenario of the last three years of self-identification in Ireland where no female has lost anything out.


    Says it all.

    This thread is about Graham Linehan who was cautioned for a tweet .... in the U.K.

    Hence reference to the U.K.


  • #205
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    That's a UK case, isn't it?


    I am curious as to why some people seems so determined to import this particular controversy from the UK to Ireland.

    You’re not able to deal with the substance of the issue at hand so instead are resorting to “that’s the UK”. As if the issues discussed here won’t arise in Ireland at some stage.


  • #206
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »



    Again, I'm curious as to why some people are so determined to make a mountain out of a molehill on this particular issue.

    Maybe because they don't see women being beaten by males in their own sports (including getting the **** kicked out of them), being locked up in prison with male sex offenders and being raped as a result, having their requests for intimate medical exams to be performed by a female ignored, and breastfeeding mothers being locked up for hours for a few tweets they made, as "molehills".


  • #207
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    This is a thread about Graham Linehan getting a warning from police in the UK or have I got the thread title wrong?
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    This thread is about Graham Linehan who was cautioned for a tweet .... in the U.K.

    Hence reference to the U.K.


    True enough, though as demonstrated by the answers below, some people do seem to be very keen to highlight the tiny number of issues that have arisen in the UK as 'warnings' for Ireland.


    It does seem fairly strange that people are focusing on these tiny number of cases on this very niche issue.


    FTA69 wrote: »
    You’re not able to deal with the substance of the issue at hand so instead are resorting to “that’s the UK”. As if the issues discussed here won’t arise in Ireland at some stage.


    As I've explained to you before, Ireland is years ahead of the UK in dealing with this issue. We've had self-identification here for three years with no significant issues arising, while Glinner and the Mumsnet gang are off with their flaming torches to 'warn people' about the dangers of self-identification.



    And while your 'not able to deal with the substance' claim is a tad harsh, there is some truth behind it. I certainly don't claim to have all the answers on the prison issues or sports issues or other issues that have arisen.



    But I'm reasonably confident that those responsible for those areas, can (and very possibly are already) coping with those issues today, which is why we've had no significant issues arising here with three years of self-identification.


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Maybe because they don't see women being beaten by males in their own sports (including getting the **** kicked out of them), being locked up in prison with male sex offenders and being raped as a result, having their requests for intimate medical exams to be performed by a female ignored, and breastfeeding mothers being locked up for hours for a few tweets they made, as "molehills".


    I suppose what doesn't add up for me is the obsessive focus on this particular niche issue. If you were really concerned about women getting raped, surely you'd be looking at the major causes/background to rape, which I presume would include drug addiction, alcohol, homelessness, gambling addiction, poor education and low self-esteem and more. In the overall context of sexual assaults on women, this is a tiny, niche issue.


    It seems that some people are just uncomfortable with the whole idea of transgender people, and are using this opportunity to kick back.


  • #208
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    That's a UK case, isn't it?


    I am curious as to why some people seems so determined to import this particular controversy from the UK to Ireland.

    That point is very interesting and harrowing, regardless of jurisdiction.


  • #209
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That point is very interesting and harrowing, regardless of jurisdiction.
    About 3,000 women each week in the UK experience rape or attempted rape or assault by penetration.


    Are these tiny number of incidents really that 'interesting' in the context of the overall problems of violence against women? Are they a bit of a distraction for anyone who is really concerned about solving violence against women?


  • #210
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I am totally against police time being taken up with investigating tweets unless they have the most sinister of nature for example death threats. Sustained one's at that.

    If ppl don't wish to receive insulting or hurtful comments then don't put yourself in a position where your as good as inviting them.

    Just like you wouldn't leave your front door wide open at night and expect not to be burgled.

    I really hope what goes on in the UK regarding this issue does not transpire here.


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  • #211
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    About 3,000 women each week in the UK experience rape or attempted rape or assault by penetration.


    Are these tiny number of incidents really that 'interesting' in the context of the overall problems of violence against women? Are they a bit of a distraction for anyone who is really concerned about solving violence against women?

    It's not just about violence, it's about the erosion of women's sex based rights.


  • #212
    Robert Wolfe
    Site Banned Posts: 79 ✭✭Robert Wolfe


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Anyone can change their identity at any time. It's nothing to do with gender.


    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/problems_in_marriages_and_other_relationships/changing_your_name_by_deed_poll.html

    A deed poll is just a piece of paper that says you promise to go by the new name. If you want a passport with your new name you have to show evidence you've been using the name for a couple of years.


  • #213
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    About 3,000 women each week in the UK experience rape or attempted rape or assault by penetration.


    Are these tiny number of incidents really that 'interesting' in the context of the overall problems of violence against women? Are they a bit of a distraction for anyone who is really concerned about solving violence against women?

    Ok what!? You're allowed to find something interesting or worthy of a comment without having to mention all the other greater evils. That's called whataboutery I believe.


  • #214
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It's not just about violence, it's about the erosion of women's sex based rights.


    Though no such rights have been eroded in three years of self-identification here in Ireland.

    Robert Wolfe wrote: »
    A deed poll is just a piece of paper that says you promise to go by the new name. If you want a passport with your new name you have to show evidence you've been using the name for a couple of years.
    That's right, in fact, you don't need a deed poll at all - anyone can just change their name at any time and start using their new name.


    So why all the fuss about gender identity changes?


  • #215
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Ok what!? You're allowed to find something interesting or worthy of a comment without having to mention all the other greater evils. That's called whataboutery I believe.
    You can call it what you like, but it certainly puts into context the stated concerns about protecting women from being raped.


    I'd have thought that anyone who was really genuinely concerned about protecting women from being raped might like to prioritise doing something about some of the very real, current, actual causes of women being raped, instead of obsessing with potential, future causes from other jurisdictions which don't really apply to the Irish legal scenario.


  • #216
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    I see Stephanie has got the local police force to arrest another person for tweeting her dead name.

    It’s reported in the daily mail but to not make the paper that reported it the issue I’ll link instead to the mumsnet discussion on it.

    https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3504035-Sky-News-just-featured-story-appearing-in-tomorrows-Sunday-Mail

    Excellent, and fair play. You have managed to find a thread that the gender Stasi haven't managed to shut down. How long will it last I wonder.


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  • #217
    Robert Wolfe
    Site Banned Posts: 79 ✭✭Robert Wolfe


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »

    That's right, in fact, you don't need a deed poll at all - anyone can just change their name at any time and start using their new name.


    So why all the fuss about gender identity changes?

    Well you can't actually change your gender, you're born male or female and all the surgery and hormones don't change that.

    As for changing your identity. Well if I want to be known as 'Robert Wolfe' irl, it'll be at least 2 years before I'll get a passport with that name.


  • #218
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Does anyone have an opinion on the cotton ceiling?


  • #219
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Does anyone have an opinion on the cotton ceiling?

    Yeah, it's kinda a gross term as apparently the cotton refers to 'underwear'.

    Seriously though. Are transgenders equally proportionally attracted to ppl of their opposite preferred gender in the same way 90% of cisgender are attracted to their opposite sex.


    Oh forget it, I've giving myself a headache.


  • #220
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    According to their Twitter, Stephanie is soon to commence legal proceedings against Associated Newspapers Limited for daring to report on this. I'm amazed she has the money for all these legal proceedings. That, or it's all bull****, I'm yet to hear of one actually taking place.

    Either way, I'm sure Stephanie is loving the attention.


  • #221
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    According to their Twitter, Stephanie is soon to commence legal proceedings against Associated Newspapers Limited for daring to report on this. I'm amazed they have the money for all these legal proceedings. That, or it's all bull****, I'm yet to hear of one actually taking place.

    Either way, I'm sure Stephanie is loving the attention.
    As far as I know, it costs newspapers (usually the more tabloid types) more not to publish articles that could result in litigation - the circulation/clicks figures far exceeding the legal costs. I'd say their legal departments are always pretty busy.


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  • #222
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    The UK are revising their policy regarding trans identifying male prisoners being transferred to female prisons, after violence against women in prisons from males, and
    after officials forecast that numbers of trans or non-binary prisoners in England and Wales could rise to 1,000, up from 139 last year. There are about 4,000 biological women in prison

    So, trans prisoners will now most likely have separate wings in the prison. Which should have been what was done in the first place. The government have probably been scared off because of potential law suits.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/prisons-to-get-transgender-wings-6b2xpr88g

    And in other news the UK Office for Students, the Commission for Countering Extremism, the National Union of Students (NUS) and Universities UK in cooperation with the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) have issued guidance to Universities advising against deplatforming people with views that have of late been described as ''hate speech'' or triggering ie the biological stance on sex etc. People holding views that are not acceptable to some are perfectly entitled to think and argue their opinions.

    So, things are perhaps beginning to move towards a rational balance.


  • #223
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing



  • #224
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,809 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing

    https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864?s=19

    Thanks for sharing that.
    I don't know where those story comes from. it even popped up after again after that statement was made.


  • #225
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing

    https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864?s=19

    In his attempts to smear trans people, Linehan repeated this lie a lot. I wonder if he'll have the decency to apologise.


  • #226
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing

    https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864?s=19
    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    In his attempts to smear trans people, Linehan repeated this lie a lot. I wonder if he'll have the decency to apologise.

    Jaysus lads I'm sure whoever posted it didn't mean to hurt his feelings, sure write him a letter and apologise if ye feel that bad about it.


  • #227
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    In his attempts to smear trans people, Linehan repeated this lie a lot. I wonder if he'll have the decency to apologise.

    And he certainly should.

    Whatever about the merits of his crusade, he should acknowledge that using a made-up story from a tabloid is not on.


  • #228
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Dante7 wrote: »
    Does anyone have an opinion on the cotton ceiling?

    For those wondering, the cotton ceiling refers to lesbians who aren't attracted to trans women who identify as lesbians.

    My opinion on it is that people have the right to be attracted to whatever they want and I'm not going to tell those lesbians who they should be attracted to. It's unfortunate for the trans women lesbians but there's not a lot you can do when it comes to sexual attraction.


  • #229
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    For those wondering, the cotton ceiling refers to lesbians who aren't attracted to trans women who identify as lesbians.

    My opinion on it is that people have the right to be attracted to whatever they want and I'm not going to tell those lesbians who they should be attracted to. It's unfortunate for the trans women lesbians but there's not a lot you can do when it comes to sexual attraction.

    It's mostly to do with lesbians not being attracted to willies, because, well, the nature of lesbians is that they seem to like other ladies fannies. Not willies, not even cute girl dicks. They just mostly don't want dicks. That's all. The bad lesbians. :mad:


  • #230
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Gravelly wrote: »
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing

    https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864?s=19
    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    In his attempts to smear trans people, Linehan repeated this lie a lot. I wonder if he'll have the decency to apologise.

    Jaysus lads I'm sure whoever posted it didn't mean to hurt his feelings, sure write him a letter and apologise if ye feel that bad about it.
    It's not really a matter of Huntley's hurt feelings.

    The important issue is the hurt caused to many transgender people by demonising them based on a completely false premise.


  • #231
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It's not really a matter of Huntley's hurt feelings.

    The important issue is the hurt caused to many transgender people by demonising them based on a completely false premise.



    there were people calling for him to be moved to a women's prison because of that story and reporting people for "misgendering" him. Bet they feel silly now. it has happened that violent offenders are claiming to be trans in order to be moved. The fact that psychopathic liar Huntley is now claiming that this story is false doesn't change that.

    Sure this happened in the UK didn't it? I see you can discuss things that happened there when it suits


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  • #232
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    The story was used by trans haters with the help of their right wing media supporters in British tabloids to bash all transgender people by associating them with a child serial killer.


  • #233
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    klaaaz wrote: »
    The story was used by trans haters with the help of their right wing media supporters in British tabloids to bash all transgender people by associating them with a child serial killer.

    No it wasn't. It was pointing out the ridiculousness of allowing prisoners who identify as women to transfer to women's prisons. People were literally calling for this to happen based on the story and reporting people for "deadnaming" him.


    Even if it was true how is one trans person being a killer reflective on the entire community? Nobody was saying it had anything to do with trans people as a whole ffs


  • #234
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    No it wasn't. It was pointing out the ridiculousness of allowing prisoners who identify as women to transfer to women's prisons. Even if it was true how is one trans person being a killer reflective on the entire community? Nobody was saying it had anything to do with trans people as a whole ffs

    A story of a "trans child serial killer" implies to the public that all transgender people are a danger to both women and children. It's a vile smear, that's what the tabloids do, experts in sensationalism and lies, and some of their followers on boards picked up on that Huntley story to bash transgender people.


  • #235
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    klaaaz wrote: »
    A story of a "trans child serial killer" implies to the public that all transgender people are a danger to both women and children. It's a vile smear, that's what the tabloids do, experts in sensationalism and lies, and some of their followers on boards picked up on that Huntley story to bash transgender people.

    Nope. Please link to where all transgender people were "bashed". The situation that allows people to self id as a woman was, yes. That is not the same as smearing all trans gender people. The persecution complex is real though

    The fact is, people were calling for Huntley to be treated as a woman , including being transferred to a women's prison, based on this story. Him turning out not be trans at all just highlights how ridiculous the self id situation is.


  • #236
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A story of a "white male serial killer" implies to the public that all white male people are a danger to both women and children. Nope that doesn't work either. Even though most serial killers that have been identified have been white and male. Outside of a tiny band of purple haired loons on Tumblr nobody is thinking all white men are potential serial killers.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #237
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    If Ian Huntley isn't trans, then should all us non-trans men get all offended that he is somehow casting aspersions on us? :rolleyes:


  • #238
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Nope. Please link to where all transgender people were "bashed". The situation that allows people to self id as a woman was, yes. That is not the same as smearing all trans gender people. The persecution complex is real though

    Here you go, enjoy the read https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057881617
    Even the heading of that thread associates transsexuals themselves with Huntley when it's nothing to do with them.


  • #239
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    My problem with the Huntley story is there are genuine concerns to be addressed here and nothing is helped when made up stories are used to make a point.

    If someone circulates a false story to support their argument and then doesn't acknowledge that they made a mistake, then I would view that as acting in bad faith.

    Linehan can be quite a díck online but there are definitely issues worthy of discussion when rights clash as is the case with women's spaces and self id. This is a controversial topic that people have strong opinions about and false stories just make it more of a shítshow than it needs to be.


  • #240
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Here you go, enjoy the read https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057881617
    Even the heading of that thread associates transsexuals themselves with Huntley when it's nothing to do with them.

    The thread is titled "transsexual prisoners". How does that associate all transsexual people with Huntley exactly? I'd have thought the "prisoners" part excludes the vast majority of transsexual people


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  • #241
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The thread is titled "transsexual prisoners". How does that associate all transsexual people with Huntley exactly? I'd have thought the "prisoners" part excludes the vast majority of transsexual people

    Really? Huntley is not a transsexual prisoner. The thread title was not "Huntley prison controversy" or "Huntley allegation to be trans" or something like that, it was simply titled "transsexual prisoners", a dangerous slur associating Huntley with transsexual people. A tabloid would have been proud of that headline.


  • #242
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    klaaaz wrote: »
    A story of a "trans child serial killer" implies to the public that all transgender people are a danger to both women and children.

    Well that's just an out and out lie is what that is.


  • #243
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Really? Huntley is not a transsexual prisoner. The thread title was not "Huntley prison controversy" or "Huntley allegation to be trans" or something like that, it was simply titled "transsexual prisoners", a dangerous slur associating Huntley with transsexual people. A tabloid would have been proud of that headline.

    No, it was associating Huntley with a group of prisoners who are transsexual, or claim to be.

    The fact that he is apparently not a trans prisoner didn't stop people immediately calling for him to be transferred to a women's prison and getting people banned from Twitter for deadnaming him did it? That is the problem with self id and highlights how ridiculous the situation is.


  • #244
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Well that's just an out and out lie is what that is.

    Substitute that thread title of "transsexual prisoners" with "black prisoners" or "Irish prisoners" with the content of the thread specifically about Huntley, that is associating black or Irish people with child serial killers.


  • #245
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Substitute that thread title of "transsexual prisoners" with "black prisoners" or "Irish prisoners" with the content of the thread specifically about Huntley, that is associating black or Irish people with child serial killers.

    Have you actually read the opening post? It does no such a thing. Jesus Christ. It poses the question "should prisoners lose the right to identify as something else". You're twisting an agenda so spectacularly wrong. Embarrassing.


  • #246
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    My problem with the Huntley story is there are genuine concerns to be addressed here and nothing is helped when made up stories are used to make a point.

    If someone circulates a false story to support their argument and then doesn't acknowledge that they made a mistake, then I would view that as acting in bad faith.

    Linehan can be quite a díck online but there are definitely issues worthy of discussion when rights clash as is the case with women's spaces and self id. This is a controversial topic that people have strong opinions about and false stories just make it more of a shítshow than it needs to be.
    The problem with the Huntley story was the use of a made up story to rile up the easily led Mumsnet mob and distract them from the real issues causing danger to women.


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  • #247
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The problem with the Huntley story was the use of a made up story to rile up the easily led Mumsnet mob and distract them from the real issues causing danger to women.

    So violent male offenders can't identify as a woman and transfer to a women's prison? They can, and have. This doesn't make the issue go away, you'll be disappointed to know the mob on mumsnet arent shutting up about it.


  • #248
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    The Reddit UK politics crowd with it's 171k subscribers see that Huntley story for what it really was, to bash and damage transgender people.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/apfzru/last_year_the_daily_star_published_a_story/
    This story wasn't confined to the Star; it was picked up by the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Mirror, Metro and the Daily Telegraph. It was cited in an anti-trans op-ed in The Times, by the spokesperson for an anti-trans organisation in an interview with Sky News, and in a transphobic piece in the Evening Standard. It was a story that played into the most pernicious stereotypes of trans women, bolstering those who wish to castigate them as mentally ill men attempting to gain illicit access to women's spaces for malevolent purposes, and it was gleefully seized upon by anti-trans propagandists looking to demonise trans women.

    The fact that a story like this can be constructed out of whole cloth, spread like wildfire throughout traditional and social media, and then be quietly retracted almost a year later is symptomatic of a popular press that are morally bankrupt, and far more beholden to profit than to truth.

    A newspaper made up a story that played upon stereotypes of an extremely vulnerable community and will suffer no consequences as a result; trans people continue to suffer the consequences of the propagation of these stereotypes every single day.


  • #249
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,629 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ... and yet you STILL get people wondering why they get lambasted for linking to the Mail and the Sun to back up their opinions...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #250
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    So violent male offenders can't identify as a woman and transfer to a women's prison? They can, and have. This doesn't make the issue go away, you'll be disappointed to know the mob on mumsnet arent shutting up about it.

    Name one real life example.


  • #251
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    BBFAN wrote: »
    Name one real life example.

    Karen White


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838


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