Graham Linehan given police warning for "transphobia"

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/police-speak-to-father-ted-cocreator-after-twitter-transphobia-row-37393122.html


Seems a bit ridiculous?

Linehan, who lives in Norfolk, has tweeted calling her Stephanie/Tony/Steven”, references to her former names.

Outlaw Pete

Very Frankensteinesque.

RobertKK

A person could be called far worse.

Kermit.de.frog

What is "deadnaming"?

edit:

https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/deadnaming

Gimme A Pound

He's one of those "be tolerant and liberal and open-minded or I'll punch you" types and then does a u-turn re trans folk (in accordance with the TERF - trans exclusionary radical feminist - agenda; he is weirdly radical feminist and refers to trans men as self loathing - le irony). Personally I think he seems like a prick on both counts.

It's mad that the police are entertaining this stuff though. It should be a Twitter matter imo, not a police matter.

suicide_circus

they're eating each other.

Will he be sent to the gulag or get away with some light electroshock therapy?

Signore Fancy Pants

The world has gone to sh1t.

ceadaoin.

The reason he gave the former names was to expose this persons past where they were claiming to be a lawyer and defrauding people. Also, the person had previously been harrassing linehan and had threatened to publish the address of his wifes business online. What did she hope would happen with that information being made public amonst the TRA extremists?

It's ridiculous that the police are getting involved in Twitter spats. What a waste of time and funds.

One eyed Jack

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Seems a bit ridiculous?

There are a few things are ridiculous about it - the first of which is that someone would feel the need to harass another person on social media, the second is that someone would have to make a complaint to the authorities against someone for harassment in order for them to be told to stop. The third thing is of course that an adult has to be told to stop harassing people on social media.

Yer Da sells Avon

Good enough for him, the prick. Maybe he'll be more careful now, turn himself off and on again, etc.

That said, his accuser seems like a massive cry-bully. There was a pair of them in it.

Gatling

Plebtards

ceadaoin.

I wonder how many police hours this person has wasted. She sounds like the bully tbh, not linehan.

The creator of Father Ted is embroiled in a row with a transgender activist, who allegedly published online several addresses linked to his family in an attempt to “shut him up”.

Graham Linehan, the Bafta award-winning comedy writer, said he would not stop voicing his concerns in the debate over transgender rights, after personal details and addresses linked to his wife’s company were tweeted by Stephanie Hayden, an activist with a history of threatening Twitter users with legal action, and reporting them to police if they disagree with her views on gender. Publishing such details online is known as doxxing.

This week she reported Mr Linehan to Norfolk constabulary for “transphobic harassment”, after he shared a post with his 672,000 followers that included details of Ms Hayden’s various aliases, examples of her conduct online and financial history. The scriptwriter said he shared the details because he believed Ms Hayden to be “a dangerous troll. I believe it’s important to shine a light on people like that because they are harming women and transwomen”.

Ms Hayden, 45, an activist from Leeds previously known as Tony Halliday and Steven Hayden, claims to be a lawyer but is not recognised by any professional legal body.

She has previously accused Sussex University of being a “temple of transgender hate” and supported the campaign to oust female academics if they challenged transgender orthodoxy. She was also among the activists who pressurised a billboard company this week to remove a poster in Liverpool, which said the dictionary definition of “woman” was an “adult human female” because it was offensive.

When a transsexual solicitor challenged Ms Hayden, who graduated with a law degree from Birkbeck, University of London, to prove her professional credentials, she made allegations of hate crime to West Yorkshire Police.

Mr Linehan, 50, claimed Ms Hayden posted details of his wife’s company, and published them online, in retaliation for sharing details of her background.

“Hayden was trying to shut me up by attacking my wife,” he said. “The only thing the extremists will accept in this conversation is complete capitulation but I won’t stop talking about this.

“There’s this unquestioning reverence for anyone who says they are transgender, but this unquestioning loyalty is really dangerous. Once people start silencing views, they start thinking they can get away with anything. This time, Stephanie has overreached.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-ted-writer-graham-linehan-says-the-trans-activist-stephanie-hayden-is-dangerous-troll-6pwrg9p68

wexie

Milo Savory Joyrider wrote: »

It's mad that the police are entertaining this stuff though. It should be a Twitter matter imo, not a police matter.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's ridiculous that the police are getting involved in Twitter spats. What a waste of time and funds.

I was reading that earlier and those were more or less my thoughts. Sounds like there's a dick and a twat involved there but I didn't think either of those used to be police business.

I'm sure the cops were delighted to be dealing with this.

The Rape of Lucretia

Can people really be held responsible for their phobias ? An irrational fear or aversion ?

wexie

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I wonder how many police hours this person has wasted. She sounds like the bully tbh, not linehan.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-ted-writer-graham-linehan-says-the-trans-activist-stephanie-hayden-is-dangerous-troll-6pwrg9p68

Can't read the whole article but this line stood out from the bit I can read

were tweeted by Stephanie Hayden, an activist with a history of threatening Twitter users with legal action, and reporting them to police if they disagree with her views on gender.

as the kids say these days : I can't even

ceadaoin.

wexie wrote: »

I was reading that earlier and those were more or less my thoughts. Sounds like there's a dick and a twat involved there but I didn't think either of those used to be police business.

I'm sure the cops were delighted to be dealing with this.

Tbh the police in the UK seem only too delighted to get involved with these issues. Try getting them to attend the scene of a burglary or a domestic assault though and you might be waiting a while.

Yer Da sells Avon

wexie wrote: »

Can't read the whole article but this line stood out from the bit I can read



as the kids say these days : I can't even

The article was written by a journalist who openly shares Linehan's agenda on transgender people. As it's supposed to be a news article in the 'paper of record' and not an opinion column or an uncritical interview (which it essentially is), I'm surprised that line got past the sub editors.

If someone reports harassment (or perceived harassment) to the police, they have to act on it. In this case, it seems like they acted proportionately and don't appear to have wasted too much time. I'm sure they didn't arrive around at Linehan's house with flashing lights and carry out a dawn raid, fling him in the back of a van and drag him down to the nick. Whether it was tit-for-tat or not, what he did was wrong, and the police just told him not to do it again (and if he does, both he and his accuser are wasting their time). It's more embarrassing for him than anything - I mean, he's a grown man. Imagine the Gardai calling to your door because of something you said to someone on here.

suicide_circus

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Imagine the Gardai calling to your door because of something you said to someone on here.

Unless someone threatened me on here there is no way in hell the Gardai should be knocking on anyone's door.

TheValeyard

wexie wrote: »

I was reading that earlier and those were more or less my thoughts. Sounds like there's a dick and a twat involved there but I didn't think either of those used to be police business.

I'm sure the cops were delighted to be dealing with this.

Hehehehehe

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Linehan is very talented but doesn’t come across as the nicest chap. Then again, neither does this woman he’s spatting with. There’s a pair of them in it.

Yer Da sells Avon

suicide_circus wrote: »

Unless someone threatened me on here there is no way in hell the Gardai should be knocking on anyone's door.

Even then, I probably wouldn't be arsed reporting them. But it's easy for me, a cis man who's never been threatened before, to say that. If I was a member of a group that has historically faced violence and discrimination solely for existing, I might feel differently.

wexie

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Linehan is very talented but doesn’t come across as the nicest chap. Then again, neither does this woman he’s spatting with. There’s a pair of them in it.

No he certainly doesn't.

Having said that I don't think any of this should have attracted more than an email from Twitter support saying : cop yourselves on or you're both getting banned.

AlekSmart

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Tbh the police in the UK seem only too delighted to get involved with these issues. Try getting them to attend the scene of a burglary or a domestic assault though and you might be waiting a while.

It's a valid point for sure,possibly explained by the various "modernization" crusades in the various constabularies.

Most of them now have substantial "Fast-Track" career paths reserved for Graduates,which results in the far lower age-profile we see in UK Police TV interviews.

Some UK Superintendent rank, and above often look like Freshers,in comparison to the more....er...emm..."Mature" looking Garda officers sent before the same cameras.

It's not all viewed positively by the rank & file plod however,with a constant refrain of "disconnection" between the Uni Graduate and the College of Hard Knocks officers.

Being a Police Officer in the U.K. is not at all comparable with being a "Member" of An Garda Siochana...as they are two very different motivational bodies.

suicide_circus

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Even then, I probably wouldn't be arsed reporting them. But it's easy for me, a cis man who's never been threatened before, to say that. If I was a member of a group that has historically faced violence and discrimination solely for existing, I might feel differently.

particularly if your raison d'etre was the stirring of sheit

didn't he doxx someone else on twitter a few months back as someone merely disagreed with something and Linehan then took shot at his parents and other things (I think the fellas disability)....Linehan is known to be a prized prat, but the looper who complained isn't much better...how many names does he/she need

mcmoustache

I doubt anything will come of the police complaint.

Still, the "debate" that he's been having on twitter is somewhat interesting. I've often found him to be insufferable sometimes but not quite enough to unfollow. He comes across as an asshole a lot.

In the past few months, he has been calling out what he sees as absurdities from some trans activists. He's an open and unashamed feminist and he has been pointing out the problems of treating men in wigs as women under the law. Some cases that he highlighted include a business man who dresses like a woman sometimes winning some woman of the year award from some magazine, anatomically male rapists raping women in female prisons and anatomically male people in women's domestic abuse shelters. He's viewing this from a feminist perspective so he's not keen on men encroaching on women's spaces, particularly when it puts women at risk.

The other side in the "debate" is hard to pin down. Maybe I don't get it but it seems to be suggesting that if you feel like you're a woman, then that should be enough to be treated as a woman under the law and organizational policy. I could be wrong here and could well be mischaracterising it so maybe someone else could explain it better.

Anyway, as with most "debates" that he gets involved in, it's quite toxic.

suicide_circus

he lost a ball earlier in the year

wexie

suicide_circus wrote: »

he lost a ball earlier in the year

that's very careless of him

Yer Da sells Avon

suicide_circus wrote: »

he lost a ball earlier in the year

Worst one-balled person ever. You wouldn't find other one-balled people playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning.

wexie

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Worst one-balled person ever. You wouldn't find other one-balled people playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning.

Does he do the high notes?

(I'm sorry that was terrible )

Gatling

suicide_circus wrote: »

he lost a ball earlier in the year

Which one

JohnMc1

suicide_circus wrote: »

they're eating each other.

Will he be sent to the gulag or get away with some light electroshock therapy?

Clearly re-education training is in order.

mikemac2

Today I learned what doxx, deadnaming and TERF mean

I’m feeling old and struggling to keep up

Does anyone else find the term "deadnaming" incredibly crude and insulting? Parents gave you that name and obviously it means a lot to them, to refer to it in such a crass manner seems very mean spirited.
Then again, a lot of people I've seen use it tend to be unaware the world doesn't revolve entirely around them.

humberklog

Two ends of the same sh1t stick was how I filed this Spitter Twat away.

Yeah, yeah spoonerisms aren't funny... Except for Goney Bee.

amen

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

As it's supposed to be a news article in the 'paper of record'

The Independent was never Irelands Paper of Record.

Thats the Irish Times.

cantdecide

If only we could banish the two of them to some remote Island. Could be a good sitcom

Spanish Eyes

Whatever about the spat, it comes from a ridiculous start.

Either you have male/female genitals or you don't.

Self identifying is just mad. But it is the cause du jour I suppose and fires up the radicals.

The big issue is men self identifying as female and entering women only spaces. Just because they can. Don't hear of many females identifying as men entering their spaces. Well it is just a ridiculous thing this SI stuff. Off you go. But as a woman I really am concerned about SI male to female entering my space.

Such a tiny proportion of the population can cause all this grief. Sigh.

OldMrBrennan83

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Linehan is very talented but doesn’t come across as the nicest chap. Then again, neither does this woman he’s spatting with. There’s a pair of them in it.

Not being nice doesn't need to involve police though.

Muscles Schultz

I hear you’re a transphobiaist now Father

JohnMc1

Patww79 wrote: »

Not being nice doesn't need to involve police though.

I blame the Police for taking these things seriously and not telling these twits to get over it and stop wasting Police time and resources.

bloodless_coup

The worst thing about the article is the use of "Ms Hayden"

BBFAN

There's definitely a pair of them in it here but if I had police calling to my door about sh1t I'd posted on Twitter I'd be taking a good long look at myself.

Call Me Jimmy

Horrible things in store for the UK if they don't cop on quick.

Yer Da sells Avon

amen wrote: »

The Independent was never Irelands Paper of Record.

Thats the Irish Times.

I was referring to a quote from the Times, which is considered the 'paper of record' in the UK.

Afro Turner

Watching the left destroy itself over the trans nonsense is delightful.

Keep it up you freaks!

Yer Da sells Avon

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

Does anyone else find the term "deadnaming" incredibly crude and insulting? Parents gave you that name and obviously it means a lot to them, to refer to it in such a crass manner seems very mean spirited.
Then again, a lot of people I've seen use it tend to be unaware the world doesn't revolve entirely around them.

I know quite a few people who curse the names their parents gave them.

I don't like the term 'dead-naming' if it's being used to describe someone accidentally referring to a transgender person by their given name. Anyone can err, and tolerance should cut both ways. Big difference between making a mistake (I'd be willing to bet that a lot of transgender people accidentally 'deadname' themselves from time to time) and doing it because you refuse to acknowledge their identity and want to make them feel bad. Which is what Linehan was doing.

Afro Turner

Although I laugh I do feel bad for the Brits. Imagine living in such police state that calling someone the wrong can name can bring the police to your doorstep.

wexie

Afro Turner wrote: »

Although I laugh I do feel bad for the Brits. Imagine living in such police state that calling someone the wrong can name can bring the police to your doorstep.

Remember this is the country where you can be convicted of a hatecrime for posting someone else's rap lyrics online :

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

Carlos Orange

Afro Turner wrote: »

Although I laugh I do feel bad for the Brits. Imagine living in such police state that calling someone the wrong can name can bring the police to your doorstep.

The UK is a bit of a dystopian future really in a lot of ways. Especially considering it has a right wing government. You really have to wonder how much worse could the newspeak be if labour were in power.

Afro Turner

wexie wrote: »

Remember this is the country where you can be convicted of a hatecrime for posting someone else's rap lyrics online :

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

These are the same people who once dominated the world...