Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

Omackeral · 10-02-2019 5:23pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I find it difficult to get upset about this.

Going to a private residence en mass is beyond. His wife did nothing wrong. They have a newborn there too. There's a time and a place for legitimate protest. This is not the time, the place nor is it legitimate.

Calltocall · 10-02-2019 5:24pm

There are serious knackers now protesting at many contentious issues, health, evictions whatever the issue they are there, wastes of space who offer no solutions and probably have contributed very little in their own lives to this country but of course that’s all someone elses fault, I’m not a fan of harris or politicians in general but it’s a dirty move targetting someones family home.

Plumbthedepths · 10-02-2019 5:25pm

_Brian wrote:

Buncholf out of control knackers.

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Wheeliebin30 · 10-02-2019 5:25pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

I’m sure he’s a nice guy with good intentions but why he ever took this position on in the first place at the start of his political career was political suicide. He needs to resign for his own sake more than the country’s imho. The HSE needs to be dismantled completely and responsibility handed over to county councils/health boards again. The system wasn’t perfect then but it was never this bad. For any political party the minister for health should always be the veteran candidate who is the least likely to run at the next general election.

So he resigns.

What next for the HSE?

Sleeper12 · 10-02-2019 5:27pm

Jesse Dry Sprite wrote:

That is an absolutely scummy thing to do.

Agreed.

Someone's private residence should be off bounds for protests. There are plenty of places to protest without it effecting his family and private life

10-02-2019 5:27pm

Juanito13 wrote: »

All problems that existed prior to his tenure as minister for health. He doesn’t have a magic wand.

Firstly, FG has been in power for 8 years, it's time to end this 'inherited mess' nonsense.

Secondly, he, as part of the Government, has decided to reduce the resources available to the Government by lowering taxation, which is a pro-cyclical, destructive policy.

Let nobody be mistaken, such policies end with people dying unnecessarily. I'm sorry that Simon Harris was bothered on his weekend off, but there are people out there who rely on public services who are enduring far more real problems, including the unnecessary death of loved ones, via austerity and funding cutbacks.

My sympathy is very limited.

Plumbthedepths · 10-02-2019 5:27pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

What next for the HSE?

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't FG as an election promise in 2011 promise to dismantle the HSE one can only assume they had a plan on what came next, or do you think they lied?

Grab All Association · 10-02-2019 5:27pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So he resigns.

What next for the HSE?

That’s for the new chump, I mean minister.

EdgeCase · 10-02-2019 5:28pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So he resigns.

What next for the HSE?

That's the problem : it's been a mess for as long as I've been alive and it's chewed up and broken well intentioned ministers who've tried to tackle it and just carried on regardless.

Looks like we're prepared to keep rinsing, repeating, pinning the blame on an individual politician and failing to reform anything.

lbc2019 · 10-02-2019 5:30pm

The Idiot yellow vest brigade at it again...

padd b1975 · 10-02-2019 5:31pm

Éirígí scum I'd imagine.

Completely indefensible behaviour.

eagle eye · 10-02-2019 5:31pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

How long is a piece of string?
To raise a topical example, the fact that our nurses are rushing around trying to manage twice or three times the number of patients than is safe.

Or how about the lack of primary care facilities that should be able to detect and treat problems, especially in the elderly, before they have to present at an acute hospital?
How about patients lying on trolleys because there isn't the capacity to admit them, when they need medical treatment?
Shall we discuss psychiatric hospitals, and the near absence of public resources for people suffering with mental illness, until they reach a point where they become a danger to themselves or to others.
All of these factors are interrelated, and all reduce the life expectancy of patients who deserve better. This occurs by dint of a conscious decision of our Government to trade health outcomes for middle-class votes.
As I said, I am sorry the Minister experienced this, but there are families struggling every day with a lot worse, because of his decisions.

I think these problems all existed before he became Minister for Health.
I agree there is a lot wrong but why go after this man?

retro:electro · 10-02-2019 5:32pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?

To raise a topical example, the fact that our nurses are rushing around trying to manage twice or three times the number of patients than is safe.

Or how about the lack of primary care facilities that should be able to detect and treat problems, especially in the elderly, before they have to present at an acute hospital?

How about patients lying on trolleys because there isn't the capacity to admit them, when they need medical treatment?

Shall we discuss psychiatric hospitals, and the near absence of public resources for people suffering with mental illness, until they reach a point where they become a danger to themselves or to others?

All of these factors are interrelated, and all reduce the life expectancy of patients who deserve better. This occurs by dint of a conscious decision of our Government to trade health outcomes for middle-class votes.

As I said, I am sorry the Minister experienced this, but there are families struggling every day with a lot worse, because of his decisions.

As unfortunate as those conditions are, Simon is not directly responsible for this crisis, nor is his 3 week old daughter whose peace these scumbags decided to disturb when they landed on their doorstep today to shout and scream abuse.
Your home should be off limits.

Hurrache · 10-02-2019 5:34pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

The Idiot yellow vest brigade at it again...

Did you see the video of the yellow vest protestors in France having a big fight over the weekend? They were fighting with another gang of yellow vest protestors.

That's the level of intelligence that gets involved with that idiot show.

10-02-2019 5:34pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I think these problems all existed before he became Minister for Health.
I agree there is a lot wrong but why go after this man?

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

shafty100 · 10-02-2019 5:35pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Jailed for what?

On what grounds would you jail people for having a peacefull protest, thats totally unjustified.harris and his fellow dictators have imposed endless hardship on people and people have had enough. The next general will hopefully get rid of these parasites.

lbc2019 · 10-02-2019 5:36pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies *shrug*

Its scummy pure and simple

tikkahunter · 10-02-2019 5:36pm

Tinfoil hat on : Send around 20 odd protesters - look for sympathy . Gets the eye and a bit of heat off you regarding the children's hospital scandal and the nurse and midwife strike. Just saying .

Juanito13 · 10-02-2019 5:36pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies *shrug*

People are actively dying because of simon harris? Talk about Hyperbole

noodler · 10-02-2019 5:37pm

Anti-austerity?

Are these people for real?

We are spending like crazy. Have been for the last four years.

noodler · 10-02-2019 5:37pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

Tinfoil hat on : Send around 20 odd protesters - look for sympathy . Gets the eye and a bit of heat off you regarding the children's hospital scandal and the nurse and midwife strike. Just saying .

Just saying that's stupid.

eagle eye · 10-02-2019 5:38pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

He hasn't been there for eight years though. Reilly was responsible for a lot of cuts, bad cuts that cost lives.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

There's an often-times middle class fixation with Ã©tiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies *shrug*

Why not outside Varadkar's house then?
I think picking the house of a man with a baby less than two months old is really bad form.

10-02-2019 5:39pm

Juanito13 wrote: »

People are actively dying because of simon harris? Talk about Hyperbole

No, it's Healthcare Economics 101. We all know that economic decisions made in the provision of healthcare governance will affect health outcomes and mortality rates, the issue here is that decisions are being traded in favour of middle-class votes, ie tax reductions vs appropriate healthcare.

wrangler · 10-02-2019 5:39pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His Government, for which he has collective responsibility, has been in power for eight years.

There's an often-times middle class fixation with étiquette, a kind of suburban outrage that people might gather outside a politicians home to peacefully protest, yet nobody seems to see the problem with people actively dying because of that person's policies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Health service and those in it is the problem, has been for more than eight years.
After the Mc Cabe episode none is going to highlight the problems or maybe everyone is on the gravytrain

sabat · 10-02-2019 5:40pm

Is this the same poor babby he posted a picture of moments after it was born on his twitter account where he also promotes himself and announces government policy?

tikkahunter · 10-02-2019 5:41pm

noodler wrote: »

Just saying that's stupid.

So is spending 1.6 billion on a childerns hospital which could have been built for a 1/4 of that on a greenfield site .So there you go.

10-02-2019 5:43pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Never said it was a conspiracy, just voicing my opinion that it's convenient considering the pressure Harris is under and his forthcoming apology to the Dail. Funny though the protesters left before the Guards came and no footage of the protest anywhere online that I can see. Alan Kelly had a similar experience I believe.

Video footage is easily accessible with a few clicks on Facebook.

lbc2019 · 10-02-2019 5:43pm

Covering their faces... what have they got to hide???

lbc2019 · 10-02-2019 5:44pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

So is spending 1.6 billion on a childerns hospital which could have been built for a 1/4 of that on a greenfield site .So there you go.

where?

super_furry · 10-02-2019 5:44pm

The Fingal Batallion? What class of gob****es are these? Sound like fringe Republicans.

Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

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