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Willie Frazer has died

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  • #52
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    He indulged an intersting fact once in an interview with Pat Kenny.

    He played Gaelic football for a year as a teen. He said it was a great game.


    Billy Wright was another orange supremacist who played club football up to minor level in south Armagh.
    Think they both played for Whitecross (open to correction)


  • #53
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Sky Blue 20 wrote: »
    Strange that the Repulicans show no class on the death of a person. Infact it's not strange at all.
    When the sainted Martin died he was plauded by Unionists even though he was a mass murderer.
    Class can't be bought.

    No class at all, but there does seem to be quite a few hard-line Republicans on here, more than one would expect given their minority view.

    When Adams dies many thousands North & South would be sorely tempted to rejoice, but hopefully most of us won't, even though he's a nasty piece of work to most of us (outside Republican circles).


  • #54
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Sky Blue 20 wrote: »
    Strange that the Repulicans show no class on the death of a person. Infact it's not strange at all.
    When the sainted Martin died he was plauded by Unionists even though he was a mass murderer.
    Class can't be bought.

    That is some load of horse ****e. He got the usual PR spiel from official loyalism and the same as Frazer is getting from regular loyalists on the street.


  • #55
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Sky Blue 20 wrote: »
    Strange that the Repulicans show no class on the death of a person. Infact it's not strange at all.
    When the sainted Martin died he was plauded by Unionists even though he was a mass murderer.
    Class can't be bought.
    Throwing missiles and screaming abuse at small children walking to school is the kind of classiness to be proud of.


  • #56
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    but he was a victim of the troubles and clearly his views were affected by his father's murder


    I'm sorry for his family and I'm not entirely incognizant of the ways in which people come through these things but plenty of other people were victims without ending up as poisonous bigots.


    I'll save my wishes for people like Hume and Cooper. People who retained their humanity and reason even in the inferno of Northern Ireland.


  • #57
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    Sky Blue 20 wrote: »
    Strange that the Repulicans show no class on the death of a person. Infact it's not strange at all.
    When the sainted Martin died he was plauded by Unionists even though he was a mass murderer.
    Class can't be bought.
    I’ve seen plenty of Republicans on social media use compassionate language and condemn those mocking Frazer’s death. It’s petty and juvenile, although let’s not pretend Frazer didn’t operate at the same level.


  • #58
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    No class at all, but there does seem to be quite a few hard-line Republicans on here, more than one would expect given their minority view.

    When Adams dies many thousands North & South would be sorely tempted to rejoice, but hopefully most of us won't, even though he's a nasty piece of work to most of us (outside Republican circles).
    People of republican/nationalist/Irish Catholic backgrounds are forgiving of David Ervine despite his being involved with loyalist paramilitarism. Strange that...

    I am not going to go dancing on Frazer's grave but I'm certainly not going to resort to the bizarre attempts to find good in him like on this thread just because he died.

    There are republicans (or maybe they're not republicans) being crass here - but also those who are being very respectful (more than necessary imo). That person stirring sh1t of course doesn't acknowledge them. And there were obviously unionists and loyalists "good riddancing" McGuinness. Again though, gotta leave those out of the agenda.

    And of course there will be jeering when Adams dies, ffs.


  • #59
    Fan of Netflix
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    Sky Blue 20 wrote: »
    Strange that the Repulicans show no class on the death of a person. Infact it's not strange at all.
    When the sainted Martin died he was plauded by Unionists even though he was a mass murderer.
    Class can't be bought.
    BS when Seamus McGrane died recently loyalists were salivating online even Rangers fans in Scotland spewing bile....

    And it was even worse when Martin McElkerney killed himself in May. It was like Christmas in PUL circles. Its actually a very regular thing from PUL community.


  • #60
    Snickers Man
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    As Jake O'Kane once described him: "A haircut from the 1960s and a brain from the 1690s"

    He will be missed.


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  • #61
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    BS when Seamus McGrane died recently loyalists were salivating online even Rangers fans in Scotland spewing bile....

    And it was even worse when Martin McElkerney killed himself in May. It was like Christmas in PUL circles. Its actually a very regular thing from PUL community.
    I'd bet republicans/nationalists are the more forgiving.
    Snickers Man wrote: »
    He will be missed.
    By fellow hardline loyalists indeed.


  • #62
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Amidst all the homilies, it should be pointed out that to be as spectacularly unreconstructed as Frazier in the current NI era, where even old loyalist firebrands like Paisley - optics or otherwise - went into Stormont with Marty and even Arlene hides behind a patina of inclusivity - suggests that his background was merely an accoutrement to his mindset rather than the actuation.

    My honest feeling is that the Republicans publicy being sanctimonious about 'respect' are just engaging in some kind of unctuous decency oneupmanship wth Loyalists and that they are all gleefuly sharing Willie Death memes in whataspp groups.


  • #63
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    andekwarhola wrote: »
    Amidst all the homilies, it should be pointed out that to be as spectacularly
    My honest feeling is that the Republicans publicy being sanctimonious about 'respect' are just engaging in some kind of unctuous decency oneupmanship wth Loyalists and that they are all gleefuly sharing Willie Death memes in whataspp groups.
    Hmm, you’re well off the mark. As a Republican, I despised the man and anyone who shared his views (most Loyalists); am I happy he’s dead? No. I won’t lose any sleep either don’t get me wrong, but I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. Most people, other than the band of nutjobs who subscribed to Willie’s brand of extreme Loyalism are indifferent to his passing but are offering sympathy to his widow and remaining family


  • #64
    PressRun
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    Never understood the "both sides were as bad as each other" stuff. Republican violence, as extreme as it was, was born out of genuine mistreatment at the hands of police, British army and loyalist politicians who wanted desperately to sustain the status quo and treat nationalists as second class citizens. Willie Frazer was one of those people. I accept the hurt and anger he must have carried as a result of losing his father, but he was determined to drag things backwards and had no intention of meeting anyone halfway and honestly that is representative of a lot of those involved in the DUP and suchlike. They don't want to talk to anyone or compromise on anything. Republicans have been far more willing to sit at the negotiating table over the years. Hardcore loyalists have poisoned the discourse more often than not and the sooner they disappear from the scene the better.


  • #65
    Gimme A Pound
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    PressRun wrote: »
    Never understood the "both sides were as bad as each other" stuff.
    Even Kevin Myers - that mouthpiece for republicanism ;) - has conceded that that's bollox.

    People here in the republic feel obliged to be more scathing of republicanism (even, as I said, being forgiving of David Ervine but not Martin McGuinness) - maybe in order to show how distanced they are from it, but sometimes due, I suspect, to being just not that informed, and buying the narrative that the conflict was pretty much republican derived.


  • #66
    janfebmar
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    Willie’s outlook was shaped by the fact that his father, two uncles, two cousins and a brother-in-law were all murdered by republicans during the Troubles. Willie Frazer may have been a vocal campaigner for victims of Republican violence, but as someone else said, he never pulled a trigger or planted a bomb in his life - that is what the real divisive people did. The truly divisive people are the one that divided families by pulling the trigger and planting bombs, they are the ones that left empty chairs at kitchen tables.


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  • #67
    simongurnick
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Willie’s outlook was shaped by the fact that his father, two uncles, two cousins and a brother-in-law were all murdered by republicans during the Troubles. Willie Frazer may have been a vocal campaigner for victims of Republican violence, but as someone else said, he never pulled a trigger or planted a bomb in his life - that is what the real divisive people did. The truly divisive people are the one that divided families by pulling the trigger and planting bombs, they are the ones that left empty chairs at kitchen tables.

    The rhetoric encourages others to kill though...similar to paisley. No loss.


  • #68
    Woodsie1
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    jesus AH standards are slipping....I thought it was all bout the meme's

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  • #69
    Mad_maxx
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    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    Even Kevin Myers - that mouthpiece for republicanism ;) - has conceded that that's bollox.

    People here in the republic feel obliged to be more scathing of republicanism (even, as I said, being forgiving of David Ervine but not Martin McGuinness) - maybe in order to show how distanced they are from it, but sometimes due, I suspect, to being just not that informed, and buying the narrative that the conflict was pretty much republican derived.

    Not a SF voter but the southern media has always demanded far too little of unionism, unionism has never been expected to atone for anything


  • #70
    Peatys
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    andekwarhola wrote: »
    Amidst all the homilies, it should be pointed out that to be as spectacularly unreconstructed as Frazier in the current NI era, where even old loyalist firebrands like Paisley - optics or otherwise - went into Stormont with Marty and even Arlene hides behind a patina of inclusivity - suggests that his background was merely an accoutrement to his mindset rather than the actuation.

    My honest feeling is that the Republicans publicy being sanctimonious about 'respect' are just engaging in some kind of unctuous decency oneupmanship wth Loyalists and that they are all gleefuly sharing Willie Death memes in whataspp groups.

    Grammerly can only fix so much


  • #71
    Yamanoto
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    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    BS when Seamus McGrane died recently loyalists were salivating online even Rangers fans in Scotland spewing bile....

    And it was even worse when Martin McElkerney killed himself in May. It was like Christmas in PUL circles. Its actually a very regular thing from PUL community.

    Ignore them so, rather than fetishising such sorry goings on.


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  • #72
    janfebmar
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    simongurnick wrote: »
    The rhetoric encourages others to kill though...similar to paisley. No loss.

    He was a victims campaigner and had 6 close relatives killed / murdered by Republicans. He highlighted the campaign of ethnic cleansing along the border, and many death threats were made against him. Do you think the Kingsmill atrocity was right, when 10 innocent protestants were murdered, was right for example?


  • #73
    Yamanoto
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    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    People here in the republic feel obliged to be more scathing of republicanism (even, as I said, being forgiving of David Ervine but not Martin McGuinness) - maybe in order to show how distanced they are from it, but sometimes due, I suspect, to being just not that informed, and buying the narrative that the conflict was pretty much republican derived.

    The Loyalist rabble never purported to commit acts of violence in our name.

    Simple as.


  • #74
    Fan of Netflix
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    janfebmar wrote: »

    He was a victims campaigner and had 6 close relatives killed / murdered by Republicans. He highlighted the campaign of ethnic cleansing along the border, and many death threats were made against him. Do you think the Kingsmill atrocity was right, when 10 innocent protestants were murdered, was right for example?


    Ethnic cleansing ffs, do you know how laughable that sounds coming from loyalists. Ulster Plantation that was ethnic cleansing, and even now they celebrate it.


  • #75
    Galwayguy35
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    No class at all, but there does seem to be quite a few hard-line Republicans on here, more than one would expect given their minority view.

    When Adams dies many thousands North & South would be sorely tempted to rejoice, but hopefully most of us won't, even though he's a nasty piece of work to most of us (outside Republican circles).

    Adams although he should admit he was in the IRA did quite a bit to get the peace process over the line, Frazer on the other hand was a waste of space who did nothing only spew hateful bile out of his mouth.


  • #76
    The Satanist
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    janfebmar wrote: »


    He was a victims campaigner and had 6 close relatives killed / murdered by Republicans. He highlighted the campaign of ethnic cleansing along the border, and many death threats were made against him. Do you think the Kingsmill atrocity was right, when 10 innocent protestants were murdered, was right for example?

    All 6 were members of various branches of crown forces. No loss.

    Do you think the Glenanne gang were right? Or the night before Kingsmill? Or are we going to ignore any context? Do you think Willie has some share of the blame for the murder of the Quinn boys? He was a big fan of the Portadown orange order, was wee Willie , the ex- British army member.


  • #77
    Oasis1974
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    58 years to late....


  • #78
    Atoms for Peace
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    Sky Blue 20 wrote: »
    Strange that the Repulicans show no class on the death of a person. Infact it's not strange at all.
    When the sainted Martin died he was plauded by Unionists even though he was a mass murderer.
    Class can't be bought.

    I think you'll find any person with common sense mourned the death of McGuiness and Irvine equally. Both had the respect of a broad range of people and brought their electorate in a positive direction. Others unfortunately don't, but only an utter gob****e would gloat at the death of somebody from cancer.


  • #79
    FTA69
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    janfebmar wrote: »


    He was a victims campaigner and had 6 close relatives killed / murdered by Republicans. He highlighted the campaign of ethnic cleansing along the border, and many death threats were made against him. Do you think the Kingsmill atrocity was right, when 10 innocent protestants were murdered, was right for example?

    Victims campaigner my hole. He had no bother associating with Loyalist paramilitaries, something even the cops said publically, and he himself was a member of an armed protagonist in the conflict; as were all his relatives. (With a good chance they too were either members or supporters of Loyalist paramilitaries.)

    I’m not going to gloat over anyone’s death; but let’s not be rewriting history to say he was a decent moral chap standing up for the innocent because his narrative of who was and wasn’t a ‘victim’ was very skewed indeed.

    And there was no ‘ethnic cleansing’ on the border that’s a pile of b*llocks if I ever heard it.

    EDIT - he also attended the funeral of one of the Glennane gang; the owner of the farm from which attacks were launched resulting in the death of 129 civilians; stating “he wasn’t lily white but he was a decent man.”


  • #80
    _blaaz
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    janfebmar wrote: »


    He was a victims campaigner and had 6 close relatives killed / murdered by Republicans. He highlighted the campaign of ethnic cleansing along the border, and many death threats were made against him. Do you think the Kingsmill atrocity was right, when 10 innocent protestants were murdered, was right for example?

    Bullsh1t....his victim support group wouldnt represent innocent catholics killed in troubles


    How is that right


  • #81
    Atoms for Peace
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    When evaluationing someone's legacy you have to view the journey their life took.
    Even Paisley is know a respected figure due to his change of outlook which resulted in a power sharing government and friendship with those he would one-time seen as the enemy.


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  • #82
    McMurphy
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    Sky Blue 20 wrote: »
    Strange that the Repulicans show no class on the death of a person. Infact it's not strange at all.
    When the sainted Martin died he was plauded by Unionists even though he was a mass murderer.
    Class can't be bought.

    Stop talking through your hoop lad.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/martin-mcguinness-bonfire-mary-lou-mcdonald-3504961-Jul2017/


    His comments came after a black coffin daubed with the slogan “F*** the IRA” and adorned with an image of the former IRA commander turned Stormont deputy first minister was attached to a bonfire in east Belfast
    .


  • #83
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Willie’s outlook was shaped by the fact that his father, two uncles, two cousins and a brother-in-law were all murdered by republicans during the Troubles. Willie Frazer may have been a vocal campaigner for victims of Republican violence, but as someone else said, he never pulled a trigger or planted a bomb in his life - that is what the real divisive people did. The truly divisive people are the one that divided families by pulling the trigger and planting bombs, they are the ones that left empty chairs at kitchen tables.

    You'll be making hang sanger's for the wake Mary, yeah?


  • #84
    [Deleted User]
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    Willie clearly had hatred issues.

    But he at least had good reason. If one of our parents were killed would we turn the other cheek?

    And those that are spouting bile against this man. Well, what's your excuse for acting like him?


  • #85
    Fan of Netflix
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Willie clearly had hatred issues.

    But he at least had good reason. If one of our parents were killed would we turn the other cheek?

    And those that are spouting bile against this man. Well, what's your excuse for acting like him?
    Wasn't his father killed because he was involved in the murder of two innocent Catholics coming from a GAA match? He was killed in response to that I believe. A Ministry of Defence document also stated Bertie Frazer was involved the notorious Glenanne Gang.


  • #86
    [Deleted User]
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    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    Wasn't his father killed because he was involved in the murder of two innocent Catholics coming from a GAA match? He was killed in response to that I believe. A Ministry of Defence document also stated Bertie Frazer was involved the notorious Glenanne Gang.


    And, if that's the case... While making it more complicated it still doesn't take away from his father being killed. I'm not saying Willie was a saint, but those calling for him to burn in hell are as bad as him.


  • #87
    _blaaz
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And, if that's the case... While making it more complicated it still doesn't take away from his father being killed. I'm not saying Willie was a saint, but those calling for him to burn in hell are as bad as him.

    Tbh its hard to condemn someone for killing a member of the glenane gang...a group thats less known publically tham shankil butchers...but implicated in something like 140 murders



    That being said frazier had obvious mental health issues caused by grief inflicted to him and his family....its therapy he needed,not a platform to spread hatred


  • #88
    El Weirdo
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    janfebmar wrote: »


    He was a victims campaigner and had 6 close relatives killed / murdered by Republicans.

    His father was in the UDR and also very likely a member of the Glennane gang.


  • #89
    Fionn1952
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    Jaysus, folks....I've had my share of digs at Willie over the years, online and in person, but what is there to be gained from taking digs at his death?

    I can't say much positive about the chap, but perhaps it's better to say nothing than to jump in with some, 'glad he's dead' nonsense?

    No need to pull the fake sentimentality and elevate him to something he wasn't, but let his loved ones grieve in peace.


  • #90
    retalivity
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    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    Jaysus, folks....I've had my share of digs at Willie over the years, online and in person, but what is there to be gained from taking digs at his death?

    I can't say much positive about the chap, but perhaps it's better to say nothing than to jump in with some, 'glad he's dead' nonsense?

    No need to pull the fake sentimentality and elevate him to something he wasn't, but let his loved ones grieve in peace.

    I highly doubt any of the frazer family read an irish bulletin board site.


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  • #91
    Fionn1952
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    retalivity wrote: »
    I highly doubt any of the frazer family read an irish bulletin board site.

    Well I know for a fact that at least one of his closer friends lurks on here. Why would you be surprised to find that some of his family and friends do?

    It's not like there arent any Unionist/Loyalists from the North on here like.


  • #92
    _blaaz
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    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    Well I know for a fact that at least one of his closer friends lurks on here. Why would you be surprised to find that some of his family and friends do?

    It's not like there arent any Unionist/Loyalists from the North on here like.

    A good family friend of mine was murdered in dublin few years ago


    It had an entire thread of people gloating over his death,posters saying they hoped in died in pain etc


    Yous just learn to have distain of most people who say mean things about them


  • #93
    mfceiling
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    Well he's dead now. One less person dividing 2 communities. I've more respect and admiration for the people on the front line who are trying to unite the communities rather than drive a wedge further in.
    He really wasn't an intelligent person (complaining about an Italian flag flying at a school because he thought it was a tricolour!!).
    He obviously suffered from the troubles but many others did and used their grief to bring a better future for the North. He didn't.


  • #94
    Hamsterchops
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Adams although he should admit he was in the IRA did quite a bit to get the peace process over the line, Frazer on the other hand was a waste of space who did nothing only spew hateful bile out of his mouth.

    Adams = A vile man who carried many a bombers coffin and marched in many IRA parades. Never condemned the bombers either! Deeply embedded and steeped in Violent Irish Terrorism. For many years the enemy within (this State) as well as being a hate figure up North to those (outside Sinn Fein & the IRA).

    Frazer = Loyalist & Orange to the core, but obviously damaged, maybe because his dad + other members of his family were murdered by the IRA?

    Frazer was a bit 'touched' for whatever reason, but for people to come in here and make sneid remarks about him just as he's dies is very crass, and then to also "big up" & excuse Adams major part in all the death & mayhem......


  • #95
    Boxing.Fan
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Classlessness, moronic, and tasteless in the extreme :rolleyes:
    What a Wally boxing fan, honestly what a stupid post.

    It wasnt that bad.


  • #96
    Danzy
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    His father and Uncle and other were involved in a murder gang that were extreme in their hate and savagery, even by the standards of the time.

    He himself was poisonous by the standards of his own times.

    He is no loss but he will be a loss to someone.

    God have mercy on his wife.


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  • #97
    Gimme A Pound
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    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Ignore them so, rather than fetishising such sorry goings on.
    Ignore them? You could say that about absolutely anything. As said, far more forgiveness down here of loyalism, and that's an example. Criticism is not fetishisation.
    janfebmar wrote: »
    He was a victims campaigner and had 6 close relatives killed / murdered by Republicans. He highlighted the campaign of ethnic cleansing along the border, and many death threats were made against him. Do you think the Kingsmill atrocity was right, when 10 innocent protestants were murdered, was right for example?
    The unionism lickspittles always argue in such a shyte way - straight to "do you think it was right?" when no such thing was indicated.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    And, if that's the case... While making it more complicated it still doesn't take away from his father being killed. I'm not saying Willie was a saint, but those calling for him to burn in hell are as bad as him.
    No they are not "as bad as him" just for posting comments on a discussion forum ffs. I'm not gloating at his death - that's a crass, obnoxious thing to do, but he behaved appallingly, even with his reasons. He was horribly bigoted. The "he was no saint but" stuff - what's the downplaying for? The devil doesn't need an advocate.


  • #98
    careless sherpa
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    _blaaz wrote: »
    Tbh its hard to condemn someone for killing a member of the glenane gang...a group thats less known publically tham shankil butchers...but implicated in something like 140 murders


    That being said frazier had obvious mental health issues caused by grief inflicted to him and his family....its therapy he needed,not a platform to spread hatred

    The glennane gang were actively considering going into a Catholic primary school and murdering children. Is a good job that some of its members were removed from the area


  • #99
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    careless sherpa wrote: »
    The glennane gang were actively considering going into a Catholic primary school and murdering children. Is a good job that some of its members were removed from the area

    Masscaring the school kids was only nixed by higher up in the security forces who saw it would lead to full scale civil war. The Glennane gang were still all for it.


  • #100
    JustAThought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Danzy wrote: »
    Masscaring the school kids was only nixed by higher up in the security forces who saw it would lead to full scale civil war. The Glennane gang were still all for it.

    What in the name of God is that about?


  • #101
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Not the biggest fan of his but he was feckin great in Cheers tbf.


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