Arlene foster to attend ulster final

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 1:48pm #1

She gets plenty of stick for being a unionist and generally coming across as anti-nationlist

But I think she deserves massive credit for attending this (so many boardsies malign the gaa

)and hope she receives a good reception

verycool · 24-06-2018 1:50pm

I don't.

Kristopherus · 24-06-2018 1:57pm

verycool wrote: »

I don't.

Same here. The cunning bitch is cosying up to the Gaa and she has May by the short & curlies regardind Brexit and the Irish border. Can never warm to her:mad:.

Zebra3 · 24-06-2018 3:34pm

Hilarious the hole she has dug for herself and her party over Brexit.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 3:35pm

I bet she regrets going now. ....game was shiite

funkey_monkey · 24-06-2018 3:36pm

At least someone from fermanagh turned up for the game!

harry Bailey esq · 24-06-2018 3:41pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

She gets plenty of stick for being a unionist and generally coming across as anti-nationlist

But I think she deserves massive credit for attending this (so many boardsies malign the gaa )and hope she receives a good reception

Can't stand the oul trout, but yer on the ball. She has been directly affected by the war, her Da got shot in front of her as a young kid. It won't be easy to for her to stand there cheering on Fermanagh,so we can't deny credit on that front. Very humble and very brave. Relating to the first part of your post, she is anti nationalist. Thing is though, none of her predecessors made the effort of doing similar before. It's progress I suppose, albeit a tiny piece of progress but there ya go. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 3:41pm

Kristopherus wrote: »

verycool wrote: »

I don't.

Same here. The cunning bitch is cosying up to the Gaa and she has May by the short & curlies regardind Brexit and the Irish border. Can never warm to her:mad:.

Why would she be cosying up to the GAA and for what purpose? I'll still be voting DUP at the next election for obvious reasons, not because of she went to some GAA event.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 3:48pm

Taytoland wrote: »

Why would she be cosying up to the GAA and for what purpose?.

Gonna go out on a guess and say it's for outreach to nationlists??
As when this brexit is done and dusted they'll still have to find away to work together

I doubt we'll see her training u16 camoige or anything soon like....but can't have been easy for her to step foot into clones as could've faced a very hostile environment and noone would've taught less of her if she didn't go

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 3:54pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Why would she be cosying up to the GAA and for what purpose?.

Gonna go out on a guess and say it's for outreach to nationlists??
As when this brexit is done and dusted they'll still have to find away to work together

I doubt we'll see her training u16 camoige or anything soon like....but can't have been easy for her to step foot into clones as could've faced a very hostile environment and noone would've taught less of her if she didn't go

The conflict has been over for 20 years. She was hardly going to experience big hostility. She holds Unionist views, I'm sure most Irish nationalists acknowledge that and aren't gong to cry about it or get hysterical because they disagree with her.

harry Bailey esq · 24-06-2018 4:03pm

Taytoland wrote: »

Why would she be cosying up to the GAA and for what purpose? I'll still be voting DUP at the next election for obvious reasons, not because of she went to some GAA event.

If you were the cynical type, you could easily write this off as just another publicity stunt in the clusterf*ck that is blue politics in the occupied six. As I mentioned above though, she seen her father shot as a child and witnessing something like that sticks on ya. Believe me. Personally, I think she is genuine on this one and should be commended. Anyways it's too nice a day to be chattin politics, so I'm gunna grab meself an orangesoda and cool down.

Odhinn · 24-06-2018 4:06pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

I bet she regrets going now. ....game was shiite

Sure who could do anything with herself glaring at them.

Poor_old_gill · 24-06-2018 4:10pm

Taytoland wrote: »

Why would she be cosying up to the GAA and for what purpose? I'll still be voting DUP at the next election for obvious reasons, not because of she went to some GAA event.

For what obvious reasons?

harry Bailey esq · 24-06-2018 4:12pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Sure who could do anything with herself glaring at them.

I get unwarranted erections on public transport, when I'm nearly at my stop I picture Arlene. Saves me having to strategically place a newspaper over my groin.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 4:15pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Why would she be cosying up to the GAA and for what purpose? I'll still be voting DUP at the next election for obvious reasons, not because of she went to some GAA event.

For what obvious reasons?

Unionist views. Pretty obvious to me.

Patser · 24-06-2018 4:21pm

It's all positive small steps. Prince Charles shook Martin McGuinness' hand, someone that probably had knowledge on his uncle's murder. An Taoiseach visited an Orange Hall recently. Arlene at the GAA. Its only 10 years since any of this would have been unthinkable, acts of treachery by all involved on all sides. Now its all about showing how much things have moved on, and for those stuck in the past it's time to move on.

Atoms for Peace · 24-06-2018 4:31pm

Taytoland wrote: »

Why would she be cosying up to the GAA and for what purpose? I'll still be voting DUP at the next election for obvious reasons, not because of she went to some GAA event.

The recent referendum debate, amongst other things, has shown the northern gaa member to be rather conservative. The sort of people that are the natural electorate of the DUP; if it wasn't for historical and sectarian reasons.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 4:35pm

Be that as it may....she is undoubtedly showing something approaching leadership and reach out and given she is hamstrung by trying to represent likes of uda at times,

She deserves credit for this,

Eamonn8448 · 24-06-2018 4:37pm

Ah was wondering why a dog was allowed on the pitch - tell her to leave it at home next time she decides to visit

harry Bailey esq · 24-06-2018 4:40pm

That's why I said war, and not 'the troubles'. Regardless of creed, no child should see that.

Dyr · 24-06-2018 4:43pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Can't stand the oul trout, but yer on the ball. She has been directly affected by the war, her Da got shot in front of her as a young kid. It won't be easy to for her to stand there cheering on Fermanagh,so we can't deny credit on that front.

Cant be easy? Do you think her old lad was shot by a Fermanagh corner back or something?

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 4:47pm

Anyone know was she there for the national anthem?

Robinson sat in the car while it played, such lack of respect should be treated as such. I would have withdrawn his invite tbh.

Locally there is a sense that Arlene was snookered into this, I don't believe, given her insulting remarks about the 1916 commemorations, that this was her own initiative.
It's fairly redundant window dressing as a result.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 4:50pm

Her dad was a combatant, war is horrible but he was a legit target by any measure[/quote]
So Sinn Fein politicians deserved to targeted then? Seeing as they represented the PIRA.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 4:54pm

Taytoland wrote: »

So Sinn Fein politicians deserved to targeted then? Seeing as they represented the PIRA.

Her dad was a policeman I taught?

harry Bailey esq · 24-06-2018 4:57pm

Bambi wrote: »

Cant be easy? Do you think her old lad was shot by a Fermanagh corner back or something?

Obviously not,unless Fermanagh are putting an over 55s team out. Nonetheless, it would be a pretty safe bet to say that somebody on the Fermanagh county board had a hand in it. You know that, I know that and she certainly knows that. Geebag as she is, I think she's a humble and brave woman to attend the last two games.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 4:58pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

Her dad was a policeman I taught?

He was.
Arlene's experience of the troubles is somehow deserving of more than all the thousands of others who were affected by it.
It is used to excuse her belligerent behaviour far too often.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 4:58pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Obviously not,unless Fermanagh are putting an over 55s team out. Nonetheless, it would be a pretty safe bet to say that somebody on the Fermanagh county board had a hand in it. You know that, I know that and she certainly knows that. Geebag as she is, I think she's a humble and brave woman to attend the last two games.

Think one fermanagh players tweeted her with a ticket offer

Nekarsulm · 24-06-2018 5:00pm

Met her one night in Ballyjamesduff, here in Cavan.
Like all politicians she has the knack of making you feel that what you're telling her is critically important, and that you're the only one in the room.
Forceful personality, but still easy to talk to.
The group she was with went for a Chinese down the town afterwards ......

Your Face · 24-06-2018 5:05pm

Some good matches on today.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 5:06pm

Taytoland wrote: »

Unionist views. Pretty obvious to me.

Lots of people with Onionist views vote for other parts. And indeed, when it comes to small u-unionism, on polling evidence many vote SDLP and even SF!

So would this be view of what one might call a "hardline" nature? Or just voting for the biggest Blue team by default?

judeboy101 · 24-06-2018 5:09pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anyone know was she there for the national anthem?

Robinson sat in the car while it played, such lack of respect should be treated as such. I would have withdrawn his invite tbh.

Locally there is a sense that Arlene was snookered into this, I don't believe, given her insulting remarks about the 1916 commemorations, that this was her own initiative.
It's fairly redundant window dressing as a result.

She stood, but given it was f
In the republic it was just good manners, would she do it up north?

davycc · 24-06-2018 5:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anyone know was she there for the national anthem?

Robinson sat in the car while it played, such lack of respect should be treated as such. I would have withdrawn his invite tbh.

Locally there is a sense that Arlene was snookered into this, I don't believe, given her insulting remarks about the 1916 commemorations, that this was her own initiative.
It's fairly redundant window dressing as a result.

She stood the anthem I didn't think she had it in her... she got a warm reception seemingly.
That Heather Humphries tory fg td was right beside her while Michelle o Neill sf was a row behind eyes on the game... I have family up there so was hoping for the underdogs but not to be.

Video below hopefully,.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-44593896/dup-leader-stands-for-irish-national-anthem-at-gaa-match

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 5:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anyone know was she there for the national anthem?

RTE wrote:

Mrs Foster and party colleague Christopher Stalford then stood with the rest of the crowd as the Irish national anthem was played.

Robinson sat in the car while it played, such lack of respect should be treated as such. I would have withdrawn his invite tbh.

Classy of you. "Other side not conceding enough!", says unreconstructed hardliner not conceding an inch themself.

Realistically, look at it like this. First, the DUP are doing this in small stages. First a random MLA shows up. Then the leader, but skips the anthem. Then the next leader shows up for the whole shebang.

Secondly, this was politically easier for Foster than for Robinson, as it was in the Southern Foreign Power(TM). Standing for Amhrán na bhFiann in this context is just normal "diplomatic" protocol. (Slow enough as they've been even to manage that, mind you.) Petey attended a match in Armagh, where it would inevitably been seen as a concession to what his community construe as irredentism.

Locally there is a sense that Arlene was snookered into this, I don't believe, given her insulting remarks about the 1916 commemorations, that this was her own initiative.
It's fairly redundant window dressing as a result.

Give me even minimally positive window-dressing over wholly reactionary negativity like this, any day of the week.

super_furry · 24-06-2018 5:23pm

You couldn't even imagine this happening 20 years ago. Any progress, no matter how slight, is welcome.

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 5:24pm

davycc wrote: »

tory fg td

Isn't that a redundancy? Or do Tory TDs come in both FG and FF flavours?

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:28pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Classy of you. "Other side not conceding enough!", says unreconstructed hardliner not conceding an inch themself.

Realistically, look at it like this. First, the DUP are doing this in small stages. First a random MLA shows up. Then the leader, but skips the anthem. Then the next leader shows up for the whole shebang.

Secondly, this was politically easier for Foster than for Robinson, as it was in the Southern Foreign Power(TM). Standing for Amhrán na bhFiann in this context is just normal "diplomatic" protocol. (Slow enough as they've been even to manage that, mind you.) Petey attended a match in Armagh, where it would inevitably been seen as a concession to what his community construe as irredentism.

Give me even minimally positive window-dressing over wholly reactionary negativity like this, any day of the week.

You can cod yourself that this was genuine. Rather than hardline, I am realistic.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 5:28pm

davycc wrote: »

She stood the anthem I didn't think she had it in her... she got a warm reception seemingly.
That Heather Humphries tory fg td was right beside her while Michelle o Neill sf was a row behind eyes on the game... I have family up there so was hoping for the underdogs but not to be.

Video below hopefully,.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-northern-ireland-44593896/dup-leader-stands-for-irish-national-anthem-at-gaa-match

Ever feel yous see a day both yourself and foster cheering on the same thing :eek:

Sport really deos bring people together

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 5:30pm

You can't win with some people. If she attends, it's just a stunt, if she doesn't attend, it's a disgrace and how dare she not turn up. Hopefully Michelle O'Neil will now attend some local Unionist event in the coming months.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:33pm

Taytoland wrote: »

You can't win with some people. If she attends, it's just a stunt, if she doesn't attend, it's a disgrace and how dare she not turn up. Hopefully Michelle O'Neil will now attend some local Unionist event in the coming months.

The Ulster Final is not a 'Republican' or 'Nationalist' event. It is an Ulster sporting occasion, enjoyed by all religions and political viewpoints on the rest of the island.
These political leaders should have been in attendance years ago. Unionists are way way behind in this regard.

Sofiztikated · 24-06-2018 5:33pm

Taytoland wrote: »

You can't win with some people. If she attends, it's just a stunt, if she doesn't attend, it's a disgrace and how dare she not turn up. Hopefully Michelle O'Neil will now attend some local Unionist event in the coming months.

Rossnowlagh would be her best bet.

Of the 12th celebrations, it's one of the least threatening.

Not a chance she'd do the 12th, 12th August, or Last Saturday.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 5:35pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

You can't win with some people. If she attends, it's just a stunt, if she doesn't attend, it's a disgrace and how dare she not turn up. Hopefully Michelle O'Neil will now attend some local Unionist event in the coming months.

The Ulster Final is not a 'Republican' or 'Nationalist' event. It is an Ulster sporting occasion, enjoyed by all religions and political viewpoints on the rest of the island.
These political leaders should have been in attendance years ago. Unionists are way way behind in this regard.

So why was God Save the Queen not also played before the game? Don't be so naive, most within the Unionist community see the GAA as political and Nationalist which is fine, they are Nationalist in politics and nature. History shows us this, maybe more so in Ulster than the rest of the Island but it is what it is.

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 5:35pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Rossnowlagh would be her best bet.

Of the 12th celebrations, it's one of the least threatening.

Not a chance she'd do the 12th, 12th August, or Last Saturday.

11th bonfire would seem to be a bigger event in most places from what I know

However I can't see her attending an event for an organisation that bans Catholics from membership??

andekwarhola · 24-06-2018 5:36pm

It probably its a self serving, publicity measure but It can't do any harm. At the end, there's DUP voters and members that would never do that so it's at least an example, however cosmetic, in how to behave graciously.

Sofiztikated · 24-06-2018 5:37pm

Taytoland wrote: »

So why was God Save the Queen not also played before the game? Don't be so naive, most within the Unionist community see the GAA as political and Nationalist which is fine, they are Nationalist in politics and nature. History shows us this, maybe more so in Ulster than the rest of the Island but it is what it is.

Look forward, not back.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:39pm

Taytoland wrote: »

So why was God Save the Queen not also played before the game? Don't be so naive, most within the Unionist community see the GAA as political and Nationalist which is fine, they are Nationalist in politics and nature. History shows us this, maybe more so in Ulster than the rest of the Island but it is what it is.

It is this kind of thinking (that the GAA is some nationalist conspiracy) that has the unionist ideology in a bunker of hate.

An Irish Taoiseach or minister speaking about protecting our economic future will be insulted left right and centre by these people, without any reference to the political weight of what they have to say. I don't think I am naive one here. :rolleyes:

Sofiztikated · 24-06-2018 5:41pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

11th bonfire would seem to be a bigger event in most places from what I know

However I can't see her attending an event for an organisation that bans Catholics from membership??

There's no real "official" 11th bonfire though. And trying to have any kind of a security presence wouldn't end well.

Taytoland · 24-06-2018 5:43pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

So why was God Save the Queen not also played before the game? Don't be so naive, most within the Unionist community see the GAA as political and Nationalist which is fine, they are Nationalist in politics and nature. History shows us this, maybe more so in Ulster than the rest of the Island but it is what it is.

It is this kind of thinking (that the GAA is some nationalist conspiracy) that has the unionist ideology in a bunker of hate.

An Irish Taoiseach or minister speaking about protecting our economic future will be insulted left right and centre by these people, without any reference to the political weight of what they have to say. I don't think I am naive one here. :rolleyes:

It's not a conspiracy, a conspiracy is saying Aliens are underneath Area51. It's perfectly obvious to see the GAA is nationalist in nature and has grounds named after nationalists. What is wrong with pointing out the obvious and just factual information? Which I have no issue with at all. Fair play to them, that is what they believe and as a Unionist I have to respect them for being up front about it. It's just odd seeing some not wanting to acknowledge it as if something is wrong with it.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:44pm

Blaas4life wrote: »

11th bonfire would seem to be a bigger event in most places from what I know

However I can't see her attending an event for an organisation that bans Catholics from membership??

And burns effigies of people they hate. As well as the Irish tricolour.

Is this what they want in reciprocation? An Irish political leader attending and applauding that? Jesus!

Blaas4life · 24-06-2018 5:46pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

There's no real "official" 11th bonfire though. And trying to have any kind of a security presence wouldn't end well.

Sure they'll just have to have 1 and liase with local paramilitaries to ensure safety....and to ensure to effergies and irish flags etc burnt on it etc....but no reason it can't happen

alaimacerc · 24-06-2018 5:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can cod yourself that this was genuine.

Wherein do I "cod" myself that? Fake it until you make it, if that's the way progress can be made.

Rather than hardline, I am realistic.

You're apparently here to scoff at and to minimise what (little enough!) the unionists have done for reconciliation, and to rue nationalists having done as much as they have. Nothing realistic about that. Just reactionary and unreconstructedly partisan.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2018 5:48pm

Taytoland wrote: »

It's not a conspiracy, a conspiracy is saying Aliens are underneath Area51. It's perfectly obvious to see the GAA is nationalist in nature and has grounds named after nationalists. What is wrong with pointing out the obvious and just factual information? Which I have no issue with at all. Fair play to them, that is what they believe and as a Unionist I have to respect them for being up front about it. It's just odd seeing some not wanting to acknowledge it as if something is wrong with it.

The GAA is not a 'nationalist' organisation and welcomes all creeds and political persuasions for years and years now.
People like Arlene were quite happy to perpetuate the myth though. i.e. conspiracy theories.

*They have grounds named after all sorts of people btw. The town nearest to Arlene's birthplace hosts the Ulster final and the pitch is called after the same person the local Protestant church is - St. Tiernach.

Arlene foster to attend ulster final

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