Couple with six children killed in Palestine

Nodin · 02-10-2015 8:32pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Ah that clears up a good for things regarding your political loyalties, I would say you would have been a strong supporter of the republican movement who had a decent weapon and bomb making business with their buddies in Palestine. A signed up member of Gerry's army.
All is fair if it's a war against so called colonialism in Nodins world view!

"Nodin in Republican Shock!!!!!!"

02-10-2015 8:55pm

Eugene Norman wrote: »

They killed an 18 year old Palestinian girl. She did nothing.

If you can find a record of the Israeli army killing 18 year old Jewish girls for no reason please do share.

She was a terrorist.

The only sad aspect is that they shot her. Far too quick.

pmasterson95 · 02-10-2015 9:01pm

No

Good old boards. Palestinians are heros. Israelis scum. Some bandwagons never change

Amirani · 02-10-2015 9:06pm

Anyone who defends the murder of 2 civilians in front of their kids is a scumbag, regardless of your position on the Israel/Palestine situation.

hatrickpatrick · 02-10-2015 9:47pm

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Good old boards. Palestinians are heros. Israelis scum. Some bandwagons never change

Israelis aren't scum. Settlers are. If you disagree, by all means explain why - so far I've never seen a convincing reason not to regard people who steal others' property based on a religious myth as scum.

I still don't condone killing them because I don't condone killing, end of story. But I do regard them as scum. What specifically separates them from people who decide to move into my house and threaten me with guns when I tell them to f*ck off? That's exactly what the military backed settler movement has done. Palestinians lived on the land beyond Israel's 1967 border before they were driven out to make room for settlements. That's theft - there's no other word for it.

As I said before, the only settlers I feel empathy for are the children of people who moved to them. They didn't choose their situation and they didn't choose to be brought into the world in the middle of a war zone. But it's the parents who should regarded even more as scumbags for putting kids in that situation to begin with.

Nodin · 02-10-2015 9:49pm

Pmasterson95 wrote:

Good old boards. Palestinians are heros. Israelis scum. Some bandwagons never
change

If Palestinians were colonising Israel you'd have a point. They are not, however, so its hard to know what you're on about.

IngazZagni · 02-10-2015 10:11pm

No

I feel sorry for the vast majority of innocent Israelis who are demonised for simply being, well an Israeli Jew. That is more than evident here on boards. These same people are supporting an Islamic terrorist Government that support the murder of innocent civilians. Can you imagine the field day the same people would have if an Israeli Government official said something similar? Pure hypocrisy.

Nodin · 02-10-2015 10:16pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

I feel sorry for the vast majority of innocent Israelis who are demonised for simply being, well an Israeli Jew. That is more than evident here on boards................

That sounds like anti-Semitism to me. Could you link to the posts where this occurred?

IngazZagni · 02-10-2015 10:25pm

No

Nodin wrote: »

That sounds like anti-Semitism to me. Could you link to the posts where this occurred?

It was actually a response to Eugene Normans post.

hatrickpatrick · 02-10-2015 10:29pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

It was actually a response to Eugene Normans post.

In what way did he demonise anyone for being an Israeli Jew?

And furthermore, care to respond to the settler / Israeli distinction?

If you won't make such a distinction, please explain your reasons.

IngazZagni · 02-10-2015 10:50pm

No

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In what way did he demonise anyone for being an Israeli Jew?

And furthermore, care to respond to the settler / Israeli distinction?

If you won't make such a distinction, please explain your reasons.

It was a vague comment. He accused the Israelis of murdering a woman for simply being a non Jew. In other words he is demonising the Jews for murdering people who simply aren't Jewish. I didn't want to let that comment slide.

The settlers are moving to these regions for economic reasons. Most have jobs in these regions. Housing is also cheaper in these areas and many families decide to move to a bigger place. If you want to criticise this policy the fine. You say it is for the sole purpose to settle Isrealis in these regions. I say these houses are needed for an expanding population. 160,000 extra people in 2014.

Nodin · 02-10-2015 11:06pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

It was a vague comment. He accused the Israelis of murdering a woman for simply being a non Jew. In other words he is demonising the Jews for murdering people who simply aren't Jewish. I didn't want to let that comment slide.

The settlers are moving to these regions for economic reasons. Most have jobs in these regions. Housing is also cheaper in these areas and many families decide to move to a bigger place. If you want to criticise this policy the fine. You say it is for the sole purpose to settle Isrealis in these regions. I say these houses are needed for an expanding population. 160,000 extra people in 2014.

So they're only colonising because they have an expanding population.....O grand. That makes everything just rosy.

Eugene Normans post contains nothing anti-Semitic and it would have behoved you better to admit that no post existed than try to blacken his name with that nonsense.

Wibbs · 02-10-2015 11:08pm

Nodin wrote: »

I'm not comfortable with it happening in front of the children, but after that, no, I'm not pushed. They're colonists, they're in an occupied zone.

Not comfortable? For fúck's sake. :rolleyes:

Oh I am no cheerleader for Israeli hypocrisy. Israel's dealings with the Palestinians and their lands has been akin to a bully using a kids own fists to punch him, while repeating "stop punching yourself". It's been a plantation of European settlers on Arab lands, backed by bibles and bullets and bullshít. In Ireland we know all about that kinda plantation and the shíte it brings with it. TBH I'd have much more respect for the Israeli culture if they just came out and admitted all that.

On the other hand I admire their pluck and sheer force of will. Coming out of a human disaster, a polyglot of people, with little enough commonality but for being Jews, packed like ballast on a ragtag fleet of boats coming from a destroyed Europe that in utter madness had sought to wipe out its own. And from against near constant attack that they built a modern western nation in a thin strip of rocky land that if had ever been a land of milk and honey that time had long passed.

Somebody on some side has to stand up and go "fúck this shíte, let's move forward, let's isolate the fundis and move forward together". One helluva hard sell as our own country has shown. A century after 1916 and you still have the "it's all de Britz fault, the bastards".

TL;DR? People can be dumb cúnts.

Dan_Solo · 02-10-2015 11:11pm

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

Thank you for your comment.

Now everyone can see how you view the situation.

And thank you for your comment.

Now everyone can see that you have said they can see his view of the situation.

Dan_Solo · 02-10-2015 11:14pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

No sympathy for the Palestinians when they elect Islamic terror organisations like Hamas into power.

If only they'd voted for a Jewish terror organisation instead.

My name is URL · 02-10-2015 11:15pm

Wibbs wrote: »

with little enough commonality but for being Jews

I'm sorry but that's where you lose me.

'little enough commonality'?

Has there ever been, in modern times; another group with a 'commonality' that has ever been given the free reign and saddle too, to do what they want with those they have chosen to move in beside?

It's easy to say that others should move forward when you can get away with bulldozing those in front of you

Nodin · 02-10-2015 11:17pm

Wibbs wrote: »

..........................................

Somebody on some side has to stand up and go "fúck this shíte, let's move forward, let's isolate the fundis and move forward together". One helluva hard sell as our own country has shown. A century after 1916 and you still have the "it's all de Britz fault, the bastards".

TL;DR? People can be dumb cúnts.

This seems to imagine a situation where both sides suffer to some degree of equality, decide its not worth it, and agree to try and reach a resolution. In the Palestinian-Israeli case, the suffering is immensely on one side. As a result, putting up with the low level of casualties and losses incurred is seen as a payable price when viewed against the slow but inevitable taking of the West Bank, Golan and Arab East Jerusalem. Thus, no peace will be forthcoming, because the side with the whip hand see no need for it, and, in purely pragmatic terms, have no need for it. What we are seeing here is not Northern Ireland 1968 on, but the plantation, sowing its seeds of sectarianism and hate for centuries to come.

Dan_Solo · 02-10-2015 11:21pm

Wibbs wrote: »

And from against near constant attack that they built a modern western nation in a thin strip of rocky land that if had ever been a land of milk and honey that time had long passed.

Yeah, what a ****hole that place is. No wonder the people who were already living there are so glad the Jews stole their land off them and herded them into concentration camps for more convenient bombing.

KingBrian2 · 02-10-2015 11:23pm

Their has been increased tensions between Israeli's and Palestinians in the West Bank lately. No doubt this is due to the lack of political will by the United Nations to help resolve the issues at the heart of the conflict, namely Jerusalem becoming a free city for Israeli's and Palestinians and returning the Golan Heights to Syria as in Netanyahu's recent speech at the UN he mentioned disturbances on the Israeli Syrian border.

Nodin · 02-10-2015 11:25pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Yeah, what a ****hole that place is. No wonder the people who were already living there are so glad the Jews stole their land off them and herded them into concentration camps for more convenient bombing.

Bit odd that - according to the British and American survey of 1946 - the area was a net exporter of agricultural produce, the majority coming from Palestinian owned land and farmers. Evidently they didn't get forwarded the e-mail about the milk and honey.

Dan_Solo · 02-10-2015 11:25pm

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

A photograph of the knife can be seen here.

The Jerusalem Post? You may as well be quoting The Big Book of Brother's Grimm Fairy Tales TBH.
You can spot the sort a mile off when that's the source of their "facts".

Nodin · 02-10-2015 11:26pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Their has been increased tensions between Israeli's and Palestinians in the West Bank lately. No doubt this is due to the lack of political will by the United Nations to help resolve the issues at the heart of the conflict, namely Jerusalem becoming a free city for Israeli's and Palestinians and returning the Golan Heights to Syria as in Netanyahu's recent speech at the UN he mentioned disturbances on the Israeli Syrian border.

The united nations can do nothing as its blocked by a UNSC veto.

Dan_Solo · 02-10-2015 11:29pm

Nodin wrote: »

The united nations can do nothing as its blocked by a UNSC veto.

Read "Because the US will put up with any sh1t Israel tells them to."

KingBrian2 · 02-10-2015 11:35pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Read "Because the US will put up with any sh1t Israel tells them to."

China, Russia, France & Britain are on the Security Council. They could bring this up at a senior level to discuss taking down the walls that separate the opposing sides. It is getting tiresome the same process of Palestinian under 20's throwing stones at Israeli security forces and the world responding with meh.:mad:

Dan_Solo · 02-10-2015 11:46pm

KingBrian2 wrote: »

China, Russia, France & Britain are on the Security Council. They could bring this up at a senior level to discuss taking down the walls that separate the opposing sides. It is getting tiresome the same process of Palestinian under 20's throwing stones at Israeli security forces and the world responding with meh.:mad:

Basically the UN is a waffle shop and the Security Council makes the decisions. Including "let's do nothing" when one of them vetoes whatever it is that would go against their interests.
It's a sham.

MakeEmLaugh · 03-10-2015 12:08am

No

Deleted User wrote: »

She was a terrorist.

The only sad aspect is that they shot her. Far too quick.

That kind of strident language is not helpful to peace.

I believe it's sad than an 18-year-old felt she had something to gain by trying to stab a soldier.

I wish she had been detained, and sentenced to jail.

Perhaps she had been indoctrinated by children's television in Gaza, which encourages children to “grow up... and shoot all the Jews”.

Either way, nothing is gained by rejoicing over other people's deaths.

MakeEmLaugh · 03-10-2015 12:08am

No

Amirani wrote: »

Anyone who defends the murder of 2 civilians in front of their kids is a scumbag, regardless of your position on the Israel/Palestine situation.

I agree.

The people here who have defended the murders of these two people, in front of their infant child, are revolting.

Honestly, they make me want to throw up. Words can't express how little I think of them.

I'm glad they have said it, though, in a somewhat public forum.

There is now a permanent record of it online.

TomBtheGoat · 03-10-2015 12:12am

DrumSteve wrote: »

Whatabout...whatabout...whatabout....

Was whataboutery your word of the day and were you on a commission for saying it?

goose2005 · 03-10-2015 12:16am

Wibbs wrote: »

Not comfortable? For fúck's sake. :rolleyes:

Oh I am no cheerleader for Israeli hypocrisy. Israel's dealings with the Palestinians and their lands has been akin to a bully using a kids own fists to punch him, while repeating "stop punching yourself". It's been a plantation of European settlers on Arab lands, backed by bibles and bullets and bullshít. In Ireland we know all about that kinda plantation and the shíte it brings with it. TBH I'd have much more respect for the Israeli culture if they just came out and admitted all that.

On the other hand I admire their pluck and sheer force of will. Coming out of a human disaster, a polyglot of people, with little enough commonality but for being Jews, packed like ballast on a ragtag fleet of boats coming from a destroyed Europe that in utter madness had sought to wipe out its own. And from against near constant attack that they built a modern western nation in a thin strip of rocky land that if had ever been a land of milk and honey that time had long passed.

Somebody on some side has to stand up and go "fúck this shíte, let's move forward, let's isolate the fundis and move forward together". One helluva hard sell as our own country has shown. A century after 1916 and you still have the "it's all de Britz fault, the bastards".

TL;DR? People can be dumb cúnts.

tbh I don't see why people call the wall around Israel a terrible thing. It should be twenty feet thick and a hundred feet high. Really that's the only way to get peace

goose2005 · 03-10-2015 12:18am

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm sorry but that's where you lose me.

'little enough commonality'?

Has there ever been, in modern times; another group with a 'commonality' that has ever been given the free reign and saddle too, to do what they want with those they have chosen to move in beside?

Yes, during the postwar population transfers in Eastern Europe. Polish land given to Ukrainians; German land given to Poles; Lithuanian land given to Belarus; millions of peasants kicked off their farms and told to walk to a 'homeland' a thousand miles away. They managed to move on and construct viable societies

Wibbs · 03-10-2015 12:33am

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm sorry but that's where you lose me.

'little enough commonality'?

Has there ever been, in modern times; another group with a 'commonality' that has ever been given the free reign and saddle too, to do what they want with those they have chosen to move in beside?

It's easy to say that others should move forward when you can get away with bulldozing those in front of you

Eh… you really need to read about the shíte that jewish Europeans put up with. Oh and Germany was the least of it. At first. If you were drawing lots to work out which European nation would go full genocide on Jews, Germany would have been well down the list. That's why they had to cobble the blood laws together, as so many German folks were Jewish by marriage.

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Yeah, what a ****hole that place is. No wonder the people who were already living there are so glad the Jews stole their land off them and herded them into concentration camps for more convenient bombing.

Hysterical BS, with some hint of truth, but a major over reaction to said hint.

Dan_Solo · 03-10-2015 12:36am

Nodin wrote: »

That sounds like anti-Semitism to me. Could you link to the posts where this occurred?

Well you said you don't like people invading a country and rounding up the locals into a tiny prison camp forever.
That means you are a JEW HATER. Am I right? Am I right?

Dan_Solo · 03-10-2015 12:38am

goose2005 wrote: »

tbh I don't see why people call the wall around Israel a terrible thing. It should be twenty feet thick and a hundred feet high. Really that's the only way to get peace

Pity they couldn't build the wall on their own land isn't it? Or even stick to where it is now it's up.

Dan_Solo · 03-10-2015 12:39am

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

I'm glad they have said it, though, in a somewhat public forum.

There is now a permanent record of it online.

JFC get over yourself. It's only you and your Zionist Jerusalem Post loving mates who think anyone gives a monkey's.

Dan_Solo · 03-10-2015 12:42am

IngazZagni wrote: »

You say it is for the sole purpose to settle Isrealis in these regions. I say these houses are needed for an expanding population. 160,000 extra people in 2014.

Bit crowded in Dublin lately. Time to invade some random country and kick out the locals, yes? We need them you see.

Dan_Solo · 03-10-2015 12:45am

Wibbs wrote: »

Hysterical BS, with some hint of truth, but a major over reaction to said hint.

More or less hysterical than the post I replied to making out the people who stole the land Israel is built on are some kind of heroes deserving our applause?
I see you're the type that calls something "BS" but isn't actually able to say why. Almost as if you're simply not capable of doing so isn't it.

Dan_Solo · 03-10-2015 12:53am

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh… you really need to read about the shíte that jewish Europeans put up with.

Because once you know the history of the Jewish people, you'll realise stealing land and forcing hundreds of thousands of refugees into a permanent prison camp is a good thing?!?!
What about those Mongols/zombies/velociraptors, eh? Zionists aren't as bad as those guys either are they?

hatrickpatrick · 03-10-2015 1:03am

IngazZagni wrote: »

It was a vague comment. He accused the Israelis of murdering a woman for simply being a non Jew. In other words he is demonising the Jews for murdering people who simply aren't Jewish. I didn't want to let that comment slide.

He was not demonising "the Jews", he was demonising a couple of specific Israelis for their actions. I'm condemning scumbags in another thread on AH tonight, does that mean I'm condemning everyone in Dublin including myself...?

The settlers are moving to these regions for economic reasons. Most have jobs in these regions. Housing is also cheaper in these areas and many families decide to move to a bigger place. If you want to criticise this policy the fine. You say it is for the sole purpose to settle Isrealis in these regions. I say these houses are needed for an expanding population. 160,000 extra people in 2014.

All of that is irrelevant - Israel took the land by force from people who already owned it, which is illegal under international law.

What if I stole a woman's handbag for economic reasons, or broke into a house in England and moved the existing family out at gunpoint because "it's close to work" for me?

Are you honestly arguing that theft is ok so long as somebody has a good reason for doing it? Property rights are property rights. Stealing somebody's land by the force of a military power is illegal and evil. I don't give a bollocks why they did it - the border of Israel, already taking a large chunk of Palestinian land, was agreed by the UN in 1949. Every square centimetre outside this agreed line which has been colonised by the Israelis using military force is stolen land. It doesn't belong to Israel. They have the right to do only one thing with that land, and that is to get the f*ck off it, apologise to those they took it from, and stop treating their border as if it's an optional inconvenience.

Until this happens, I regard every incident that happens over there as ultimately the fault of the Israeli government. What they are doing is exact what the Brits tried to do in Ireland. Those defending settlements would, I presume, also oppose Irish independence? Those defending the IDF would presumably support the Black and Tans? I see absolutely no distinction between the two.

Israel does not legitimately own the West Bank or East Jerusalem. Taking land by force and calling one's country a civilised democracy are mutually exclusive. Taking land by force and presuming to identify with the modern, free world are mutually exclusive.

Israel needs to pick one.

hatrickpatrick · 03-10-2015 1:05am

goose2005 wrote: »

tbh I don't see why people call the wall around Israel a terrible thing. It should be twenty feet thick and a hundred feet high. Really that's the only way to get peace

The wall does not follow the Israeli border. Sections of it are built on land where Israel has no jurisdiction to authorise construction of anything

Resolve that and then maybe we can talk about a defensive wall. The current wall is not defensive, it's just another tool of theft.

03-10-2015 5:03am

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

That kind of strident language is not helpful to peace.

I believe it's sad than an 18-year-old felt she had something to gain by trying to stab a soldier.

I wish she had been detained, and sentenced to jail.

Perhaps she had been indoctrinated by children's television in Gaza, which encourages children to “grow up... and shoot all the Jews”.

Either way, nothing is gained by rejoicing over other people's deaths.

Meh.

All over the world, you attack a police force or army with a deadly weapon, you get killed. To say it was because she was not a Jew? That's just straight up Jew bashing. There are a few posters who are referring to the matter in terms of the Jewish people, which is simply anti Semitism, they want to imply that the issue comes down to something within the make up of Jewish people.

MJI · 03-10-2015 5:18am

I'm against the Jewish occupation of Palestine. That land does not belong to the Jews. They have no right to it.
What they are doing to the Palestinians is far worse than what was allegedly done to them in Germany in the 40's

03-10-2015 5:22am

MJI wrote: »

I'm against the Jewish occupation of Palestine. That land does not belong to the Jews. They have no right to it.
What they are doing to the Palestinians is far worse than what was allegedly done to them in Germany in the 40's

"What was allegedly done to them"?!!!

They are trying to do worse than take over the world and exterminate an entire people?

They're doing it very slowly and badly if they are.

Wompa1 · 03-10-2015 6:03am

MJI wrote: »

What they are doing to the Palestinians is far worse than what was allegedly done to them in Germany in the 40's

Ugh....

I'm against the Israeli settlements. Last year I read a timeline of negotiations between the Israelis and John Kerry. The Israeli government is deplorable and not be trusted. Preventing settlers on the West Bank from passing through to Gaza..killing children and adults...launching smoke grenades at children...shooting protestors...burning down Olive trees and Palestinian homes...taking over the land for the water and sanatation....also, the fact there's a border agreement which is only a few decades old...the way some people speak about this, it's as though nobody knows the real reason why this fighting is going on and it's one of those things that it's just ingrained now.

Palestinians quite rightly feel cheated. I was very pleased to see their flag hoisted at the UN.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 03-10-2015 6:18am

Can you imagine living in a tiny country and being surrounded by people who want to see you wiped off the face of the planet.

03-10-2015 6:46am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Can you imagine living in a tiny country and being surrounded by people who want to see you wiped off the face of the planet.

Israel shouldn't fear its neighbours. Any time they've gone to war, they've swatted them aside, even if at times in Yom Kippur it didn't look certain. And now with its main tormentor Syria torn apart, they should perhaps use it as an opportunity to work on their own relations. They are good at conflict, awful at winning the hearts and minds...the opposite of Hamas and co.

Nodin · 03-10-2015 7:00am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Can you imagine living in a tiny country and being surrounded by people who want to see you wiped off the face of the planet.

.....and continually provoking them by stealing land.....I'd credit meself with more sense.

pmasterson95 · 03-10-2015 8:33am

No

These threads are some of the funniest on boards. See the gormless fools who cry murder and injustice if some palestinian gets killed. Yet is overjoyed when an Israeli (preferably multiple) gets what they deserve for being Israeli. Wheres that whole #equality bull**** gone now. Lets celebrate the dead israeli scum.

Zebra3 · 03-10-2015 8:44am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Can you imagine living in a tiny country and being surrounded by people who want to see you wiped off the face of the planet.

Imagine living in your homeland (let's call it Palestine) and then a bunch of religious nutters from another continent (let's say Europe) decide they want to steal your land.

These terrorists arrive in, well trained and heavily armed, and proceed to drive out 750,000 of your people and steal 78% of your land.

And that's only the start of it. All backed up by the "peace loving democrats" in the west.

Would you be happy with that???

03-10-2015 9:00am

Nodin wrote: »

.....and continually provoking them by stealing land.....I'd credit meself with more sense.

The hostility of rogue states like Syria is not prompted by the theft of land in settlements. Sure they lost land to Israel in conflict themselves, but that's hardly unusual where a country wages war and loses.

03-10-2015 9:07am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Imagine living in your homeland (let's call it Palestine) and then a bunch of religious nutters from another continent (let's say Europe) decide they want to steal your land.

These terrorists arrive in, well trained and heavily armed, and proceed to drive out 750,000 of your people and steal 78% of your land.

And that's only the start of it. All backed up by the "peace loving democrats" in the west.

Would you be happy with that???

Imagine well trained and heavily armed religious nutters across the Middle East expelling you and fellow Jews into an area, let's call it Israel. And growing up in a society that promotes democracy, tolerance etc. And then find that the countries that persecuted you are still unhappy as you thrive in the scrap of land they sent you to, and want to wipe you and your people off the map?

Couple with six children killed in Palestine

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