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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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    #482
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,027 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Welcome to boards.ie and a nice first post :)
    handpref wrote: »
    I have 5kws of solar panels but I could count the days on my fingers where I would be exporting enough to charge the car.

    What makes you say that? On a fairly decent day like today your system will probably have generated about 20kWh - plenty to charge your car. And it is only March.


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    #483
    handpref
    Registered Users Posts: 607 ✭✭✭handpref


    unkel wrote: »
    Welcome to boards.ie and a nice first post :)



    What makes you say that? On a fairly decent day like today your system will probably have generated about 20kWh - plenty to charge your car. And it is only March.


    Thanks unkel, I have always found boards a great place for real information.
    I just checked my stats from yesterday and i generated 17.3kws and consumed 19.3kw. My battery reached 100% at 12 midday and held that until 4pm till the solar died off and house load took over. The battery held the house till 10pm.

    I exported 5.2kw’s but only because my battery is set to fully charge on the night rate, the solar provider is supposed to monitor this and make changes accordingly. At the moment I am so annoyed at the installer for not processing my grant I’m too angry to want to talk to them. I’ve made at least fifty calls and emails. It’s been going on a long time now and has unfortunately taken the good out of the project.

    But getting back to your point the zappi would have been useful there yesterday, I’m lucky enough to be off during the summer so I’ll ususkly have some machine running to soak up any excess.

    I will update my solar cost and savings on the renewables page when I hit the 12 month stage. Based on current projections and not including night time car charging the saving will be about €800 on the normal bill of €1720 annually. The house is all electric with two 3.5kw air to air heat pumps that give a year round house temp of 20-23 deg C in summer & winter.

    The system cost €10,200 including vat and that was the price given just before the grant was announced and it was honored. Sadly the same system is now advertised as €13,000 which is disappointing to say the least and makes a mockery of the grant. It is actually acting as a disincentive to install solar which is far from ideal given our planets state of health. Imagine getting a 5.4kw solar set up and 5kwh of batteries for €6400 after the grant, that would be a much better incentive. However given my projection it would still be an eight year payback based solely on economic reasons with €800 saving a year x 8 years.

    I was actually promised a free zappi by the solar sales guy but that never materialized..


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    #484
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    I think i've come to the conclusion that the Rolec is the charger for me. I've no PV nor an electric shower, and the affordable zappi is tethered only (AFAIK), which wouldn't suit my driveway.

    I've spec'd up a Rolec on https://evonestop.co.uk/
    32Amp
    Type 2
    Extras:
    - MIDI Approved kWh Meter
    - Changed the colour

    Taxes and shipping brings it to £406.
    Is that good/Bad/typical?

    What's the "18th Edition DC Monitoring Module", and it is required?
    Similar question about the "18th Edition Earthing". They sound like things I should include, but why would the only be optional if they're not required.
    Do I need either of these?


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    #485
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    18th Edition of the UK electrical wiring rule book. The DC bit is also required here (or if not yet, it will be). Not sure about the earth bit. Won't be any harm to have both anyway.


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    #486
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    I think i've come to the conclusion that the Rolec is the charger for me. I've no PV nor an electric shower, and the affordable zappi is tethered only (AFAIK), which wouldn't suit my driveway.

    I've spec'd up a Rolec on https://evonestop.co.uk/
    32Amp
    Type 2
    Extras:
    - MIDI Approved kWh Meter
    - Changed the colour

    Taxes and shipping brings it to £406.
    Is that good/Bad/typical?

    What's the "18th Edition DC Monitoring Module", and it is required?
    Similar question about the "18th Edition Earthing". They sound like things I should include, but why would the only be optional if they're not required.
    Do I need either of these?

    Any other opinions on this? I'm collecting my EV on Saturday so I kinda wanna get my ass in gear around this.


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    #487
    Zenith74
    Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Zenith74


    I've got two 32A Rolec Wallpods, worked flawlessly so far anyway, would recommend.

    Re. the new wiring specs there's a statement on the Rolec site -
    "After careful consideration, we decided that all Rolec EV charge points installed from 1st January 2019 would include the new DC sensitive device and TT earthing facility as standard. This means that anybody installing a Rolec EV charging point will have the peace of mind and confidence in knowing that it fully complies with all current regulations."

    Wonder if EVOneStop just have some 2018 models knocking around still. No harm having the latest version I assume.


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    #488
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Zenith74 wrote: »
    I've got two 32A Rolec Wallpods, worked flawlessly so far anyway, would recommend.

    Re. the new wiring specs there's a statement on the Rolec site -
    "After careful consideration, we decided that all Rolec EV charge points installed from 1st January 2019 would include the new DC sensitive device and TT earthing facility as standard. This means that anybody installing a Rolec EV charging point will have the peace of mind and confidence in knowing that it fully complies with all current regulations."

    Wonder if EVOneStop just have some 2018 models knocking around still. No harm having the latest version I assume.

    Where did you buy yours? I'm trying to source one but EVOneStop is the only place I can find them. Can't find anywhere selling that mentions the "DC sensitive device and TT earthing facility as standard".

    EVOneStop, with DC monitoring, Earthing, a KWh monitor, and a change of colour is coming in at £472.

    Amazon have the Rolec 32A (no mention of DC monitoring, Earthing, KWh monitor or colour) for about €385.


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    #489
    Soarer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,865 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Can you link to what you're getting, so we can try compare apples with apples?


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    #490
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Soarer wrote: »
    Can you link to what you're getting, so we can try compare apples with apples?

    EVStop
    https://evonestop.co.uk/collections/home-charging-range/products/wallpod-ev-charging-unit-type-2-socket-16-32-amp3-6-7-2kw-ip65?variant=9669995921455
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    Amazon
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Electric-EV-Charging-commercial-manufactured/dp/B01N12OVZI


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    #491
    Soarer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,865 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Good man.

    I've used Midshire Electricals in the UK for my Rolec.
    Here's the link to the one you're looking at.

    Now, you can't change colour, or add the monitoring module (whatever that is!).
    But the thing with Midshire is, when you select Ireland as your delivery address (+£18), they knock the VAT off! ;)


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    #492
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Soarer wrote: »
    Good man.

    I've used Midshire Electricals in the UK for my Rolec.
    Here's the link to the one you're looking at.

    Now, you can't change colour, or add the monitoring module (whatever that is!).
    But the thing with Midshire is, when you select Ireland as your delivery address (+£18), they knock the VAT off! ;)

    Cheers. Looks similar to what Amazon are selling, but gives the option of adding the *MID Approved Meter kWh.

    Zenith74 outlined what the DC monitoring module and TT earthing are above.

    Seems the options so far are:
    Amazon @ €380 - no metering, DC monitoring, or earthing.
    www.midselec.co.uk @ £390 - With metering. No DC monitoring or earthing.
    evonestop @ £376 - With metering. No DC monitoring or earthing.
    evonestop @ £472 - With metering, DC monitoring and earthing. And includes £10 to change colour.
    evonestop @ £334 - no metering, DC monitoring, or earthing.


    Need to talk to my sparks and see how necessary the DC monitoring and that 18th edition earthing are.


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    #493
    Soarer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,865 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Well I have neither, and nothing has blown up yet!


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    #494
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    The metering is an inbuilt kWh meter so you can monitor your usage. Its useful.

    The DC monitoring is a new thing that has been added to the regs in the UK this year. I dont know if it applies to Ireland or not. Its extra safety. It doesnt mean all existing installs are unsafe but any new EVSE's going forward are supposed to have it (in the UK anyway).


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    #495
    lotmc
    Registered Users Posts: 216 ✭✭lotmc


    Very happy to report that I have got the charger fitted, and the €600 grant has been received into my bank account.

    I bought all of the parts off eBay, at good discounts to price list. I went for original Porsche equipment (I have a Cayenne e-Hybrid) as I think it looks really well, compared to generic chargers. This is the same as what I now have on my wall https://www.plugincars.com/sites/default/files/home-dock-620.jpeg

    I got the charger for £275 (with a 5M cable; the standard one is 3M but thats too short)
    I got the Porsche-branded wall unit, which houses the charger, also for £250
    Fitting cost about €220, but it was a very easy install as it is mounted on the wall directly outside where the fusebox is. Very happy to recommend the electrician who fitted it and filled out all the paperwork - PM me if you want his details.

    So with conversion costs and parcelmotel charges, the total cost was about €850, with the grant reducing this to €250.

    I had spent some time looking for the kit (at the right price) on eBay, and I know I got great bargains, but its good to know that SEAI will fund stuff that is purchased privately off eBay. I supplied copies of the eBay invoices to SEAI.


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    #496
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Thanks all.

    Think i'll end up going for the Rolec, 32A with the KW metering only.
    Might put in an order for an 8 meter cable too. 5M might just about do at the house if I park a bit awkward, but the 8M cable should be put to good use.

    This crowd have a sale on at the moment too:
    https://evcables.co.uk/index.php/by-car/hyundai-electric-cars/hyundai-ioniq-charging-cable/coiled-euro-type2-type2.html
    8meter coiled Type2, 32A cable for £170


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    #497
    gar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭gar


    Hi folks

    Is there a home charger that you can set charge schedules on, see kWh usage and app to see and set the above?
    Also connects by WiFi?

    Not very obvious when I have gone looking. Think the zappi does this bar the WiFi?

    Cheers


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    #498
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    gar wrote: »
    Hi folks

    Is there a home charger that you can set charge schedules on, see kWh usage and app to see and set the above?
    Also connects by WiFi?

    Not very obvious when I have gone looking. Think the zappi does this bar the WiFi?

    Cheers

    Garo does an optional wifi module for their chargers. Looks like a raspberry pi too. Hmm.
    http://www.garo.se/en/accessories/wlan-communication-card1

    OpenEVSE also has wifi and does what you're looking for.


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    #499
    Anteayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 886 ✭✭✭Anteayer


    KCross wrote: »
    The metering is an inbuilt kWh meter so you can monitor your usage. Its useful.

    The DC monitoring is a new thing that has been added to the regs in the UK this year. I dont know if it applies to Ireland or not. Its extra safety. It doesnt mean all existing installs are unsafe but any new EVSE's going forward are supposed to have it (in the UK anyway).

    You'd want to ask that in the electrical forum on boards.
    There are new Irish regs published and coming into force later this year. They're called IS10101

    Mostly these days regulation in Europe is somewhat more harmonised and new innovations tend to come from cooperation between national regulatory bodies at CEN, CENELEC and IEC. So you'll tend to find if there's a new rule in the UK it's very likely to appear elsewhere too, especially if it's to do with something like EV chargers, PV etc. The wiring rules here are laid down by the NSAI.

    Ireland also has rather more restrictions on DIY work than the UK. Doing works that involve anything beyond work on an existing circuit here requires a registered electrical contractor. There have actually been criminal prosecutions for this.

    Basically adding a new circuit to the distributon board (consumer unit) is classified as restricted work in Ireland.


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    #500
    marketty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭marketty


    Has anyone got a price from Electric Ireland for a 7kw installation? I'm not a customer at the minute but might switch over if the price was right.


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    #501
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    ET101 being updated in the next few months too.


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    #502
    Anteayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 886 ✭✭✭Anteayer


    kceire wrote: »
    ET101 being updated in the next few months too.

    It was published for public consultation and those have now closed.

    Also, if you're looking for it it's no longer called ET101 as NSAI (National Standards Authority of Ireland) took over the role.

    It's now "I.S. 10101" so the next version would be I.S. 10101 : 2019


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    #503
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Anteayer wrote: »
    It was published for public consultation and those have now closed.

    Also, if you're looking for it it's no longer called ET101 as NSAI (National Standards Authority of Ireland) took over the role.

    It's now "I.S. 10101" so the next version would be I.S. 10101 : 2019

    Cheers.
    Yeah we get sent a copy of it by RECI as we inspect building sites and the wiring of particular installs come up for question a lot. Particularly around solar PV on roof tops in apartment blocks.

    Not much in the draft version on EV’s. Just load diversity IIRC.


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    #504
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Got my grant approval in the post today. At first glance, they don't seem to require proof of costs. Do they?
    It just seems to require the cost of labour, and cost of materials. I assume this is a combo of the electricians material expenses, and my expense when purchasing the charger?


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    #505
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,172 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Got my grant approval in the post today. At first glance, they don't seem to require proof of costs. Do they?
    It just seems to require the cost of labour, and cost of materials. I assume this is a combo of the electricians material expenses, and my expense when purchasing the charger?

    Yup that's correct.


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    #506
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Yup that's correct.

    Sweet! Now to briefly move money to revolut... :(


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    #507
    marketty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭marketty


    Black_Knight wrote:
    Got my grant approval in the post today.

    Can I ask how long from application to approval?


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    #508
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    marketty wrote: »
    Can I ask how long from application to approval?

    I applied on Saturday/Sunday.


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    #509
    marketty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭marketty


    Black_Knight wrote:
    I applied on Saturday/Sunday.


    That's great thanks, I'd heard 2/3 weeks!


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    #510
    Black_Knight
    Moderators Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    marketty wrote: »
    That's great thanks, I'd heard 2/3 weeks!

    Same. Had to read it a few times to be sure it was the offer letter.
    Titled "letter of offer to electric vehicle home charger scheme application"

    Got my approval for the ESB card, so just waiting on that now. I guess may isn't a busy busy car buying period, compared to the rush of January/July


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    #511
    randombar
    Registered Users Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭randombar


    Can someone PM me reasonably priced installers in Cork. Got an electrician friend of mine to install a while ago but he did as a nixer and cant sign off and I cant find someone to sign off on it for me for a reasonable amount.


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