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Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »Negative, it's a western society thing, it's the same in other countries, such as Italy - if you're a man and are within 5 meters of a child, you're automatically a paedophile.
not allowing me to qoute for some reason, but I disagree with the above. It isn't a thing in France, Germany, Poland and Spain. The spanish fathers are quite doting, and the Polish fathers are very outwardly caring of their children.
Also, I'm not entirely sure I agree with you about Italy. Italian fathers also are very playful with their children in public.
When did this become about "fathers"? You see dads with their children in parks and public places all the time everywhere. People are extremely stupid, but not at the level of not recognizing a father-child relationship, at least not yet.
The episode above - that would have caused hysteria and calls to the police anywhere in the west. It's not an "Irish" nor an "American" issue.One eyed Jack wrote: »Ahh tbh silverharp I can understand the reaction under the circumstances as described. I wouldn’t take it as an apt reminder of anything to do with me personally. It’s far worse if men actually were to start thinking that they couldn’t interact with children based upon paranoia about other people being paranoid. Other people being paranoid is their problem, you being paranoid (not you personally, but men in general), that’s your problem.
Yet, you have to be careful as the average idiot on the street can and will make assumptions. The gentleman from the story above did nothing wrong and found himself being asked questions...this wouldn't have happened if he didn't have a penis, which is the issue
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H3llR4iser wrote: »The episode above - that would have caused hysteria and calls to the police anywhere in the west. It's not an "Irish" nor an "American" issue.
Yet, you have to be careful as the average idiot on the street can and will make assumptions. The gentleman from the story above did nothing wrong and found himself being asked questions...this wouldn't have happened if he didn't have a penis, which is the issue
I'd be inclined to draw a distinction between the Anglo world against say continental Europe, with the US leading the way in paranoia and hysteriaA belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer
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H3llR4iser wrote: »Yet, you have to be careful as the average idiot on the street can and will make assumptions. The gentleman from the story above did nothing wrong and found himself being asked questions...this wouldn't have happened if he didn't have a penis, which is the issue
You’re right, I’m not even going to argue that one with you - it would have been incredibly unlikely to happen in the first place, let alone escalate as it did if it were a woman in that scenario instead of a man. So there absolutely is the issue of sexism.
Having said that, I don’t particularly care one way or the other whether or not it was sexist, and so that wouldn’t be an issue for me. The issue for me is one of child protection, and to that end if I had been in that situation myself where I observed a man who to my mind was behaving suspiciously, I wouldn’t have reacted the same way as the average idiot who works in childcare who are generally hyper-vigilant and super-paranoid about child safety concerns which lead them to make those kinds of assumptions.
I’m not suggesting at all that innocent men need to be more careful, and if silverharp hadn’t included the context I would have wondered was there more to it anyway, what I’m saying is that anyone, whether they be a man or a woman, needs to be aware of their surroundings and the situations in which they find themselves which can be misinterpreted, I don’t for one minute agree with the whole “children should be taught not to talk to strangers” nonsense, because that can leave children unaware of how to deal with those kinds of situations themselves, when other adults may not be around to protect them.
Anyone behaving suspiciously is going to be asked questions, it’s not a judgement on their character, and they maintain the presumption of innocence of course, and I hope the pendulum doesn’t swing the other way to the point where if someone is behaving suspiciously, they are not to be approached and questioned as to what business they have standing outside a school talking to children.0 -
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And here we go, an academic career that will likely be flushed down the toilette because Prof. Alessandro Strumia's study ended up producing data that doesn't fit in the mainstream narrative - guilty by Twitter, "offensive" claims and CERN distancing themselves following suit:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/physics-men-women-invented-alessandro-strumia-physicist-cern-workshop-talk-a8562801.html
Read the article, then have a look at his slides deck, which you can find here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c_NyUhOZ8erdqU2AGZJZtNfFeA91Kefj/view
"Physics was invented and built by men" is not even remotely the central point of his presentation, they found the sentence that was the most likely to cause outrage and slammed it on page 1; In all fairness, it's an extremely poorly worded bit that he should have left out - it's not helped by the fact his command of the English language ain't great (more than a few statements betray a thought process that started in Italian).
Most of his presentation goes against the notion of "gender quotas" and basically the concept that institutions MUST hire women, even in the case there are men who happen to be more qualified and suitable for the job.
However, strangely this didn't go down well at all - the biggest complaint is that he was telling women their careers were due to "tokenism", which you know, it's so much worse than telling men how anything they achieve is due to "male privilege"
TL;DR - if you conduct a study about gender discrimination in a sector and data end up showing there is none or, worse still, it goes the opposite direction than what is deemed "acceptable", don't tell anyone - burn your papers and pretend amnesia.0 -
H3llR4iser wrote: »And here we go, an academic career that will likely be flushed down the toilette because Prof. Alessandro Strumia's study ended up producing data that doesn't fit in the mainstream narrative - guilty by Twitter, "offensive" claims and CERN distancing themselves following suit:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/physics-men-women-invented-alessandro-strumia-physicist-cern-workshop-talk-a8562801.html
Read the article, then have a look at his slides deck, which you can find here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c_NyUhOZ8erdqU2AGZJZtNfFeA91Kefj/view
"Physics was invented and built by men" is not even remotely the central point of his presentation, they found the sentence that was the most likely to cause outrage and slammed it on page 1; In all fairness, it's an extremely poorly worded bit that he should have left out - it's not helped by the fact his command of the English language ain't great (more than a few statements betray a thought process that started in Italian).
Most of his presentation goes against the notion of "gender quotas" and basically the concept that institutions MUST hire women, even in the case there are men who happen to be more qualified and suitable for the job.
However, strangely this didn't go down well at all - the biggest complaint is that he was telling women their careers were due to "tokenism", which you know, it's so much worse than telling men how anything they achieve is due to "male privilege"
TL;DR - if you conduct a study about gender discrimination in a sector and data end up showing there is none or, worse still, it goes the opposite direction than what is deemed "acceptable", don't tell anyone - burn your papers and pretend amnesia.
But this is so frightening, it's like Orwells 1984, when facts were denied and erased from existence - is this where we are heading ?0 -
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I'm becoming so skeptical I wonder did she really deserve the Nobel prize or was it more 21st century tokenism. I hope she genuinely earned it.Did Obama really deserve the Nobel peace prize ? If anything the Nobel prize have shown more so than anything they are not immune to political interference.
Also in this case she was part of a team so it looks like reporting bias.Definitely not, but the sciences should be above politics.
That is the entirety of the problem and something that, surprisingly, "feminists" don't seem to get.
If you show me the article about today's Nobel prize, the message should be "Brilliant Physicist awarded Nobel prize!" - and to be honest it's the way I see it. Not for a split second I thought "surely this is a setup!", there's no need for that. Then I discovered she's part of a team of three, the names of the other two not even mentioned in many articles if not directly by her in interviews, and I have to ask "why?".
I still don't doubt Mrs. Strickland's merits and contribution to the team, not even remotely - what is questionable, is the media bias and why they deemed the contributions of Mr. Ashkin and Mr. Mourou less worthy of publicity. But surely the answer will be "well, for years and years..."
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