Mens Rights Thread

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609752#Comment_121609752

That's a euphemism for: No white man need apply.

iptba

“Mick Clifford: What is it about the fear of men? Lock up your daughters, unvetted, military age men are coming to town”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41307433.html

“I’ve worked in this sector for over 20 years and some of the most vulnerable people I’ve met have been single men.”

”These kind of tropes are a way of dehumanizing people coming into communities and removing any potential vulnerabilities that they (male refugees) have.”

”Meanwhile, on New Year’s Day there were 376 male asylum seekers awaiting an offer of accommodation, most of them literally sleeping on the streets.”

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”Then in 2012, the New York Times conducted an investigation which revealed that the Obama administration made a decision to exclude from collateral damage figures boys and men who were killed in drone strikes.

“These boys and men were referred to as military-aged males, an identifier that covers those between the ages of 16 and 60,” wrote Sarah Shoker in her book, Military Age Males In Counter Insurgency And Drone Warfare.

“In doing so, the Obama administration used gender as a shortcut to assign combatant status to boys and men who were near a drone target.”

In other words, it meant that the Americans could depress the real figures of civilians who were being killed in drone strikes.

Once the phrase “military-aged males” entered the lexicon, it was quickly taken up by those who were intent on demonizing asylum seekers arriving in the west from underdeveloped, often Muslim, countries.

Mark Malone, a researcher with the Hope And Courage Collective, which monitors far-right developments in this country, tracked the use of the phrase by British white supremacists to around 2015.”

iptba

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/01/14/teacher-fails-in-appeal-to-labour-court-over-alleged-gender-discrimination/

Teacher fails in appeal to Labour Court over alleged gender discrimination

Labour Court heard Damian Johnston made four applications for more senior positions over a decade working at a secondary school

More posting as a curiosity as there doesn't seem to be that many men taking such cases.

It's not clear to me that he proved there was gender discrimination. 

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I thought this was interesting: 

"A teacher who was twice passed over for promotion at a school where he had been the first ever male teacher"

iptba

A man’s pension is on average 35 per cent greater than a woman’s. That needs to change

https://www.irishtimes.com/your-money/2024/01/17/how-do-we-solve-the-gender-pensions-gap

“Taking a career break to mind family members grossly affects pension entitlements and career progression, with some women coming back part-time and thinking it’s not worth contributing to a pension.”

On top of the hurdles faced at home and work in saving for retirement, Rayman’s report found 36 per cent of women “don’t engage with the financial industry because they have felt patronised, citing the use of excessive jargon as a barrier”.

We are talking about adults. This seems like the common approach to excuse women/make out that they have little agency. 

Most men are expected to work full-time for their whole career. Often this work can be difficult in a variety of ways.

Many would love to have some time to work either part-time or alternatively take time out of the workforce for a period the way that women often do but don't have that opportunity. There is no mention of this side of the equation to make a more balanced discussion in the article.

cms88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121631589#Comment_121631589

So as ever nothing suggested to sort the issue other than blame everyone else.

iptba

This 90-second video from the US shows what can happen when men bond with a child as they believe it is their child only to find out at a significantly later stage, that it is not their biological child.

If paternity testing at birth was the norm, situations like this could be avoided:

https://twitter.com/picturesfoider/status/1751518252482666532

iptba

"What changes would women make to the Constitution? Here’s what 10 said"

"Ahead of two referendums next month, a migrant rights campaigner, housing activist, law professor, principal, first-time voter and others suggest amendments to make women’s lives better"

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2024/02/03/what-changes-would-women-make-to-the-constitution-heres-what-10-said

I'd have no problems with articles like this if they were balanced and ran a similar article asking men a similar question.

But there is a huge imbalance in how much society is focused on helping women versus helping men.

A word I have picked up to describe this is gynocentric = women-centric (or female-centric).

iptba

Just listening back to avBBC Radio One show, usually a lightweight listen, where they’re claiming it’s some sort of evidence for the patriarchy that Ryan Gosling got nominated for an Oscar for Barbie but Margot Robbie wasn’t. Also I previously heard some other coverage making out it was a disgrace and Ryan Gosling almost apologising for his nomination.

There was no mention that he didn’t get it above her: it was other women who were chosen above her. Minor points are that his nomination is for a lower category, supporting actor, and that another actress from Barbie also got a nomination in the best supporting actress category.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121742110#Comment_121742110

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now for content for this thread tbh.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121742201#Comment_121742201

Agreed. This one seems quite desperate.

iptba

I just checked the MensRights reddit forum and there were/are popular discussions on the topic: 

Feminist hypocrisy about Ryan Gosling

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1aee6q9/feminist_hypocrisy_about_ryan_gosling/

(307 net upvotes)

A man, Ryan Gosling has been nominated for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. Feminists are not happy at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/19ewosj/a_man_ryan_gosling_has_been_nominated_for_the/

(766 net upvotes)

"Margot and Greta making a billion dollar movie but Ryan getting nominated is exactly the point the Barbie movie was trying to make"

Ryan Gosling has a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination for Barbie, but Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig didn't receive nominations.

Since then, there has been a lot of talk on social media about how this proves how misogynistic society is. Gosling even released a statement saying they were treated unfairly.

ETA: Added that it's a supporting actor nomination.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/19edkrj/margot_and_greta_making_a_billion_dollar_movie/

(478 net upvotes)

ancapailldorcha

I still don't know what the point is supposed to be. Are you happy that feminists are upset? Is that the point?

Reddit upvotes are nothing.

iptba

The main points are that:

(i) He shouldn't have to apologise. He should be allowed bask in the glory of his personal achievement and not have to feel he has to apologise/similar. He didn't take any award from Margot Robbie, he was in a different (and lower) category for male actors. It's not a case of a man getting an award over a woman. Some other women did get nominated. 

(ii) The other main/associated point is it doesn't prove that we live in some sort of male-dominated society or one that favours men. As I say above, he didn't take any award from her, he wasn't a different (and lower) category for male actors. It's not a case of a man getting award over a woman. Some other women did get nominated. Also a woman from the Barbie movie did get nominated in the supporting actress.

There may be cases in society where there is bias or there might have been bias in terms of why one man or one woman got something over another man or another woman. This shouldn't be used as an example of this because they were in different, separate categories for men and women so weren't competing against each other. 

ancapailldorcha

If this is what men's rights activists are spending their time complaining about, it's safe to say that they're only interested in pushing an agenda, not the welfare of real flesh and blood men.

Iecrawfc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755039#Comment_121755039

You could literally change 'mens rights activists' to 'feminists' in that sentence and it would be also very correct

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121755005#Comment_121755005

If this is seriously the kind of thing people are worried about when it comes to 'men's rights' then there really must not be a lot else left to discuss.

It's a vapid event giving out vapid awards for (mostly) vapid films. Who gives a flying ****.

Sn@kebite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757021#Comment_121757021

I think it's pointing out how vapid feminists are. Complaining about a male being nominated when he's not even competing against women, and the separation of men and women in these awards is most likely demanded by feminists themselves. Now they're still unhappy. Feminism describes itself as being for equal rights for women yet girls in human sex trafficking are never mentioned by feminists, it's all millionaire women at the top complaining with monomaniacal obsessiveness on ridiculous issue. It's a men's issue in the sense this get HUGE amounts of air time while male issues are sneered at by these very feminists who focus on non problems.

I agree in the sense that MRAs need to not go down this route as male suicide won't be reduced by focusing on feminists no focusing on real women's issues. But I think it's something to be aware of. Feminism gets millions of dollars to research these non-issues in women's studies depts while it's incredibly difficult to get funding for any male issues.

My question is why should we not call out feminism on its BS? If you look at domestic abuse ideology we can see the massive changes happening in the support services due to (even partly) MRAs constantly criticizing feminist ideology like the Duluth Model 1994 and setting up our separate services. Do we really thing women's shelters would have altered their dishonest model all on their own? Would they have altered it as quickly, if MRAs didn't take the services to court when they did not admit male victims to the services?

iptba

"Women outperform men in getting senior jobs in Civil Service, report finds"
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/03/30/women-outperform-men-in-getting-senior-jobs-in-civil-service-government-report-finds

Some points come to mind.
A more minor point is the language used. My guess is if more men than women were getting senior jobs, the headline would unlikely be "Men outperform women" especially when it's not an objective assessment like an aptitude test or other examination.

More importantly, what the figures may suggest is there may be gender discrimination against male candidates.

Here is an extract:

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"The report says that, in 2022, of the 486 eligible application, 64 per cent were male and 36 per cent were woman. By the time of the final interview stage, the gender balance was virtually equal – 51 per cent male and 49 per cent woman.

"However, ultimately of the 28 recommendations to Ministers for appointments to senior management positions, 54 per cent were women and 46 per cent were men."
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Some extra information that might increase the probability that there is some gender discrimination is that in the past at least there has been a push within the civil service to promote more women. For example, that there needed to be at least one woman on shortlists for positions. This might not have been a rigid rule in every scenario but I heard it mentioned before. I'm out of the loop now to know whether that still exists.

Also there seems to be an interest in "diversity, equity, and inclusion" (DEI) regarding the civil service. In this environment, it seems possible that there will be some bias towards advantaging women/disadvantaging men.

getoutadodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121958001#Comment_121958001

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/8757e-government-approves-the-nomination-of-ambassadors/

8 jobs…7 women and one token male

It's flat out discrimination tarted up as equality

https://www.irishstar.com/travel/aer-lingus-re-opens-pilot-30589539

Aer Lingus encouraging women to apply for pilot training. Air India has highest proportion of female pilots of any major airline, Aer Lingus has next highest proportion.

iptba

There also has been some criticism of the lack of women promoted to senior roles in the Cabinet, with Labour leader Ivana Bacik telling the Dáil: “It’s a pity we haven’t seen more women elevated to the Cabinet, I must say that.”

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/how-frances-fitzgerald-and-a-fear-of-the-civil-service-saved-helen-mcentees-job/a2056415841.html

There were only 2 appointments. So 2 men are replacing 2 men. Three of the existing 5 FG cabinet members are female from a quick skim here
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0409/1442594-who-is-who-cabinet-reshuffle/