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8th amendment referendum part 3 - Mod note and FAQ in post #1

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    #1472
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    indy_man wrote: »
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    Even youtube has done all it can to suppress this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RVuXcgcnwWk

    Not really, hearing the stories of Irish women being forced to seek medical treatment abroad is enough to make me vote for repeal.


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    #1473
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    indy_man wrote: »
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    Even youtube has done all it can to suppress this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RVuXcgcnwWk
    What has YouTube done to suppress the video?


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    #1474
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    indy_man wrote: »
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    Even youtube has done all it can to suppress this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RVuXcgcnwWk

    Why doyou think people are so reliant on media to help make their minds up? It's so obvious the no side are media dependent based on their posters on every lamppost. I'm quite happy with voting yes. I'm quite happy if my vote leads to abortion demand up to 12 weeks. I've no problem choosing the option that allows a woman the healthcare she requires. It's as simple as that for me. Complicating it with agendas etc doesn't even come into the equation.

    But you go and seek whatever agenda you need to make you feel you're backed up.


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    #1475
    Billy86
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    applehunter wrote: »


    Pro life poster wanders into After Hours 8th Amendment Thread.

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    A pro lifer posts and immediately gets given a touchdown and six pint advantage by the mods? Because that's what the ref is doing there.


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    #1476
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    indy_man wrote: »
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    .........

    Have you the wrong thread maybe ?

    bookmarks can go a bit wonky


    This was your one :


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106114135

    I feel a little concerned about this, actually quite concerned. Has she more interest in repealing the 8th for some sacramental sacrificial reason rather than for the other reasons we are being told about.


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    #1477
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    indy_man wrote:
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.


    Something outside Ireland? You mean like all those Americans pretending to be Irish to distort and manipulate the referendum campaigns? Or do you mean tin foil hat sort of stuff?


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    #1478
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Ave Sodalis wrote: »
    Something outside Ireland? You mean like all those Americans pretending to be Irish to distort and manipulate the referendum campaigns? Or do you mean tin foil hat sort of stuff?

    See link in post above yours.


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    #1479
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,548 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    amcalester wrote:
    See link in post above yours.

    Doesn't work on my phone! I will have to wait until I get back to my laptop


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    #1480
    [Deleted User]
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    amcalester wrote: »
    See link in post above yours.

    A post of theirs on another thread just had a link to a site claiming bring adoration to Ireland is a communist plot. The yanks (us site) still haven't stopped looking for reds under the bed I guess, now they have to look for them in the medical profession too apparently.


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    #1481
    volchitsa
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So, timing eh?

    I've just had my mother come to me in tears with news about my younger brother , who's girlfriend is 27 weeks pregnant. A girl my own kids were delighted about ( my youngest, at 6, is the baby, over both sides of the family so he was chuffed that he wouldn't be anymore).

    Myself and the missus had been wondering between us how come they'd had so many scans, seemed a lot over the last while. Apparently they'd noticed a few things and it's all come to a head now, having seen a geneticist and whatever other doctors you see about these things . I don't know the full ins and outs because I'm getting the information 3rd hand but the jist is the baby may survive , and could survive a long life span but it would not be a life worth lioving. A life being kept alive , pretty much just for th awake of not being dead. A life of suffering for both child and parents, aswell as sacrifice for any other children they may have. So now they are looking at the prospect of having to go abroad, to see doctors and specialist and go through all the hurt and suffering all over again , to have a baby induced that won't survive and then have to travel straight back home to deal with it.
    These are two kids (relativly speaking I mean. They are mid 20s) and this is their first experience of pregnancy and the effects and stresses of what happens when it goes wrong. "Sorry folks, nothing we can do, here's a plane ticket so someone else can deal with you"


    From the beginning I have been pro choice and tbh I assu ed my mother was too, but this resulted in a bit of heated discussion ( not helped that we were both upset) when she went on the "abortion on demand" bit . She didn't seem to see any issue or connection between her upset and what others might be dealing with I their lives just because our family's particular situation is wholly medical.


    **** the laws and **** the 8th amendment.

    So sorry to hear that. Terrible news for everyone, and as you say, made so much worse by the official view, or lack of one. They need to know that whatever decision they make will be the right one for them and the baby.

    One of the worst things about the current law IMO is that it doesn't stop anyone terminating a pregnancy, just makes them feel even worse about the situation.
    Of course that is what it is meant to do, traumatise people.


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    #1482
    BabysCoffee
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    indy_man wrote: »
    No, everyday there are more and more girls not regretting terminating their pregnancies.

    Show some respect.

    Women. Not girls.

    Or are you eternally a boy?


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    #1483
    [Deleted User]
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    indy_man wrote: »
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    Even youtube has done all it can to suppress this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RVuXcgcnwWk

    Hmm biased media, where have I heard this before? Oh yes from the no side during the marriage equality referendum, during the divorce referendum etc, despite a number of broadsheets and tabloids have yes and no side people on their staff and actively writing opinion pieces on the same.
    But sure they can't all be bastions of balanced journalistic endeavour like the liberal for example.


    Re the YouTube video, won't open on this device (old but faithful ipad) can someone give me a quick review and why youtube are trying to repress something their hosting?


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    #1484
    PlaneSpeeking
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    indy_man wrote: »
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    Even youtube has done all it can to suppress this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RVuXcgcnwWk

    Indy_man - do you consider that this Amendment is not all about abortion?

    As I discussed today it is impacting on my physical health. I am not pregnant nor have I ever been or planned to become pregnant.

    Yet due to the 8th a mythical foetus that will never exist is delaying medical investigation and treatment, causing me pain.

    What gives you the right to dictate that to me ?


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    #1485
    [Deleted User]
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    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I've just had an x-ray cancelled for two weeks because of this amendment.

    I'm clearly not pregnant but the only way round it is for a GP to do a test and sign a form. Like my mum signing a note for school.

    This is my health we are talking about and I don't have the right to treatment. I am not even trusted to declare myself not pregnant.

    REPEAL THE 8TH NOW

    wtf?!

    Do you mind elaborating more on this? What was the scan for? Absolutely outrageous stuff


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    #1486
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Deleted User wrote: »
    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I've just had an x-ray cancelled for two weeks because of this amendment.

    I'm clearly not pregnant but the only way round it is for a GP to do a test and sign a form. Like my mum signing a note for school.

    This is my health we are talking about and I don't have the right to treatment. I am not even trusted to declare myself not pregnant.

    REPEAL THE 8TH NOW

    wtf?!

    Do you mind elaborating more on this? What was the scan for? Absolutely outrageous stuff

    I have a problem with my hip, osteoarthritis is suspected. Finally get an MRI to be told I need an x-ray beforehand. Gets that sorted in local hospital. Going Tuesday after BH

    They call this afternoon- asked when last period was. Apparently I am on "the wrong day" and have to reschedule on or about 20th.

    The only way round it is a GP doing a pregnancy test and signing a "ten day waiver" - my word is not enough. I am disgusted.


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    #1487
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Hmm biased media, where have I heard this before? Oh yes from the no side during the marriage equality referendum, during the divorce referendum etc, despite a number of broadsheets and tabloids have yes and no side people on their staff and actively writing opinion pieces on the same.
    But sure they can't all be bastions of balanced journalistic endeavour like the liberal for example.


    Re the YouTube video, won't open on this device (old but faithful ipad) can someone give me a quick review and why youtube are trying to repress something their hosting?

    Its the same as the twitter video.

    I doubt its been taken down, more not watched. Claiming its been taken down to try and drive interest.

    It's right on schedule too.


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    #1488
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,253 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Nice article in the Times today, alas cannot link as it was a recommended read so no link


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    #1489
    [Deleted User]
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Its the same as the twitter video.

    I doubt its been taken down, more not watched. Claiming its been taken down to try and drive interest.

    It's right on schedule too.

    It's up as I can find it my device just wont play it, but then again it won't unfortunately play any YouTube content anymore.


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    #1490
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    In fact, the more I think about it, after a week of the ICBR getting in the press, and overwhelming negative response, it's true to form for Ganly to come out with something to paint him as a victim.


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    #1491
    [Deleted User]
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    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I have a problem with my hip, osteoarthritis is suspected. Finally get an MRI to be told I need an x-ray beforehand. Gets that sorted in local hospital. Going Tuesday after BH

    They call this afternoon- asked when last period was. Apparently I am on "the wrong day" and have to reschedule on or about 20th.

    The only way round it is a GP doing a pregnancy test and signing a "ten day waiver" - my word is not enough. I am disgusted.

    Forgot all this "my body, my choice" ****e. What your saying here, even pro-lifers can get behind.


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    #1492
    SusieBlue
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Forgot all this "my body, my choice" ****e. What your saying here, even pro-lifers can get behind.

    I’m being investigated for cervical cancer due to high grade genotyping cell changes picked up during an abnormal smear.
    Before each appointment I have to do a pregnancy test, and If that test were to come back positive, there would be nothing they could do to help me.
    In 9 months time it could have progressed to cancer but I still wouldn’t be given an option to terminate.
    I would be expected to gamble my life that all would be ok and wait to start treatment and testing after the baby is born in 9 months, or else go to the UK for a termination and continue the preventative treatment.
    Either way, the Irish healthcare system cannot and will not do anything until I am no longer pregnant.
    Luckily I’m not and don’t plan to be any time soon but it’s a scary thought.


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    #1493
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    In fact, the more I think about it, after a week of the ICBR getting in the press, and overwhelming negative response, it's true to form for Ganly to come out with something to paint him as a victim.

    He's another one that show how two faced some of the pro life side are, he's all for no sex education, contraception, abortion etc but has no problems supplying equipment to armies for active operations and suggesting some countries be invaded, which will lead to men, women and children, and going just by statistical odds 'preborn children' being killed.


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    #1494
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Forgot all this "my body, my choice" ****e. What your saying here, even pro-lifers can get behind.

    No they won't.


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    #1495
    fritzelly
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    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I’m being investigated for cervical cancer due to high grade genotyping cell changes picked up during an abnormal smear.
    Before each appointment I have to do a pregnancy test, and If that test were to come back positive, there would be nothing they could do to help me.
    In 9 months time it could have progressed to cancer but I still wouldn’t be given an option to terminate.
    I would be expected to gamble my life that all would be ok and wait to start treatment and testing after the baby is born in 9 months, or else go to the UK for a termination and continue the preventative treatment.
    Either way, the Irish healthcare system cannot and will not do anything until I am no longer pregnant.
    Luckily I’m not and don’t plan to be any time soon but it’s a scary thought.

    In other words screw you, we have to think of what may be possibly a human life and if you have to suffer and even be declared clinically dead all that matters is the culmination of cells in your body


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    #1496
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I was attacked last Saturday by a man who took exception to my Repeal necklace. He came and ripped it of my neck. I wasn't out campaigning, I was just walking down the street minding my own business. I know of at least two other women who have been treated in a similar way.

    Thats assault and you should have called the Guards


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    #1497
    spookwoman
    Registered Users Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I have a problem with my hip, osteoarthritis is suspected. Finally get an MRI to be told I need an x-ray beforehand. Gets that sorted in local hospital. Going Tuesday after BH

    They call this afternoon- asked when last period was. Apparently I am on "the wrong day" and have to reschedule on or about 20th.

    The only way round it is a GP doing a pregnancy test and signing a "ten day waiver" - my word is not enough. I am disgusted.

    Similar thing happened to me few years back. Had a growth under my jaw which I had for some years and I had been trying to get it look at .But now it was starting to cause problems with my facial nerve and getting bigger. Went in for my first ENT appointment and was sent down to get an MRI or CT with contrast. I couldn't remember the exact date of my last period but I knew 100% I was not pregnant and I told them that but no they would not scan me. Didnt even get told if I went to doc and got a clear test.
    It took a few weeks to get that scan and then sent on for biopsy which showed a tumor which could not be 100% if benign.
    It took a further 9 months to get it removed and thankfully it was benign but the type of parotid tumor it was they have a risk of turning into a cancer. When this type of tumor turns cancerous they have one of the worst rate of survival between 25 to 65% live 5 years. Not to mention the bigger they get the harder it is to remove them from the facial nerve so there is an increased risk of partial facial paralysis.
    We get told on tv etc that if you feel a lump see a doc but if you are a woman of child baring years you have to prove to some receptionist that your are not pregnant so you can get a early or timely diagnosis

    Repeal the 8th for womens health


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    #1498
    The Legend Of Kira
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭The Legend Of Kira


    Moiratat wrote: »
    NAGDEFI wrote: »
    It's morally wrong imo to kill an innocent baby. We make decisions for our constitution not on how they effect us individually but for what we perceive to be the common good.

    "I was not in good health, my mind was a toxic place of hatred and depression from my family and boyfriend abusing me. My mother an alcoholic to put it lightly left for weeks on end, leaving me with my baby brother and 3 younger sisters and no food or money.  My older sister was never home and if she was she would only abuse us further (my older sister having sexually abused me and them). I "had" my boyfriend at the time, he abused me physically and mentally and it got to a stage where he would rape me and call me a slut or a whore afterwards. I became pregnant. My told my boyfriend and he tried to kill my baby by beating me, by forcing me to drink alcohol and many other ways, his family were stern Catholics. To me I wanted my baby, I wanted to be able to keep him or her and love them ,I still do love them but I had to look after my siblings which I couldn't do if my mother kicked me out which she would have. And I would have liked to have given my baby the best life possible and couldn't if I was kicked out and even at that point my baby could've been seriously hurt. My boyfriend threatened me that if I did not go to England he would kill me. So I did and I miss my baby terribly but I had to do what I did. Am I a murderer because of it or a killer? Every time I go out and see one of the no posters I want to end my life. I feel so much shame and disgust at myself. I had to leave my home to say goodbye to my baby, because of the eighth."

    So did I kill my baby?
    I know you were replying to another poster, but i ll reply to your post. I read over your posts & the vibe I get from your posts is you didn,t feel there was enough support/help available to of continued with your pregnancy,  there should of been a better social support system in place to of supported you & support other women in those type of circumstances that you outlined from your personal situation .


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    #1499
    Pwindedd
    Registered Users Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    Unfortunately, as I'm not an Irish Citizen, I cannot vote in the upcoming referendum. I really wish I could. I'd vote for repeal. Put very simply my reasons are simply that I only want a world where children are wanted and longed for.

    Women and couples know when they're ready and when they're not - the circumstances are personal. Every case is difference.

    I completely respect the right to disagree with abortion. And your right not to have one.

    But please let me make my own decision should I feel that's what I need to do.


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    #1500
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    gctest50 wrote: »
    We know the truth - Portiuncla is a slaughter house for newborns

    I live in Athlone, and Portiuncula is the nearest maternity hospital, my 3 kids were born there without any problems.

    When my wife was pregnant the first time in 1995, she asked around at work and among friends (the way you do) to see who she might go to. There were two ObGyn guys there that she might have attended, and the general opinion was that one looked like a rugby-playing ape but was grand, and the other was to be avoided at all costs.

    Guess which one signed that letter.


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    #1501
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    indy_man wrote: »
    Any of you pro-repeal people any bit concerned how skewed the press and media are? Do you not sense some meddling here on a global scale, do you not worry that there might be something outside Ireland trying to influence us.

    You only have to look at the poster campaigns to see that No have had more cash since Day 1, obviously American money.

    And the media have a tough row to hoe - they have to try to present both sides impartially, but they also have to deal with the fact that the No side are telling a non-stop barrage of lies.


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