Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Non book readers"

nc6000 · 26-05-2016 10:37AM

What exactly is the point of the direwolves? They don't seem to be of much importance and that's two that have been killed off in two episodes now.

Or have I missed something?

zzfh · 26-05-2016 10:56AM

It's mentioned in earlier seasons that stark's have blood of the first men (jon talkin to the ginger wan is one example). sooo the children of the forest 'made' whitewalkers to fight off the 1st men. soo the boyo at the tree getting stabbed(who turns out to be a main whitewalker?)could essentially be a Stark??

timmyntc · 26-05-2016 11:28AM

zzfh wrote: »

It's mentioned in earlier seasons that stark's have blood of the first men (jon talkin to the ginger wan is one example). sooo the children of the forest 'made' whitewalkers to fight off the 1st men. soo the boyo at the tree getting stabbed(who turns out to be a main whitewalker?)could essentially be a Stark??

I thought it was the Andals who the forest thingies were fighting?

zzfh · 26-05-2016 11:38AM

timmyntc wrote: »

I thought it was the Andals who the forest thingies were fighting?

on mondays ep,when the cotf were explaining why they created whitewalkers they said 'we needed to defend ourselves' Bran:from who?...'From you,from men.'

PressRun · 26-05-2016 11:51AM

nc6000 wrote: »

What exactly is the point of the direwolves? They don't seem to be of much importance and that's two that have been killed off in two episodes now.

Or have I missed something?

I remember reading something a while ago that said the CGI or something for the direwolves is quite expensive, which may be an explanation for why they haven't featured much or have been swiftly killed off. I agree though. They have built up their significance and how they're supposed to have a special connection with their owners only for them to be quickly.killed or barely appear at all.

DeadHand · 26-05-2016 11:58AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

No-one defects from the Faceless Men.

I'll get my coat....

It took me a humiliating amount of time to get this.

screamer · 26-05-2016 11:59AM

Well the direwolves are aptly named- dire. there are how many left now? 2? aryas missing like her and Jon snows.

Butters1979 · 26-05-2016 12:16PM

screamer wrote: »

Well the direwolves are aptly named- dire. there are how many left now? 2? aryas missing like her and Jon snows.

Wasn't Arya's wolf killed by Ned Stark after he bit Joffrey back in the start of the first season?

Edit: Nope, That was Sansa's wolf after Arya's got away.

timmyntc · 26-05-2016 12:18PM

zzfh wrote: »

on mondays ep,when the cotf were explaining why they created whitewalkers they said 'we needed to defend ourselves' Bran:from who?...'From you,from men.'

Weren't the Andals men too? Except that they came to Westeros after the 1st men

dinorebel · 26-05-2016 12:19PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Wasn't Arya's wolf killed by Ned Stark after he bit Joffrey back in the start of the first season?

Was that not Sansa's

screamer · 26-05-2016 12:20PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Wasn't Arya's wolf killed by Ned Stark after he bit Joffrey back in the start of the first season?

I googled it there it is just Jon and Aryas that are alive. Sansas was killed in place of aryas for attacking joffrey.

Butters1979 · 26-05-2016 12:26PM

screamer wrote: »

I googled it there it is just Jon and Aryas that are alive. Sansas was killed in place of aryas for attacking joffrey.

Yup, I realized that afterwards. Either way, they are terrible,

seamus · 26-05-2016 12:33PM

I have a feeling there's supposed to be some kind of meaning to the direwolves. That so long as each direwolf is alive, it's owner remains connected to Ned Stark.

Sansa's was the first to die after she had already started fawning over Joffery and effectively discarded her family. Arya's was sent away and became lost, and it was roughly at that time that Arya became "lost". Always a Stark, but she never had a place to fit, and she ran away. Robb's obviously died with him. Bran and Rickon kept theirs. Rickon's has died and Rickon probably will too.

Summer has now died, at the same time that Bran's last tie to Winterfell and the Stark name has died. In effect the death of Summer being the rebirth of Bran as something else that's not a Stark.

Ghost is still alive as Jon never lost his connection to his roots even though both he and Ghost were already the outcasts of the litter.

Just a theory. But with GRRM it could equally all just be "sh1t happens, wolves die".

Conall Cernach · 26-05-2016 12:41PM

seamus wrote: »

I have a feeling there's supposed to be some kind of meaning to the direwolves. That so long as each direwolf is alive, it's owner remains connected to Ned Stark.

Sansa's was the first to die after she had already started fawning over Joffery and effectively discarded her family. Arya's was sent away and became lost, and it was roughly at that time that Arya became "lost". Always a Stark, but she never had a place to fit, and she ran away. Robb's obviously died with him. Bran and Rickon kept theirs. Rickon's has died and Rickon probably will too.

Summer has now died, at the same time that Bran's last tie to Winterfell and the Stark name has died. In effect the death of Summer being the rebirth of Bran as something else that's not a Stark.

Ghost is still alive as Jon never lost his connection to his roots even though both he and Ghost were already the outcasts of the litter.

Just a theory. But with GRRM it could equally all just be "sh1t happens, wolves die".

Perhaps Summer was killed off to encourage Bran to expand his warging skills, like with dragons say. Maybe now he will miss the companionship of warging into Summer (and Hodor) and want to find a similar relationship elsewhere.

IvySlayer · 26-05-2016 01:15PM

tharmor wrote: »

Why everyone thinks Hodor is dead ? They did not show him dying !!

Yes he's hiding under a dumpster

screamer · 26-05-2016 02:38PM

You could be right seamas. It's hard to know I really thought that the wolves would have more of a role in the whole scheme of things than they've had.
Hodor and summer are dead for sure it some sort of zombie versions of themselves.
Why did the wights kill the children of the forest? They created the walkers yet lived in fear of them hiding away. Seems stupid to replace one enemy with another...

ohnonotgmail · 26-05-2016 02:40PM

screamer wrote: »

You could be right seamas. It's hard to know I really thought that the wolves would have more of a role in the whole scheme of things than they've had.
Hodor and summer are dead for sure it some sort of zombie versions of themselves.
Why did the wights kill the children of the forest? They created the walkers yet lived in fear of them hiding away. Seems stupid to replace one enemy with another...

Is that not a common enough theme where one side creates a monster to fight their enemies and then finds that they cannot control it and the monster turns on them?

DeVore · 26-05-2016 02:50PM

If I was a human who had been turned into a wight by a weird forest-thing pushing dragon glass into my chest while I was alive... I'd be pretty peeved too. I think I'd want some revenge on them!

kunst nugget · 26-05-2016 02:55PM

screamer wrote: »

Seems stupid to replace one enemy with another...

Sounds like American foreign policy tbh.

quad_red · 26-05-2016 04:01PM

screamer wrote: »

You could be right seamas. It's hard to know I really thought that the wolves would have more of a role in the whole scheme of things than they've had.
Hodor and summer are dead for sure it some sort of zombie versions of themselves.
Why did the wights kill the children of the forest? They created the walkers yet lived in fear of them hiding away. Seems stupid to replace one enemy with another...

The extras from the blu rays go into allot of detail about how utterly brutal the First Men were when they arrived in Westeros. They slaughtered the children of the forest, cut down the forests etc. Before this the Children had lived for a 'thousand thousand years' peacefully etc.

The First Men were a genocidal threat to the Children. The First Men were far more numerous than the children and utilised seemingly infinite amounts of metal weapons.

The white walkers were an attempt to create ruthless force to hold the First Men back. What the latest updates don't make clear is whether the children created the White Walkers with the ability to make wights or whether they developed that themselves.

If that's the case then a limited number of powerful warriors against whom the First Men's weapons were useless sounds like a good idea. As opposed to innumerable hoards of undead zombies.

TCDStudent1 · 26-05-2016 05:15PM

seamus wrote: »

I have a feeling there's supposed to be some kind of meaning to the direwolves. That so long as each direwolf is alive, it's owner remains connected to Ned Stark.

Sansa's was the first to die after she had already started fawning over Joffery and effectively discarded her family. Arya's was sent away and became lost, and it was roughly at that time that Arya became "lost". Always a Stark, but she never had a place to fit, and she ran away. Robb's obviously died with him. Bran and Rickon kept theirs. Rickon's has died and Rickon probably will too.

Summer has now died, at the same time that Bran's last tie to Winterfell and the Stark name has died. In effect the death of Summer being the rebirth of Bran as something else that's not a Stark.

Ghost is still alive as Jon never lost his connection to his roots even though both he and Ghost were already the outcasts of the litter.

Just a theory. But with GRRM it could equally all just be "sh1t happens, wolves die".

Good theory although I feel it's difficult to definitely say that bran has forgot his roots while Jon has not. Jon willingly left winterfell which bran did not. But yeah, interesting theory!

pickarooney · 26-05-2016 06:24PM

Where are Mereen and them in relation to the wall and castle black?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 26-05-2016 06:28PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Where are Mereen and them in relation to the wall and castle black?

Ages away, kings landing is far south of them and then Meereen is east from that across the narrow sea, different land mass altogether

pickarooney · 26-05-2016 06:43PM

Kaya Worried Sheet wrote: »

Ages away, kings landing is far south of them and then Meereen is east from that across the narrow sea, different land mass altogether

Sorry, I meant Meera! And Bran

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 26-05-2016 06:53PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Sorry, I meant Meera! And Bran

Was thinking it was a weird question...

They're still pretty far though, think I remember jojen making some comment about 'we'll have to go further north than anyone's ever been'. And it seems like the children of the forest and the three eyed crow wouldn't be too near where the wildlings lived

screamer · 26-05-2016 08:15PM

Bran better be able to warg into something big and strong to protect and transport him. Meera will not be able to drag him all the way back to the wall.

extra gravy · 26-05-2016 08:35PM

screamer wrote: »

Bran better be able to warg into something big and strong to protect and transport him. Meera will not be able to drag him all the way back to the wall.

Like a dragon maybe? Hmm...

tharmor · 26-05-2016 08:57PM

IvySlayer wrote:

Yes he's hiding under a dumpster

Let's discuss when he returns ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚...from the dumpster lol

screamer · 27-05-2016 08:10AM

extra gravy wrote: »

Like a dragon maybe? Hmm...

Well it'd be handy. Drogon is AWOL isn't he? Maybe he's up north of the wall having some chillout time. Bran has a better chance of getting him under control than the mother of uncontrollable dragons.......

seamus · 27-05-2016 08:22AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Sorry, I meant Meera! And Bran

It can be hard to tell distances when TV doesn't tend to show the passage of time.

The last we knew of the White King he met Jon at Hardholme and was southbound for the Wall. Then he encounters Bran warging and the next day he brings an army down on top of Bran.
So either Bran isn't nearly as far North as it appears, or several weeks passed between the encounter with the Whites and the seige.

There's an interactive map here that's interesting:
http://quartermaester.info/

Lets you see the paths of individual characters and choose to see the paths according to the books or the TV show. No Spoilers.

Shows Bran being way North

Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Non book readers"

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