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VirginMedia@360M - Compal Modem / Hub 3.0

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  • #212
    capailldubh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭capailldubh


    I have a Technicolor 7200 that I bridged. It was reset by the powers that be and lost its bridge capability. I ordered the 360 service today.
    My question is, if I bridge the new 360 router to modem only, will my old WNDR3800 be any use? I am not sure if it will be able to handle the speed.
    This is it, https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3800
    I have ports forwarded for cctv cameras and FR24 feeding in the Netgear so it would be handy to just use it as I am familiar with UI. Any advice would be great.
    Could the router be converted without a speed penalty to a switch or wifi extender?


  • #213
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    capailldubh wrote: »
    I have a Technicolor 7200 that I bridged. It was reset by the powers that be and lost its bridge capability. I ordered the 360 service today.
    My question is, if I bridge the new 360 router to modem only, will my old WNDR3800 be any use? I am not sure if it will be able to handle the speed.
    This is it, https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3800
    I have ports forwarded for cctv cameras and FR24 feeding in the Netgear so it would be handy to just use it as I am familiar with UI. Any advice would be great.
    Could the router be converted without a speed penalty to a switch or wifi extender?

    You'll have a small bottleneck, nothing I'd be worried about. Wireless performance will be lower than a comparable .11AC unit though.
    Routing throughput running the latest V1.0.0.19-DNS firmware and our router test process measured 335 Mbps WAN to LAN, 363 Mbps LAN to WAN and 398 Mbps total with up and down tests running simultaneously.


  • #214
    capailldubh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭capailldubh


    Thanks ED
    I have the whole place wired with cat5e. Only wireless would be phone and tablet.
    I will give it a shot bridged and hopefully all will be good.
    At least you can bridge the new router easily.


  • #215
    Alan3002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Alan3002


    Hey guys I'm going to order 360mb broadband and I'm thinking about enabling bridge mode when the compal router arrives.

    I'm currently bridged to my Archer C7. Is the C7 still better than this one? Thanks!

    EDIT: Compal seems pretty hit or miss from this thread.


  • #216
    dublinercheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭dublinercheese


    Alan3002 wrote: »
    Hey guys I'm going to order 360mb broadband and I'm thinking about enabling bridge mode when the compal router arrives.

    I'm currently bridged to my Archer C7. Is the C7 still better than this one? Thanks!

    EDIT: Compal seems pretty hit or miss from this thread.

    Definitely. Do yourself a favor and enable bridge mode with a proper router. See my impressions here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98440367&postcount=94

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98457278&postcount=103


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  • #217
    Alan3002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Alan3002


    When I throw this into modem mode I can't seem to access it anymore. I'm hooked into it and running an ipconfig gives me a strange gateway that starts with 256 (can't remember exactly what the gateway was) and trying to browse to it results in a timeout.

    Is this normal behavior for anyone else?

    EDIT: Ah. 192.168.100.1 apparently.


  • #218
    mass_debater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭mass_debater


    Alan3002 wrote: »
    When I throw this into modem mode I can't seem to access it anymore. I'm hooked into it and running an ipconfig gives me a strange gateway that starts with 256 (can't remember exactly what the gateway was) and trying to browse to it results in a timeout.

    Is this normal behavior for anyone else?

    EDIT: Ah. 192.168.100.1 apparently.

    If it's in modem only mode it'll not be giving out an ip as dhcp will not be enabled, you'll be getting a public ip


  • #219
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    mass_debater wrote: »
    If it's in modem only mode it'll not be giving out an ip as dhcp will not be enabled, you'll be getting a public ip

    Technically DHCP is on, its just working in a public ip space. Rest is identical.

    100.x is convention for bridged IP(or one of the RFCs).


  • #220
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Alan3002 wrote: »
    When I throw this into modem mode I can't seem to access it anymore. I'm hooked into it and running an ipconfig gives me a strange gateway that starts with 256 (can't remember exactly what the gateway was) and trying to browse to it results in a timeout.

    Is this normal behavior for anyone else?

    EDIT: Ah. 192.168.100.1 apparently.

    You don't want a machine with a public IP, its very dangerous.


  • #221
    paulboland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭paulboland


    New Software update this morning
    Router software version is now CH7465LG-NCIP-4.50.18.20-3-NOSH

    The previous software version was 4.50.18.16

    I love to know what the new firmware 4.50.18.20-3 has fixed or what improvements it has


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  • #222
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    paulboland wrote: »
    New Software update this morning
    Router software version is now CH7465LG-NCIP-4.50.18.20-3-NOSH

    The previous software version was 4.50.18.16

    I love to know what the new firmware 4.50.18.20-3 has fixed or what improvements it has

    Think it was mentioned on the Talk2 that the newer FW had UI fixes for the sluggish response. We're late getting it after the rest of the LG networks.


  • #223
    Pepes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Pepes


    paulboland wrote: »
    Do you notice regular T3 Times outs in the Compal Upstream Bonded Channels and Network Log

    I have noticed after all 4 upstream channels have T3 Times Outs usually after around 1-2 weeks
    You get an issue with speedtest.net and get a socket-download01 - title' error

    In Czech republic we have same problem and they think that it was only my temporary failure and i told them that also others customers point it out on their FB page.

    What I miss on Compal firmware:
    - They didn't support Jumbo frames (MTU is limited to 1500)
    - In Bridge mode you can't use Compal's wifi or even just put WiFi's to bridge mode
    - In Administration, while it is in bridge mode you can use tool for network diagnostics, but its not working. See this: ctrlv.cz/shots/2016/05/26/ZvMO.png

    My firmware version is: CH7465LG-NCIP-4.50.18.20-NOSH


  • #224
    john the one
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭john the one


    Can you change the name of your Router?


  • #225
    AH92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭AH92


    Hey guys, currently using the Compal 360mb modem instead of my Asus nt66u and through a Netgear Ac1200 usb hooked up to my desktop I was originally getting 200mb on speedtest via 5ghz for the last few weeks consistently. Suddenly since last week though the speed has dipped down to 60 mb max now whenever I test it now and I am not sure what could be the cause of it. My desktop is currently up in the attic but signal strength is strong.


  • #226
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Pepes wrote: »
    - In Administration, while it is in bridge mode you can use tool for network diagnostics, but its not working. See this: ctrlv.cz/shots/2016/05/26/ZvMO.png

    Thats kind of expected as its no longer on the public internet.


  • #227
    Pepes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Pepes


    I don't think it's expected, because configure wifi and also modify Guest network are gray (not available), but tool for network diagnostics is blue :)


  • #228
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't see why you'd want to use the WiFi in bridge mode. It's very dangerous to have a client device directly connected to the internet without proper safeguards in place.


  • #229
    Pepes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Pepes


    "In Wi-Fi networking, bridge mode allows two or more wireless APs to communicate with each and join their respective local networks together" from compnetworking.about.com/cs/wirelessproducts/f/apbridgingmode.htm or cnet.com/how-to/reuse-an-old-router-to-bridge-devices-to-your-wireless-network/


  • #230
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's a different bridge mode.

    The bridge mode on the Virgin router is WAN bridging, which disables all routing and turns it into a basic modem.


  • #231
    Pepes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Pepes


    Oh.. now I understood what you mean.

    It's because we can buy Compal and it will be in our property, so I would like to use AC wifi, because my router have only 5 GHz N and it has really better opinions than provided modem from Liberty Global (UPC,Virgin, etc) It's complicated. I have my modem behind router's NAT. I would like to have better signal strength, which I can't have. So that's why I want atleast WiFi bridge mode

    Because the firmware what we have is very primitive or should i say useless?


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  • #232
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Pepes wrote: »
    It's because we can buy Compal and it will be in our property,

    But you don't buy the Compal, it remains the property of Virgin Media and you are simply renting it from them.
    Pepes wrote: »
    so I would like to use AC wifi, because my router have only 5 GHz N and it has really better opinions than provided modem from Liberty Global (UPC,Virgin, etc) It's complicated. I have my modem behind router's NAT. I would like to have better signal strength, which I can't have. So that's why I want atleast WiFi bridge mode

    Because the firmware what we have is very primitive or should i say useless?

    The Compal firmware is perfectly fine for the vast majority of their customers, which is what an ISP supplied router is meant to be, simple and just works.

    At least now they offer pure bridging mode for more advanced users, which is really what most advanced users want, basically turn the ISP supplied router into a dumb modem so that they can use all the more power user features on their own router.

    Frankly what you are looking for just doesn't make any sense for them to enable. Just go buy an AC router on amazon for €50 and be done with it.


  • #233
    Pepes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Pepes


    bk wrote: »
    Pepes wrote: »
    It's because we can buy Compal and it will be in our property,

    But you don't buy the Compal, it remains the property of Virgin Media and you are simply renting it from them.

    Sorry, I should mention again (post #223) that we can buy (or rent) Compal in Czech. So then doesn't make sense to buy 2x router. Why you couldn't have just two APs , which will be bridged?
    Other ISPs in foreign country let you buy Eurodocsis modem what you want
    bk wrote: »
    The Compal firmware is perfectly fine for the vast majority of their customers, which is what an ISP supplied router is meant to be, simple and just works.

    I can't agree with you. They can improve their firmware. That's I want - giving them hints. Couldn't I? It's not open-source and even we can't give it there OpenWRT,DD-WRT,etc. And also another member of this forum said:
    dublinercheese wrote: »
    Firmware: it's extremely basic. || Modem/bridge Mode: Again, nothing fancy here.




    I think normal firmware and not modified from UPC have more options and renting price is included in service, so.. It can be better, right?

    My friend told me that it will be better use Compal as switch and it will be nice to have WiFi bridge as I mention it.

    Router which cost 50e is something like Xiaomi Router 3, but it doesnt have 1 Gbits ports, so it useless for us. AC router cost like 250e (Turris Omnia - which is opensource and you can upgrade WiFi cards like you want and also it has so many opinions)
    bk wrote: »
    At least now they offer pure bridging mode for more advanced users

    We have also this on Cisco EPC3208/EPC3925 and Technicolor TC7200 (even this modem have more opinions than Compal). Why you won't use wireless, when the device have it? It doesn't make sense for me.


  • #234
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,461 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Because you can get better wifi using your own router.

    Historically they don't fix the issues their routers. You can only get this half decent router on the top package. Everyone else has the old routers.


  • #235
    Pepes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Pepes


    We will see. They must fix T3 timeout (speedtest download file) as someone mention here that he has same issue like me :)


  • #236
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Pepes wrote: »
    Sorry, I should mention again (post #223) that we can buy (or rent) Compal in Czech. So then doesn't make sense to buy 2x router. Why you couldn't have just two APs , which will be bridged?

    Sorry I missed the fact that you are in Czech, we can't buy them here in Ireland, they just come "free" as part of your monthly fee.

    It doesn't make sense trying to use two AP's like this as it just adds a great deal of extra complexity that typically is way more trouble then it is worth.

    For instance, you end up with issues of double natting and possibly the two wireless AP's wirelessly interfering with one another. All issues you can easily avoid and end up with a much better experience by simply buying a cheap AC router.
    Pepes wrote: »
    My friend told me that it will be better use Compal as switch and it will be nice to have WiFi bridge as I mention it.

    Sorry, your friend is wrong.

    The best setup is to put the Compal into bridge mode and connect a good quality AC router to the Compal. Have nothing else connected to the Compal, use it as a simple modem. Instead use the AC routers DHCP server and have all devices connected to the AC's routers wifi or wired ports.

    This avoid issues with double nat, wireless interference between the two wireless APs and ensures that all your devices are on the same network.

    Pepes wrote: »
    Router which cost 50e is something like Xiaomi Router 3, but it doesnt have 1 Gbits ports, so it useless for us. AC router cost like 250e (Turris Omnia - which is opensource and you can upgrade WiFi cards like you want and also it has so many opinions)

    TP-LINK Archer C2 AC750 (includes 4 Gigabit ports) - £40 about €52:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-C2-Wireless-Gigabit-Storage/dp/B00K0MJ8DS/ref=pd_cp_147_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=TXNWZRRFA7A062H6S587

    Though if you can stretch to a little more, I highly recommend the following one:

    TP-LINK ARCHER C8 - £65 (about €85):
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-ARCHER-C8-Wireless-Gigabit/dp/B00OZG8ZDO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1464675731&sr=8-2&keywords=tp-link+archer

    Get one of these, in particular the second one and you will have a way better setup and much easier life.

    If you don't have the money to buy one of these, then I'd recommend simply using the Compal and not bothering with using a separate N router in bridge mode. I'm honestly not sure you will get better performance from using your N router then you would get from simply sticking to the Compal. Not unless you are doing DyDNS or some other advanced feature like that.


  • #237
    bloodyhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭bloodyhawk


    Just got the new modem this morning, but the DMZ and Port forwarding settings are missing from my model? does anyone know why that is?


  • #238
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    bloodyhawk wrote: »
    Just got the new modem this morning, but the DMZ and Port forwarding settings are missing from my model? does anyone know why that is?

    Because these services are not offered by VirginMedia.

    The only way you can get this, is to out the hub into modem mode and use your own router and crucially contact VirginMedia to get you off DS-Light and back onto IPV4 because with DS-Light those won't work correctly.


  • #239
    bloodyhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭bloodyhawk


    Yggr of Asgard wrote: »
    Because these services are not offered by VirginMedia.

    The only way you can get this, is to out the hub into modem mode and use your own router and crucially contact VirginMedia to get you off DS-Light and back onto IPV4 because with DS-Light those won't work correctly.

    Oh, so was that it, like? I spent countless of hours trying to figure out why the modem mode wasn't working properly. I literally couldn't do anything but access just handful of websites my own router wasn't working either nor were the gaming consoles. Did my head in, honestly...

    Thanks though @Asgard. I have contacted VM: REPS i'll definitely make sure to mention the DS-LIGHT issue, :)


  • #240
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bloodyhawk wrote: »
    Oh, so was that it, like? I spent countless of hours trying to figure out why the modem mode wasn't working properly. I literally couldn't do anything but access just handful of websites my own router wasn't working either nor were the gaming consoles. Did my head in, honestly...

    Thanks though @Asgard. I have contacted VM: REPS i'll definitely make sure to mention the DS-LIGHT issue, :)
    The reason for this is that you can only access IPv6 sites in bridge mode with DS-Lite enabled, unless you set up your own router for DS-Lite. But you're much better off getting it disabled anyway.


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  • #241
    bloodyhawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭bloodyhawk


    Thank you lads!!! :D


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